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17 Various Articles on Social Freedoms and Techno-Fascism: Sex and Massage, Adult Industry Detailed, Obama’s Private Life None of Anyone’s Business, Education-Financial-Student Debt Complex, Increasingly Oppressive Societies, Dangerous Tech, Neurotech Satellite Wiifi Danger, Predictive Programming/Orwellian Monitoring Being Flaunted, Oppressive Car Modfication Laws and EU, Vampirism A 1% Luxury, When ‘Super Green’ is a somewhat ‘Faded Green’, Rape Cannot be Responded in With Manslaughter, Fast Food is 40% Fake Food, Immatured About Nipples, Inequitable Actions By Muslims, Nudist Warriors, The “Venture” School of Prostitution – reposted by @AgreeToDisagree – 17th September 2012

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ARTICLE 1

Thailand set to break massage world record – Todd Pitman, The Associated Press, Bangkok, Thailand | Body and Soul | Thu, August 30 2012, 9:08 AM – (AP/Richard Drew)

Thailand has long been known as the massage capital of the world. Now it’s going to prove it.

Some 800 masseuses in Bangkok were vying to make it into the Guinness World Records book on Thursday by mass-massaging 800 people simultaneously for 12 minutes, according to the Health Ministry, which was organizing the event to promote the Southeast Asian nation’s massage and spa industry to the world.

Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra was to preside over the spectacle at an arena in the capital, and a representative from Guinness World Records was also expected to attend.

If successful, the masseuses would more than triple the previous record — attained in Australia in 2010 — of 263 people being massaged at the same time for five minutes.

Although many of country’s massage parlors notoriously double as fronts for prostitution, many more are legitimate spas offering all kinds of treatments, from aromatherapy to foot rubs to Thai “traditional massage” — an ancient art offered at shops across Bangkok that is still practiced and taught at the city’s revered Wat Pho temple.

The Health Ministry estimated last week that the industry generated up to 30 billion Thai baht (nearly $1 billion) in revenue, state media reported.

Health Minister Wittaya Buranasiri has said he wants to see the industry bring in even more revenue. The National News Bureau of Thailand reported that the government “is aiming to make Thailand the world’s ultimate destination for massage, with plans to improve the quality of the workers, offer more massage classes to the public and set up a massage center in every hospital.”

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Sex is a form of massage. Except that an organ is being massaged by another organ. If muscles need massage, not inconceivable that ORGANS can and do need to be massaged. In fact the vaginal surface could be the superior ‘finger tip’ and the penis a ‘muscle’ (smooth). Western/Victorian ideas about sexuality have polluted esoteric massage and made what is natural (just an organ) into something bad or to be exploited by or where abuse is expected and normal outside of procreational use. Professional sex is NOT sex for love and should not be mixed up with morality or infidelity issues. If spouses have no skill and can only procreate, then they cannot fairly expect to satisfy or be expected to satisfy partners.

Also people have sex as much for health as for entertainment, the lasviciousness ‘problem’ being the ‘illness’ (actually spirituak energic ‘hunger’) that massage (of the penis by the vagina) releases. Stop feeling guilty guys, and underdstand that sex is normal, and that society’s ‘matrochial’ aspects of socialised mental illness or sexual manipulation by far less friendlier femi-nazis, is what typifies wives who withold or refuse to have sex. Just don’t pay more than minimum wage or what is reasonable for a fair (middle class) retirement to your sex worker/prostitute. Enough with the sexual politics, these so-called ‘sex workers’ and ‘prostitutes’ are HEALTH PROFESSIONALS that handle another sort of muscle (muscles when massaged give off chemicals, same with this ‘external’ organ . . . of which a certain distinguished friend of mine claimjed could lifet 50kg with proper taichi training . . . ), who have been needlessly stigmatized, and immatured/narrow society’s socio-political-manipulation ‘kissing in a tree’ attack mentality about sex is for unaware/unthinking citizens, children, uncivilised barbarians, and not even monkeys – adult monkeys at least which are frightfully human and surly as any adult human to boot.

The issue is most of society and even these HEALTH PROFESSIONALS (the simplified but stigmatized yet valid descriptor being “prostitutes”) have been infected by femi-nazi ideology or those intent on harming men by witholding sex (that is retaliated in by the less controlled in rapes, not that rapes are justifiable or better than witholding of sex which is why the ‘sexually able women’ can actually make a living off what is a leisurely activity . . . procreational sex.). Granted that the upper classes would prefer not to do this sort of work (and much like the love of ‘docking tails’ and ‘pricking ears’ or ‘neutering’ – did puss or pup give permission to so-called owners to REMOVE their nethers? . . . in animals which has been branded as cruel, the upper classes would expect a form of sanitised sexuality or expression of sexuality to be ‘the norm’, unfortunately, too much influence and too little emphasis on PRIVACY is the problem with virtually all ‘modern societies) , but this is a health related field/issue that cannot be ignored or only ignored at risk to the astral and ethereal and if too proud to have sex for health with others, then at very least do not attack the rights of sex workers and johns or those seeking health via sex (massage or external organs) in red light districts which need to, and have not yet been set up in all major international capitals at least.

Every sexual liason refused or missed is a disaster waiting to happen on the other side of the world in the form of earthquakes and tornadoes IF there is a similarly frustrated ‘person’ (‘person’ as in lowest chakra/spinal node spirit, not the day to day person – humans are much like ‘Portuguese-Men-O-War’ . . . colonies of SPIRITS attached to a single physical body specifically to ORGANS including the external one the retards in society are so woo-woo about . . . ) mirroring. If compounded by viciousness of intent, attempts to manipulate, steal spirit or what not, AND by spouses (which is why people get married, though society often creates conditions that prevent marriage the most evident being refusal to distribute land or distribute wealth in extreme wealth or land sequestration by a handful of individuals), spiritual sins akin to rape occur. So have fun figuring out why man has had a history of war . . . that all for Sexual Occult Theory 101 for today. The Atlanteans used sexual magick (apparently with the dead) and destroyed themselves by Mother Nature’s wrath, now mankind if not ready to create better conditions around them and suppress or harness what should be wild free libidos of free citizens, will get to enjoy nature’s need to remove the offending individuals, because phenotypical links are a spiritual firmament or spiritual bedrock of sorts that cannot be touched or tampered with without free willed assent (which is why rapes are so bad though killing in turn for raping is worse than raping alone and is no equitable punishment/vengeance).

ARTICLE 2

How Live Sex Will Save The Porn Industry – Michael Stabile – 5 Sep 2012

DVDs are dead, pay sites are struggling and porn is free and unlimited. Why live cams, Twitter and Skype may be the porn industry’s last hope.

Ruby Knox moved to Los Angeles six years ago to become a porn star. The free-spirited Native American, now 27 (though her online profile at SquirtNetwork.com gives her age as 25), says she was in it as much for the self-exploration as the money — and for a while, she found both. For much of the last decade, the San Fernando Valley — porn’s longtime hub — was flush with cash from DVD sales and an online streaming boom. Knox shot for studios like Hustler and Vivid, picking up a few AVN Award nominations in the process.

But this past April, she packed up her computer and and left the Valley. Now, from her home in Baja California, Knox does private webcam sessions for up to $15 per minute.

Knox is not alone. Webcams — or “cams” as they’re more commonly referred in the industry — were once an online backwater populated by Eastern Europeans and low-quality, stop-and-go videos. In the past few years, they’ve emerged as the driving force of a new internet porn boom.

For those at the top, the rewards are incredible. A popular model on a large cam site can generate over $40,000 in a single month. There are multiple revenue streams for a cam star, including group chats, but for many the goal is to find a “whale,” an online sugar daddy who might spend $20,000 a month on you or, even better, a member of “the platinum club” — the high-net worth fans who spend more than $100,000 a year.

Webcams have been around for almost as long as the commercial internet, but the days of watching a monitor-lit star hunched over a keyboard are long gone. In the past few years, prosumer electronics, HD video-streams and hands-free operation have turned the cams from an also-ran to the porn industry’s financial front-runner. And thanks to programs like Skype, cams have become much more of an interactive experience. If the appeal of those first webcams was voyeurism, the appeal of today’s cams is their intimacy.

The cam industry owes as much to phone sex as it does to porn. After all, the goal with cams isn’t to get the customers off, but to seduce them into staying online — at $15 a minute, the sizzle is worth much more than the steak.

Alec Helmy, publisher of the porn industry trade magazine Xbiz, calls cams “one of the industry’s few bright spots.” While the rest of piracy-plagued porn is struggling to survive, he says top cam companies have been growing by as much as 20 percent annually. Douglas Richter, a rep for Adult Webmaster Empire (AWE), one of the industry’s largest cam companies, estimates industry revenues at between $1.5 and $2 billion a year.

And where the money goes, the stars have followed. Cams are drawing increasingly high-profile stars, who are attracted to both the money and the adulation. A recent cam show by Jenna Haze* on AWE’s LiveJasmin.com attracted 10,000 paying followers. That’s a lot of cash, even in an industry used to quick fortune.

It’s one reason a site like Live Jasmin can now operate in the same cultural space once reserved for luxury brands like Chandon or Bentley: Flo Rida name checked the site in his recent single, “Hey Jasmin.”

Live Jasmin may not yet have the name recognition of Playboy, but that won’t last for long. The site currently holds an Alexa ranking of 46, making it one of the 50 most popular sites in the entire world. On an average day, LiveJasmin.com attracts more online viewers than the New York Times, Netflix or ESPN. By traffic — and possibly revenue — it’s the largest adult company in the world.

The key to cams’ success is the interaction with the star — so unlike traditional porn, there’s little incentive to pirate. A taped cam show is like a taxidermied pet: It might look the same, but it’s a little lifeless. So while the rest of the porn industry fights to keep its content off torrent sites, cams are exploding. They may share a lineage with filmed porn, but it’s a Darwinian offshoot that has suddenly found itself immune to the virus that’s killing off its competitors.

It’s also changing the nature of the entire business.

GIVING PORN AWAY

In the traditional system, a porn producer would shoot a movie and try to move as many copies as it could. With cams, the goal isn’t so much to go wide as it is to find a few “whales” willing to spend big. It’s porn for the 1%.

“It’s a different kind of profit. It’s a different kind of customer,” says Randy Blue. Blue launched his eponymous gay porn site nearly a decade ago and quickly became one of the biggest players in the industry — a streaming video success story. At one point, he considered using his success to buy up traditional brick-and-mortar porn studios, but he couldn’t see the long-term value. Two years ago, he decided to invest heavily in cams.

“If anybody works in the industry and they see their profit shrinking monthly and they haven’t caught the clue they might be obsolete in two years, I don’t know what to tell them. We’re going through the biggest technological change that this industry has ever gone through, much more than reel-to-reel to VHS to DVD — that was nothing,” he says.

The porn industry, he says, is on the same trajectory as all media: content itself no longer holds value. “When you look at the money that’s made by most recording artists, they make their money in concerts. What used to be a $30 ticket is now $125 ticket. Sometimes they do a smaller venue with fans who are willing to pay more.”

If you’re an artist who wants to remain independent — whether as a filmmaker, a rock band or a porn star — your success is your direct connection, and the only commodity worth selling is the live event.

Take Clerks director Kevin Smith, who abandoned traditional distribution for his film Red State in favor of a traveling roadshow. Or a comedian like Louis C.K, who self-distributed his concert album Live at the Beacon to his fans at a steep discount — and now uses that direct connection to sell concert tickets without a middleman. Acts like Radiohead essentially give away their albums — and make it up in live performance.

Filmed porn may continue to exist, but many in the industry say it’s likely to become a loss leader, a way to make ancillary revenue. Faced with thousands of tube sites giving away their content, companies from Pink Visual to Kink.com have even looked into giving away their movies for free in order to sell advertising for things like sex toys, dating sites — and cams.

Blue says he’s not sure that free is the answer, but he hasn’t ruled it out. “There is a whole generation of guys who aren’t going to pay for music, porn or anything. So if there are 10,000 people who won’t pay, you have to find a thousand who will.”

And, he says, the 10 percent that is still willing to pay for porn is willing to pay a lot more for a live event.

Ruby Knox’s profile on SquirtNetwork.com

THE GIRLFRIEND EXPERIENCE 2.0

That same 10 percent is also changing what defines a star in this new universe. It’s no longer enough to have a pretty face and a tight body. A cam star needs to be able to connect — and to sell.

The connection is what originally drew Ruby Knox to cams, and one reason why she thrives here. “With porn you can’t really relate to your audience, really. You’re just a figment of their imagination,” Knox says. Her fans are as likely to talk with her about items on Reddit as they are about sex.

Knox is a geek, and most of her audience is people like her: gamers, hackers, young professionals who work from home. The very people you wouldn’t expect to pay for porn are spending plenty on her.

A good cam star is part Scheherazade, part carnival barker. Shows always start out free, of course, and often include a countdown clock. The star will tease and flirt; she might talk about her day or how horny she is or what she’s got planned for the show. She could bring out a sex toy or introduce a special guest. Through it all, she’s the consummate hostess, greeting old fans as they log on and batting her eyes at the new ones. But there’s only so much she’ll give away for free.

When the show begins the screen goes blank for anyone who hasn’t ponied up. A show can be anything from lower-priced group chat — sometimes called a circle jerk, where anyone who pays can log in and talk to her — to a personal cam-to-cam show with a single dedicated fan. Sometimes it’s explicit sex, and sometimes it’s just company. (AWE’s Richter says some of the highest paid stars barely get naked.)

For the performer, the cam business model is more akin to dancing — the exotic kind — than it is to traditional porn work. And like a strip club, the house — in this case the cam site — takes a substantial cut, sometimes as much as 40 percent.

Some individual stars do run their own cams, but it’s nothing compared to the money that can be made on a heavily trafficked site like Live Jasmin. While every star has dedicated fans, it’s access to new ones that makes it financially sustainable in the long term. If you want to land a whale, you have to sail in deeper waters.

But even on a site with a lot of traffic, the hustle is still up to the star. A good cam star recognizes your name, remembers what you like, feeds you compliments, and sends you personal messages in the off-hours. This is the Girlfriend Experience 2.0.

The cam section of Samantha Ryan’s site. (It’s loading, perpetually.)

“I talk to them,” says Samantha Ryan, who shot for studios like Pink Visual and Vivid, but now cams almost daily from her home in Los Angeles. “I bring them into the show. You’re trying to eliminate the space between you.”

The era of the untouchable porn diva is over, Ryan says. Cams require an entirely different skill set. “The girls that are just into themselves? “It can be fun for awhile…”

She trails off, as if not wanting to offend. Many cam stars still look for traditional scene work, both because it pays better on an hourly basis and because it acts as an advertisement for their cams. And many top porn stars still regard the cam business as unglamorous. If you’re doing well in traditional porn, cam work can be risky.

“A webcam show can kill the fantasy,” says Knox, carefully choosing her words. “What if someone shows up on cam and is crazy, or taking shots and passing out with a dildo? It’s not for everyone.”

It’s also harder on the psyche. Cam stars have to interact with fans for three or four hours a day, and when they’re not on camera, they have to keep it bubbly on Facebook and Twitter. If download speeds defined the streaming porn boom, the omnipresent grind of social networking defines the cam boom.

While most porn stars have online profiles, cam stars have made social media an art. In their off-hours, stars use it to monitor and interact with fans, to increase familiarity and to get them excited about upcoming shows. When they go online, they send out tweets and emails to their fans; regulars and big spenders might get text messages as well. And they’ve learned to steel themselves against mob mentality and trolls.

“You really have to be on ‘on’,” says Ryan. “Not just on your personal game, but in knowing how to talk to everybody, how to deal with the haters.”

Cams, like comment boards and Facebook threads, are magnets for malcontents and trolls.

“I’d rather get herpes than watch you,” one told her during a recent show. Ryan says she laughed it off publicly because she didn’t want to appear difficult. But the attacks can be vicious. “I understand the psychology. It’s the opportunity for a live one-on-one with us, which they haven’t gotten before.”

For new stars like Jessie Andrews, Best Actress at this year’s AVN Awards, the trouble isn’t worth the trade off. Studio work can pay several thousand dollars for a few hours’ work, and if you’re young and live in Los Angeles, that may be enough.

“Cams are great,” she wrote over email, but says she rarely does them. “I think that girls should make a higher percentage.”

Some cam companies do attempt to lure models with better percentages, especially as performers from Eastern Europe, India and Colombia drive down rates. Ryan used to make more than $1000 per show, but estimates that her profits have dropped by half in the past year because customers are becoming used to getting more for less.

Still, for performers Ryan and Knox, the opportunity to control their own destiny is worth it. Hard work, not just looks, determines how much money you make. It’s not a lucrative on an hour-by-hour basis, but it offers something for the performer that porn never did: predictability.

For Ryan, that means allowing her to go back to school for computer engineering. She has a regular income, and more importantly, a regular schedule. When she was dependent on film shoots, she could hardly schedule yoga, let alone a school semester. Now, sets her own hours and can make a budget.

Knox agrees. She still looks for scene work — she calls filmed porn a “lucrative hobby,” and still shoots when in LA — but cams gave her a life.

“I love that freedom. It’s the American dream. It’s so cool,” And then she excuses herself to have a late lunch, poolside in Mexico.

Michael Stabile is a writer and filmmaker based in Los Angeles.

Top illustration by BuzzFeed’s Chris Ritter

Update: Flo Rida lyrics and SquirtNetwork.com screencap corrected.

*Douglas Richter says he misspoke when he said Jenna Jameson recently had a show on Live Jasmine — he meant Jenna Haze.

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RLDs in major world capitals please. One fundo’s vice is another man’s recreation. All men being equal, then all spaces/laws should be granted.

ARTICLE 3

Claim: Obama hid ‘gay life’ to become president – Chicago homosexual community shocked he could keep it secret – by Jerome R. CorsiEmail

Leave Comacho alone!

A prominent member of Chicago’s homosexual community claims Barack Obama’s participation in the “gay” bar and bathhouse scene was so well known that many who were aware of his lifestyle were shocked when he ran for president and finally won the White House.

“It was preposterous to the people I knew then to think Obama was going to keep his gay life secret,” said Kevin DuJan, who was a gossip columnist in Chicago for various blogs when Obama was living in the city as a community organizer and later a state senator.

“Nobody who knew Obama in the gay bar scene thought he could possibly be president,” said DuJan.

DuJan, founder and editor of the Hillary Clinton-supporting website HillBuzz.org, told WND he has first-hand information from two different sources that “Obama was personally involved in the gay bar scene.”

“If you just hang out at these bars, the older guys who have been frequenting these gay bars for 25 years will tell you these stories,” DuJan said. “Obama used to go to the gay bars during the week, most often on Wednesday, and they said he was very much into older white guys.”

Obama, DuJan said, is “not heterosexual and he’s not bisexual. He’s homosexual.”

Investigative journalist Wayne Madsen, who worked with the National Security Agency from 1984 to 1988 as a Navy intelligence analyst, confirmed DuJan’s claims.

“It is common knowledge in the Chicago gay community that Obama actively visited the gay bars and bathhouses in Chicago while he was an Illinois state senator,” Madsen told WND.

WND also spoke with a member of the East Bank Club in Chicago, who confirmed Obama was a member there and was known to be a homosexual. The upscale fitness club says it has some 10,000 members, but it’s one of a number of places identified by the Chicago homosexual community as a “gay gym.”

In April, WND reported a federal judge dismissed a libel case against Larry Sinclair, a homosexual who claimed Obama’s 2008 presidential campaign had paid to rig a polygraph test regarding Sinclair’s sensational charge that he had sex and used cocaine twice with Obama while Obama was an Illinois state senator. Sinclair tells his story in “Barack Obama & Larry Sinclair: Cocaine, Sex, Lies & Murder.”

WND also reported former radical activist John Drew has said that when he met Obama when Obama was a student at Occidental College, he thought Obama and his then-Pakistani roommate were “gay” lovers.

In addition, rumors have swirled around Obama’s relationship with his personal aide and former “body man,” Reggie Love, who resurfaced on the eve of the Republican National Convention to support his old boss. Love resigned from the White House in November 2011 after compromising photographs of him as a college student received wide circulation.

WND also has documented in two separate articles, here and here, that Obama wore a gold band on his wedding ring finger from the time he attended Occidental College through his student days at Harvard Law School.

DuJan said that during Obama’s first presidential campaign, “there was fear in the gay community” about talking openly about Obama being homosexual, particularly after the murder in December 2007 of Donald Young, the openly gay choir director at Jeremiah Wright’s Trinity United Church of Christ, who was known to be a close friend of Obama.

“People did not want to talk openly about Obama being gay,” he said.

“Then, when we saw how Larry Sinclair was demonized, anybody who would expose Obama worried they would be silenced if they dared to speak the truth about Obama’s gay life,” DuJan said.

‘Obama’s secrets’

DuJan said he has been told “Obama’s secrets would have to come out just like John Edwards’ secrets came out.”

He said Obama stopped going to gay bars and bathhouses in Chicago when he began running for the U.S. Senate in 2004.

“Back then, Obama could walk around Chicago and people generally wouldn’t recognize him, even though he was a state senator in the Illinois assembly at the time,” DuJan said.

DuJan insisted that while he’s a supporter of Hillary Clinton, he holds no personal animus toward Obama. He said he campaigned for Clinton in 2008 “because I had waited for years for her to be able to run.”

“I opposed Obama not because I’m a racist, or that I hate Obama, I just knew the type of person Obama associated with in Chicago,” he said.

He pointed to Obama’s association with convicted Chicago real estate magnate Tony Rezko, Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan and Rev. Wright.

“Obama was a dirty politician that the media never wanted to vet – that’s what concerned me about Obama,” Du Jan said.

DuJan spoke further of his claims about Obama in an interview Monday night on Andrea Shea King’s show on BlogTalkRadio.com, which included questions from WND during the last half of the show.

Man’s Country

Madsen published an article in his Wayne Madsen Report in May 2010 claiming Obama and Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel were members of the same bathhouse in Chicago.

“President Obama and his chief of staff Rahm Emanuel are lifetime members of the same gay bathhouse in uptown Chicago, according to informed sources in Chicago’s gay community, as well as veteran political sources in the city,” Madsen wrote.

He said the bathhouse, “Man’s Country,” catered “to older men,” noting “it has been in business for some 30 years and is known as one of uptown Chicago’s ‘grand old bathhouses.’”

Madsen wrote his 2010 report after traveling to Chicago to interview bartenders and customers at several “gay” bars.

DuJan gave WND a list of “gay” bars in Chicago where older customers hang out and tell stories about how Obama, prior to 2004, frequented visited to pick up men for sex, including several on Halstead Street, widely known as an “uber-gay Chicago street.

Writing in HillBuzz.com Tuesday, DuJan said rooms at Man’s Country bathhouse are still referred to as the “presidential suite,” or the “Oral Office,” because “the current President used to haunt the place when he was a just another Illinois state senator that no one had ever heard of or cared about.”

DuJan said he believes that, someday, “all of this is going to be as public knowledge as JFK’s affair with Marilyn Monroe and the other women he cavorted with while married to Jackie.”

“Someday,” he said, “in the next 10-20 years, everyone will know all about Man’s Country, and the place will no doubt get a plaque of sometime commemorating that place as a gay hangout for the future leader of the free world.”

Jerome R. Corsi, a Harvard Ph.D., is a WND senior staff reporter. He has authored many books, including No. 1 N.Y. Times best-sellers “The Obama Nation” and “Unfit for Command.” Corsi’s latest book is “Where’s the REAL Birth Certificate?”

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Obama will be President for 2 terms after which we do not care if Obama got into porn and owned a string of brothels across USA – Uber-pimp style. Obama may have spent too many terms as Senator and is the President of USA but deserves a private life as much as anyone else. As long as official and non-official lives are separate, who can fairly begrude anyone that freedom of choice which is what USA is all about? Freedom of sexuality cannot be denied the President if everyone else has that right. Good policy writing (which admittedly Obama hasn’t exactly proven yet) is more important than a incumbent or candidate’s sexuality.

Would USA prefer a straight alpha male policy writer or President that destroys the country with bad policy, unneeded wars . . . or a limp wristed, campy gay club visiting President that raises/re-raises the country to the status of a superpower where all are housed and fed and clothed with bright futures? This is politics, not private narrow communalism or fundo bias, doesn’t the writer have the maturity or intelligence to tell the difference?

ARTICLE 4

US debt collectors cash in on $1 trillion in student loans – published: 09 September, 2012, 17:56

Vote only for politicians that will ratify “Free Tertiary Education” for all citizens!

A student walks near Royce Hall on the campus of UCLA.(AFP Photo / Kevork Djansezian)

Most US college students hope to land a good job with a high salary after graduation. But for some the reality is very different. Many find themselves faced with insurmountable debt – and a loan industry that’s happy to cash in on their misfortune.

