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4 Articles on Gaming and Gambling in Malaysia – reposted by @AgreeToDisagree – 5th February 2012

In amendments to law needed, gambling, gaming, Malaysia, neutral spaces, non-Muslim rights, non-Muslim Rights in a Muslim country, social freedoms, spirit of the law on February 4, 2012 at 8:28 pm

ARTICLE 1

3-day suspension for DAP Kesidang assemblyman Written by  Malaysia Chronicle

MELAKA – The State Legislative Assembly sitting today saw the three-day suspension of Kesidang assemblyman Goh Leong San for failing to adhere to the Standing Order while debating on the issue of illegal gambling machines in the state.

Speaker Datuk Wira Othman Muhamad approved the motion tabled by Chief Minister Datuk Mohd Ali Rustam for Goh to be suspended for three days as provided under the assembly’s Standing Order, Clause 31 (1) and (2) and 34 (3).

It states that an assemblyman can be suspended from taking part in the assembly sitting if he refuses to sit down and stop speaking or does not heed the Speaker’s order.

The issue began when state Housing, Local Government and Environment Committee chairman Datuk Md Yunos Husin, when answering a supplementary question from Goh, said they could not restrict gambling machines as gambling was part of Chinese culture.

Goh, who is also Melaka DAP chairman, was not satisfied with the answer and asked the Ayer Molek assemblymen to retract his statement about gambling being part of Chinese culture, which was ignored by Md Yunos.

Two government backbenchers, Datuk Hassan Abdul Rahman (BN-Sungai Rambai) and Datuk Yaakub Md Amin (BN-Sungai Udang), who is also the government chief whip, told the Speaker to ignore Goh and asked for the Kesidang assemblyman to be suspended for refusing to sit after being told do so.

Goh, in the original question, asked about the state government and police’s stand on illegal gambling machines, to which Md Yunos replied that the Melaka government did not issue licences for gambling machines.

Instead, he said, the gambling machine licences were issued by the federal government through the Finance Ministry.

Following the argument between Goh and the backbenchers, the assembly sitting took a 10-minute break after which Mohd Ali suggested Goh’s suspension.

The Chief Minister’s motion received the support of the majority of the assembly, which comprises 23 assemblymen from BN and five from DAP.

Speaking to reporters outside the assembly hall, Mohd Ali said he was disappointed by the DAP member’s refusal to sit down and to stop debating the issue despite being ordered by the Speaker.

“The issue was over terminology but as we generally know, the Chinese love to gamble and it’s part of their culture, and there are also Malays who gamble but they can be charged under Syariah law,” he said.

Goh, when met by reporters, expressed his disappointment by Md Yunos’ choice of words, describing it as an insult to the Chinese.

“I only asked him (Md Yunus) to withdraw his words about gambling being a Chinese culture because it is inaccurate, that’s all,” he said.

The sitting will resume tomorrow and Wednesday.

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Goh Leong San is right to fight for the right for Chinese to play mere games with their own money. Which Malay or Muslim  has the right to deny how one entertains oneself?

It is INDEED Chinese culture though those who gamble and lose excessively are not respectable either. But to be told to sit down when asking for a Human Right is very rude and almost a confirmation of racism if not a fundamentalistic sense of morality and desire to impose it on others not even of their own race.

Casinos should be allowed in their full glory IMHO but with the below listed precautions :

1) There should be a limit on what one can lose at a casino. I suggest no more than 30% be the legal limit. The casino will check the salary pay slip at the entrance before entry and when the paton’s limit is reached, he will he ushered out.

2) The other entry will be for jobless persons will not be allowed to gamble unless they produce savings book or whatever. For the ‘idle rich’ (jobless but wealthy) 30% also applies but since they have no salary, they can only lose 30% of their wealth PER YEAR meaning they will be barred from entry upon reaching the limit for the rest of the year.

3) In no instance will a Muslim be allowed into the establishment.

So who has a right to to prevent the Chinese from gambling? In principle this is no different from the Chinese asking for Abbatoirs for Pork, or manufacturing facilities for products like Deli foods,

I hope to see this gambling issue brought up again and for any and all Chinese who do understand the right to gamble or legalise may not be curtailed by any person who does not use the same services as well.

Good work Goh Leong San! And I believe that your suspension is illegal and should be challenged, with a demand that the Speaker be remved from his post to be replaced by a more racially sensitive or vice-unbiased person.

