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3 Articles on Malaysian Politics – Debates, Journo-relayed one-upmanship (sympathies to Ibrahim Ali here, but because of racism, Ali’s locus standi is not even valid to debate by) and PPP’s lapdoggery and irrelevance to REAL voters – reposted by @AgreeToDisagree – 21st February 2012

In Apartheid, Law, Malaysia, voting methods, voting strategy on February 20, 2012 at 8:12 pm

ARTICLE 1

No Benefit In Debate Between Races – Tuesday, 21 February 2012 00:12

PUTRAJAYA — Former prime minister Dr Mahathir Mohamad said debates between the races will not bring any benefit because each race will continue to hold on to their own stand.

“Even if we have it (debate between the races), there will not be any impact. It will make the situation worse, each race will hold on to their own stand,” he said.

He said this when approached after attending a closed-door meeting with the right-wing group, Perkasa, at the Perdana Leadership Foundation, here on Monday afternoon.

Mahathir said his meeting with Perkasa today was to discuss various issues pertaining to the Malay race, besides presenting various problems being faced by the community including factionalism.

Meanwhile, responding to a question, Mahathir said there was no need to hold a debate (involving the Prime Minister) with the opposition head, Anwar Ibrahim as Anwar’s stand on many issues was already known to all.

“He is everything to everybody, he is a chameleon, he changes colour everytime. When he is with the Indian he is Indian, when he is with Muslims he will give talks about Islam. All they are fighting for is to make him a Prime Minister that’s all,” he said.

Meanwhile, Perkasa president Ibrahim Ali said the party’s legal bureau was studying the possibility of suing Penang Chief Minister Lim Guan Eng for defamation for his statements during his debate with MCA president Dr Chua Soi Lek.

“During the debate, he (Lim) had mentioned about Perkasa having a relationship with the MCA and that purportedly Perkasa would create chaos.

“So we are looking at his video (debate) many, many times and I instructed the Perkasa lawyers to study from the legal aspect to sue Lim Guan Eng because we cannot allow him to continue making the allegations,” he said.

He said Lim’s allegations were baseless because Perkasa had never held any illegal assembly.

Meanwhile, Ibrahim said he was now prepared to debate with Lim and the subject of the debate would be “Who is more racist, DAP or Perkasa” and “Who is more trouble maker Perkasa or DAP” and let the people judge.

(Bernama)

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Dr.Mahathir does not want people to discuss because the final conclusion will be that they will find Mahathir was responsible for most of the problems of the day mainly from corruption and cronyism-patronage culture. What does a medical doctor know about running a country anyway? We need discipline appropriate people or Malaysia is finished. Debates are important but only if the subjects address systemic problems caused by specific issues. Apartheid, corruption, nominally nepotism are serious problems. But most MPs turn the debate into a shouting match on useless issues, debates are beneficial, the subject choice too often though is irrelevant due to MP’s self serving agendas. They view Dewan as a big gambling table for their family members, the Rakyat should identify these types of MPs and dump the lot of them by GE13, otherwise run for election as independents, the Coalition/Party paradigm is a failure.

ARTICLE 2

Debate with me, Ibrahim Ali dares Guan Eng – UPDATED @ 08:42:11 PM 20-02-2012 – by Yow Hong Chieh – February 20, 2012

Ibrahim said DAP has unfairly tarred his Perkasa as a chauvinistic group. — File pic
PUTRAJAYA, Feb 20 — Datuk Ibrahim Ali challenged DAP secretary-general Lim Guan Eng today to a debate over which was more racist, the opposition party or Perkasa.

The leader of the Malay rights group said the debate was necessary to dispel misconceptions about Perkasa, which he said had been unfairly vilified as a chauvinistic group by DAP.

The debate could be conducted in Malay and English and should be broadcast live on television, Ibrahim said, adding that it must feature an independent moderator but no audience.

“I will produce the facts and figures, all the paper clippings, all the resolutions to prove that DAP is racist and out to make trouble,” he told reporters at the Perdana Leadership Foundation here.

“With the record with I’ve kept since the May 13 tragedy in 1969, I can put across to the public so that they remember how DAP has consistently played the political game, which, to us, is purely chauvinist and racist.”

The Pasir Mas MP was speaking after a closed-door meeting with former prime minister Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad on Malay issues.

Ibrahim added that Perkasa will sue Lim for allegedly defaming the group during the latter’s debate with MCA president Datuk Seri Dr Chua Soi Lek on Saturday.

Lim had repeated unfounded allegations that Perkasa was a group out to cause chaos, he charged.

“I have instructed Perkasa’s lawyers to study the video (of the debate) and we will sue Lim Guan Eng,” he said.

“We can’t allow him to continue making such accusations… He just wants to hide DAP’s racism by hurling accusations at others.”

Ibrahim said Perkasa will subpoena the Inspector-General of Police (IGP) to clarify whether the group was indeed racist, as claimed by Lim.

He pointed out that Perkasa had never broken any laws and was only fighting to safeguard the constitutional rights of the Malays, Bumiputeras and Muslims.

“We would like to go to court and settle this with Lim Guan Eng once and for all,” he said.

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Try this one you 2 old guys. How about ALL politicians who were present during 1969 be struck from the Dewan, and only politicians born AFTER 1970 be allowed to run for politics hereon? Our grandfathers whatever race who participated were violent and unreasonable then. This generation does not want to fight or believe in fundamentalism, how about letting the younger generation take over instead? Any born after 1969 did not participate in, nor provoke the riots, nor have any hand in the ‘social contract’ and hence has better credentials to run the country. As for Mahathir’s article, the OLDER generation who are inflexible and RACIST (believe APARTHEID laws and APARTHEID constitutional articles), will indeed hold on to their outdated and miserable pro-violence, inward-loking Asabiya communalism stands. The younger generation, at least those who have not committed to apartheid or benefited off apartheid, are uncorrupted and ready to press the reset button.

ARTICLE 3

PPP Gets ‘Green Light’ To Contest Seat In Melaka – Tuesday, 21 February 2012 00:14

KUALA LUMPUR – The People’s Progressive Party (PPP) has received ‘green light’ to contest a seat in Melaka for the first time at the general election.

Its president M.Kayveas said Chief Minister Mohd Ali Rustam and MCA president Dr Chua Soi Lek had agreed to hand Kota Laksamana state seat to PPP.

He said MCA’s decision to give up the seat showed Barisan Nasional (BN) unity where winnable candidates from other component parties are given the chance to contest.

“This is the Barisan Nasional strategy. Previously, seats alloted to a party were rarely given to others but things have changed,” he told reporters after chairing the PPP supreme council meeting here on Monday.

Betty Chew of DAP won Kota Laksamana with a majority of 3,642 votes at 2008 general election, beating Lim Eng Teck of BN.

Kayveas said the candidate for Kota Laksamana seat will be decided by Prime Minister Najib Tun Razak.

(Bernama)

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Right to contest means nothing. A one man independent unknown candidate can run for ANY constituency without permission from anyone. If PPP believes in continuing apartheid, PPP will lose wherever PPP contests, if PPP needs permission to run for candidacy, then PPP has even less autonomy than a one man show independent candidate who will endorse with intention to grant :

1) Freedom from Apartheid/Fascism
2) Freedom from Religious-Persecution/Religious-Supremacy.
3) Equality for all ethnicities and faiths in all aspects of policy, Law and Constitution. . . . amongst other things.

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