­As the number of people taking out government-backed student loans has soared, so has the number of borrowers who have fallen behind in making payments.

Around 5.9 million people nationwide have fallen at least 12 months behind in their payments. This number has grown by a third in the last five years, according to a State Higher Education Finance survey.

Many who can’t repay their loans feel they have no choice but to default. It’s a decision that can be disastrous – ruining a borrower’s credit and increasing the amount they owe. It can also result in penalties of up to 25 per cent of the balance.

Despite the scary consequences, young adults across America have chosen to default on their loans. And that decision has resulted in a cat-and-mouse game with the government.

“I keep changing my phone number. In a year, this is probably my fourth phone number,” former student Amanda Cordeiro told the New York Times.

Cordeiro receives up to seven calls a day from debt collectors attempting to recover her $55,000 in overdue student loans. But phone calls are just the beginning.

Since the federal government imposes no statute of limitations for collecting loan repayments, escaping the debt is nearly impossible.

“You are going to pay it, or you are going to die with it,” said John Ulzheimer, president of consumer education at SmartCredit.com.

As America’s poor economy causes companies and small businesses to close their doors, the debt collection industry is booming.

Conserve, a debt collection agency in New York, expects to double its payroll in the next three years.

“There is great opportunity,” the company’s president and founder Mark E. Davitt, told the New York Times.

It’s easy to see where that opportunity comes from.

The nationwide student loan balance is more than $1 trillion. It’s a number that makes borrowers cringe.

However, debt collectors are more than grateful for the astronomically high amount of debt among college graduates.

Debt collectors used to receive a steady and reliable income from credit card debt, but the slowing economy has made collection a challenge.

Now, student loans are filling that hole. In fact, many are calling students the “new oil well” for the debt collection industry.

“While the Department of Education debt collection contract has been one of the most highly sought-after contracts within the ARM industry for years, I believe it is now THE most sought-after contract within this industry, centered within the most sought-after market – student loans,” mergers and acquisitions specialist Mark Russell wrote on Insidearm.com.

It’s a win-win situation for both the government and collection agencies. Government officials estimate they will collect 76 to 82 cents on every dollar of loans made in fiscal 2013 that end up in default. Borrowers then have to pay collection costs, which go straight to the debt agencies.

In addition to the balance, borrowers are charged for collection costs, which go straight to the debt agencies.

The rewards trickle down to other areas, too.

Educational Credit Management Corp. (ECMC), a Minnesota based agency, benefits from its 18-year-old agreement with the US government, according to Bloomberg News.

The company charges fees to borrowers and earns commissions from taxpayers when it collects on defaulted student loans. And the rewards are lucrative.

ECMC’s debt collectors earn financial perks as a reward from extracting money from defaulted borrowers. In 2010, the company’s top performers received bonuses equivalent to as much as 10 times their base salaries, which range from $33,000 to $46,000.

It’s a never-ending cycle between borrower and lender – and the winner is almost always the lender. After all, it’s nearly impossible to hide from the government.

“It’s the closest thing to debtor prison that there is on this Earth,” former student Patrick Writer said of his federal loan.

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@africaboy (unregistered) September 10, 2012, 00:39

They problem is not that they  love educated people. No the society of profit makers do not want  people to get educated. They want to take away from you any aspiration and self confident. Politicians like Obama and his wife will come to the microphone to talk about Student loans situation. They make you feel like they are one of those students. End story they will talk about their own success. But how many people will have the chance to become a good House negro? Romney asked freshman students to start their own business. He told them to go ask money to their parent!!.  Can you  see how this man is not touch? A parent who has no real income how that parent can finance a business. The American illusion is a reality.  Obama’s wife told us how her father did everything to help her and her brother pay for their student loans. I was extremely surprised to see that Woman lying live from the television screen. Her dad as she told us was very sick man. They did not have enough. How much her dad was paying back then? She said her and her husband students loans combined where higher than their mortgage. In year 2008 Obama told us he just finished paying his student loans before declaring his candidacy. As you can see people of America has no support for any of the politicians. The two parties system is made of fabrication and liars.  Today the government can take a decision cut every graduate student with 98% of their loan. That mean erase the loan at the level of 98%.

Require Schools to provide a real job assistance to graduate students or they need to close their doors. A commission between the department of labor and department of education should be established to oversee the job placement they said they will help provide. All those school boutique must close their doors. More than 70% of America schools are schools boutique. They are not in business to educate people but to make money and profit. The money you pay for a year schooling can help you finish a whole degree program is most country.  Three courses at the Master or Doctorate level will cost easily $12000 to $18000  Us Dollars. The Arabs ( Saudi, Koweit, United Emirate Arabs) are the few who will pay off their students fees in one payment and some very few America students from the top 1%.

@kuplungmaster September 10, 2012, 00:37

Perhaps all those young and educated people should pack their bags and move elsewhere.  I am sure someone will appreciate their knowledge and expertise. The morbid joy of collection agencies over misfortune of many was expected.

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Don’t waste money on education. Buy some land and kick back and relax, even rent out some of that land for the starving to cultivate. Being a landlord beats being a debt slave for a overrated piece of paper that only allows one to be a work slave to end that debt, by which time most are already in their 30s only ro begin saving from scratch what they had when they were just entering college which would take another 10 years at least, after which a young upstart with tghe same debt would need the job more than the same faded ‘paper chaser’ who might still be in debt because of marriage and kids needing an education! We die our children follow indeed – especially for conventional degree types . . .

ARTICLE 4

Who Are These People! – Posted on September 8, 2012 by Kirwan

These two kids were six or seven years old when this was drawn, back in 1966. They represented ‘Children of the Empty Promise’ which would put them in their early fifties by now, if they had survived.

I find it virtually impossible to believe that Americans are putting up with stuff like “Extrodinary Events Management-Rules” as these are to be applied tomorrow with the start of the Democratic Convention

In Charlotte, N. Carolina.

“CHARLOTTE, N.C. — Starting Saturday, someone walking through Charlotte’s central business district could run afoul of the law by carrying water bottles, hair spray, socks or magic markers under sweeping security rules enacted ahead of the Democratic National Convention.

It would take a particularly strict reading of the rules for someone to be arrested simply for possessing one of those items, but the possibility exists — which worries protesters and free speech advocates. They fear authorities could trample on people’s constitutional rights in the name of protecting public safety.

On what planet do people exist that need to be protected from magic markers, water-bottles or women’s purses as weapons against over 5,000 heavily armed troops?

“Extrodinary Event” there’s new law coming out in Charlotte that explains that you lose your rights in this country if it is during an extrodinary event. If you go to the Democratic Convention in Charlotte you will be subject to the Extrodinary Event laws (up to one mile from the Convention site). To enforce this new events law they’ve got 1,750 storm troopers down there, but that wasn’t quite enough; so they brought in 3,400 other storm-troopers on-loan-officers from around the country.

Now put this in military terms because truly this is what our police forces come down to – that is over ten battalions of military soldiers that will be enforcing “Extrodinary Events laws from people carrying magic-markers or handbags or soda cans. It isn’t about making a statement that there will be no violence in Charlotte, because in these Extrodinary Event Laws they didn’t take away your right to open-carry a gun: It’s all about making everything illegal! Make it illegal so that if you need to be stopped and detained and black-bagged and ‘got rid of’ there are laws on the books that makes that “POSSIBLE.” You are nothing more than cattle, in this country at this point!

You will not see anyone in the mainstream Media covering this, you will not see any of the protestors being beat-down or arrested or detained. You will not see any experts up there telling you that the Constitution has been totally destroyed—what you will see is a charade. A democratic committee telling us how we rescued an economy, how we’re going to go after Wall Street, how we’re going to stay on the path of bringing jobs back to the country and NOTHING could be further from the truth…” (1)

Yesterday the following data was mentioned.

“(CNSNews.com) – The number of Americans whom the U.S. Department of Labor counted as “not in the civilian labor force” in August hit a record high of 88,921,000.

The Labor Department counts a person as not in the civilian labor force if they are at least 16 years old, are not in the military or an institution such as a prison, mental hospital or nursing home, and have not actively looked for a job in the last four weeks. The department counts a person as in “the civilian labor force” if they are at least 16, are not in the military or an institution such as a prison, mental hospital or nursing home, and either do have a job or have actively looked for one in the last four weeks.

In July, there were 155,013,000 in the U.S. civilian labor force. In August that dropped to 154,645,000—meaning that on net 368,000 people simply dropped out of the labor force last month and did not even look for a job.

There were also 119,000 fewer Americans employed in August than there were in July. In July, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, there were 142,220,000 Americans working. But, in August, there were only 142,101,000 Americans working.

Despite the fact that fewer Americans were employed in August than July, the unemployment rate ticked down from 8.3 in July to 8.1. That is because so many people dropped out of the labor force and stopped looking for work. The unemployment rate is the percentage of people in the labor force (meaning they had a job or were actively looking for one) who did not have a job.

The Bureau of Labor Statistic also reported that in August the labor force participation rate (the percentage of the people in the civilian non-institutionalized population who either had a job or were actively looking for one) dropped to a 30-year low of 63.5 percent, down from 63.7 percent in July. The last time the labor force participation rate was as low as 63.5 percent was in September 1981.” (3).

However to get to reality the public would need to know:

How many people in this country are over 16 years old, and are not in any of the excluded categories? What the figures above seem to indicate is that almost half of the potential work force remains unemployed. Whatever the case the FEDS have to de-cloak the real numbers and level with the public about jobs and unemployment in plain English.

“… The changes to city ordinances adopted earlier this year for “extraordinary events” ban a long list of actions and items that would otherwise be legal from a more than 100-square-block zone. The area includes spots as much as a mile from the sports venues where the Democratic Party events are to be held.

The new rules have already been used for events before the convention and will remain on the books after it’s over.

The special rules that went into effect at 12:01 a.m. Saturday could also bar anyone other than government employees from carrying handbags and backpacks or possessing soda cans, drink coolers, scarves, bike helmets, baby strollers or pets not specifically permitted as service animals.

A section banning “a container or object of sufficient weight to be used as a projectile” could be interpreted to include almost anything, from an apple to an iPhone.

Those caught violating any of these prohibitions could be subject to arrest and jail.

Similar prohibitions have been in place at past conventions; especially those following the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

Outside the Republican National Convention in 2004, New York City police carried out mass arrests, detaining hundreds of people for days in miserable conditions on a Hudson River pier. Most of those charges were later dropped or thrown out, triggering dozens of lawsuits against the city.

At the rain-soaked Republican Convention in Tampa earlier this week, officials banned umbrellas, baseballs and puppet-making materials. There, the rules went largely untested after only a fraction of the expected protesters showed up due to worries about Hurricane Isaac.

Charlotte’s Uptown business district is home to the headquarters of Bank of America and substantial operations for Wells Fargo, two of the nation’s largest financial institutions. The “March on Wall Street South” scheduled for Sunday is expected to draw thousands of protesters.

Members of Occupy Charlotte, who are helping to organize the march, said turnout for that and other protests could get a boost from demonstrators deterred from Tampa by the weather. At the other end of the political spectrum, tea party activists and other right wing groups are also planning protests.

City and police officials stressed that it’s their responsibility to maintain law and order. There has been street violence at some recent high-profile events, such as the 2008 GOP convention in Minneapolis and the NATO Summit in Chicago this year.

“History has shown, unfortunately, that while the vast majority are law-abiding and peaceful, expressing their First Amendment rights, a number of folks use the opportunity of large crowds and a platform to cause harm and violence,” said Charlotte City Attorney Robert Hagemann, who helped draft the extraordinary event ordinance.” (2)

The people of this nation deserve better from every area of the government with all those EMPTY-PROMISES they’ve been trying to sell us on since 1966.

In the meanwhile just who are these fat lazy white men, and a few women, who haven’t seen their genitals in over twenty years because of all the fat that continues to swell their hideous forms. What kind of a country is afraid of “magic-markers” at a political convention, or anywhere else for that matter? What has happened to this place that we cannot live without the government’s permission to do anything at all—ever!

If no one attended this fake convention—that would end the charade, and we could easily take back what’s left of this dump. Or we might actually reject the FERAL-Federal-Government and withdraw the permission which the states lent to the FEDS to create the central government in the first place. ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE, BUT FIRST YOU’VE GOT TO GET MAD ENOUGH TO BEGIN TO ACT. (4)

We have to stop taking pictures and start taking action—before this Rogue Government begins to launch wave after wave of military riot-squads against us. It’s time for the public to ACT on their own behalf, or just forgets about anything to do with this place as somewhere fit for human habitation!

The Children of the Empty Promise still haunt this place, and their lives ought to have counted for a hell of lot more than they obviously did, when most of these LIES were first uncovered…

Jim Kirwan

1) Extrodinary Events – 5 min video

2) DNC Security Rules Trigger Free Speech worries

3) Record 88,921,000 Americans Not in Labor Force

4) Judge Napolitano on Nullification and the Constitutional Powers of States – 2 min video

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So long as day to day tolerances are as low as currently are, no tolerance should be given to extraordinary event ‘arrests’ or ‘charges’ without proof.

ARTICLE 5

Nanotechnology, Terra-Forming, Transhumanism, and You – Friday, September 7th 2012 at 5:00 am – by Anne Gordon, RN

Many things are being altered right before our eyes, mostly without our consent, or knowledge. These changes are coming from well-funded and classified experiments, accidents, and new science, often with creepy ‘modern’ agendas driving them. This sort of broad scale change is unfolding in nearly every facet of our lives. But the signs and symptoms already indicate that our health may suffer as a result.

Lets start with food for example. The bio-availability of the nutrients in our food seems to be getting interrupted. Could it be the irradiation or modification of foods?  Some believe that the reason for the obesity problems could actually be a lack of nutrition, a slow starvation, because the nutrition cannot get into the cells.

Weather modification is nothing new, and researchers claim that the residues from spraying create toxic effects on our health, plants, and animals.  We seem to be ingesting experimental aerosolized air, tainted water (with fluoride, pharmaceuticals, etc.), faked food, and untested medicines. Asthma cases are soaring, as are mysterious flu-like symptoms. But that is only the tip of a very chilling future according to many thinkers.

Hollywood is helping us to be de-sensitized to words, through popular movies. For example, many science fiction movies feature flesh eating zombies (mutated humans), and terra-forming earth.  Academic futurists are talking about Transhumanism, and popular magazines illustrates how a future man might physically appear.

Transhumanism, a new and growing movement, is asserting claims to augment ‘ natural humans’, replacing them with a technological ‘advanced’ artificial intelligence, fueled by nanotechnology and bio-engineering. As change accelerates, we are hearing the term, die off’s, and shrug it off to natural ‘extinctions’. The skies are often white, not blue, as the weather experiments, (race to control the weather, or other motives), become extreme.  Sadly, as we get desensitized, we accept a new normal.

Yet, Terra-Forming the environment (geo-engineering) and changing the nature of man needs some forethought. If the skies are sprayed with aerosols, as many documents note, (to reflect the sunlight preventing warming), serious consequences seem obvious. Ultimately, are we hurting ourselves, and, future generations?

We have already created plastic antibodies. We have smart pills, smart chicken, smart water, smart washers, and smart grid. Smart is a marketing word, like, the new modern, but often with an altered brew. Today, we get artificial (plastic) body parts, and create new life in vitro, (cellular engineering). In short, we’re already ingesting new chemicals, plastics, nano particles, while being bombarded 24/7 by invisible electromagnetic frequencies (ELF’s).  We are told everything is safe, but is it? How do you feel?

Transhumanism looks into the future for man decades, based on today’s technologies. We already have cryonics (preservation of cells). Virtual reality already mimics reality, and soon will include our sense of touch, (haptics).  It is suggested that people might prefer the virtual reality of the future, to reality.

Sophisticated biotechnology combined with nano technology will become so convenient and tiny, that the everyday person will want to implant them (for convenience or prestige). New vaccines are on the horizon for countless ailments, with needle -less  creative ways to ingest them. Yum.

Before embracing all new technologies sold to us to improve our lives, it might be wise to take a very close look at the non-monetary price you will pay especially when linked to potential harmful side effects. Start with what you can do for you,or your loved ones and learn what you are putting into your bodies willingly.

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Neurotech.

ARTICLE 6

Stretchable electronic skin being developed to monitor vital signs – by Tecca | Today in Tech – 7th September 2012

Advances in polymer technology allow circuits to stretch just like human skin

Just when you thought tattoos couldn’t get any cooler, scientists at Cambridge, Massachussetts startup MC10 are working on stretchable electronics that can be applied to a person’s skin. The ultimate goal with these polymer patches is to allow them to be used to monitor a patient’s vital signs, both externally and internally.

Thanks to advances in polymer substrate, microchips, LEDs, wireless technology, and even solar cells, this stretchable electronic skin may be the key to revolutionizing the medical diagnostic field. Or they could just allow you to have really cool light-up tattoos.

Previously, electronic-embedded polymer was only able to bend, but not stretch. MC10 aims to change this with the release of its first product, in partnership with Reebok, this fall. Although details are being kept secret, the company’s skin patch products are meant to wirelessly transmit medical information such as heart rate, respiration, hydration, temperature, and more from the patient to a nearby smartphone. Stretchable balloon catheters are also being developed to allow high-resolution mapping of the heart to detect problematic cardiac tissue.

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This coupled with neutrotech will be the end of humanity’s free will. Will the appropriate watchdogs act now to ensure that this sort of technology does not become rampant and uncontrolled? Think ‘White Zones’ and consumer rights and access to non-GMO or traditional medical/herbal treatments. Do not deny anyone this right of choice even if all this tech becomes mainstream.

ARTICLE 7

EU funding ‘Orwellian’ artificial intelligence plan to monitor public for “abnormal behaviour” – by Ian Johnston – 9:08PM BST 19 Sep 2009
The European Union is spending millions of pounds developing “Orwellian” technologies designed to scour the internet and CCTV images for “abnormal behaviour”.

A five-year research programme, called Project Indect, aims to develop computer programmes which act as “agents” to monitor and process information from web sites, discussion forums, file servers, peer-to-peer networks and even individual computers.

Its main objectives include the “automatic detection of threats and abnormal behaviour or violence”.

Project Indect, which received nearly £10 million in funding from the European Union, involves the Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI) and computer scientists at York University, in addition to colleagues in nine other European countries.

Shami Chakrabarti, the director of human rights group Liberty, described the introduction of such mass surveillance techniques as a “sinister step” for any country, adding that it was “positively chilling” on a European scale.

The Indect research, which began this year, comes as the EU is pressing ahead with an expansion of its role in fighting crime, terrorism and managing migration, increasing its budget in these areas by 13.5% to nearly £900 million.

The European Commission is calling for a “common culture” of law enforcement to be developed across the EU and for a third of police officers – more than 50,000 in the UK alone – to be given training in European affairs within the next five years.

According to the Open Europe think tank, the increased emphasis on co-operation and sharing intelligence means that European police forces are likely to gain access to sensitive information held by UK police, including the British DNA database. It also expects the number of UK citizens extradited under the controversial European Arrest Warrant to triple.

Stephen Booth, an Open Europe analyst who has helped compile a dossier on the European justice agenda, said these developments and projects such as Indect sounded “Orwellian” and raised serious questions about individual liberty.

“This is all pretty scary stuff in my book. These projects would involve a huge invasion of privacy and citizens need to ask themselves whether the EU should be spending their taxes on them,” he said.

“The EU lacks sufficient checks and balances and there is no evidence that anyone has ever asked ‘is this actually in the best interests of our citizens?'”

Miss Chakrabarti said: “Profiling whole populations instead of monitoring individual suspects is a sinister step in any society.

“It’s dangerous enough at national level, but on a Europe-wide scale the idea becomes positively chilling.”

According to the official website for Project Indect, which began this year, its main objectives include “to develop a platform for the registration and exchange of operational data, acquisition of multimedia content, intelligent processing of all information and automatic detection of threats and recognition of abnormal behaviour or violence”.

It talks of the “construction of agents assigned to continuous and automatic monitoring of public resources such as: web sites, discussion forums, usenet groups, file servers, p2p [peer-to-peer] networks as well as individual computer systems, building an internet-based intelligence gathering system, both active and passive”.

York University’s computer science department website details how its task is to develop “computational linguistic techniques for information gathering and learning from the web”.

“Our focus is on novel techniques for word sense induction, entity resolution, relationship mining, social network analysis [and] sentiment analysis,” it says.

A separate EU-funded research project, called Adabts – the Automatic Detection of Abnormal Behaviour and Threats in crowded Spaces – has received nearly £3 million. Its is based in Sweden but partners include the UK Home Office and BAE Systems.

It is seeking to develop models of “suspicious behaviour” so these can be automatically detected using CCTV and other surveillance methods. The system would analyse the pitch of people’s voices, the way their bodies move and track individuals within crowds.

Project coordinator Dr Jorgen Ahlberg, of the Swedish Defence Research Agency, said this would simply help CCTV operators notice when trouble was starting.

“People usually don’t start to fight from one second to another,” he said. “They start by arguing and pushing each other. It’s not that ‘oh you are pushing each other, you should be arrested’, it’s to alert an operator that something is going on.

“If it’s a shopping mall, you could send a security guard into the vicinity and things [a fight] maybe wouldn’t happen.”

Open Europe believes intelligence gathered by Indect and other such systems could be used by a little-known body, the EU Joint Situation Centre (SitCen), which it claims is “effectively the beginning of an EU secret service”. Critics have said it could develop into “Europe’s CIA”.

The dossier says: “The EU’s Joint Situation Centre (SitCen) was originally established in order to monitor and assess worldwide events and situations on a 24-hour basis with a focus on potential crisis regions, terrorism and WMD-proliferation.

“However, since 2005, SitCen has been used to share counter-terrorism information.

“An increased role for SitCen should be of concern since the body is shrouded in so much secrecy.

“The expansion of what is effectively the beginning of an EU ‘secret service’ raises fundamental questions of political oversight in the member states.”

Superintendent Gerry Murray, of the PSNI, said the force’s main role would be to test whether the system, which he said could be operated on a countrywide or European level, was a worthwhile tool for the police.

“A lot of it is very academic and very science-driven [at the moment]. Our budgets are shrinking, our human resources are shrinking and we are looking for IT technology that will help us five years down the line in reducing crime and combating criminal gangs,” he said.

“Within this Project Indect there is an ethical board which will be looked at: is it permissible within the legislation of the country who may use it, who oversees it and is it human rights compliant.”

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Neurotech applications applied to Satellite cellphone tech and Wiifi will destroy all mental autonomy. If these things cover the brains of individuals, there will be no freedom anymore.

ARTICLE 8

That’s embarrassing! Bar Refaeli passes a woman in the street who is wearing the exact same leopard print trousers as her – by Kirsty Mccormack – PUBLISHED: 08:27 GMT, 6 September 2012 | UPDATED: 11:19 GMT, 6 September 2012

Government mocking citizen freedoms indirectly? Or simple synchronicity?

She’s used to be being made up to model in front of the cameras but when it comes to everyday life, Bar Refaeli is just like any other ordinary woman.

The 27-year-old Israeli star was spotted shopping with friends in Barcelona, Spain, on Tuesday wearing a pair of leopard-print trousers – but she wasn’t the only one.

As she strolled down the street, Refaeli walked past a woman who appeared to be wearing the exact same trousers as her, and a matching top.

That’s embarrassing! Bar Refaeli passes a woman in the street in Barcelona who is wearing the same pair of leopard-print trousers as her

However, as the the blonde passed the woman in the street she either didn’t notice her or wasn’t bothered about the fact that they were dressed almost identically.

Refaeli went from store to store with the group, she looked happy and relaxed and was no doubt grateful that she had decided to wear flats.

She teamed the animal print garment with a black loose vest and diamante sandals while shielding her eyes with a pair of sunglasses.
Not alone: The model was joined by friends as she perused the shops

Not alone: The model was joined by friends as she perused the shops

Effortlessly cool: The blonde teamed her animal print trousers with a black vest and a trilby hat

She completed her look with a large tasseled bag, which she wore across her body, and a brown trilby hat.

As she wandered around in the Spanish sunshine, Refaeli visited shops such as Zara, Caroline Herrera, El Corte and several lingerie shops.

Perhaps the model was feeling ready to pose in underwear again after a nasty rash left her feeling not so flawless at the weekend.
Shady lady: The Israeli star accessorised with black sunglasses and a large tasseled bag

Shady lady: The Israeli star accessorised with black sunglasses and a large tasseled bag

Refaeli shared a photo with her 301,692 followers on Twitter that showed the top of her thighs looking rather red.