ARTICLE 2

13 arrested for online gambling Bernama Wednesday, July 13th, 2011 00:27:00

KUALA LUMPUR: Police arrested 13 people and seized 54 computers and 41 slot machines in a raid at a shopping mall in Ampang tonight.

Raiding party leader DSP Mohamed Mokhsein Mohamed Zain said the 13, aged 19 to 50 years-old, were arrested in the raid on three premises at about 9.30pm.

He said they were busy playing computer games in the premises when police pounced on them.

The premises operate 24 hours under the guise of internet cafes and family entertainment centres.

“The premises are also equipped with closed-circuit television (CCTV) to control customer traffic,” he told reporters at the raid location.

The case is investigated under Section 4B (A) Common Gaming Houses Act 1952.

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Section 4B (A) Common Gaming Houses Act 1952 is outdated. I will not challenge that the law was not broken, HOWEVER, the government should understand that no adult person is going to let you tell them they cannot play cards with their friends in a public place of their choice and to act in considerate manner by at least leaving them alone. The law in this case is insulting and unreasonable as 4D which is ALSO real gambling and really quite dull, (not fun like dice, dominos, cards or jackpot, and just as costly) is EVERYWHERE.

Instead of sneaking around breaking the law, I ask that all non-Muslims (typically minority peoples) be allowed to gamble with REAL cards and dice or jackpot machine in commercial areas via legalisation and to prepare to sign a petition that allows 4D outlet licences to be used for either 4D or cards and jackpot. There is no difference in fact, so it is time BN started thinking about how to stop irritating the minority populations by denying them their gambling entertainment on basis of semantics and technicalities while continmung APARTHEID. 4D and cards or jackpot or roulette are just as expensive.

Use my suggestion of limited losses though (i.e. 30% maximum losses allowed against a salary payslip or savings account check before a patron is allowed to play) , and this is where legislation could be invasive.

Otherwise, don’t even say it is not part of non-Muslim culture and even dare to suspend MPs like Goh Leong San raising valid issues. BN should know that at funeral wakes, just to name an instance, Chinese do gamble and also during New Year as well. You cannot pretend it is not part of their culture and suspend an MP for demanding what is a non-Muslim right. So whats the deal about 4D being allowed but not cards, dominos, dice, roulettes and jackpots? If you don’t gamble as a Muslim fine, but don’t try to dictate what kind of gambling is allowed to non-Muslims. it is their right as free humans on a free planet, barring reasonable zoning restrictions or proximity to religious establishments.

If anything this is just about oppression of the Chinese or being rude to them and other non-Muslims who gamble. Who cares if they gamble? This is akin to disallowing of eating of pork or drinking of alcohol. 4D is fine, but everything else is also gambling, whats the problem with BN? Time to vote for MPs or a political coalition with COMMON SENSE and sensitivity to other races.

To protect non-Muslims, there should be a limit on what one can lose at a casino. I suggest no more than 30% be the legal limit. The casino will check the salary pay slip at the entrance before entry and when the paton’s limit is reached, he will he ushered out. The other entry will be for jobless persons will not be allowed to gamble unless they produce savings book or whatever. Even for them 30% also applies but since they have no salary, they can only lose 30% of their wealth PER YEAR meaning they will be barred from entry upon reaching the limit for the rest of the year.

Mob-rule applied by Muslims upon non-Muslims is no rule at all (i.e. lawlessness) if it does not make accommodate the large number of 4D gamblers here. Would it be harmful with the controls I have suggested then? People may not control themselves but the loss of this form and atmosphere of entertainment will be quite missed, and as mentioned no more costly than 4D gambling which is already legal. Do you think it possible to allow so-called dhimmi citizens alongside Muslims to coexist? Would you tolerate the presence of other faiths withoput resorting to proselytization in respect of their cultures?

ARTICLE 3

60 Muslims caught for gambling in Rembau February 04, 2012

REMBAU, Feb 4 – Authorities nabbed 60 Muslim customers at a computerised gambling outlet near Taboh Naning here early this morning. According to a Bernama report, 41 computers and RM6,000 in cash were also seized in the raid.

Negeri Sembilan Islamic Religious Affairs Department operations unit chief Ahmad Zaki Hamzah said those detained were aged between 20 and 60.

“They were taken to the Rembau district police headquarters to have their statements taken. They were then released on bail and will have to return on a specified date to help in investigation,” he said after the raid.

Ahmad Zaki said they would be charged under Section 79 (a) of the Negri Sembilan Syariah Criminal Enactment 2004 which carries a RM3,000 fine or two years jail or both.