The photo was accompanied by the caption: ‘The price of surfing with out a wetsuit :(‘

Having fun: The model admitted via her Twitter page that she loves Barcelona

The Israeli model is often spotted on the beach in her free time, and is obviously having a great time in Barcelona after also tweeting: ‘I LUV it here!’

It seems she and her friends may have also done some sightseeing as well as some shopping on Tuesday as she also posted a photo of herself in front of a glass window with an amazing view of the city behind her.

Not so flawless: Refaeli tweeted this photo of a rash on her legs after she went surfing without wearing a wetsuit

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The government flexes muscles subtly. They are saying they know everything and can replace everyone potentially. The issue is how many voters are part of the Orwellian abusers and how many are not who can vote out all offending MPs who allow the SS/Cold War Era KGB alphabet bureaus to behave like this. Not mere coincidence but worse . . .

ARTICLE 9

Motorists who modify their cars could fail their MoT test under EU proposals. Motorists face EU ban from modifying cars – by David Millward, Transport Editor – 8:18PM BST 06 Sep 2012

The European Commission is drawing up plans for a “roadworthiness test” which would mean that all components had to conform with those which were on the car when it was first registered.

Motoring organisations have been warned by the Department for Transport that this “may prevent most modifications” and would apply to “many components and to all types of vehicle.”

It remained unclear last night whether this could extend to routine modifications such as fitting alloy wheels, for example, or bringing cars up to 21st century standards.

The move comes within months of the Government in Britain drawing up its own plans to exempt classic cars – those built before 1960 – from the MoT test altogether.

According to the latest official figures there are 162,000 cars on the road which are more than 50 years old, equivalent to 0.6 per cent of the total.

The Department for Transport believed that exempting them from the MoT was justified because classic cars were normally lovingly maintained and had a lower accident rate than newer models.

However according to the EU document “Vehicles of historic interest are supposed to conserve heritage of the époque they have been built”.

At the same time, the EU appears to believe that member states should be given the power to set their own standards for “specialised” vehicles, which is understood to include classic cars.

It is understood the DfT is seeking clarification of the EU plans which appear to make it impossible for owners of older cars to modify their vehicles to bring them up to modern safety standards.

Critics of the proposals described the EU plans as “unworkable”.

A DfT spokesman added: “We will challenge provisions that imply costs for Government, people or industry and seek to minimise these.

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Again oppression of freedom to modify one’s own property. What is wrong with the EU? A car’s modification reflects personality of the owner and helps prevent crime by making vehicles easily distinguishable. what oppress something so useful? Which ‘Hitler’ is sitting on that law making body for vehicles? Vehicular modification should be a free-for-all if anything.

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Vampire Skeletons Are Rising from Their Graves – by Sylvia Cochran | Butterfinger Barmageddon News Network – Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:55 PM EDT

Sozopol, a small town on the Bulgarian Black Sea coast, has become a Mecca for travelers with an interest in the supernatural, particularly vampire skeletons, Reuters reports.

Unearthing Vampire Remains

When archaeologists examined the ruins of a monastery in the area, they stumbled over two skeletons. The manner of burial suggests survivors of the deceased feared their return as vampires. The corpses were subsequently buried with rods through the chest — fastening them to the earth — in an effort to avoid the undead’s rising later. Vampire burials were not uncommon in Bulgaria or during the Middle Ages.

New Scientist reported in 2009 on the exhumation of an Italian skeleton purported to have belonged to a vampire. Falling victim to the plague during the Middle Ages, a woman was buried with a brick inserted in her mouth on Lazzaretto Nuovo Island. Authorities at the time believed that burying suspected vampires in this manner would prevent them from spreading the plague. Discovery News notes that medieval Ireland had a similar practice that nevertheless predated the plague’s advent. Unearthed remains there included two eighth-century skeletons that had large rocks forcibly inserted into their mouths prior to burial. It is unclear why the dead received this treatment. Scientists suggest that the corpses could have belonged to outcasts, individuals perceived as evil or local residents who died from an unknown illness.

Insurance against Vampirism

Researchers at New York’s SUNY Oneonta detail burial practices in Drawsko, Poland, where corpses of some children were buried with small coins placed on their bodies. These coins were thought to ward off evil spirits that would otherwise enter the bodies and reanimate the corpses. Risk factors for possession and reanimation included conception during a time consecrated by the church as holy, a relapse to nursing after complete weaning, the youngster’s rank in the birth order, and the presence of bodily deformities.

Could there be something to the Vampire Lore?

Is it possible that folks from the Middle Ages knew something we claim is not possible in modern society? Cornell University mathematicians took on the challenge to statistically prove or disprove the likelihood of vampires existing as a separate species. Considering the ease with which vampirism was thought to spread — hence the need for insurance or prevention — it makes sense that simple numbers would affirm or debunk the possibility of their existence. The researches arbitrarily assumed that the first vampire came to be in 1600 AD, fed once a month and turned its victim into another undead with the same characteristics. Taking into account census data for January 1, 1600, the number crunchers concluded that humankind would have been wiped out by June 1602.

Therefore, vampires cannot exist — if they follow the statistical model.

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Wrong. If a vampire feeds once a month, another undead would not be necessarily as smart as, or in a position to feed safely, will get caught, may starve to death, may be a good ‘faither’ and commit suicide, may simply dislike blood and unknowingly starve to death even while eating normally and die of organ failure . . . all of these reasons and a myriad of others (perhaps not having a heartbeat causes insanity and running amok to get killed) keeping numbers down even though immortal. That would mean that only 1% types could indulge a vampire lifestyle unaccounted for. That is why they have jails and death sentences. Everytime a death row inmate bites the dust, a meal is ready, blood collected, perhaps organs eaten etc.. Therefore, vampires can exist — nothing to do with the statistical model. This is of course a theory, but who knows that this is the case and that vampires are real?

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Jaguar Land Rover unveils new ‘super-green’ hybrid at star-studded gala – as car maker announces £370m investment in British factory – By Ray Massey, Transport Editor – PUBLISHED: 12:32 GMT, 6 September 2012 | UPDATED: 21:44 GMT, 6 September 2012

Firm announces multi-million pound plan to launch new motor
Cash will upgrade the luxury car maker’s Midlands factory
Stars like David and Victoria Beckham expected to snap up new model
Minister calls investment ‘vote of confidence in British manufacturing’

Once derided by environmental groups as the ultimate  gas-guzzling ‘Chelsea tractor’ Range Rover has cleaned up its act with its first ever super-green diesel-electric hybrid.

It aims to make the upmarket off-roader one of the cleanest and most fuel-efficient 4x4s  on the road and is part of a major new £370million investment announced by Jaguar Land Rover, and marked with a star-studded gala tonight attended by Olympic gold medalists Victoria Pendleton and Greg Rutherford, Zara Philips, comedian Jimmy Carr and more.

The car-maker says it is the first time such technology has been used on a ‘true’ all-terrain off-roader.

Rugged: The new Range Rover was put through its paces in the desert ahead of its gala launch

All-terrain: The car maker says it is the first time such technology has been used on a ‘true’ all-terrain off-roader

Plush: The interior of the new Range Rover

And bosses say it will offer drivers ‘a better Business Class experience than British Airways.’

Thanks to an  integral electric motor which boosts an already frugal new 3.0 litre  V6 turbo-charged diesel engine, the  luxury  4X4  will do  45 miles to the gallon and give out CO2 emissions as low as a family saloon. But it will still sprint rapidly from rest to 60mph in under seven seconds.

A serious weight-loss diet helped by an all-aluminium body and chassis has enabled it to shed 420kg –  the equivalent of five adult occupants – boosting fuel economy and reducing pollution levels.
Zara Phillips at the Range Rover event
Victoria Pendleton at the Range Rover event

Star-studded event: Zara Philips, left, attended the Range Rover gala in Richmond Park, as did her Team GB colleague and Olympic gold medalist Victoria Pendleton, right
Chemmy Alcott at Range Rover
Kelly Hoppen at Range Rover

Glamorous guests: Skier Chemmy Alcott, left, and interior designer Kelly Hoppen turned out in their finery

But its ‘green’ credentials don’t stop there. Half the lightweight but super-strong aluminium used in the car is recycled from nearly 29,000 drinks cans. And materials from 6,500 recycled plastic bottles are used in every vehicle to create components. It also has the latest ‘stop-start’ technology which cuts out the engine when it is idling to reduce fuel consumption and pollution.

And when it reaches the end of its life, some 85 per cent of the new Range Rover’s parts can be recycled.

Land Rover’s first ever ‘hybrid’ is part of the new fourth generation Range Rover line-up which  was given a celebrity rock-star reception tonight at a special gala launch in London’s Richmond Park on a day which saw  Jaguar Land Rover and Honda announce new investments totalling nearly £700million  in their British factories.

Dire Straits pop musician and Range Rover owner  Mark Knopfler was leading the celebrations with  a concert to  500 guests including model Jodie Kidd and TV presenter Ferne Cotton.

The launch  also coincided with a slight rise in UK car sales during August as the export-led motor industry again bucked the dismal economic trend.
Zara Philips and Mike Tindall at Land Rover event
Kirstie Allsopp at Range Rover gala

High profile fans: Zara Philips is pictured left with her husband, rugby star Mike Tindall, at the event, which was also attended by TV presenter Kirstie Allsopp, right

The Range Rover hybrid features  a new 3.0litre  V6 turbo-charged diesel engine  linked to an electric motor and battery. The system  captures motion energy generated when the car brakes and decelerates, stores it I the battery, and the release it to power the electric motor. This will either boost the diesel engine, or allow the car to travel under electric power only, to reduce fuel consumption and pollution.

Land Rover design director Gerry McGovern  said the luxurious interior would offer an executive ‘business class’ experience: ‘When you think of Business Class you tend to think of British Airways. This is better than BA’

‘Luxurious’: The interior is designed to offer an executive ‘business class’ experience, according to design director Gerry McGovern

Icy conditions: The new model Range Rover is pictured tackling snow and ice

Conventional engines will also be offered on the range: the new and frugal  3.0 litre V6 diesel engine that will still manage 37 mpg on its own without the electric motor support;  a 4.4 litre V8 diesel, and a powerful 5.0 litre supercharged V8  petrol  engine  that will propel it from rest to 60mph  in just 5.4 seconds.

Jaguar land Rover  bosses  said the firm was ‘firing on all cylinders’ and pledged a big expansion of Land Rover models and sales as it  embarks on ‘ambitious plans’ to ‘broaden’ its 4X4 footprint around the world.

The cash injection is to upgrade Land Rover’s factory at Solihull in the West Midlands.

Order books for the fourth-generation Range Rover begin this month for deliveries in January of the up-market off-roader whose prices will start from £71,295 rising to around £100,000.

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Such media promotion lies . . . this so-called ‘super-green’ car is just ‘semi-green’ :

1) quasi-green  (75% to 50% non-recyclable AND *only* using fossil fuels) OR entirely non-recyclable and using solar or full green energy without fossil fuel (like those mostly plastic based solar cars)
2) semi-green 15% non-recyclable AND using fossil fuels only
3) 3/4 very-green (15% non-recyclable AND using DUAL fossil fuel/solar powered
4) full-green (100% recyclable AND without using fossil fuels using ONLY solar power – even if the vehicle is twice as long with 75% covered by solar panels . . . )
5) super-green ‘THE REAL’ *SUPER GREEN*, should be a vehicle that is :        i) constructed from non-mine based materials (like wood for bodywork panels and even chassis, and 100% lacquer windows
ii) which ALSO uses clean energy to process the materials (i.e. no machines or electricity, all manpower based)
iii) is 100% recyclable (not 85%)
iv) 100% organic, and
v) *entirely fossil fuel free
vi) WITHOUT a single non-organic/chemical/artificial man-made component (i.e. no polymer infused rubbers etc..)

ARTICLE 12

Rape victim gets 4 years for killing man – by Guo Kai (Global Times) – 13:45, September 12, 2012

A young woman, who was sentenced to four years in prison after she stabbed to death an older man who sexually assaulted her, has many netizens on her side while some experts suggest she went too far and got what she deserves.

The Guangzhou Intermediate People’s Court, Guangdong Province, Monday sentenced Xuan Xiaoqi, 19, for intentional homicide for killing Yang Jinyuan, according to media reports.

On May 28 last year, Xuan went to the Guangzhou railway station, where she met Yang, who was over 50 and worked as a porter, the Guangzhou-based New Express reported.

Xuan bought a ticket for Xiamen, Fujian Province, for next day, but had little money for a hotel room that night. Yang invited her to stay at his apartment in the city’s Yuexiu district.

Xuan told police that Yang sexually assaulted her and threatened to kill her if she tried to leave. Xuan grabbed a knife and planned to use it to “frighten Yang.”

Yang persisted with his assault, and during their scuffle Xuan first stabbed the man on his clavicle. When Yang tried to wrestle the knife away, the woman received a leg wound. She was able to regain control of the knife and stabbed Yang’s chest, neck and head. After Yang fell to the floor, Xuan continued to stab Yang until he stopped moving.

The court found that Xuan was justified in defending herself but committed intentional homicide by continuing to stab Yang after he fell to the ground.

Most online comments feel the sentence was too heavy and believe the woman had the right to defend herself. Some said her four-year sentence was incomprehensible.

A Chinese netizen “acesage” argued that people have to be law experts to know when they are protected by law and when they are breaking it.

Some law experts, who support the court, said that the woman was initially justified in defending herself but stabbing the man after he fell constituted an intention to kill him.

“When the man was unable to continue his attack, she attacked him,” Qu Xinjiu, a criminal law professor with the China University of Political Science and Law, told the Global Times.

However, Chen Tao, a lawyer with the Criminal Law Committee of the Beijing Lawyers Association, said the sentence was too heavy as Xuan could not judge whether Yang could still attack her, adding that Xuan should have been given a suspended sentence.

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A rape for a rape. A life for a life. To kill for rape is inequitable. The family members of the murder victim who raped have a right to take the life of the killer. The rapist could be raped back or done something equally unpleasant as rape at most. 4 years is extreme lenience, emotional losses notwithstanding though the final decision should lie with the family of the deceased.

ARTICLE 13

BREAKING NEWS: What Taco Bell calls beef may not actually be beef – Posted by drocolate on January 25th, 2011

 

Taco Bell ‘Beefiness’ Lawsuit Dropped . . . http://www.newser.com/tag/20194/1/false-advertising.html . . . they WERE lying after all! So what kind of FDA or watchdog or DNA testers do we need to go around confirming if what we eat is real or non-GMO?

This is an exciting story so I’m going to launch right into it. I’m so proud of Alabama, and I don’t feel that way very often.

A law firm in Montgomery, Alabama called Beasley Allen recently filed a lawsuit against fast food giant Taco Bell claiming that the beef in their products is not technically beef at all. The lawsuit claims that the beef in your fourth meal Chalupa is only 36% ground beef, which falls under the USDA beef requirement of 40%.

Now, before I move on, I want that to sink in. The USDA has created a standard for what qualifies as “real meat” in our country and that standard is a paltry (not poultry) 40%. And according to some brave litigators in Bama, Taco Bell is somehow missing this extremely low mark.

It’s like Taco Bell is a nine-foot-tall dude who can’t dunk. It’s ridiculous.

Beasley Allen goes on in their lawsuit to say that the beef is not meat at all but should actually be called “taco meat filling” instead. The law firm is setting out to either force Taco Bell to increase their beefishness levels or stop dropping the B word when describing their offerings.

Obviously, Taco Bell is not cool with this because who wants to eat something called the “Seasoned Taco Meat Filling Grilled Stuft (their spelling, not mine) Burrito”? Well, actually I’m sure some people would still eat it.

We do live in a post-Double Down world after all.
My recent history with Taco Bell.

This is as good a time as any to recount my most recent Taco Bell visit, and the events that followed it.

Let me warn my readers that if you have a weak stomach you may want to close this window now. If you’re not a little bitch, however, then read on.

A few months ago, on the day before my birthday, I decided to grab some Taco Bell for dinner. I was on my way to  meet some friends and I wanted to get a quick meal in me before the night kicked off. I ordered a Mexican Pizza and two Taco Supremes (or would that be Tacos Supreme?). All three of these items contained a hearty amount of …uhhhh… beef. I ate them and felt satisfied.

But then the night moved forward.

And as it did I noticed some discomfort in my tummy. The Taco Bell didn’t seem to be digesting. Instead it felt as though it were growing steadily. Imagine eating a football whole. That’s what it felt like.

A few hours went by and my health continued to plummet. Finally, I said goodbye to my friends and switched my focus to getting home and sleeping off whatever Taco Bell demons I had absorbed. I got in my car and set a course for my humble abode.

Unfortunately, the taco meat filling in my stomach had other plans.

About five minutes after leaving my friends the pain in my gut became so great that I had to pull over for fear that I might pass out. As soon as I pulled the car over and turned it off my body took that as a cue to evacuate all of the contents of my stomach. Thankfully, the first burst was a dry heave. This gave me ample time to swing the door open and get out.

That’s when I ruined my shoes.

I don’t think I need to get into the details so I’ll just say that I puked. A lot. And after puking I felt magically better. It was as though I had swallowed some poison and HAD to get it out of my body by any means necessary to continue living.

My personal opinion since then has been that Taco Bell equals poison. So today, when two friends sent me a link to this story I knew I had to report on it. It was my duty, as both a citizen journalist AND a fake beef consumption victim.

Oh, and one final fun note about this tale: When I got back into my car, sporting vomit soaked white Vans (Mmmmm…) and uber-halitosis I looked over at the clock and it read 12:04.

Vomiting on the side of the road was the first thing I had done on my birthday.
So, what now?

Beasley Allen is holding strong on their lawsuit, despite threats from Taco Bell of a countersuit. And since this story hit the Web today they are bound to get A LOT more attention now than they may have ever bargained for.

But I want to go beyond the lawsuit. I want to know what’s actually in this taco meat filling.

Taco Bell claims that in addition to their seasoned beef they use food “extenders” like water, Isolated Oat Product, wheat oats, maltodrextrin, soy lecithin, anti-dusting agent, autolyzed yeast extract, modified corn starch, sodium phosphate and silicon dioxide.

Doesn’t that just make your stomach growl?

But all of those extenders are in there in addition to a beef percentage Taco Bell claims is at 40%. But what if it’s actually at 36%, as the lawsuit claims?

What the hell is that 4%?

Here are my official guesses:

Styrofoam BBs
Asbestos
Shredded pieces of marketing and/or creative briefs (cause there’s no way the advertising agencies that put out shit like THIS ever used either)
Horse feces
Minced bits of unsold Gorditas from the previous week
Dog
Mexican cartel murder victims (where do you think they all disappear to? Think about it.)

I invite you to enter your own guesses in the comments below. And please don’t eat at Taco Bell. Smoke a cigarette instead. You just might live longer, and you’ll vomit less.
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That should probably be the case for all other fast food franchise foods as well. Maybe the chicken is made from reconstituted bone and 60% filler meat as well, coated in ‘edible’ plastic ‘crispy’ ‘chicken skin’ . . .

ARTICLE 14

Fifty Shades of Sears? Retail giant’s nipple slip-up just months after American Family Association slams ‘sexually-explicit products’ – PUBLISHED: 15:20 GMT, 12 September 2012 | UPDATED: 15:43 GMT, 12 September 2012

Exposed: A racy image showing a woman in a purple lingerie slip with her nipple exposed on the Sears website has added to a growing backlash against the retail giant

Racy product: An woman in a lingerie slip with her nipple exposed on the Sears website has added to a backlash against the retail giant

A racy image showing a woman in a purple lingerie slip with her nipple exposed on the Sears website has been republished by amused internet forum users, adding to a growing backlash against the retail giant.

The embarrassed department store quickly removed the product, which was filed under its Exotic Apparel, and Lingerie and Sets sections for $25.99, however not fast enough for users to take screen grabs of the original link.

While reactions from users swayed from nostalgic amusement over old Sears catalogues, to outraged consumers who found the ‘inappropriate’ material offensive, the nudity slip-up comes just months after the American Family Association accused the retail giant of ‘selling smut.’

While many family-oriented commenters have shown their outrage, several customers, both male and female, have said they find it ‘refreshing’ that the sheer lingerie product was shown accurately as being see-through.

One male user wrote: ‘I hate it when they airbrush out the nipples. I accidentally bought something that was see-through for my girlfriend and she was less than amused and did not believe it was an accident.

‘I didn’t know “sheer” was, I thought it meant smooth or something to do with wind sheer,’ he added.

Another female user wrote: ‘I always have to wonder why we think nudity is such a big deal. It’s a breast, half the world has them.

‘It really just goes over my head as to why (specifically in the U.S.) we are cool with graphic depictions of death and torture (eg Saw) but a video with two people having sex is totally unacceptable. It boggles my mind every time.’

The offending lingerie slip is not actually a Sears product however, it came from a reseller named Fright Depot.

Sears, which uses the same concept as other e-commerce sites like Amazon, allows marketplace sellers to list their own stock through the department store’s website.

One user explained: ‘I seem to recall something inappropriate [from a reseller] with Dora the Explorer popping up a few months back.’

And according to the American Family Association, Sears has been selling ‘giant posters of total nud**y’ under its home section of Wall Decor and Art, as well as books on bestiality and pedophilia, from outside vendors.

The Association wrote: ‘Generations of Americans have grown up with Sears, through the catalogs, retail stores and, of late, website. But a family organization now is raising a protest because alongside the appliance, electronics, jewelry and fitness categories… one line of items for sale features explicit nudity.’
Embarrassed: The department store quickly removed the product, which was filed under its Exotic Apparel, and Lingerie and Sets sections for $25.99, however not fast enough for users to take screen grabs of the original link

Embarrassed: The department store quickly removed the product, which was filed under its Exotic Apparel, and Lingerie and Sets sections for $25.99, however not fast enough for users to take screen grabs of the original link

After a ‘Sears Action Alert’ from the AFA and One Million Moms (the group who loudly spoke out against recent gay marriage advocacy ads from JC Penney and Forever 21), Sears apparently assured it was updating filtering equipment and enforcing strict guidelines to prevent sexually explicit products being available on its website.

However Monica Cole, the director of One Million Moms, wrote in July this year: ‘Less than two months after Sears’ latest promise in May 2012, the pornography has returned. Sears continues to offend their customers with nudity in ads for the posters they sell and the naughty lingerie.’

After customers complained directly to Sears in July, they were told that the offending items were being removed. A customer service email response said, ‘Our agreements with our vendors prohibit content that is pornographic or sexually explicit in nature.

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That advert is so unsexual. Also everyone has nipples, whats so sexual about an obviously aesthetic female nipple (there are also less than aesthetic ones that can cause offense and should not be exposed) in this discrimination free, gender equality normalised day? Is the male or female version any different? How the person poses the organs and the expression is more important. THIS is a static picture of a healthy and sexually viable female adult in a demure mood. Whats happened to all the people in England?  Fundo got them? One spanking by a school marm too many? Look at the nudists AND the smaller types of bikini. Only fundos or prudes would take offense at this advert. Either self control too weak, or just socialised into body negativism. Looking at healthy bodies of people posing alone AND clothed (skimpy is still clothed, not even nude!), Lingerie adverts are not the same as sexual acts, which should have their own allotted areas as well being so popular among the younger and more adventurous and sexual set. Actually strippers at pole clubs are not really even sexual, being a ‘no touching’ sort of entertainment.

ARTICLE 15

Staff and crew of film that ridiculed Muslims say they were ‘grossly misled’ – by Moni Basu and Tom Watkins, CNN – September 13, 2012 — Updated 1504 GMT (2304 HKT)

 

US Embassy in Egypt

NEW: “This makes me sick to my stomach,” actress says
Casting call advertisement describes the movie as an “adventure film”
A Florida pastor who burned a Quran says he was asked to distribute the film

(CNN) — The 80 cast and crew members involved in the making of the movie that has roiled much of the Islamic world said Wednesday they were “grossly misled” about its intent and expressed sorrow over the resulting violence.

“The entire cast and crew are extremely upset and feel taken advantage of by the producer,” they said in a statement to CNN about the movie, “Innocence of Muslims.”

“We are 100% not behind this film and were grossly misled about its intent and purpose,” continued the statement, which was sent to CNN by a member of the production staff who asked not to be identified for security reasons. “We are shocked by the drastic rewrites of the script and lies that were told to all involved. We are deeply saddened by the tragedies that have occurred.”

Mystery swirls around anti-Islam film

Four Americans, including U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens, were killed Tuesday in Libya amid a regional furor over the film, which mocks Islam’s prophet.

A casting call published in July 2011 in Backstage magazine and in other publications for actors identifies the working title of the movie as “Desert Warrior” and describes it as a “historical Arabian Desert adventure film.”

An actress in the film who asked not to be identified said the original script did not include a Prophet Muhammed character. She added that she and other actors complained that their lines had been changed.

The actress said she spoke Wednesday with the producer, who is identified in the advertisement as Sam Bassiel. “He said he wrote the script because he wants the Muslims to quit killing,” she said. “I had no idea he was doing all this.”
Attack on the U.S. Consulate in Libya Attack on the U.S. Consulate in Libya
Obama, Romney spar over Libya response
Questions surround incendiary Islam film
Feinstein: I think this is premeditated

“I would never be involved in a film to ever hurt or bring harm to anybody,” she told CNN. “This makes me sick to my stomach to think that I was involved in that movie that brought death to somebody else.”

The actress said the character of Muhammed in the movie was identified as George when it was shot, and that she returned afterward and read other lines that may have been dubbed into the piece.

YouTube restricts video access over Libyan violence

A member of the production staff who worked directly on the film and has a copy of the original script corroborated the actor’s account, adding that it mentions neither Muhammed nor Islam.

The Wall Street Journal identified the filmmaker as Sam Bacile, an Israeli-American real estate developer. The Journal reported that, in its telephone interview with Bacile, he characterized his film as “a political effort to call attention to the hypocrisies of Islam.”

“Islam is a cancer,” he told the newspaper. “The movie is a political movie. It’s not a religious movie.”

CNN has not been able to contact Bacile and cannot verify that he made the movie. A CNN search of public records on Sam Bacile came up empty.

Israel’s Foreign Ministry said it doesn’t know who Bacile is.

Reaction: Libya, West condemn killing

“This guy is totally anonymous. At this point no one can confirm he holds Israeli citizenship and even if he did we are not involved,” ministry spokesman Yigal Palmor said. “No Israeli institution, government department or office has any involvement in this. This guy acted on his own behalf.”

In Egypt and Libya, mobs targeted U.S. missions and blamed America for the film. In the end, Stevens and three other Americans in the Libyan city of Benghazi were dead, although it was not clear whether that attack was solely incited by the film.

Consultant Steve Klein told CNN he worked with Bacile on the movie and said the filmmaker had gone into hiding.
McCain: ‘Their enemies are our enemies’

Wolf Blitzer reports on deaths in Libya

“He’s very depressed, and he’s upset,” Klein said Wednesday. “I talked to him this morning, and he said that he was very concerned for what happened to the ambassador.”

Klein, however, said it was not the film’s fault that protests had turned bloody.

Casting further doubt on the filmmaker’s identity, The Atlantic quoted Klein as saying Sam Bacile is a pseudonym and “he did not know Bacile’s real name.” CNN could not immediately reach Klein for his response to that report.

An online trailer for the film depicts Islam as a fraudulent religion bent on getting rid of nonbelievers.

Cartoonish scenes show Muhammed as a womanizer, child molester and ruthless killer. Other scenes show security forces ordered to do nothing as rampaging Muslims destroy Christian homes, and a donkey anointed the first Muslim animal.

Many Muslims find any depiction of Muhammed to be offensive — a Danish newspaper’s publication in 2005 of Mohammed caricatures triggered riots — and derogatory depictions of the prophet are considered by some to be worse.

“The film is offensive to the prophet and immoral,” said Egyptian Prime Minister Hashem Kandil. “We call on the great people of Egypt to exercise restraint when expressing their anger.”

Muslim sensitivities around Prophet Mohammed

The prime minister called on the United States to take legal action against the makers of the film, though it was not clear that it violates any U.S. law.

According to The Wall Street Journal, Bacile said he raised $5 million from about 100 Jewish donors to make the two-hour movie in California last year. Based on the trailer, the movie appears to have been produced on a low budget.

The movie, which was posted in July on YouTube, got more notice after Egyptian television recently aired segments and anti-Islam activists, including Egyptian-born Coptic Christian Morris Sadek, promoted it online.

Terry Jones, the Florida pastor whose Quran-burning last year sparked deadly riots in Afghanistan, said he had been contacted to help distribute the film.

“The film is not intended to insult the Muslim community, but it is intended to reveal truths about Muhammed that are possibly not widely known,” Jones said.

“It is very clear that God did not influence him (Muhammed) in the writings of the Quran,” said Jones, who went on to blame Muslims’ fear of criticism for the protests, rather than the film.

Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, called Jones on Wednesday to ask him to withdraw his support for the film, according to Col. David Lapan, Dempsey’s spokesman.

“Jones’ support of the film risks causing more violence and death,” Lapan said.

Tensions mounted Wednesday as the United States deployed Marines to Libya.

Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood — the former party of Egyptian President Mohamed Morsy — has called for peaceful protests against the film on Friday, Islam’s day of religious observance.

In Afghanistan, the Taliban charged that the movie was made with the permission of the U.S. government. The First Amendment prohibits the government from interfering with free expression.

President Hamid Karzai condemned the film as abhorrent and an act of desecration. “There could be many deaths once news of this video and Pastor Terry Jones’ comments get out,” said Karzai’s deputy spokesman.

The issue is sensitive in Afghanistan, where throngs of people this year protested NATO’s burning of Qurans at Bagram Airfield. U.S. President Barack Obama said the act was unintentional, but the uproar nonetheless was huge.

In America, a Muslim advocacy group called the movie “trashy” and said its producers represented neither the United States nor the Christian faith.

“We urge that this ignorant attempt to provoke the religious feelings of Muslims in the Arabic-speaking world be ignored and that its extremist producers not be given the cheap publicity they so desperately seek,” said the Council on American-Islamic Relations.

Facebook sprouted several pages dedicated to condemning the film, including one called “Israelis, Jews & Americans Against Sam Bacile’s ‘Innocence of Muslims’ Film.”

A post on that page simply said: “IM-Bacile.”

Witnessing protests in Libya or Egypt? Share your photos on CNN iReport.

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The Muslims should have made an equally stinging documentary in response. This only gives the West an excuse to brand Muslims as violent uncivilised people instead of artful ‘Film-Fighters’. What more the embassy which us internationally neutral and Christopher Stevens and three other Americans who died but were not responsible in any way though probably supportive, worsens the indictment. All involved should think about the family of the deceased, and try to make amends if that is even possible. Meanwhile the only retaliation here can only be in like kind – a film in response, not uncivilised mobs, violence and murder.

A life for a life, a film for a film, and now the Muslims owe ‘the West’ even more, ruined the reputation of Islam even more, if this is even spontaneous and not a CIA subversion plot where the members of the diplomatic corps were sacrificed to make Muslims look bad . . . Muslims should consider the spaces for non-Muslims and to practice some self control. If God and God’s law means so much, then ‘4 lives of UN treaty protected people AND a burnt embassy (a undefilable bastion of civilisation) for a mere film.’ is a sin and damning act for sure. Unjustifiable and inequitable! Don’t Muslims think things through before acting? The West attacks with films, Muslims kill and burn embassies. Who’s the barbarian? Who thinks Hudud amputations are civilised? Little wonder the rampant Islamophobia, is this what the Prophet wanted?

ARTICLE 16

Naked Rambler jailed AGAIN as Scottish court brands him ‘self-indulgent and arrogant’ for refusing to get dressed and go back to England – By Larisa Brown and Sam Adams – PUBLISHED: 14:03 GMT, 13 September 2012 | UPDATED: 15:33 GMT, 13 September 2012

Stephen Gough found guilty of breaching the peace after strolling naked near swing park where children were playing
Arrest in July came just three days after he had been freed from prison in Perth, 30 miles to the north
Former marine remained naked throughout his trial at Kirkcaldy Sheriff’s Court in Fife
He has been jailed for five months for breaching the peace

Naked Rambler Stephen Gough – who has spent years in solitary confinement in a Scottish jail – was branded arrogant and self-indulgent by a sheriff after refusing to get dressed and go home to England.

Gough, from Hampshire, was brought into a draughty courtroom naked but for a pair of handcuffs today to be quizzed on why he had refused social work and psychiatric help.

The ex-marine was jailed for five months at Kirkcaldy Sheriff’s Court, Fife, for committing a breach of the peace.

Gough arrives at John O’ Groats in 2004 after completing a 900-mile walk naked. Over the course of the journey Gough was arrested numerous times

He was found guilty of the offence last month after strolling naked near a swing park where children were playing in Dunfermline, also in Fife, and refusing to put on clothes.

Sentence had been deferred for social workers to assess whether he needed psychiatric intervention.

His arrest in July came just three days after he had been freed from prison in Perth, 30 miles to the north, after spending six years in solitary for previous offences involving nakedness.
Gough, 53, who insists he is not a naturist and claims his naked rambles are ‘a protest,’ was initially removed from the dock after only five minutes when he refused to sit down so his privates were hidden by the wooden dock.

He said: ‘I just want to be treated like anybody else.’

After he was brought back in, and agreed to sit, the court heard he had refused to meet social workers and so no assessment was available.

Prosecutor Brian Robertson said the Crown was prepared to help him go back to England if he co-operated.

Mr Robertson said: ‘The authorities are prepared to facilitate his return home if his behaviour doesn’t cause alarm to the public.’

Pictured behind bars in the nude: Gough leaving Kirkcaldy Sheriff Court in July. He decided to represent himself rather than have a solicitor at his trial

Determined: Gough (pictured here with his girlfriend Melanie Roberts) has been jailed for five months for committing a breach of the peace

Sheriff James Williamson told Gough, who has refused legal representation, said that he was concerned that he had not met or co-operated with social workers drawing up the background report ordered.

The sheriff said: ‘Will you meet with them and assist them?’

When Gough responded, ‘No, not really’, Sheriff Williamson said he had been left with no choice but to jail him for five months.

The sentence was backdated until July 20th, the date of his arrest, meaning Gough will be freed again before Christmas.

If he wins 50 percent time off for good behaviour – unlikely unless he drops his protest – he could be out in three weeks.

He is likely to serve his sentence in Edinburgh’s tough Saughton Prison.

Sheriff Williamson told Gough he realised his motives for refusing to get dressed were not ‘sinister,’ but slammed him for his refusal to co-operate with the preparation of a social background report.

He said: ‘I had hoped it [the report] would assist me in dealing with you without sending you back to prison – but you leave me no choice.

‘The police officers who arrested you told you that if you carried on your journey you would pass a playground occupied by children.

Unshaven: Gough pictured in July as he arrived at Kirkcaldy Sheriff Court after being arrested for walking around naked

‘You were given three options – one, change direction, two, cover your private parts, or three, enter a police van which would take you around the playpark and release you on your way at the other side.

‘Despite that, you refused, which showed disregard for other members of the public, in particular children who have the right not to see naked men.

‘It shows arrogance.

‘That self-indulgence carries on today.

‘I have no other alternative option but to impose a custodial sentence.’

Gough, of Chamberlain Road, Eastleigh, Hampshire, now has 18 convictions for nakedness.

He first achieved notoriety during a naked walk from Land’s End to John O’Groats in 2003.

He went on to be repeatedly arrested and jailed for walking naked, and refusing to get dressed.

He had tasted only minutes of freedom – usually being re-arrested at the prison gates for being naked – until his release from on July 17th.

Earlier this month Gough’s former partner Alison Ward, the mother to his two children, Kiana, 16 and Yarin, 14, said she could not comprehend why he had given up family life, and knowing his children, simply to walk around naked.

She said: ‘I don’t think Steve is a bad person, but he’s made bad decisions.

‘I feel very sad for him, for what he’s given up.

‘He lost his relationship with me. He has two beautiful children who are a real joy, but he hasn’t been a father to them.

‘The price he’s paid for his determination to go naked is too high.

‘When I told Steve, ‘You can’t see the kids if you’re going to go naked’, he said, ‘Right, I won’t see them.

‘He chose his cause over his children and he’s continued to do so.’

A Crown Office spokesman said: ‘The actions of the accused made his arrest and prosecution necessary.

‘Mr Gough intentionally caused shock and alarm to children and their parents.

‘The evidence in this case clearly established that despite repeated police requests not to do so, he was determined to deliberately walk naked past a busy children’s play-park in Fife.

‘He knew that in doing so he would provoke anger and upset.

The sheriff held that his conduct constituted the crime of breach of the peace.’

The spokesman said the police had gone to great lengths to to preven further offences being committed by Mr Gough.

‘For example,’ he said, ‘on release from HMP Edinburgh in 2007, police officers offered to take Gough to an address of his choosing in Yorkshire.

‘Although he originally agreed to go with them, he changed his mind and attempted to walk from the prison along the A71 when he was arrested again.

‘The authorities are prepared to facilitate his return home providing his behaviour does not, as in the current case, cause public alarm and necessitate arrest to protect the public.

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Zoning please, or at least exile/restrict-residence this Gough character to a nudist colony.

Okay. To prevent some far sweaty psycho, or sick rich kid from killing out of boredom, would any of the post millenial scene kids be willing to play the part of fetish victim for a 401K? This should be under clear contracts with legal   protections, social awareness AND acceptance, etc.. Same for the would be pedos and their ‘child impersonator’ escorts and madams as detailed above. Wealth distribution buyr not at extreme levels yet preventive of psychosis at some level or other. A single fetish/porn personae is a lightning rod for negatuve energies to the power of many times.

The psychiatric establishment should look at organic methods, not drugging into oblivion which will instead discharge that energy into the astral/ethereal or ionosphere(quakes and tornadoes!), instead of some simple (albeit) ‘not for everyone’, acrivities like bdsm or RLD or what not. The universe is diverse, and man’s activity is impossible to contain in a Victorian/fundo setting without offending the Universe and OTHER inhabitants across the dimensions of time and reality. Consent between 2 individuals OVERIDES ANY AND ALL *MANMADE* LAWS by others who do not know or will never understand the individuals involved. This is the spirit of law basis behind the LGBT Rights or BDSM Rights or even ‘Consensual Cannibal/Consensual-Prey’ Rights activity that must be understood or that energy will destroy the planet in time, if not attract very angry and powerful entities or who knows space faring races. Those who cannot reconcile ALL AND SUNDRY, much less make biased and narrow 3rd world communal value judgments on others sentients and sapients, have no business administering at any level in government much less write a single law, or be a judge in any court.

ARTICLE 17

School offering ‘professional instruction’ in prostitution will stay open, prosecutors rule – By Jill Reilly – PUBLISHED: 12:39 GMT, 15 September 2012 | UPDATED: 12:41 GMT, 15 September 2012

Venture College of Prostitution

For €100, students are taught the history of the world’s oldest profession and how to use erotic toys
Venture has attracted much criticism in the predominantly Catholic country

A Spanish firm offering a professional course in prostitution which it says ‘guarantees a job offer on graduation,’ has survived its first legal challenge to be closed down.

For €100, students are taught the history of the world’s oldest profession, how to use erotic toys and the most popular positions contained within the Kama Sutra.

The school began advertising the course in May, but within weeks the Valencian regional government filed a case with prosecutors, alleging that the school promoted prostitution, which is illegal in Spain

Aspirational? The Spanish advertisement promoting courses in prostitution

‘They know what they are getting into’ says course instructor Brandon has been running the one-week course for eight years

But yesterday prosecutors said there was not any evidence that a criminal offence had been committed because advertisements for students did not promote prostitution, constitute fraud and were not aimed at minors, reported The Times.

The venture has attracted much criticism in the predominantly Catholic country, with many saying it is the wrong way to tempt cash-strapped Spaniards back into work.

But the Valencian firm, which flooded the city’s university campus with promotional flyers, says it will make the trade safer.

It will also ensure budding sex-workers will not fall foul of the law, with in depth descriptions of the industry’s laws and how to work around them.

Brandon, who has run the one-week course for eight years, said: ‘They will know what they are getting in to.
C99K9H Prostitute in a car park close to the customer’s car

World’s oldest trade: The Valencian firm, which flooded the city’s university campus with promotional flyers, says it will make the trade safer

‘Prostitution is a career that many people live off from day to day, whether they are single or have a partner.’

He added that 95 people, from the age of 19 to 45, had signed up to the diploma – which takes up two hours each day.

And, once they graduate, they receive their first job offer – to become a teacher in the ‘school’ where they can help in practical classes.

What they learn in the series of theory and practical classes will enable them to ‘earn a lot of money, very easily and quickly’, according to the ABC newspaper.

Esther Lopez Barcelo, a United Left MP in Valencia, said the party was considering appealing the ruling.

Sex is a multibillion-pound industry in Spain, with colourfully lit brothels staffed mainly by poor immigrant women from Latin America, Africa and eastern Europe lining highways throughout the country.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2203666/School-offering-professional-instruction-prostitution-stay-open-prosecutors-rule.html

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This school needs to set up franchises/branches in adult industry law friendly, RLD friendly countries which is any first world country. Instead of looking at these people as ‘weird; or ‘odd’, an advocate of sex positivism and sexual diversity, one ‘Mr Tashiro’ said: ‘People have different ways of gratifying themselves and enriching their lives. Having tolerance for diversity is a good thing.’ ‘In the U.S., we tend to culturally talk less openly about sexual activity, especially when it falls outside the normal range of sexual behavior,‘ he added.

While those who view themselves as different ‘tend to keep it to themselves,’ they are far more open when researchers ask anonymously. ‘There really is a great range,’ he said.

Sextember airs Sundays at 9 ET on Discovery Fit and Health

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/sexual-diversity-revealed-sextember-stories/story?id=17208021

‘Sadistic and surpassed belief’: Evil pair jailed for MINIMUM of 55 years for torturing 15-year-old boy to death after accusing him of being a witch – by Amy Oliver – Created 1:05 PM on 5th March 2012

In better judgments, England, Justice, taxpayer funds on March 7, 2012 at 4:40 pm

Eric Bikubi ordered to serve at least 30 years and Maglie Bamu a minimum of 25 years
Bikubi told Kristy and siblings to jump out of the window to see if they could fly during abuse
Judge says the belief in witchcraft, however genuine, could not be an excuse
Judge agrees the couple also attacked Kristy’s sisters but would not pass separate sentences
Kristy’s father Pierre said his son died in ‘unimaginable circumstances at the hands of people he loved and trusted’

A couple were today jailed for life for the ‘sadistic’ torture and drowning a teenage boy they accused of being a witch.

Kristy Bamu, 15, died on Christmas day 2010 after suffering four days of horrific abuse at the hands of his sister Magalie, 29, and her partner, Eric Bikubi, 28, in their flat in Newham, east London.

The pair used weapons including a metal bar, hammer, chisel, pliers and even heavy ceramic floor tiles to inflict 130 injuries on Kristy, after he refused to say he was a witch.

Jailed: Eric Bikubi, left, and his partner Magalie Bamu, right, were both jailed for life today for the horrific torture of Magalie’s brother Kristy, which led to his death

Jailed: Eric Bikubi, left, and his partner Magalie Bamu, right, were both jailed for life today for the horrific torture of Magalie’s brother Kristy, which led to his death

The teenager eventually drowned in the bath in front of his four terrified siblings as Bikubi hosed them down with freezing water in an abhorrent ‘cleansing’ ritual.

Football coach Bikubi and Magalie were found guilty of murder at the Old Bailey last week.
Today Bikubi was ordered to serve at least 30 years and Bamu a minimum of 25 years.

Sentencing, Judge David Paget told the couple the case was particularly serious and involved sadistic behaviour.

‘It was prolonged torture involving metal and physical suffering being inflicted before death,’ he said adding: ‘I am in no doubt that this murder did involve a sadistic element.’

He told Bikubi that he accepted his mental damage may have made him more inclined to believe Kristy was a witch and a threat to the young child of the family.

Victim: 15-year-old Kristy Bamu, pictured left with a friend, suffered 130 injuries after being hit with an arsenal of weapons including broken ceramic floor tiles

But added: ‘The belief in witchcraft, however genuine, cannot excuse an assault to another person, let alone the killing of another human being.’

He told Magalie he did not accept her denial of belief in witchcraft and that she was forced to attack Kristy by Bikubi.

‘It is only explicable if you shared Eric Bikubi’s belief. It provides some explanation for what happened, but it does not excuse it,’ he told her.

Judge Paget said the couple had also attacked Kristy’s sisters but he would not pass separate sentences for that.

In court: Kelly Bamu, pictured on the witness stand, said Kristy asked for forgiveness. ‘He asked again and again,’ she said, adding ‘Magalie did absolutely nothing. She didn’t give a damn’

In court: Kelly Bamu, pictured on the witness stand, said Kristy asked for forgiveness. ‘He asked again and again,’ she said, adding ‘Magalie did absolutely nothing. She didn’t give a damn’

He added: ‘The ordeal they were subjected to almost surpasses belief.’

Kristy had come to London from Paris with his two brothers and two sisters to spend the festive season with Magalie.

But things turned sour when Kristy wet himself and the couple, who were said to be obsessed with witchcraft known as kindoki in their native Democratic Republic of Congo, accused him of witchcraft.

Bikubi, a heavily-built sportsman, accused the teenager of trying to control another child in the house and of orchestrating a series of unlucky events, the court had heard.

He punched, kicked and headbutted his victim before beating him with a metal weight-lifting bar ‘as hard as he could’ and knocking out his teeth with a hammer.

Violent evidence: Kristy suffered 130 injuries after being tortured for four days with weapons including broken ceramic floor tiles

Witchcraft: These weapons were found at the scene in what officers called an ‘unprecedented scenario’

Evidence: Officers found a whole array of weapons in the flat, including pliers, a pole, and a piece of wood

Terrible death: Kristy’s last words were ‘I just want to die now’ before he slipped underneath the water in the bath

In one act of savage cruelty, as Kristy’s siblings were hit, forced to join in and help clear the blood, Magalie ripped apart one of his ears with a pair of pliers.

At one point, Bikubi told the youngsters to jump out of the window to see if they could fly, the court heard.

Five hours of desperate phone calls were made to Kristy’s parents in Paris but at first they did not believe their children and were then unable to travel because of the Christmas break.

On Christmas Day, with his face beaten to a barely recognisable pulp, Kristy was thrown into a bath.

His last words were ‘I just want to die now’ before slipping underneath the water.

Kristy’s sister Kelly, now 21, broke down several times in court as she relived the terror. She said: ‘It was as if they (Bikubi and Magalie) were obsessed by witchcraft. They decided we had come there to kill them.’

Kelly added: ‘Kristy asked for forgiveness. He asked again and again. Magalie did absolutely nothing. She didn’t give a damn. She said we deserved it.’

In mitigation Henry Grunwald QC, for Bikubi, said: ‘What happened would not have ended as it did had it not been for Mr Bikubi’s mental impairment.’

Shocking: This was the squalid and bloodstained scene police were confronted by when they discovered the killing of Kristy Bamu by his sister and her partner in Newham, east London

Scene of the crime: Kristy was forced to pray for deliverance for four days and deprived of food and water

While Philippa McAlasney QC, for Magalie, said: ‘Not only has she has lost her entire family, she faces a solitary life in prison.’

Kristy’s father, Pierre, said in a statement: ‘Kristy died in unimaginable circumstances at the hands of people he loved and trusted – people we all loved and trusted.

‘I feel betrayed. To know that Kristy’s own sister, Magalie, did nothing to save him makes the pain that much worse.’

Scotland Yard has investigated 83 cases involving abuse resulting from ritualistic or faith-based beliefs, and brought 17 prosecutions, over the last 10 years.

Detective Superintendent Terry Sharpe said: ‘This is a hidden and under-reported crime and therefore difficult to deal with in terms of protecting potential victims from harm.

IMMIGRANTS IN THE GRIP OF ‘FERAL SUPERSTITION’

Christian fundamentalist pastors in Britain are fuelling the belief in witchcraft, experts have warned.

Dr Richard Hoskins, a police adviser, said he has spoken to many immigrant Londoners gripped by the potential power of malicious ‘spirits’ threatening to damage their families.

Traditional methods of exorcism include wearing a charm, fasting or sacrificing an animal and are controlled by the Church.

The university lecturer warned that Christian extremists and evangelists have begun taking advantage of vulnerable families and perpetuating beliefs in witchcraft by offering expensive ‘deliverance services’.

Dr Hoskins said: ‘What seems to happen is that there is this dislocation and, in this case, something feral and wild. It is completely out of control.’

The issue was first highlighted by the case of eight-year-old Victoria Climbie in 2000. Victoria, who travelled to Britain from the Ivory Coast, died at the hands of her aunt and her boyfriend after being branded a witch.

A year later the torso of a Nigerian boy, named Adam by police, was found in the Thames after he was ritually sacrificed.

Police believe he may have been killed by someone with a terminal illness who believed his murder would save them.

In 2005, three people were convicted of beating, cutting and rubbing chilli peppers in the eyes of an eight-year-old Angolan girl to ‘beat the devil out of her’.

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Life for life as will be judged and decided by the victim’s family, if not after determining that the victim’s family is not incapable of making judgment the judge instead. Or if the victim survived, the victim gets to decide to torture in the same manner. Otherwise let the creeps go or shoot them if they appear to be likely to kill more people and show not remorse etc… 55 years x 2 people x 40K a year will make these offenders cost the English taxpayers 4.4 million pounds, something both victim and offenders AND the entire families of both victim and offenders AS WELL would not earn even in 55 years.