Members of the Negeri Sembilan National Security Council and the police also took part in the operation which ended at 5am.

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No issues with this nabbing of offenders to vows not to gamble. However, are some of these these Muslims denied rights to apostasy because they were brought up without a choice or a chance to have a choice? In which case, they could have been indirectly forced to remain Muslims from the sheer bias and machinery of the state sponsored religion, and thus should appeal the judgnment on any punishment based on the extreme treatment towards change of faith or creating hostile conditions to those wanting renunciation from Islam. By disallowing Article 18 of the UNHCR issue to them and the subsequent repressive measures or threat of the same, the judgment or nabbing could very well be illegal and unconstitutional as Malaysia is a signatory of the UNHCR. Any Muslim civil lawyers and ulamas up to the task of civilising on this very difficult but doubtless high profile issue?

UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS

Article 18.

  • Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.

ARTICLE 4

Outrage as former drug addict Robbie Williams launches online poker site – by Lucy Buckland – Last updated at 9:27 AM on 4th February 2012

He is no Angel, but former drug addict Robbie Williams has enraged fans once again by launching an online poker site.

Anti-gambling campaigners also slated the Take That singer for launching the website claiming the 37-year-old would be raking in the cash from vulnerable addicts.

The site, which is set to launch this year, claims the main focus is having ‘fun’ but some of the games do cost money.
Sing when your winning: Anti-gambling campaigners have blasted Robbie Williams for launching a poker site

Sing when your winning: Anti-gambling campaigners have blasted Robbie Williams for launching a poker site

Liberal Democrat MP Tessa Munt said it was disgraceful the star was making money from addicts – seeing as the singer was once famously addicted to antidepressants.

She told The Daily Mirror: ‘I’m outraged by this. It directly targets his fans, including children. The money he makes should go to addiction charities.’

Even his own fans turned against him with one writing on his official website: ‘Taking advantage of vulnerable people for financial gain does not sit right with me.’
Poker face: Robbie Williams claims the site is about ‘having fun’ not making money

Poker face: Robbie Williams claims the site is about ‘having fun’ not making money
Back in the day: Robbie Williams said he bucked under the pressure after leaving Take That and turned to drugs

Back in the day: Robbie Williams said he bucked under the pressure after leaving Take That and turned to drugs

Another said: ‘I thought Robbie understood addiction. Wonder how many families this will ruin?’

A spokesman for Robbie said the plan was still in its very early stages and denied the star’s intention was to make money.

Williams, who tied the knot with U.S. actress Ayda Field in August 2010, famously checked himself into rehab in February 2007 after he said ‘death came knocking.’
Robbie Williams with girlfriend Ayda Field

Saved: Robbie Williams claims wife Ayda Field rescued him from his addiction

Later it emerged the Rock DJ singer had been battling a serious addiction

At the time he said: ‘I have a self-destructive character but does this hold me back from being happy? No.’

He credited his now wife with helping him battle the addiction.
Back together: Take That (L-R) Gary Barlow, Jason Orange, Mark Owen, Howard Donald and Robbie Williams perform for the first time in 15 years as a five-piece

Back together: Take That (L-R) Gary Barlow, Jason Orange, Mark Owen, Howard Donald and Robbie Williams reunited in 2010

Enlarge   The Robbie Williams show? Some fans have criticised Robbie’s prominence in the band since his return

Performance: Robbie Williams performs with Take That after battling his demons

He said: ‘She didn’t try to change me and, just like that, she changed me for the better.

‘I’m in love with someone who returns this love as strongly. I’ve never experienced that. That’s what makes me so careful in this relationship. I don’t want to hurt Ayda.’

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Nothing to do with REAL LIVE gambling in Malaysia or anywhere else in the world, but just some comic relief to show that even Westerners these days don’t know what is real and what is fake. After a decade or 2 of copycating, Robbie delves into the more fakeness. Look, if one can’t feel the gambling chips, hold actual cards and throw actual dice, it’s not gambling but electronic masturbation. The keyword here is REAL an LIVE. Actual gambling is bad enough, but online gambling is complete b.s. also especially when the odds can be shifted at the touche or a cursor to decide who wins or loses. Amend those laws morons!

On Jan 27 2012, a Melaka Historical City Council enforcement assistant, Azizan Abbas, 26, and four of his colleagues were injured after being assaulted by about 30 men while carrying out an operation against illegal internet gambling activities at Taman Sri Duyong, here. Just legalise and stop wasting time and energy for what is a human right.

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