Wakey wakey, or is that perfumed and rollered wig, black robes and massive dais mounted podium desk, making thinking too difficult for the judge?

3 Articles : Considerations on ‘Underage’ Marriage and Ambiguous Actions considered Criminal (with response on Definition of Underage), Neutrality in the Controversial : Discussions on Paedophelia – reposted by @AgreeToDisagree – 15th Februaery 2012

In Abuse of Power, critical discourse, criticism, flawed judgments, freedom of choice, Freedom of Expression, if not contrived, individualism, Informed Consent, intent, Invasive Laws, Justice, Media Neutrality, mothers, political correctness, Prostitution, psychiatry, self policing, Sexuality, social freedoms, spirit of the law, spirit of the word, subculture persecution, word of the law on February 15, 2012 at 3:31 pm

ARTICLE 1

Getting married at 14 – 9 December 2010 | Save The Children | Posted by Noreen Ariff (exchange/discussion on early marriage)

News that a 22 year old school teacher had got married to a 14 year old girl has caused shockwaves in Malaysia, reverberating around the world. Recall what it was like to be 14 again, and consider if such marriages really can hold water under the law.

I still remember the 14th year of my life vividly. Every day I would wake up early in the morning to catch the morning bus to go to religious school. It lasted for 3 hours every day where afterwards I would go home and get ready to go to normal school ( this of course doesn’t mean that religious school is abnormal, I can’t think of a better description of a day school). Once in school, my friends and I would chat and chat about homework, gossiped about girls that we didn’t like and the latest boy bands that had got our fancy.

This routine continued every day for 5 days a week. Saturdays were for girl-guides and other clubs and as soon as my activities finished, I would catch a bus straight home to watch cartoons and old Malay movies on the then Singaporean Channel 5. Sundays were cartoons, 90210 and homework, lots and lots of homework. In between I would call my best friend, and we would chat and chat to our hearts content. Of course I had to help out with the household chores but let’s leave that out. In short, life was bliss. It had only one purpose: to be a kid.

My body was also changing. I had stopped wearing training bras and began using the real ones. I had gotten my period which was a bit of bother. At 14, I had only the slightest idea about sex. Sex out of wedlock is a no-no in Islam and from the medical books I read, the idea of sex actually grossed me out. I only properly learnt about the human reproduction system at 15, in science class. So at 14, I would say that I was still very awkward and blur. Did I feel and did my mum think that I was an adult just because I had breasts and was menstruating once a month? I don’t think so.

Yes, I wanted to have a boyfriend then, but at 14 marriage was the last thing on my mind. The main focus in life was to do well in school and get into a reputable university so that I can get a high-paying job, buy everything that I ever wanted, travel the world and change it. If my mum wanted to marry me off then, I would have rebelled and ran away from home because in my mind child marriages only exist in third-world countries where women were not educated, where her family had no means to support her and she had to depend on men.

I must have forgotten that Malaysia is a third-world country with third-world mentalities dominating our minds as if we had no other choice. I must have forgotten that not all parents are the same. Not all parents think that 14 year olds are kids, nor understand that having breasts and menstruation do not make these kids adults. Not all parents are patient enough to go through tough teenage years with their kids and encourage them to forget about the opposite sex for a while and stay focused on themselves and their studies.

I must have also forgotten that not all teachers are educators. I must have forgotten that once upon a time our Prophet Muhammad PBUH married Aishah, who was still a child and that is why some Muslims think it’s okay for a kid to get married. I must have forgotten that once a upon a time, Mansor Adabi a teacher of 22 years of age married Natrah, who was then 13 and our grandparents thought nothing of it.

I have forgotten that times may have changed but some minds are still trapped in the Stone Age.

I doubt Prophet Muhammed PBUH would have married Aishah if he was a prophet now and yes, I doubt Mansor Adabi and Natrah would have gotten married. The circumstances would have been different. Primary and secondary education in Malaysia now is free and available to all. Malaysian women have made it to the top echelons of organisations. I am sure these women would not be where they are right now if they had gotten married at 14. (Blesphemy! Lol, jk, but it’s a good thing Noreen is not in the worst of the Muslim world. Noreen’d be strung up and quartered, keel hauled, FGMed or whatever.)

I am appalled that after all these years there are still parents who allow their underage kids to get married and even more when their insanity is entertained by the Syariah Court who consented to these marriages. The country was just shocked by the news of the 11 year old who got married to an old man, we are now faced with news of a celebration of a 14 year old kid who got married to a 23 year old primary school teacher. The kid was quoted as saying “it’s going to be hard to juggle two roles – a student and a wife- but I’m taking it in my stride”.

I am wondering whether she fully understands what she has gotten herself into. Marriage is not about copulating and procreating alone. Everything might be rosy right now but how would she feel in a couple of years, if not months? While her friends woke up to go to school, studying or eyeing on the most good looking guy in school, she has to wake up, get the breakfast ready for her husband and after school, while others went straight to bury themselves in homework and tuition, she has to cook, wash, clean the house before night time where she has to do her wifely duties. How would she cope with pregnancy and morning sickness? She would have to miss school and probably even more after she gave birth. When her friends are burning the midnight oil for PMR and SPM, she is awake at night tending to her babies. What would she decide, if let’s say she got a place at a university that is far away from the place her husband is working. What we she do when she met a lot more men when she grew up? Would she still love her husband or resent him?

Did the Syariah Court, her parents and hubby think of all these? What are the criteria before such a marriage is allowed? Section 8 of the Islamic Family Law (Federal Territories) Act 1984 merely states:

No marriage may be solemnized under this Act where either the man is under the age of eighteen or the woman is under the age of sixteen except where the Syariah Judge has granted his permission in writing in certain circumstances.

By this section alone, there are no guidelines or fixed criteria on what constitutes “certain circumstances”. If there were guidelines, I just hope they are not parents’ consent, ability of the future husband to support and the girl has reached puberty!

Getting married just to stop the couple from any immoral behaviour is the smallest aspect of things; parents should look into the bigger spectrum of life. Perhaps they should start by watching the movie Juno or An Education (haha)! Your 14 year old kid may be getting her periods, with breasts, stopped playing with Barbie dolls and all – but they are still kids. Parents should know that teenage girls are also easily attracted to older men who seem to know the world. If only the girls waited a little longer, they would know that they too can have the world, on their own.

If the parents can’t see the big picture, the husband, who is a 23 year old teacher, should be able to. He after all is supposed to be educated and more level-minded. Having people like him as teachers makes me wonder about the quality of people allowed to be teachers of our future generation?

Teachers are not here just to teach but they are supposed to inspire our kids to reach their fullest potential. Here we have a teacher who got involved with an underage girl and in marrying her, he had coincidentally robbed her of her childhood. Something that he probably had, how would he feel if he got married at 14? Somehow he has no qualms from robbing his wife from hers. How is this teacher going to be a role model to his students in school? What is he going to say to his students, study and get married or enjoy your school life, get a job, be the best in what you do and then settle down? If he truly loved this girl, he would wait.

If the parents were responsible parents, they would have lodged a complaint against this teacher and get him transferred and as far away as possible from their daughter. Their daughter has a right to have her childhood and if Article 5 of the Federal Constitution of Malaysia means more than the right to live and includes the quality of life, then the parents, husband and the Sharia Court have clearly violated one of the most fundamental liberties of the Constitution.

It is a travesty when on the one hand rape with minors is considered statutory rape because they are under the age of consent and on the other marriages with minors are allowed. I am not saying the teacher is a paedophile but if he was, paedophiles should not be punished by allowing them to get married. Section 8 of the Islamic Family Law and any law of its kind should be repealed.

The 14 year old kid should stay a kid, no matter how much she wanted to get married; she is still a kid. There is a saying that childhood is the most beautiful of life’s seasons so do not lose it by rushing to grow up. If the parents and the guy truly loved her, they should encourage her to choose school, study, friends, gossiping with other girls about the best looking guy in their class, choose love and lost and love again, choose university, choose a career, choose independence. Do not choose marriage at the age of 14, do not make that mistake.

Choose life. Marriage at 14 is not a life.

Noreen Ariff loves being single but yes, she would like to get married…someday. She believes that people should only get married when they are mentally, emotionally and financially ready. Her LoyarBurokking here is on her own time, and her own views. They bear no reflection on the organisation she works for.

44 Responses to Getting married at 14

AgreeToDisagree
21 December 2010 – 9:16 am

hi @pointofview

Thanks for the kind word. I don’t like leaving room for misunderstanding by keeping elegantly silent or keeping people misinformed to empower myself, or to cause others to err then blame them, or give others reason to ostracise or abuse them after intentionally causing them to trip up (first hand to the N-th here), and this is the only principled way to communicate.

By being on an even playing field, though ‘stupidos’ could also be propagandists and advocates of authoritarianism via neurolinguistic programming half the time seeking to enrich themselves at the expense of the people.

These mental goons probably seek to propagate acceptance of 3rd world paradigms of tasering, abusive attitudes by counter staff, abuse of citizens by enforcement, shoot-first policy, entrapment, electronic harrassment, alongside other miserable and inhuman methods to enslave and contaminate democratic principles with grey area abuses while their family Oligarchs reserve MP seats and hand down the same MP seats between their children and grandchildren or sometimes partly hidden through cosanguinity (imagine Khairy marrying Nurul or something along those lines or every former PM’s child being a Minister or PM) . . . you get the picture (thats also how UMNO imploded with Pak-Lah-KJ vs. dr.Evil-Mukhriz creating so much resentment that so many disappointed voters ran for Pakatan and the same in Pakatan now causing voters to run for MCLM and KITA or becoming independents).

It is sheer inadequacy that makes these insane people go around spreading rumours or harming others. It is worse when those listening and believing the rumours are induced to act. What kind of justice or reparation can be sought? Those who broke the law should be punished accordingly or at the very least in kind. We have to keep aware and alert the public to such behaviour and seek to prevent continuation of such behaviour via educating the voters on such issues and building awareness for everyone to be wary of the modus operandi of such abusers.

And as we know a large portion of crimes are done by people who know the victim, so don’t be too excited or flattered or frightened by sudden boons or banes in the form of people or gift horses, they are easily inventions of the sick society we live in, right all the way up to the political parties in power.

pointofview
20 December 2010 – 10:32 pm

@ Agreetodisagree

I salute you for the facts that you have mentioned in your earlier comments to date. It is pointless to go into an argument or battle with some stupidos who can’t think out of the box. Anyway, bravo for justifying your points.

@ SiewEng

Yes, she made the right choice for her. A man and a woman or should I say a boy and a girl can meet in any circumstances, there shouldn’t be so much emphasize on the teacher student relationship. How if the cupid’s arrow striked between a doctor (a man) and a patient (a young girl 14 maybe)? Love is blind darling. It’s good if it ends up with marriage rather than other social ill issues. Right?

And as for others who have commented here…. start thinking out of the box. It looks like you guys are the ones living in the primitive world… go figure…

siewchinteo
20 December 2010 – 6:24 pm

at times it is difficult to reconcile how a person who “thinks out of the box” can actually accept hudud law…..or any restrictive law for that matter.

but what do i know – i am 3rd world and supports chopping off the head of anyone who harms a child.

AgreeToDisagree
20 December 2010 – 2:38 pm

No wonder the quality of our legal system is dropping. We have someone ready to deny facts than face them.

1) I understand every word that you have used in your reply . . .

But you lack the EQ or are afraid to absorb it.

2) But I think I speak on behalf of everyone here when I say, they seem to mean nothing when read as a sentence. Lol.

I don’t think so. If you read without thinking or trying to understand what is written that usually ends up bring the case.

3) No such thing as constitutional amendment when the basic structure of the constitution does not envisage the hudud law……ever!

Hudud does not need to exist upon Constitution. It exists in the hearts of the faithful in Islam, and those willing to be punished under it’s auspices. If you are a disciplined Muslim or a non-Muslim, no need to fear Hudud.

4) Once again, to keep things simple, go read your federal constitution you fucking nimrod!

Twist around trying to evade the facts, but facts remain facts. The federal constitution is not only to be read, but amended you fucking dimknob.

5) I also must add, you are one fucking dumbshit.

Speak for yourself. Still no case, now compounded by trying to evade facts with ‘value deducted’ sentence structures.

Let the readers judge the points (or in your case non-points) in this exchange for themselves.

Ali Davidson
20 December 2010 – 7:56 am

AgreetoDisagree,

I understand every word that you have used in your reply but I think I speak on behalf of everyone here when I say, they seem to mean nothing when read as a sentence. Lol.

It is just pure baloney.

No such thing as constitutional amendment when the basic structure of the constitution does not envisage the hudud law……ever!

Once again, to keep things simple, go read your federal constitution you fucking nimrod!

I also must add, you are one fucking dumbshit.

AgreeToDisagree
18 December 2010 – 3:35 pm

@Ali Davidson,

I keep walking into rooms full of establishment minded people who are unable to employ either critical or lateral thought. Or who wish to keep their fellow citizens in an easy manipulated state? I will presume you belong to the former category and so the responsibility falls upon to debunk yet again.

“You can’t apply Hudud la you dumbshit.” Is that so? Oh yes you certainly can apply Hudud.

Hudud Whipping? A Hudud signatory could call it a BDSM club with no physical contact to remain legal in Islam.

Hudud limb removal as pubnishment? A Hudud signatory could claim it was an association for treatment of body integrity identity disorder (BIID).

If Hudud is applied anywhere consensually under the above, the Federal Parliament have no say. And though it VAINLY claims to have the right to, the claim is absolutely inapplicable and should not even be brazenly misrepresented as being applicable. Dishonesty is a terrible sickness of so-called ‘Democratic Governments’.

QUOTE Journal of Applied Philosophy – “amputations should be morally permissible” on the grounds that people with BIID are not “globally irrational”. UNQUOTE

On this technicality and by the methods above, Hudud could be applied.

IT IS THEIR BODY, SO THEIR RIGHT ANYWAY, not for anyone to deny or legislate. More authoritarianism on your part? The constitution is a guideline that can change with time thats why there are CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS. Given the sorry state of Malysia’s judiciary and political paradigms though these CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS have not been applied.

The right to Hudud punishments is a negative freedom but still a freedom nonetheless. No group of citizens via rule of mob or supposed right of larger numbers, might in numbers has any right to enforce ANYTHING on anyone. That is application of ETHICAL principles to a very difficult issue.

The as you call it, ‘fucking’ constitution. doesn’t work and should be amended but isn’t amended because we have lgislators busy trying to steal taxpayer monies who do not understand that Constitution is a living breathing document that needs to have changes to accomodate the PEOPLE, *NOT* the PEOPLE change to suit it because numerically they are out numbered, by force of arms even!

No one is bound to obey an unconstitutional law and no courts are bound to enforce it. In the context of consensual Hudud vs. an inapplicable Constitution, guess where the Spirit of the Law lies? And that my ethically unaware or lazy minded friend, is the essence of Civilisation as opposed to the attitude of Malicious Compliance or brute force and punishment based on inapplicable words on a piece of paper. Teach a child to think by giving freedom, not hit a child into not thinking or imprison. Of course sheep are easier to herd, so it is easy to see who intends his charges well and who inevitably ends up abusing them.

The principle is the issue of victimlessness of an action and the right to self determinism. If there are spaces that can be made for whatever they wish experience, just you remember that the world and lands on the world belong to EVERYONE not those most numerous, with the most powerful weapons or the loudest voices or the ability to impose fines and jail terms by force of arms. The ethics of civilisation, be aware and apply!

This civilisation, the display of the tolerance of man, for the relatively minor weirdness that constitutes a mere fraction of the LIMITLESS POSSIBILITIES of what we perceive as reality.

Remember Stephen Hawking’s comments on Cthulu? Start thinking out of that box and stop putting people into it because you are too weak minded or LAZY minded. So many narrow minded and authoritarian people around? Making excuses for weak mindedness. Stop being lazy and TEACH responsibility not introduce/impose the Crutches of Authoritarianism on your fellow sentients. In a short while we could very well be having bio-engineered lifeforms ‘Spore’ style and brain transplants to boot alongside all manner of cybernetics. Does this mean a group who can’t wrap their head around these concepts has a right to demand others not be allowed to partake (after extensive ETHICAL testing to ensure no unwanted fallout occurs by any chance of course)?

“The tyranny of the many would be when one body takes over the rights of others, and then exercises its power to change the laws in its favor.” – Voltaire

So don’t tell me Hudud is so shocking. Its really very dull and not something I would chose, *BUT* the principal of the matter is that it’s that person’s choice and to respect God given free will and self determinism, we must at least make space for them to choose their own path. The world belongs to EVERYONE not the ‘majority’ alone. Spirit of Law. No more of this crudity, even against crudity.

For example, look at Section 377B, doesn’t exist in India or England. So why is it maintained here? To be used as a weapon. Every Malaysian who has had oral sex is guilty 377B and should be imprisoned 20 years and whipped. Were government to apply such laws instead of amending them, then we’d all be in prison.

So do you think the Constitution can be applied to Hudud even?

“If we don’t believe in freedom of expression for

people we despise, we don’t believe in it at all.”

– Noam Chomsky

As Anwar was a victim of entrapment, so this trial doesn’t count. When a kangaroo court is in session, another political enemy is made to bite the dust. Again spirit of the law trampled by the judiciary’s negligence to amend, by unconstitutional powers to appoint judges, by abusing where people find most pleasure or necessity (like extreme taxes on vehicles) or inflicting Concessionaire Highways and Vehicular-APs on citizens.

Also, understand what ‘cultural relativism’ and ‘free will’ mean you dimknob! So who’s the dumbshit now? Let the readers decide! Pathos without Logos! And don’t mention the Fed or the Constitution, that would be Ethos without Logos! No logic, means no case.

Ali Davidson
18 December 2010 – 9:41 am

AgreetoDisagree,

You can’t apply Hudud la you dumbshit. It is the Federal Parliament that sanctions the level of punishments for the Syariah courts.

Read your fucking constitution you nimrod!

AgreeToDisagree
18 December 2010 – 2:44 am

@Ali Davidson

“Syariah law in Malaysia is archaic and primitive.”

True. But people who WANT HUDUD even, have a right to live by Hudud. Though imposing any law without consent is also wrong. Hudud is livable if you are very disciplined, but most Muslims can’t really do it. That is PAS’s weak point. If PAS makes Hudud applicable on a signatory basis, with all Muslims still under Syariah Law as well, PAS would be quite strong. You could even say that any PAS Malay is an honest and non-corrupt Malay who is a proper follower of Islam. They need to be apply Hudud in this manner or they will chase Malay voters away.

With Tok Guru’s condemnation of Bumiputraism as APARTHEID and ex-Perlis Mufti Dr Mohd Asri Zainal stating Bumiputra is akin to Zionism amonst others, PAS is quite popular in contemporary Malaysia among the minorities.

On the ethical scorecard, PMBK CEO Datuk Abdul Ariffahmi Abdul Rahman being asked to quit by Tok Guru to prevent conflict of interest sets a precedent probably in the whole of ASEAN, though here and there instances of extreme wealth have surfaced, though not as shocking as in BN.

Casual Analysis of Malaysian parties (International links wise) :

1) PAS is the safest where national security is concerned, other than ties with a mostly neutral German delegation, they look absolutely dedicated to Malaysian sovereignty.

2) DAP, as oligarchic and nepotistic as PAP is colluding with PAP on illegal technological fronts at USA’s behest, USA itself is beholden to the Zionist lobby.

3) PKR has Wolfowitz and others linked to Zionism as well though recent distancing of US from PKR’s ANwar make PKR slightly better for nationl sovereignty though NEPOTISM and OLIGARCHY in PKR however are so serious that MCLM and KITA have been set up to counter that in PKR.

4) The double faced Zionist-APCO link, damns Barisan no end.

Don’t laugh at Syariah or even Hudud Ali Davidson, it’s their choice if they really want it and have not been coerced. Self Determinism also applies in liefstyles like Hudud or those luddite minded Amish Mennonite communities in the USA. It’s a free world, don’t disparage that and even help others fight for their right to SELF DETERMINISM.

Ali Davidson
17 December 2010 – 10:44 pm

Just do away with Syariah law in Malaysia and you’ll have peace and harmony!

Syariah law in Malaysia is archaic and primitive.

I laugh each time I hear about Syariah law in Malaysia.

AgreeToDisagree
16 December 2010 – 3:15 am

That line is abit over the top and loses by itself, but you get the picture lol. But the arguement is won elsewhere in the repartee am very sure.

Awang Berbahaya
16 December 2010 – 1:44 am

You guys are a bunch of loonies.

REPENT from doing SATAN’s work? ROTFL

Saya tiba2 terbayang adegan seorang penceramah ajaran sesat dalam filem yang kononnya ada kuasa ajaib untuk memulihkan penyakit hanya dengan memegang dada pesakit.

@Agreetodisagree- I think you have lost your argument.

AgreeToDisagree
16 December 2010 – 12:12 am

England is the flunky for going on a 10th Crusade against Saddam for double standards on 2nd Amendment Rights and causing near 500,000 deaths. A holocaust only upped by the Ameri-Indian Natives in USA and Canada and South Americas.

I will indulge your skewed perception on free will and your attempts to turn the public against people trying to ensure open opinion and free mindedness.

What do you mean so by default what you say is not relevant and holds not water? Flunked Logic 101?

Because we advocate self determinism, and children who are psychologically mature or who will come to less harm being married than being jailbait, does not mean we are paedophiles. I personally am more inclined to Borticelli than Loli phenotype though if @pointof view is into the latter, and everyone is consensual to marriage including parents, why should there be an issue?

Marriage and childbirth dignifies the tween or teen (especially if biologocally capable) and transitions her into a woman and MOTHER, not some mentally immatured ingenue long past her biological fertility, that that too is a choice that must remain open to the fairer sex.

Did you think the stork dropped off babies at the orphanage and that only aging women are entitled to adopt and raise children, who are sometimes forcibly placed there via child alienation?

Even male-male homosexual couples are permitted to adopt and raise children, (by the initiative of a certain alter ego I would hope?) why do you seek to forbid young couples in love who chose to become life partners?

During tribal times where all was untamed wilderness, when 2 people matured, they would probably leave the tribe to set up their own family and start ‘experimenting’ much earlier as well. Was there a law then? Then the male would take out his bow and arrow and . . . HUNT animals (OMG someone call PETA! Duh.). (No I wasn’t going to get explicit.)

Then there is the ageism issue, is difference in age any indicator of maturity or a reason to place a barrier to consensual marriage?

NEUTRAL SPACES for thought and living! Autonomy!

Go hurl your stones somewhere else and put those pitchforks and torches to better use, like against an abusive government which far too many have vested interest (perhaps you are one who profits from the proliferation of ‘charities’, orphanages, child services, or child alienation lawsuits? REPENT from doing Satan’s work by speaking for his Satanic social engineering structures and leave us independent citizens alone.)

All religious institutions running as businesses as well had better empty those coffers full of sequesterd funds that never benefit society, PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING, EVEN DYING OUT THERE.

It is YOU who is advised to seek medical help for your lack of logic and attempt at tarring anyone by calling them paedophiles. God knows they’ve made a sacred taboo of freedom to marry alongside religion without more people egging the ‘self serving charitable’ on.

Oneofthesedays
15 December 2010 – 10:28 pm

@pointofview @AgreeToDisagree

Looks like you flunked England too….

You are a couple of pedophile supporters so by default what you say is not relevant and holds no water.

My advice to you is to seek medical help for your sickness.

siew eng
15 December 2010 – 7:49 am

“She probably dont know or understand what she is getting herself into but I think she has made the right choice for her.”

This reminds me of Noor Kumalarasi who said she’d follow even the hadiths that are daif.

How well the teacher taught the student!

pointofview
14 December 2010 – 8:46 am

Oneofthesedays

You must be a joke… math? go figure the world… I didnt flunked my maths or language but making a simple point that if that teacher guy made his decision to marry the 14 year old girl then he should be ready to double up his duties. 14, 24 or 30 the house chores or what you call as maid duties should be shared to build a good marriage. Obviously, you dont have the capacity to understand that.

FarFarAway
14 December 2010 – 1:12 am

Generally, the law of the land (which would have been gazetted normally after discussion, debate and consultations) should be observed.

However, in Msia, there appears to be two sets of law and these need to be streamlined – after a fair discussion/debate/consultations, of course – where a legal minimum age for marriage should be set clearly.

AgreeToDisagree
14 December 2010 – 12:11 am

@Oneofthesedays

“If you can’t tell the diff between 14 and 24 you must have flunked math :)”

You don’t need to know math for wifely duties, to give birth or nurse children. The poorer husband though would require doubling up for cook’s or even maid’s duties though, but the same do not need math either. In fact math is not even needed for housebuilding (the traditional way) or farming crops or mining. Do we need math or even language for that matter? A club and a cave is more important than math.

Oneofthesedays
13 December 2010 – 9:12 pm

pointofview

if you can’t tell the diff between 14 and 24…you must have flunked math 🙂

pointofview
13 December 2010 – 11:43 am

By the way, the age gap between my husband and I is 9 years. We have a beautiful daughther. And I must say that, I’m a happily married woman and I’m enjoying every bits of my life to the fullest with my husband who once was my teacher.

pointofview
13 December 2010 – 11:32 am

I dont understand why this issue of a teacher marrying a student is so provoking to the society. I’m married to my teacher. The difference is that we waited until I finished my studies and got married at the age of 24. See, this girl has made her choice by marrying the teacher at a very young age. We are nobody to judge her or the teacher. She probably dont know or understand what she is getting herself into but I think she has made the right choice for her. I’m not condoning their actions but sometimes when you are ready to get married…just go ahead and get married. If not, the right person to come by will take sometime…or maybe not at all.

As for the parents, I dont think they want to escape from their parental resposibility. They just dont want to see their daugther being unmarried, have sex and get pregnant. So, by marrying her to that guy will ease their worries. Sometimes, when you have daughthers, the right measure should be taken to prevent wrong doings. Just think of it that we are reversing the time to early 40’s, 50’s or 60’s….where women get married at a very young age and build their happy families.

p/s: this is for the writer:

before you loyarburok about others, please do some research and gather your facts and point of views. Just dont hantam people. Anyway, you are single. What do you know about getting married or being married?

Charlie
13 December 2010 – 4:02 am

Speaking as someone who does not live in Malaysia and who has never lived in a majority Muslim community, and therefore probably more removed from the emotions behind the debate, I wasn’t surprised to hear that children of 14 are getting married in Muslim countries (after all, the prophet Mohammed pbuh himself married multiple wives (11) one of whom was betrothed to him at the age of 6 and the marriage was consummated at 10 (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad’s_wive…. In this context, I was relieved that there was not too much of an age gap between the newly married couple (only 8 years) which is a pleasant contrast to the extremes we see in truly undeveloped places like Afghanistan: See this picture of a 40 year old man married to an 11 year old girl that won Unicef Photo of the year http://www.metro.co.uk/news/80298-under-age-marri….

That said, I (and I expect many others in the West) do perceive marriage at such a young age to be a practice of countries less progressive than Malaysia, and I was surprised that there is this “loophole” in Malaysian law that allows the marriageable age of 16 to be broken if sanctioned by a Shariah court. I think it is scary and undesirable that such a court could sanction marriage to girls much younger than 14 if it wanted to. I think there should be a lower age limit on this power. What that age limit should be should be a topic of debate for the Muslim community in Malaysia.

Looking at marriageable ages around the world, the trend is to raise them not to lower them. The trend is also to stop the practice of children getting married. In 2008 Egypt raised the marriageable age from 16 to 18 and also outlawed female circumcision (a barbaric practice which I believe many of my Muslim brothers and sisters in certain countries have tolerated for too long). Even Saudi Arabia and Yemen (among the most prolific for child marriages) are also looking to introduce a minimum marriageable age. Such action is largely in response to outcries at what their indigenous populations saw as morally reprehensible behaviour in a marriage context (e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nujood_Ali).

So, I think that is good news for the world. I am pleased that Malaysia is not having more extreme stories of forced marriages with larger age gaps coming out and I am also pleased that there is a willingness to debate these issues openly. No country is perfect, but through debate, willingness to change and pursuit of principles of fairness we stand a good chance of making our countries better and more harmonious places to live.

AgreeToDisagree
12 December 2010 – 3:14 am

What have you seen at 14? Why can’t you wait?

Well after picking the husband of choice or being picked by a successful suitor, or having an meticulously and astrologically soundly calculated arranged marriage (with someone not too noxious to oneself), the now matured woman (maybe in her late 30s onwards), may still choose to ‘see the world’ after raising her children to adulthood.

Who says a lfestyle has to be linear or binary? Try thinking out of the box, and while saying it is justified by Islam is the lazy way out, I think the Prophet would concur with my entirely secular and logic based views on the matter.

It IS okay for minors to get married. But only after many considerations are to be factored in. Best of luck, and don’t wait too long for ‘true love’, by biological factors, some things are best enjoyed and more viable while young!

Noreen
12 December 2010 – 1:02 am

Hi All,

Thank you all for your comments again. I am happy that my article has generated views both from those who are okay with underage marriages and those who are against it. And so, thank you for your concerns Crystal. I am touched.:-)

Who would have thought that there are people who are okay with underage marriages? Seriously. Again, seriously?!!

I feel compelled to comment again because I do not appreciate being called as someone who back-out from a war and having accused as someone with a perverted, corrupted mind who failed to understand the attributes and teachings of Prophet Muhammad.

The reference to stoneage is a metaphor to a time different from ours and to minds that somehow have not caught up with the 21st century. It wasn’t supposed to be read literally as a prehistoric period where man made tools from stones.

True, I agree that Prophet Muhammad’s marriage to Aishah is an exceptional case but is the teacher like Prophet Muhammad and is the kid like Aishah? Abu Bakar As-Siddiq blessed the marriage between Aishah and Prophet Muhammad because of:

(a) to reinforce friendly relations between him and the Prophet;

(b) to educate and train Aisha so she may served the purposes of Islam; and

(c) to teach her to utilise her capabilities for the sake of Islam.

If (note-IF) the parents’ intentions for approving the marriage were:

(a) to escape from their responsibility as parents; and

(b) to legalise sex between a minor and an adult.

Then, I feel sorry for the girl.Marriage is no child’s play and this was why the last paragraph of my article above was styled in the manner of the last dialogue in the movie Trainspotting. It is to evoke images of choices,empowerment, independence and there is more to life than getting married. See and experience the world first, then decide. What have you seen at 14? Why can’t you wait? True love waits.

To say it is okay for minors to get married because the Prophet did it to me is the same as saying it is okay for parents to kill their kid as a sacrifice to Allah. The same way as Ibrahim almost killed Ismail before being rewarded for his loyalty and faith with a big sheep sent down from the heaven to be slaughtered instead of Ismail. Sacrifice in this modern age has taken into a more in depth meaning if not metaphoric and is more than slaughtering the sacrificial sheep.

Farha’s suggestions to me is a happy compromise and while I respect her views, I still stand with what I have written. To me there is no compromise in underage marriages. It should be banned altogether.

As for the teacher and his newly married child-bride, good luck.I wish you all the best and may you have a blissful marriage.

Have a good weekend everyone.

zenonidenoni
11 December 2010 – 7:33 am

The Prophet Muhammad SAW is a mercy sent by Allah to mankind. His acts and his words were never driven by lust, his wisdom came from Allah through the the teaching of the Angel Jibrail. It is in your perverted mind that think their marriage was by lust, then why not the prophet married 10 young girls, why did he married only one while he can have them all, nobody was going to question the prophet back then. But he did marry only one girl and not making her as his daughter because a stepdaughter in Islam is not allowed to access much of his private life, which in fact, very important to us Muslims to learn about his way of life. The hardness of his life not only felt by him, but also his daughter Fatimah and all of his nine wives. He acted not upon his desire nor lust, but his actions were always guided by Allah. And people would slander him if he took Aisyah r.a. as a stepdaughter. You guys had not read nor study the life of the prophet or other prophets, so you will not have any idea other than what in store of your perverted, corrupted mind.

zenonidenoni
11 December 2010 – 7:17 am

I’m out of this argument. No point arguing anymore. I had made my stand, deliver my message that we should not intervene with the marriage, for fear it may cause them to separate. We should be supportive, not destructive, they are already married with the consent of their parents.

Who are we to decide that playing and going on school trips are good for her. We should grab whatever opportunity to do good deeds and shall not delay it for tomorrow for fear that the chance might go off. We don’t even know what is going to happen the next second, we can only assume. So, please, janganlah bersangka buruk dengan orang lain. Goodbye.

Crystal
11 December 2010 – 5:41 am

Dear Noreen,

Do not be disheartened by some of the comments by your readers. The way most Malaysians reacted to this news, we all know how the majority feels about this. And I very much agree with U-En Eng. This is not about the girl’s rights to get married. The questions really is about whether she is mature enough. I know some 14-year olds who are very mature, but why can’t it wait? If you are so confident about your love, why not wait?

And so many of you are not parents. Neither am I. But I shudder to think that there may be a teacher in my nieces schools who may be flirting and having a relationship with them! Parents are supposed to protect and prevent their children from making mistakes. How can a 14 year old really know what marriage really is and what she has committed herself into? What is the point of “building a family life early so by the age of 40, their children can help and support and build even bigger family.” Why not 20+??

And so many talk about the ‘legal’ aspect of marriage. Sex with a minor is still SEX WITH A MINOR, married or otherwise! MARRIAGE DOES NOT MAKE A KID OLDER! Marriage is not just a “holy union of two souls with god as witness”. It’s a lot of work, work that 14 year olds may not be capable of. Work that is not necessary for a 14 year old. She should be playing and going on school trips and having fun with her friends. How can you say she chose it when she may not even know what the hell she is talking about?

U-En Ng
11 December 2010 – 4:46 am

Do we trust a 14-year-old (or any girl on the basis of her first period, regardless of age) to drive a car? Buy a house? Work in a factory? Get a credit card?

If there is an element of prejudgement in preventing underaged marriage (in that it deprives an individual, regardless of her age, of choice), aren’t we also bound at least to consider that an individual’s capacity for deciding *ought* to be tested by *sufficient maturity*?

farha
10 December 2010 – 11:18 pm

There are pros and cons to marrying at such a young age. In those days (yes, i HAVE to make that comparison), girls marry young but usually because their families have arranged for it…rarely does the girl marry out of their own volition.

Today, if the 14-year-old girl (who recenly is in the press) marry because she want to, to the guy who is right (at that time), feels she’s capable, why not? She have the right to get married…this i don’t deny. However, she also have the right to an education that supports teenage mums.

I think, then, there has to be some kind of guidelines to i)ensure they remain educated; or in worse case scenario, ii)be able to re-join school if she don’t want to attend school for the time being (for whatever reason)

(e.g – how many times can these young mums defer PMR/SPM if they take maternity leave? is there ‘compassionate leave’ for them if they need to attend to sick babies?)

kaza
10 December 2010 – 10:35 pm

Intresting article, Noreen. Funny comments from ‘some’ readers thou…

zenonidenoni
10 December 2010 – 8:34 pm

Oneofthesedays

quote – when are you marrying your 14 year-old?pedophile defender = pedophile

so nothing you have said has any credibility.

the pervert teacher should be arrested for rape and not be allowed near children unsupervised ever again.-end quote-

wah,so nice of you to accuse someone who you don’t even know. Do you understand that pedophile is a person who had sex (unmarried of course) with a young person. Between a legal husband and wife, you have no jurisdiction for that. And I always think it is nothing wrong to marry early, they are not rob from their childhood, they are building their family life early so by the age of 40, their children can help and support and build even bigger family.

By the way, my gf is a nice beautiful and charming 24-year old lady whom I’m going to marry her if Allah permit when I have enough money.

p/s: A writer should write responsibly.

AgreeToDisagree
10 December 2010 – 6:04 pm

hi @L,

1) ” and as Marina Mahathir had said in her column in The Star, marrying a teenager just for the sake of preventing “social ills” such as pre-marital sex can actually lead to bigger social ills like abuse, lack of education for the female bride therefore lack of her ability to fend for herself and thus have to be entirely dependent on her husband to decide her life for her as per his will…etc.

Not in every case. And with a strong and watchful (DO NOT BE ‘offensively watchful’ – try malicious compliance, for respect for her husband is critical to their marital bliss – warning all so-called feminists to check those attitudes in advance, especially older jealous jilted/unmarried ones) community setting I mention, ‘fending’ will be very unlikely.

As for ‘conveniently saintly’ Marin ‘Evil’ Mahathiru who looks potentially to angle herself via MCLM as Malaysia’s First Female PM, and the spectre of her becoming Malaysia’s First Female PM in true DYNASTY/OLIGARCHY form after her father dr.Evil, is just too horrible to mention. dr.Evil would never face a trial, and the ‘pity my father’ and ‘since I am also PM’ ploy will be all too obvious by then. She would likely to protect her father, whitewash Ops Lallang, or the Vehicular AP system or the APARTHEID or billions worth of ILLEGAL shipping bailouts, closed tenders, free contracts, unpaid and ignored bills and illegal movements of funds for Marina’s brothers Mirzan and Mokhzani.

By vested interests Mirzan is a director of at least eight companies listed on the Kuala Lumpur Stock Exchange. His private company, Peringkat Prestasi, a large stake in Lion Corp. His Konsortium Perkapalan Bhd, a listed haulage and logistics company, controls almost half of Malaysia’s road freight market. Imagine the number of freely given contracts this guy got!

Mokhazani, ex-UMNO Treasurer, is worth well over a billion, through his vehicle Kenchana Petroleum and much of the undistributed NEP wealth through a network of subsidiaries and proxies. Imagine the number of close tenders this guy got!

Careful of MCLM simply by the association of committee post bearer Marina to her brothers and by extension dr.Evil Mahathir! Blood is thicker than water and in the nepotistic and oligarchic world of blood relations, ALL the Rakyat are but water, so NEVER vote for those who by association attempt to protect those who have harmed Malaysia so much over the past 22 years. I’d drop MCLM for fear that friendships between Haris/RPK and Marina would be a protective last pitch weapon coordinated by the evil Mahathir in the background somehow. To play it safe, I’d advise all voters or current MCLM supporters to look for other options than MCLM or set up as private candidates instead. A 3rd Force is indeed needed but MCLM by blood association to dr.Evil, has too many holes for any cautious voter’s liking.

Citizens, run as private candidates instead if you want a 3rd Force so badly.

2) those who advocate this practice are supporters of a repressive patriarchal system who believe a woman’s purpose in life is to be a good wife and serve the man, who then will have all the rights to determine her life for her. Women are humans too, in case you have not noticed. Women have the right to choose…yes…some may choose marriage. but if at a young age, how sure are we that that choice is a choice made by an uninfluenced mind with a clear and rational idea of what she is committing herself towards.

Not necessarily again. Do you know what joy a child-like mind who has indulged and lived out whimsical decisions can accrue in the years to come? She will always say, I always had my way. And that is part of the magic of having a young bride that you may never know because of your distrust or lack of access of the strong supportive community as I mention.

Such settings are few but should be encouraged, and by this way of upbringing, the next generation of adults would be equally joyful and privileged, to influence society to a happier and freer world. I partook of a different form, (not a child bride) and here I am sharing what I have ‘gained’, though throughout there was much anger at the freedom I always felt and still wish to share.

The gain I mention above is incalculable as opposed to the devastating social engineering occurring this day. Though with caveats as in my earlier comment. Think deeper and in the right setting and conditions, the above culture is a wonder and luxury to behold that while out of reach to most today, should really be extended to all peoples of the world in time to come.

AgreeToDisagree
10 December 2010 – 5:46 pm

hi Noreen :

You said ” My question is why not? Writers write, readers decide.”

True but entirely neglecting the finer point I will now discuss below.

But too many people don’t really know their own mind or have had time to develop the intelligence or linguistic skills to make their own opinions or even develop their personality *shock* – schooling is something I feel should begin AFTER age 35 when a stable core personality has developed.

That is also why the AGEISM issue in uniformed or enforcement recruiting – a very vicious agenda that strips a young individual of the opportunity to develop themselves. Do you think a matured soldier who has lived as a civilian would torture prisoners as in Abu Gharaib? Go to war when the reasons are wrong? Hardly, so the young and vulnerable are being targeted and as an matured person (which I assume you are, note I used the word mature, because old age does not make for maturity) it is a responsibility for the conscientious to prevent such ‘collateral damage’ (in afflicting self determinism or formation of opinion) which I see many writers in many online mags or blogs neglecting to address entirely.

So when you write, you could end up inadvertently subsuming any opinions a reader might have had or that were in formation! Especially the less intelligent ones or those from lower socio-political classes who have been inculpated with ‘approval seeking’ natures.

Perhaps forums should have a rating system or warning (by the Information Ministry – which obviously is a propaganda machine with no sense of right or wrong, save for the political forces currently at sway) on the above matters to better prepare the readers for strong opinions that effectively end up as an imposition of ‘social engeineering’ without ‘informed consent’.

For added responsibility and respect for the free will of others to avoid this problem, such safeguards and considerations must always be met and never trivilised or neglected unless we have an ‘agenda’.

Now I do not know you well enough to judge that you have been tainted by communication with such people but if you are, please drop those guys, even if they pay you a salary to spin, and begin writing CONSCIENTIOUSLY and in a NEUTRAL manner.

As we communicate, more problems are identified and better ways of communication and social development are discovered. I think there are many who would find this exchange on the issue itself and the ‘why not’ you have brought up useful. Also very appreciative on the replies! Some article writers only want to pontificate and never engage or discuss as if theirs was the gospel tructh, others twist your comments via selective moderation, I really appreciate this and our so-called ‘aduns’ should learn to communicate with the Rakyat who voted them in after all.

Nice chatting!

KoE
10 December 2010 – 4:58 pm

I’m surprise that the writer failed to understand that the teachings and the attributes of Prophet Muhammad PBUH are universal and stand correct across the time

Oneofthesedays
10 December 2010 – 4:53 pm

@zenonidenoni

when are you marrying your 14 year-old?

pedophile defender = pedophile

so nothing you have said has any credibility.

the pervert teacher should be arrested for rape and not be allowed near children unsupervised ever again.

L
10 December 2010 – 1:48 pm

i enjoy reading your article. it is refreshing to see how some people in the community have a strong opinion against such a practice.

just because marriage has legalized sex with a minor, it doesn’t mean that it is not paedophilia. that is an extreme view, i am aware of that. but such a view cannot be dismissed altogether.

and as Marina Mahathir had said in her column in The Star, marrying a teenager just for the sake of preventing “social ills” such as pre-marital sex can actually lead to bigger social ills like abuse, lack of education for the female bride therefore lack of her ability to fend for herself and thus have to be entirely dependent on her husband to decide her life for her as per his will…etc.

those who advocate this practice are supporters of a repressive patriarchal system who believe a woman’s purpose in life is to be a good wife and serve the man, who then will have all the rights to determine her life for her. Women are humans too, in case you have not noticed. Women have the right to choose…yes…some may choose marriage. but if at a young age, how sure are we that that choice is a choice made by an uninfluenced mind with a clear and rational idea of what she is committing herself towards. some laws need to be enacted to protect people from their closest people, their love interests, families and even from themselves, in order to adequately protect their rights as a human, deserving of every freedom a human is entitled to.

zenonidenoni
10 December 2010 – 9:54 am

You can’t just declare a war and then back off..

But hey, no need to raise the alarm, I come in peace. And I did not say you insult the Prophet SAW. Only that I read that you talked about stone age in one paragraph, and the next paragraph you continue with a doubt about the Prophet decision if he was here. There is a link of ideas going on.. which I understood you wanted to say that the Prophet lived in the stone age…something like that.

And hey again, I think we should say to the girl to learn to be a good wife, and we should say to the husband, be gentle to your wife and we should say to their families we support you although we differ in our actions and decisions because we know this is not wrong and it has nothing to do with public opinion because this is their private life. Or just say something good and not being “buruk sangka” to other people.

Noreen
10 December 2010 – 7:38 am

Hi All,

Thank you for all your comments. It feels great that this article has evoked many thoughts and opinions. You have made me more inspired because the worst thing about writing is not having any readers at all.

Anyway: –

Dear Zedoninonini,

I am sorry to disappoint you but I am not taking up your challenge. Firstly because I am fully aware of my credibility and credentials when I wrote this. I do not have to prove this to anyone, certainly not to you. Secondly, I do not how you read the article, I did not insult Prophet Mohammad. Thank you for your comments.

Dear Agree to Disagree,

I see your points and if I had not formed any opinion on the issue of underage marriages,I might actually agree with all that you have just said. One point though, when you said “writers should not make opinions on any lifestyle as if it were the only way to live”. My question is why not? Writers write, readers decide.

zenonidenoni
10 December 2010 – 5:45 am

Salam, I am here to defend the Prophet Muhammad SAW although he does not need anyone to defend himself, but I’m doing it because I love him. Therefore O Writer of the Post, I have seven questions to challenge your credibility to have your opinion made public and yet accepted upon this gray issue. What you had wrote will surely applauded by disbelievers who always looking not by the wisdom of the Deen of Haq. Herewith are my questions:

1. Regardless of your marital status, what will you consider a marriage is, a gift from Allah, natural selection or a curse?

2. Have you studied intensively the story of the Prophet Muhammad SAW that you come to a conclusion that he will not get married to Aisyah r.a. if they live in this modern age?

3. You said, “I have forgotten that times may have changed but some minds are still trapped in the Stone Age.” Well, do you believe that there was a period in time called the Stone Age? What do you think when I say that there were the Age of the Prophets and the Age of the Kings and the bones and potteries that were found in the caves that are claimed to be from the Stone Age were just from people who somehow got disconnected from the ancient civilizations and beside that, there will always be foolish people all around these ages to believe that there was a Stone Age?

4. Do you know the teacher, the girl and their parents that you can just ignorantly depict them as the third world people? By the way, what world are you in? The dark matter world?

5. Can I blame you and other people that are with the same tune as your opinion in this matter if the marriage mentioned above fail? Why? Maybe because you are not being supportive to them and that make them in a state of under public pressure and scrutiny.

6. Don’t you agree that by marrying early enable the girl to learn and master the art of being a good and pious wife earlier than you do?

7. Why do you think the Prophet married Aisyah r.a. at her tender age?

P/s: Somebody posted this thread on a forum I used to follow (Darksiderg.com, under the column Banana Republic)

QUOTE

i just dont think its right to follow the preachings of someone who has sex with nine year old girls or takes his sons wife for his self because god told him to after he seen her naked.

END QUOTE

Here lies my answer to such accusation.
http://tinyslave.blogspot.com/2007/11/insulted.ht…

AgreeToDisagree
10 December 2010 – 12:23 am

You can’t have everything, so either choose :

(1) the marriage route which is a luxury in this day and age or

(2) the education and work route which most middle class types are forced to because they have no choice.

But nobody should have any lifestyle forced upon them or promoted as the only lifestyle as well. If future hubby is too poor to hire a maid (no more cleaning), a cook (no preperation of breakfast or meals) or a child minder (no more looking after of kids) or even a wet nurse (no more feeding, though most mothers probably would), then look at your family stature and decide if he is suitable for you. The above ‘chores’ should not be presented as a set of DEMANDS of marriage but are as optional as the young brides’ preference. Some might ENJOY the tasks and even refuse to let the hired help do the work. It’s not unknown and the sheer domesticity of ‘chores’ is the basis of happy marriages, depending on the personality of those being considered!

Affairs of the heart can always be fulfilled at any age, once biologically capable and with INFORMED CONSENT and knowledge of parents and community. Attachment to a husband is something that varies greatly between women, so early marriage is just another option and adds diversity to viable lifestyles that deserves the support of society as well.

Meanwhile the government could have a preparatory syllabus drawn up for young brides, and make sure the local Wanita branch of whatever party locally, is always watching over and constantly in communication with any young wives to make sure no abuses occur. This should make sure that all husbands (stop with the AGEISM which is no better than RACISM, old age is the breakdown of a body nothing else) treats young wives well and instills a sense of responsibility as well.

Writers should not make opinions on any lifestyle as if it were the only way to live. In truth, some girls would be very happy and fulfilled as a mother early in life, while others would not. So a study of the personality of the would-be bride should be done by parents on both sides and NEUTRAL matured people/professionals who do not advocate either life style as gospel truth the way this writer does.

Light demogoguery by Ms Ariff? She has chosen a path that she prefers or was swept into. The least the writer can do is to let others choose their own way of living without any pushing in any direction. That is the nature of free will and self determinism. Let all choose who to love, and when to marry, preferably after the above social checks and balances and opinion feedbacks have been made.

Steven
10 December 2010 – 12:16 am

Would statutory rape for minor below 16 years apply if the husband has sex with his so call wife.

Serious Shepherd
10 December 2010 – 12:09 am

Set of law A says:

-Killing foetuses is legal

-Adultery is legal if you and your partner are above 18 years old

-If one of the partners is under 18 then it is a statutory rape, even it is done through marriage

-If both are under 18 and commit adultery, then has to come out with something like Romeo and Juliet laws (let’s say both are 16)

Set of law B says:

-Killing foetuses is illegal

-Thou shalt not commit adultery regradless of age. Harsh punishment awaits. Khalwat raiders are always on active duty.

-It is legal for a guy above 18 to marry a girl under 18

If a community already adopts set of law B then there is no need for set of law A to be imposed on them. It’s like doing moral policing to a certain community who later complains on ‘imposing their moral values on others’.

anak_perelih
9 December 2010 – 6:01 pm

many 14 years old girls nowadays are having sex with their boyfriends… not a surprise…

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Not meaning to be critical but try this lullaby :

Hush, little baby, don’t say a word, Mama’s gonna buy you a mockingbird. (What does a baby need a mockingbird for? How about mixing with fellow babies at a crech?)
And if that mockingbird don’t sing, Mama’s gonna buy you a diamond ring. (Guess this is not ‘Career Woman’ Noreen’s bag? And yes thats really too early . . . )
etc. ends with :

And if that horse and cart fall down, Well you’ll still be the sweetest baby in town. (Horse and cart? Try singing about teats, cribs and bibs first ‘Mama’. ‘Mama’ in this song increasingly feels like a ‘Replicant’ from ‘Bladerunner’ (Ridley Scott 1982) not knowing or confounded by the difference between Tortoises and Turtles . . .

So guess what, the rest of the song here continues ‘gifting’ things that aren’t very useful to a baby or a child and ends with . . .  still be the sweetest baby in town . . . OMG the ‘Psycho’ scenario! The whole song appears to be geared towards not wanting baby to grow up or leave (horse and cart fall down . . . )?

Guess mothers even of that day were THAT clingy and selfish or didn’t know what a child liked. A mockingbird?!? Really? Does that come in a cage? How about something more cheerful and boisterous like so many songbirds in the wild which are free? And WHY must that dog be pre-named ‘Rover’? Baby or child might want to name their dog themselves, who knows baby or child prefers cats or no pets at all?

Good intentions without consultation of the receipient or consideration of the recipient’s preferences make for meaningless pontificative communication . . . Sigh, this lullaby is depressing and smothering – promise rewards for being quiet when QUESTIONING and DEBATING – AMENDING/APPENDING (to) FLAWED CONSTITUTIONS and BAD LAWS! So Noreen, how could anyone try to ‘imprint’ an article upon the readers like this much like the above lullaby does – imagine the negative subliminal effects such ‘lullabies’ might have on the subconscious! Freedom of choice is best and THAT covers APOSTASY and choice of sexuality, something Malaysia does not have. Noreen, taking away choice to get married young is no different than being forced to marry, and in this day and age, people love to stand out, no surprise that when everyone is studying those individualists who want to stand out will purposely get married and become mothers! You’re raining on an individualist Noreen, even as you yourself have become ‘Pro-Establishment’ (. . . probably, though perhaps I am too hopeful . . . ) without knowing so.

How about running for election on the below 3 items as an independent Noreen?

1) Freedom from Apartheid/Fascism (Article 1 Human Rights Charter)
2) Freedom from Religious-Persecution/Religious-Supremacy. (Article 18 Human Rights Charter)
3) Equality for all ethnicities and faiths in all aspects of policy, Law and Constitution. (Surah An Nisa 4:75)

;and lower election deposits to 150.00 instead of 15,000.00, remove ALL road tolls (Freedom of Movement), remove AP (remove crony-capitalism), lower import taxes to DUTY FREE (remove state/retailer collusion to fleech consumers), end Forced Military Conscriptions (end rent seeking),

distribute unused land to the homeless (socialism but would you rather have 1% plutocrats with an angry 99% homeless, debt ridden, becoming gangs of thieves/robbers, or NGO ralliers running around, or distribute and aloow them to slowly build their homes into castles, contentedly smoking weed or poppy sap, chewing coca they grew in their own backyard for free and eating food they grew themselves?). Malaysia is a land of plenty, we do not need taxes, illegal immigrants being given free citizenships out of sheer racism or religiosity, and fees every step of the way right down to the apartheid and extreme religion. This is just step 1.

When the above all happens, then will new things appear for humanity – at least in Malaysia. If we can’t even do the above 3 for a start much less what I just listed, at least don’t try to ‘Lowest Common Denominatorise’ or ‘Streamline into Conformity’ individuals that have the strength to go against the mainstream.

ARTICLE 2

18-Year-Old Busted for “Selling Child Porn” of Herself – Author: Artefact – Date: Jun 28, 2010 23:20 JST

An 18-year-old girl has been arrested on child pornography charges for selling nude pictures of herself online.

The girl, an 18-year-old unemployed resident of Saitama, was arrested on charges of selling child pornography after she sold nude pictures of herself to men online using an Internet bulletin board.

Reportedly, from December of 2009 to April of 2010 she took a number of pictures of herself naked with her cellphone, in one case selling 33 to a pair of patrons for ¥12,000.

She identified customer bank accounts, allowing police to identify 147 customers who paid her a total of ¥1,070,000 ($12,000). It is not clear whether police will be pursuing charges against them.

She admits the charges, saying she used the money to pay her rent and food bills as she had left home.

18-year-olds, though still technically minors under Japanese law, are perfectly legal to portray pornographically in Japan – although unconfirmed, observers think the most likely explanation for her arrest is that some of the photographs were of her when she was still 17, though naturally this hardly constitutes “child pornography” in the eyes of most.

The arrest has proven contentious amongst Japanese – some have denounced it as a typical abuse of a bad law in order to terrorise minors into chastity, whilst others express disgust at police and mass media which insist on calling an 18-year-old a “shoujo” instead of a young woman. None can identify a victim involved in the crime.

Ironically, she would not have faced any charges had she just had sex with the men for money, or sold them her pantsu, even if she was a minor at the time – Japanese police never take legal action against “child” prostitutes, except apparently when they happen to take pictures of themselves.

Even more ironically, in most parts of Japan a schoolgirl can be procured for much less than the patrons mentioned paid for a few dirty snaps…

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Comment by Anonymous (@AgreeToDisagree being too lazy to fill inthe forms and Sankoku COmplex being too daft to include a comments system that allows posting Anonymously with personalised nicks . . . ) 09:08 01/07/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

Innocent-Guilty Questionaire Factors (Yes/No questions determine what charges can be brought on. treat each question as a Juror).

*Abstract Factors
1) Who initiated the first move (threw the first punch)? Was this ‘serial’ / ‘habitual’ in nature or due to ‘natural feelings of ‘love’?
2) Was act Consensual-Non-Coercive / Bribe-Pressure Induced (Did victim feel taken advantage of? Perpetrator’s view of advantage taking form could be created.)
3) Was the victim psychologically mature and intellectually capable of understanding relationships, has studied the subject sufficiently to make informed decisions? Psychological maturity could be tested to determine age for right to consent regardless of age.
4) Cultural norm/practice justification?

In this Sankaku example, factors 1, 2, 3 can be discounted. Factor 4 is debatable to a 50/50 degree.

*Material Factors
1) Onset of puberty another determining factor (Increases right based on uncontrollable chemical/mating instinct?)
2) Physical maturity another determining factor (Increases right based on ‘can carry to term with no significant risk to victim’ as in life threatening Caesarians being required as opposed to having capacity for natural birth, regardless of pregnancy or non-pregnancy after the act)
3) Is the victim a financial dependent? (Debatable : Financial dependent allowed/disallowed regardless of maturity AND if underage OR pre-pubescent may not be allowed to consent regardless of psychological maturity? Further – Can the law demand that Parental consent is required without trampling on self determinism and creating uproar among religious demographic? Is fiscal and statuary age based control of right of sexual association unconstitutional? (Leads to child labour laws AND psychological maturity issues / Application to pornograpy and media?)

In this Sankaku example, all 3 Factors can be discounted.

Verdict : 0.5 out of 7. Not guilty. Free her now with reparations pls., her ‘legal system unaffirmed’ human rights are being trampled on.

ARTICLE 3

NOW, even 6-year-old girls say they want to be ‘SEXY’ – Friday, 20 July 2012 18:22

Today in bleeeeeeeeuuuuuurrrrrrrrrgh, a new study in the journal Sex Roles suggests that girls as young as six years old are concerned with appearing “sexy.” As in, sexually attractive. To other people. With their bodies. In public. At the risk of getting all preachy about “the children,” I’d like to invite you all to join me in a rousing chorus of, “Holy shit!!! The chiiiiildreeeeeeen!!!”

Now, obviously “sexiness” doesn’t really mean anything to little kids, as much as they think they understand it. If my collection of wide-leg pants, head-bandannas, maroon clogs, and polyester potato sacks is any indication, I definitely didn’t get a handle on sexiness until I was like…24. At least. 25, maybe. Do I even know now? Whatever. I didn’t know what it was or how to do it, but I knew that I wanted it—because, in the grand scheme of things, the girls that had “it” were the girls that got what they wanted. Sexiness is the source of our power, society says. It’s what makes you a girl. So only, like, a baby snail in a coma would be naive enough to imagine that that attitude wouldn’t trickle down to the children. Kids are sponges. Which means that now kids are sexy sponges. Bleurgh.

Researchers presented 6- to 9-year-old girls with a series of paired paper dolls: one doll in a “sexy” outfit and the other in a trendy but full-coverage outfit.

Using a different set of dolls for each question, the researchers then asked each girl to choose the doll that: looked like herself, looked how she wanted to look, was the popular girl in school, she wanted to play with.

Across-the-board, girls chose the “sexy” doll most often. The results were significant in two categories: 68 percent of the girls said the doll looked how she wanted to look, and 72 percent said she was more popular than the non-sexy doll.

Girls who played sports chose the non-sexualized doll more often. Girls who both watched a lot of TV and had mothers with “self-objectifying tendencies” were more likely to choose the sexy doll. But on the flipside, girls who watched a lot of TV but received “maternal instruction during media viewing” (i.e. smart, attentive moms who made sure to call bullshit on bullshit) were somewhat more protected from self-sexualization. Media-consuming girls with religious mothers were similarly non-sexualized. However, perhaps most interestingly:

Girls who didn’t consume a lot of media but who had religious mothers were much more likely to say they wanted to look like the sexy doll. “This pattern of results may reflect a case of ‘forbidden fruit’ or reactance, whereby young girls who are overprotected from the perceived ills of media by highly religious parents … begin to idealize the forbidden due to their underexposure,” the authors wrote…”low media consumption is not a silver bullet” against early self-sexualization in girls.

And that gets directly to the heart of my feelings about this whole creep-show. The knee-jerk response is to blame Katy Perry, and Sydney Bristow, and Bratz dolls, and brokeback lady heroes. There’s no comic book lady-lawyer with a bionic briefcase whose superpower is competence and whose costume is a sensible pantsuit. That doesn’t exist. And that particular cultural flaw certainly doesn’t help little girls prioritize brains over butts. But it’s still just an intermediate symptom, not the cause.

Here’s the cause: Exactly one jillion years ago (historical accuracy courtesy of Lindy West, Lady Anthropologist), some genius decided that the human body was shameful. Especially the female human body. And the disgusting, shameful human body needed to be cloaked at all times, or else DOOM. Certain religious people (see above) are especially excited about this idea. Except simultaneously, some other genius decided that the female body is a precious, possessable commodity that can be sold and traded and hoarded like big floppy flesh-bucks. So that creates this crazy taboo where everyone is clamoring to see naked female bodies all the time, but they feel weird and guilty about it, which makes them mad at females who show their bodies too much, but also makes everyone worship females who show their bodies just enough (but also kind of hate them at the same time). And then women hate other women with “better” bodies, and little kids get the message that they’d better have the “right” kind of body and display it in the “right” way, or they’re screwed. It’s waaaaay more complicated than that, of course, but my point is that our entire relationship with human bodies is FUCKED.

There’s nothing objectively shameful about a body, which means there’s nothing objectively shameful about those outfits on the “sexy” paper dolls. (You never hear some badger mom complaining to Mole-ry Povich that her litter “dresses too sexy,” because that is just some weird shit that humans made up.) A “slutty” outfit is nothing but a different configuration of fabric. But because of the aforementioned taboo, and the commodification of the female body, and the way that certain religious folks combine those two things in the most fucked up and oppressive way possible, bodies mean everything. And 6-year-old girls internalize that and wind up “wanting” things that they don’t even understand: things that (supposedly) telegraph sexual desirability, things that (they think) will bolster their tiny ailing self-esteems. Things like, if this study is any indication, some shitty pleather bustier from the bargain bin at Lover’s Package.

And then we blame…pleather? Nope, sorry, this is our mess. You can froth about Barbies and shame Katy Perry all you want, religious mothers, but remember: you made Katy Perry.

-=jezebel.com

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Narrow minded display. That article is only true of a a certain demographic though the article itself creates bias in the readers who are not particularly familiar with or generally applying of critical thought, the voices mentioned above may be loud or even a majority but why should anyone care? There is also the set that wants to be in diapers and be breast fed by their mothers up to their tweens or worse, until ‘Psycho’ (1960 Alfred Hitchcock) scenarios occur but even that is their right though the murder was illegal and undesirable ( unless that was somehow subconsciously desired by Norman’s old mother). Other mothers sleep around, give birth and do not care about who does the adoption. Yet others collect as many orphans as they can to appear ‘cool’ and ‘kind’ while dripping evil on all other counts. This kids and sexiness thing is probably another fringe group who have parents that allow or foster or hacve been involved (gasp!) in this. Must be aware that generations ago, showing an ankle or even the neck was ‘sexy’. So who made the writer Ayatollah? People INCLUDING children will choose their preferences and regret the same or not later. Thats what being an individual is all about not biological age, though consent and free will of the child must be considered (i.e the child may want to continue family behaviour even if negative or may opt out the key issue is if the child has be taught to decide if said child wants to or not of said child’s free will).

The writer sounds really old and narrow minded here. There will always be burkha wearers even as there will be nudists. Or psychedelic organics smokers and those who avoid the same people and substances like plague. MINORITY OF ONE is a human right. It’s just that freedom of expression now FOR CHILDREN is much stronger than ever. Humanity is evolving even as fashionably outdated type memes will most certainly endure. Why rain on some kid’s ‘sexiness parade’? When people attempt to normalise anything or when everyone is a clone THEN that is more fightening. By sheer value in diversity, anyone should feel happy this is being expressed, though there should also be a open ended manual for children to study and be tested from, and discussion on what could or could not happen rather than NON-CONSENSUAL imprinting by parents, religions or society in a manner that subsumes a child’s free will which is what the 1st World and modern society or the ‘Minority of One’ concept (which is almost never practiced in law) is all about rather than the child’s own natural inclinations which must also be differentiated from stronger minds manipulating from the background in a form of ‘psychic dictatorship or ]’psychic subversion’ much like cults of personality that can demand all followers suicide and the group actually does that.

I.e. for a further example of free will – sex predators, which again some kids could actually want to ‘tame’ (or who knows HEAL with . . . , let your imagination run wild but this response at least comes from a Borticelli bod type lover . . . ), YES the fearlessness of the young is something that could change a sex predator brought up in older, less free willed times, the interactions are boundless – (and here we have ‘@jezebel’, yeah right – whats so ‘jezebel’ about snarking at kids wanting to be sexy? There will be some happy endings, some weird situations not too healthy, some though less – happy and even plain abusive where we must really step in but hardly on the above ‘want to be sexy’ example) – but in the history of mankind, probably most instances were not reported because internet media was not present. Stop nitpicking or being a control freak unless a particularly unpleasant incident happens. A below 10 kid loses their virginity. So? In some cases the kid themself might not even care and grow up into a career woman or get married as a mother without the psychosis that plagues those who come from strict prison-like chastity belt wearing convents or where parents beat children with belts and canes, or where even a slap or vicious scoldings could turn a child into some kind of hateful boss that enjoys bullying subordinates, or that loves to sabotage society by writing bad laws or even refusing to amend bad laws!

The frequency of ‘strange’ events like ‘kids wanting to be sexy’ is not increasing, more likely, we are just aware of the events because of new media and that society has chosen to live and let live rather than scream and spaz out in terror becuse these are not the values they are used to. Much like Burkha wearers and women forbidden to drive. They have a new voice and dare to express. So shaddup @jezebel, this dangerous potentially retaliatory, demogogue rousing musing bores the hell out of everyone. Ask around I’m very sure there are some who regret what not, but also some who would do eveything all over again, the point was to live for the moment, and the physical shell of the moment is but  a reflection of commitment to reality beyond the physical, which is why some these youth appear so feckless – there is nothing left out there except values and religions that threaten to leave one’s souls even emptier, little wonder they run straight into to subculture or even BDSM lot!

So yes if somehow things work out in some strange way, we the responsible adults (who do not demogogue) MUST let them as private individuals do what they want. Some may even choose suicide victim or abuser, but the soul knows when and why, and we cannot presume to act on or manipulate on any other soul’s behalf as if we had none of our own and wanted to interfere in  any other’s spiritual evolution. This is not pleasant or safe to say, BUT – if a victim gettting raped or a rapist getting away is part of that in some twisted manner, so that some sick pedophile gets a soul of their own (a soul for a rape event is WELL WORTH, and the attacker could go on to great things if we do not destroy them and they humannise fast enough to empathise with the victim etc..) or prevents the next Anti-Pope from being born, who knows what we could be causing if we prevented or pre-empted something else. Nature’s paths are many, and the mass killer who randomly kills Columbine style, could very well be killing some person who might give birth to someone who studies well as a nice scientist who ends up developing virulent poisons for some souless ‘Weyland-Yutani’  (refer to Aliens 1989 – Ridley Scott) type GMO/Genesplicing-toting corporation, or develops mind control technology that vicious minded dictators will destroy the free will of man with, or even brings black plague to the American continent etc..  . . . in the past? WHO ARE ANY TO DARE BLOCK FATE?

Here’s one mass murder that could have averted a Red Alert ‘Yuri’ (2001 EA Games) scenario where the world ends with all Humanity wiped out by mind control. Imagine if the below Holmes character got together with Biopolis Neuroscience Singapore and developed mind control technology that was inserted into BABIES brains at nanoscale or National Service Trainees on their 18th birthdays . . . aren’t we all glad Holmes flipped out instead of becoming a ‘Kroenen Nazi’ (Hellboy I – Guillermo del Toro 2004) under the employ of Nepotistic Dictator types?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2176579/Dropout-PHD-student-massacre-12-cinema-screening.html

Perhaps an intergalactic war could be averted because a cockroach was not stepped on and some insect-like aliens were pleased into putting that planet into the lower priority conquest list (lets return after conquest of planets that stomp on bugs more than this one . . . ). How does one know? Perhaps because some pedophile killed in this life (for those who believe in rebirth) because in a past life that pedophile was killed by that same child who victimised them? Do we know how this works? Know past, present, and future? If some kid dresses sexy in some abstruse manner that keeps pedophiles distracted so that they do not become a sexually frustrated and trigger happy nuke fire control person (if I were a military chief of a country with nukes, I’d make very sure that Mr.Push-the-Red-Button is well laid and has all the poon and sex he wants ALL THE TIME), that would kill millions and irradiate the planet. This would require an adult services industry for the unmarried AND a legal system where multiple wives were legal and upfront so that both married and unmarried types will have access. The spin off benefit would be that 2nd Amendment Rights would be very safe to have as well – Mr.Redneck would be happy knowing he could kill you with a shot and thus does not feel the need to go on a killing spree, though genuine psychos could well still be present! Check the mindsets of the potential buyers, licence guns etc. but to prohibit is stupid and insulting to intelligence, which again could upset people into smuggling and using guns as often as they can in some oblique form of protest at lack of right to bear arms!

I’d say lets turn the whole world into a red light district that also has organic psychedelics bars, distribute land and wealth equally, so that everyone was relaxed and pleasantly distracted than being put into situations that cause, frustrate or necessitate them to want to bend reality even as they bend in reality’s wind. See the angriest religion? The most capitalist country? Guess how unqualified they are to be morally pure/fiscally sound but so willing to commit acts of terror/so bankrupt . . . And here we have @jezebel wanting to diss ‘kids trying to be sexy’. These PERSONS (do not labelise as kids) are doing something not so nice as viewed by most of us who do not like that sort of thing, but sure as hell if adults don’t understand (much like heteros will never understand some people are gay, or bisexual), adults better shut up and see whether the kids or insane or the pedos are taking our souls or saving the world first, before firing socialised abuse without any warning, much less killing shots (in collusion with an already insane psychiatric establishment) that destroys persons engaging in general discussions on ideas like ‘kids trying to be sexy’.

We are not party to these people, have no right to judge, but can and should study and ask why and how FIRST, yet not condemn or prevent except in cases of coercion or unwanted and abusive grooming. This really is the best way – Live and Let Live . . . because things happen for a reason and must happen. That person left unmurdered could result in the murder of millions more simply because the system took out or disabled the would be murderer first. The fact might be that a murder in a particular neighbourhood was necessary! Lots of very bad people who have not been punished in former lives, dare think to presume to let them escape when ‘Punishers Through Time’ appear on the scene? How close or well studied are any to say? There will indeed be signs and thieves of signs covering up for more on the run from justice . . . stay the judgment from a past life but punishment will still arrive.

Civilise or stop a murderer and another will arise to claim the prize, do the job . . .  Legion is many and reaches the ends of all civilisations and sentients in the Universe, Mankind cannot even manage their own planet’s ecology, preserve and maintain species diversiy or raise their lesser setient charges to a state of equality (try Cetaceans and Canines, Felines even Rodents) much less handle issues of equality and abuse in societies within Humanity on Earth . . .

‘God’ or ‘Nature’ created EVERYTHING, including the birthers, predators and cullers, quakers, Earthquakers of who and whatever. A cyle of life across time and dimensions needs predators or overpopulation will destroy or cause harm to societies of the prey. Thwart that immense will and unseen intent at severe cost to the Universe, to indulge the evil of one’s own fat or sanctimonious ego . . . This response is NOT  intended or to be twisted to be in favour of sex oriented paedophiles (FINALLY – the word paedophile is not necessarily sexual btw, just straightening out hegelian dialectic floating around the use and abuse of the word demogogue style.Declaring one’s own ‘paedophilia’ (not recommended these days until the above written sinks in) is not sexual deviancy – good understanding of vocabulary says so current trends have twisted the word out of context – LEARN about hegelian dialectic and apply against government!!!  . . . , so now think back to how people who dislike kids are really almost safer and less mentally exhaustive to be around in certain ways, yer lazy brains . . . bleeeeeeeeuuuuuurrrrrrrrrgh indeed.

QUOTE “ . . . anger a Foetal/Foetid, end the Universe . . . ” excerpt from “Events, Event Horizons and Relations (and Bendings in) To Time” (by @Post Millenial Avatar)

3 Articles on Better Judgments (II) – reposted by @AgreeToDisagree – 12th February 2012

In Abuse of Power, Bad By-Laws, bad laws, drugs, intent, Justice, Law, media, terrorists on February 12, 2012 at 10:39 am

ARTICLE 1

Thai Girl Sentenced to Death for Transporting Drugs Posted on February 11, 2012

Raveeploy Sangkam is a salesgirl from Thailand swallowed 83 pellets containing drugs. She was sentenced to death by a High Court in nearby Malaysia for trafficking in 765.9gm of cocaine.

She committed the offense in a bathroom of the Serdang Hospital in Sepang between 5-8 November, 2010.  Raveeploy was detained at the Kuala Lumpur  International Airport (Malaysia) upon arriving from Buenos Aires, Argentina.  This was a transit stop for her before taking a flight on to Bangkok.

The authorities found nothing in her bag but when they brought her to the hospital and did an X-ray examination, they found foreign objects in her body. 83 pellets were found (in her stool).

According to testimony in court, the accused had met an Argentinian man named Rado on the Internet.  Raveeploy then travelled to Argentina to meet Rado.  It was said that Rado had asked her to carry the drug pellets and promised her US$5,000 upon her arrival in Bangkok.

The accused swallowed the pellets 7 hours before her flight

This sentence is ludicrous, but the woman concerned is obviously pretty stupid as well. Killing people doesn’t deter those who are greedy, desperate or stupid – all it does is fuel the demand for the drug suppliers to find more people to run the risk.

It’s high time the entire approach to drugs changed, but in the meantime while we live in this barbaric world, stay away from any illegal substance in Asia.

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Though there was intent to distribute dangerous drugs, none were distributed and the offender did not harm anyone and does not need to lose her life. Save taxpayer on the applied hanging death (a circus of viciousness if anything) and kick the offender Raveeploy Sangkam out of the country you prison contractor enriching judges! Send them to the freest of the 3rd world or those drug legalized countries where they will be happy with the laws there, and can get stoned, grow psychedelics and hallucinate until the next Messiah arrives (this is up to Thailand to decide when of course – nabbing dealers and traffickers who would otherwise be salesmen and merchants and growers there will result in more rubbish). Give them a nice list of countries to choose from or just END PROHIBITION LAWS. But bar them from using passports after they reach their destination. Another drug addict or few in those areas will make no difference. The onus of prevention is upon the authorities. This is wasted manpower and funds when a simple solution as above can be used. Well send them to their fav place since none died, waste of money. Otherwise amend those laws and legalize with price controls and state controlled sales!

ARTICLE 2

Big Ben terror gang get shorter jail terms: Credit for early pleas that saved taxpayers £2.5m By Rebecca Camber Last updated at 8:01 AM on 10th February 2012

Ringleader: Mohammed Chowdhury was jailed for 13 years and eight months for his part in the plot

Nine men who plotted a Mumbai-style series of terror attacks on Britain had their sentences cut by a fifth yesterday after their guilty pleas prevented a £2.5million trial.

A judge ruled that the fanatics who plotted a Christmas bombing campaign with targets including the London Stock Exchange, Big Ben and Westminster Abbey should serve 20 per cent less time behind bars in exchange for the 11th-hour plea bargain.

Mr Justice Wilkie said the gang deserved double the 10 per cent credit usually given for a guilty plea because their high-security trial would have lasted five months, costing the taxpayer an estimated £2.5million.

The ruling means that the group’s ringleader Mohammed Chowdhury, 21, will walk free in less than six years.

Other members of the gang received even shorter terms, with one set to serve less than two years.

All nine defendants pleaded guilty last week on the eve of their trial following a so-called ‘Goodyear’ direction hearing, in which defence barristers received guidance from the judge about the length of sentence the defendants would expect if they admitted guilt.

Shah Rahman
Gurukanth Desai

Abdul Miah
Omar Latif

Usman Khan
Mohammed Shahjahan

Mohibur Rahman
Nazam Hussain

Guilty: (Top row and left on 2nd row) Shah Rahman, Gurukanth Desai and Abdul Miah, who were part of the quartet guilty of the most serious terror charges in the case. On the 2nd row, right, is Omar Latif, from Cardiff. Left to right on the third row are Usman Khan and Mohammed Shahjahan from Stoke and on the bottom row are Mohibur Rahman and Nazam Hussain, also from Stoke : THE SENTENCES IN FULL

Mohammed Chowdhury – extended sentence of 18 years and 8 months with a custodial element of 13 years and eight months.
Gurukanth Desai – extended sentence of 17 years with a custodial element of 12 years
Nazam Hussain – indeterminate sentence with a minimum term of eight years
Usman Khan – indeterminate sentence with a minimum term of eight years
Omar Latif – extended sentence of 15 years and four months with a 10 years and four months custodial element
Abdul Miah – extended sentence of 21 years and 10 months, with a 16 years and 10 months custodial element
Mohibur Rahman – five years in prison
Shah Rahman – extended sentence of 18 years with a custodial element of 12 years.
Mohammed Shahjahan – indeterminate sentence with a minimum term of eight years and ten months.

Yesterday Mr Justice Wilkie said: ‘In most cases a plea of guilty on the outset of the trial results in a discount against sentence of the order of 10  per cent.

‘This is a trial of unusual complexity and length. Had it [been] fought it was estimated that it could have lasted up to five months at huge further public expense.’

He added that because the defendants pleaded guilty to ‘very serious’ offences and exposed themselves to ‘lengthy’ prison sentences, ‘in my judgment the appropriate discount for a plea of guilty in this case is of the order of 20 per cent’.

Last night Tory MP Patrick Mercer questioned whether the cost of a trial should determine the tariff of terrorists who could have killed thousands.

Had they faced trial, the plotters could have expected sentences of about 20 years.

‘We have to ask if it’s right that cost overrules a serious and credible punishment,’ Mr Mercer said.

‘Whilst there is more to this than meets the eye, a light sentence like this has always got to be balanced against its deterrent effect. Six or so years seems remarkably lenient in respect of plans to murder huge numbers of people.’

Target: The group had lined up Big Ben (right) on their terror hitlist of iconic London landmarks

Target: The London Stock Exchange was on a list of terror targets found by police

Plot: The group planned to send a mail bomb to the American Embassy in London

Plot: The group planned to send a mail bomb to the American Embassy in London

Police arrested the Al-Qaeda-inspired radicals on December 20, 2010, four days before they planned to plant their first bomb in the toilets of the London Stock Exchange.

They found a handwritten list of targets which included the U.S. Embassy and the homes of London Mayor Boris Johnson, the Dean of St Paul’s Cathedral and two rabbis.

Target: London Mayor Boris Johnson’s name and home address appeared on a handwritten list of targets found at Choudhury’s home by police

The gang also carried out surveillance of other possible targets including Big Ben, Westminster Abbey, the Palace of Westminster and the London Eye.

The group planned to send five bombs in the post to London synagogues and the Church of Scientology headquarters, as well as spreading panic in Stoke-on-Trent by planting bombs in pub and club toilets.

Their plot was foiled after the security services bugging their homes and cars heard discussions of a ‘Mumbai’ atrocity on the streets of Britain, mirroring the guerrilla-style 2008 attack in India.

Yesterday police released photographs of the gang holding a series of secret meetings after Chowdhury, of Tower Hamlets, and 29-year-old Shah Rahman, from Newham, travelled from east London to meet Cardiff plotters Omar Latif, 28, Gurukanth Desai, 30, and Abdul Miah, 25, in a country park in Wales.

There, they were met by another terror cell from Stoke-on-Trent comprising Usman Khan, 20, Mohammed Shahjahan, 27, Mohibur Rahman, 27, and Nazam Hussain, 26.

Mr Justice Wilkie said the discussions did not just relate to ‘a single imminent incident’ but ‘a range of possible types of attack and targets’, as well as a plan to ‘finance, construct and operate a terrorist training facility’ in Pakistan.

Surveillance: Chowdhury and Shah Rahman were both seen studying Westminster Abbey

Tourist attraction: The London Eye also came under surveillance

Urban beauty spot: Roath Park in Cardiff, where the gang first met

Chowdhury, Shah Rahman, Miah and Desai admitted preparing to commit an act of terrorism. Chowdhury was handed a 13 year and eight month sentence while Shah Rahman was jailed for at least 12 years, Miah for at least 16 years and 10 months and Desai for at least 12 years.

They will be eligible for release after serving half of their sentence, and are likely to spend even less time behind bars owing to time served on remand.

Of the Stoke-based cell, Shahjahan – described as a serious jihadist who once appeared in a BBC documentary talking about bringing Sharia law to the UK – was given an indeterminate sentence with a minimum term of eight years and ten months.

Khan and Hussain were given indeterminate sentences with a minimum term of eight years. Mohibur Rahman was jailed for five years after pleading guilty to possession of Al-Qaeda magazines featuring bomb-making instructions.

Latif was jailed for 10 years and four months for assisting the others to engage in acts of terrorism by attending two planning meetings.

The comments below have been moderated in advance.

They planned to terrorism and they DESERVE credit for saving the taxpayer money????? What planet do these judges live on?

– MS, England, 10/2/2012 06:47
Rating   15

A plea bargain for this type of attempted crime should be 20 years at least and serve the whole 20 years to avoid life without parole, but that would be in America.

– +Judy+, AMERICA, 10/2/2012 04:27
Rating   27

Once again we get the nonsense about “sentenced to 96 years” when the terrorist with the heaviest sentence will be out in six years.

– Stan Dupp, Letsbee Avenue, UK, 10/2/2012 03:58
Rating   33

Terrorism should = life with no parole!

– ExpatUSA, USA, 10/2/2012 02:57
Rating   34

These despicable, cowardly scumbags should have been sent down for life. Full life.

– Alan Rowley, Sa Kaeo, 10/2/2012 02:06
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I often wonder why the Press frequently give a total prison time as the sum of the number of individual sentences. In this case 94 years ? Gives false impression I think

– Trooper909, London, 10/2/2012 01:44
Rating   28

Well done to those who helped to stop this evil act. I feel sorry for the many genuine Muslims who are often victimised for their faith because of these twisted individuals.

– goodgirl, hull, uk, 10/2/2012 01:34
Rating   13

I can’t believe that people like this are actually walking the streets of Britain !! What a sad state of affairs the politicians of Great Britain have left this country in over the last 40 odd years !!

– Steve, Auck., NZ, 10/2/2012 01:08
Rating   26

Why can’t we have a law that if any person is convicted of terrorist acts or intent to commit terrorist acts, they must be given life sentences without parole? That would ensure that they would never be released, and they would rot away for ever in prison. I would suggest that a special prison be built for such people. Somewhere near the Falklands comes to mind.

– Toby, Salisbury, 10/2/2012 00:44
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6 years in jail for planning mass murder – Unbelievable.

– george, st Ives cambs, 10/2/2012 00:06

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Save on the jail terms and kick them out of the country you prison contractor enriching judges! Send them to the worst of the 3rd world or those fundo countries where they will be happy with the extreme faithers there, and can pray and tend camel herds and eat cactus until the next jihad occurs (this is up to England to decide when of course – sending troops theer will result in more rubbish). Give them a nice list to choose from. But bar them from using passports after they reach their destination. Another terrorist or few in those areas will make no difference. The onus of prevention is upon the authorities. This is wasted manpower and funds when a simple solution as above can be used. Well send them to their fav place since none died and the plot failed, waste of money.

 

 

ARTICLE 3

Mo. teen gets life with possible parole in killing Associated PressBy DAVID A. LIEB | Associated Press – 59 mins ago

FILE – In this Dec. 8, 2009 file photo, Alyssa Bustamante, 15, listens during a brief hearing where her attorney entered not guilty pleas on her behalf to charges of armed criminal action and first-degree murder in Cole County Circuit Court in Jefferson City, Mo. Bustamante, who admitted stabbing, strangling and slitting the throat of a young neighbor girl, wrote in her journal on the night of the killing that it was an “ahmazing” and “pretty enjoyable” experience — then headed off to church with a laugh. The words written by Bustamante were read aloud in court Monday, Feb. 6, 2012, as part of a sentencing hearing to determine whether she should get life in prison or something less for the October 2009 murder of her neighbor, 9-year-old Elizabeth Olten, in a small town west of Jefferson City. (AP Photo/Kelley McCall, Pool, File)View Gallery

FILE – In this Dec. 8, 2009 file photo, Alyssa Bustamante, 15, listens during a brief …
This photo released Tuesday, Feb. 7, 2012 by the Cole County sheriff’s office shows Alyssa Bustamante. Bustamante, 18, who confessed to murdering a young neighbor girl, was described as a thrill killer by prosecutors and a mentally disturbed child by her defense attorneys as a judge heard arguments Tuesday on whether she should be sentenced to life in prison or something less. (AP Photo/Cole County Sheriff’s Office)Enlarge Photo

Alyssa Bustamante, 18, murderess (young neighbor Elizabeth Olten was killed bu Alyssa in February 2012)

 

This photo released Tuesday, Feb. 7, 2012 by the Cole County sheriff’s office shows …

JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. (AP) — A Missouri teenager who had described the slaying of a young neighbor girl as an “ahmazing” thrill made an emotional apology Wednesday to the girl’s family and was sentenced to a potential lifetime in prison.

Moments before her sentence was imposed, 18-year-old Alyssa Bustamante rose from her chair — with shackles linking her ankles and holding her hands to her waist — and turned to face the family of 9-year-old Elizabeth Olten, whom she confessed to killing in October 2009.

“I really am extremely, very sorry for everything. I know words,” she said, pausing to take a deep breath and struggling to compose herself, “can never be enough, and they can never adequately describe how horribly I feel for all of this.”

She later added: “If I could give my life to get her back I would. I’m sorry.”

Elizabeth’s mother, Patty Preiss, who on the first day of Bustamante’s sentencing hearing called her an “evil monster” and declared “I hate her,” sat silently, staring forward as Bustamante’s finished her apology.

Cole County Circuit Judge Pat Joyce then sentenced Bustamante to the maximum possible sentence for second-degree murder — life in prison with the possibility of parole. She ordered the teenager to serve a consecutive 30-year term for armed criminal action, a charge resulting from her use of a knife to slit the throat and stab Elizabeth after she had strangled her into unconsciousness.

Elizabeth’s family declined to comment about the sentencing, as did Bustamante’s family.

There were no immediate indications that Bustamante planned to appeal the sentence.

Bustamante originally had been charged with first-degree murder but pleaded guilty last month to the lesser charges to avoid a trial and the possibility of spending her life in an adult prison with no chance of release.

Bustamante was 15 years old at the time of Elizabeth’s murder in the small town of St. Martins, just west of Jefferson City. Evidence presented during her hearing revealed that Bustamante had dug a shallow grave in the woods several days in advance, then used her younger sister to lure Elizabeth out of her home with an invitation to play. Bustamante, who had hidden a knife in a backpack, said she had a surprise for Elizabeth in the forest. The surprise turned out to be her demise.

During her two-day sentencing hearing, prosecutors referred repeatedly to an entry Bustamante wrote in her journal on Oct. 21, 2009 — the night of Elizabeth’s death — in which she admitted to having just killed someone.

“I strangled them and slit their throat and stabbed them now they’re dead,” Bustamante wrote in her diary, which was read in court by a handwriting expert. “I don’t know how to feel atm. It was ahmazing. As soon as you get over the ‘ohmygawd I can’t do this’ feeling, it’s pretty enjoyable. I’m kinda nervous and shaky though right now. Kay, I gotta go to church now…lol.”

Bustamante then left for a youth dance at a Mormon church her family attended while hundreds of volunteers began a two-day hunt for the dead girl. Although she initially lied to authorities about Elizabeth’s whereabouts, Bustamante eventually confessed to police and led them to Elizabeth’s leaf-covered shallow grave.

Defenses attorneys had argued for leniency after presenting evidence from family members and mental health experts about Bustamante’s troubled childhood. Bustamante was born to teenage, drug-abusing parents; her father was imprisoned and her mother abandoned her, leaving her in the legal custody of her grandmother.

After a suicide attempt on Labor Day 2007 as she was starting eighth grade, Bustamante was prescribed the antidepressant Prozac. Her dosage had been increased just two weeks before Elizabeth’s death. A defense psychiatrist testified that the medication could have made Bustamante moodier and more violent and contributed to the murder — a theory rejected by a different psychiatrist testifying for prosecutors.

Charlie Moreland, one of Bustamante’s attorneys, described the sentence imposed Wednesday as “a harsh punishment.”

“This was a child who had been spiraling out of control, but has treatable conditions,” Moreland said.

Under Missouri guidelines, Bustamante would have to serve 35 years and 5 months in prison before she is eligible for parole, said Department of Corrections spokesman Chris Cline. It’s also possible that the more than two years Bustamante spent in jail while awaiting her sentencing could be counted toward that time.

After spending several weeks at a diagnostic prison, Bustamante could be placed in either one of Missouri’s two female prisons or sent out of state. Cline said department officials also would evaluate whether Bustamante should be kept separate from other adult woman inmates.

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Save those 40-60 years worth of taxpayer funds and offer the ‘A Life fer a Life’ Xian option. If none of the family take up the ‘killback’ then shoot, harvest and dispose (harvested parts returnable for final rites when receipients die – spiritual requirements). So many tax funds do not justify unless the work done in prison can offset the expense. Sounds like something spiritual here though . . . Bustamante looks abit like that Ruth Marx character from ‘The Net’ . . . Once again, where possible, all criminals should in the interest of saving tax monies spent on prison contractors, be sent to any country which will have them as regular citizens.

Actress Moutier Rafaèle who plays IT-terrorist/evil hacker-ess in 'The Net' (Irwin Winkler 1995)

 

Various Stances By 4 Malaysian Politicians – reposted by @AgreeToDisagree – 10th february 2012

In 1% tricks and traps, Abuse of Power, advice, by-election, conflict of interest, Justice, Law, Malaysia on February 10, 2012 at 10:13 am

ARTICLE 1

Zulkifli won’t appeal, will stay as MP – by Clara Chooi – 6th March 2010

KUALA LUMPUR, March 6 – Sacked PKR MP Zulkifli Noordin has decided not to appeal his termination from the party and will remain as an Independent MP for Kulim–Bandar Bharu.

The controversial politician has chosen to remain calm in the face of his sacking, and just minutes after hearing about it, he laughed over the phone with The Malaysian Insider.

“There is no use crying over it,” he said.

He added that the party had made him a “forced Independent” when it decided to sack him as a PKR member.

“I will remain as an Independent for now but I will keep my options open. But joining Umno is a big no-no,” he told The Malaysian Insider when asked if he planned to join another party.

Zulkifli was sacked from PKR this evening when the party’s supreme council decided to endorse the recommendations made by the disciplinary board on the MP’s case.

Zulkifli was called to face the board when he infringed a party gag order and lodged a police report against Shah Alam PAS MP Khalid Samad over the “Allah” issue.

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Whether he remains as independent or not is for the voters to decide. They might have voted for the party and not the candidate. Don’t tell me there is no mechanism for by elections to determine the voter’s response? Heres a NEW voting checkbox list for the Election Commission to consider implementing to prevent this betrayal of voters who voted for the party and not the candidate :

Party YES/NO
Candidate YES/NO

The party might win but the candidate is hated (So called independents now formalized as Konsensus Bebas).
Or the candidate might win but the party is hated (Tengku Razaleigh for example from UMNO party).

Therefore in the case where the Candidate does not have 51% of the vote and leaves the party, an immediate By-Election is called. Or in the case where the Party does not have 51% of the vote and expels the candidate, a By-Election will not be needed. Are our Election Commission officials thinking about things like this? Or just sitting pretty and doing nothing except maintaining status quo, serving interests of a specific political party instead of the Rakyat, and thereby betraying the Rakyat by wasting tax monies instead of thinking on how to improve the system??? Are they making the system worse in fact whenever new laws are passed. Are these laws legal by UN standards?

ARTICLE 2

Chinese will take over in the next election, warns Perkasa – by Asrul Hadi Abdullah Sani

KUALA LUMPUR, March 8 — Malay nationalist group Perkasa warns that the Chinese community will use the next general election to take over the country.

Perkasa feels that the last general election weakened the Malays and empowered the Chinese community.

Dr Zubir Harun, director of Perkasa’ economic bureau, who was at the Malay Consultative Council’s (MPM) round-table discussion, said during his presentation that a divided Malay community will empower the other races.

According to delegates at the discussion and documents received by The Malaysian Insider, Perkasa wants the New Economic Policy (NEP) to be the “spirit” of the New Economic Model (NEM).

“Perkasa believes that disunity among the Malays has weakened Umno, causing the non-Malays to be more vocal in their demands. They say that the Chinese are also blackmailing the government to give in to their demands by threatening to vote for Pakatan Rakyat,” said one of the delegates.

Zubir also said that Perkasa is worried that the New Economic Model will have a Chinese agenda.

“The Chinese people feel that the next general election is the best opportunity for them to gain power in this country.

“This is why Chinese NGOs, such as Ziong Dong and Associated Chinese Chambers of Commerce, are using this chance to make demands of the government. If their demands are not met, then they will vote Pakatan Rakyat who are willing to give everything to the Chinese,” he elaborated in his presentation.

Zubir added that the Malays have “sacrificed” for the country by allowing “the immigrants” to live in Malaysia.

“It must be reminded that the Malay people have sacrificed tremendously since independence with a quid pro quo policy…  the Malay race have compromised by allowing foreigners into the country. The Malays endured hundreds of years of colonization and the result is the migration of foreigners into the country. We were forced to accept this policy,” he said.

Zubir also slammed non-Malays and liberal Malays for wanting to rewrite the country’s Constitution and social contract.

Perkasa believes that the NEP is still relevant because it will help the Malay community to counter a market which is dominated by the Chinese.

The Malaysian Insider reported today that the government has decided to incorporate the proposed New Economic Model (NEM) into the 10th Malaysia Plan (10MP) in June, as fine-tuning and tweaks will go beyond its initial end-March launch.

It was learnt the delay came after feedback from various quarters prompted the government to rework its ideas and proposals that will turn Malaysia into a high-income nation based on innovation and creativity.

Among those with reservations about the NEM are the MPM which yesterday demanded it be based on the 1970s-era New Economic Policy (NEP) and should comply with Article 153 of the Federal Constitution that protect Malay and Bumiputera’s special position.
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Take care with your words – don’t tempt the 2 rising superpowers into retaliating by fulfilling your words. The minorities are just asking for :

1) Freedom from Apartheid/Fascism
2) Freedom from Religious-Persecution/Religious-Supremacy.
3) Equality for all ethnicities and faiths in all aspects of policy, Law and Constitution.

Would you like to be treated as the minorities are treated now? The international community is behind the moderate Ummah and the right minded Malaysian in these issues.  Right now the Orang Asli know they could be treated better, elevated to the Prime Minister’s post as soon as GE14 or at least guaranteed the DPM’s post, by siding with the minorities. What has UMNO ever given them? Land titles to lands that originally belonged to them? Without Sarawak and Sabah, or international respect, UMNO’s racist faction will be finished, does MPM know how damned the side they are standing on is? The members of these 76 Malay Organisations will be identifiable and crushed wherever they go from now on. Is it worth it?

Only by embracing EQUALITY will the Malay race will be at par with humanity, and there are REAL heroes among the Malay race who would stand for ALL Humans this day. Special privileges are a myth and an abomination in the equilibrium of Human Development in a global context, the Prophet would have recognized that if he were here this day, the Human Rights Charter recognizes that and will continue to. What is MCM but a fool demented by selfish greed . . .

ARTICLE 3

An economist’s wet dream – by Jema Khan – 8th MARCH 2010

Having studied economics at university, I am eagerly awaiting Malaysia’s New Economic Model (NEM).

I believe there are many things that can be done to improve our country’s economy.

That is not to say that it will be done as politics has always been a major consideration in any country.

It is easy to say, for example, that we will put a poll tax to help the government’s coffers as Margaret Thatcher did in the late 1980’s.

From a purely financial viewpoint it would help the coffers but the British public were not supportive and this actually caused Thatcher’s downfall as Prime Minister after the poll tax riots in 1990.

I believe that to be effective, any economic prescriptive must have incentives and disincentives properly aligned and that the policy should be communicated clearly to the people.

The problem should also be clearly defined. I will try to illustrate by trying to tackle a real life issue in Malaysia: Kuala Lumpur’s traffic congestion.

In the case of Kuala Lumpur’s traffic congestion, I suggest a policy of cross subsidies where we charge cars coming into the city say, RM10 per day and motorcycles RM5 per day to be collected by a wholly owned Government entity, which I believe in this case should be Prasarana.

This will allay any fears of cronyism and its like. At the same time Prasarana should provide public transport such as buses, monorail and light rail for free as their revenue is collected from the congestion charge.

Prasarana’s buses should also be given dedicated bus lanes — for its buses, its tow trucks and public emergency vehicles only — on every 3 lane road.

The bus stops should be about 500 meters apart. The buses should come every few minutes and there should be at least half a dozen bus interchange stations within the city as well as integration of all its public transport facilities.

This will probably require about 5000 buses for KL and its surrounding areas. At the same time we should probably have more one way systems and reduce the number of traffic lights in the city by about a third to reduce bottlenecks.

Furthermore all the public transport should have lots of cameras for security reasons. Passengers should also have to provide their ID before they board any of these facilities so that if they misbehave we will know who to look for.

At the same time we can also find any wanted felons more easily.

Prasarana’s public transport should be upgraded over time to reflect that we are in the 21st century with things such as electric buses and green technology.

The incentive in this case is free, comfortable and efficient public transport. The disincentive is the congestion charge on cars and motorbikes.

The goal is to relieve traffic congestion. The challenge is to communicate effectively to the public that this will save a lot of time for all and make our city globally competitive and efficient.

I estimate that Prasarana can easily collect about RM2 billion a year and this should be more than adequate to provide KL with a free first class 21st century public transport system.

Furthermore if overall everyone saves just an hour a week in commute time, it will add up to 50 hours per year.

If we have two million people going in and out of KL, that adds up to 100 million man hours per annum saved on commuting, which by itself is worth a few billion RM per year.

The challenges to the above will be that there are more than half a dozen ministries involved in public transport and to coordinate them is difficult.

What of the private bus companies that will go out of business because they can’t compete with free transport?

What about the additional burden to people who have to pay the congestion charge?

What if we can’t collect enough money from the congestion charge to offset the cost of free public transport?

Can Prasarana provide an efficient and comfortable service for the public? There are a myriad of questions that can be asked.

The main thing to do is move forward and solve the problem. We can tweak the system as we go along but we must work on the basis of aligning incentives and disincentives and communicating clearly to the public.

Overall, I expect the coming New Economic Model to provide further liberalization of the economy which I support.

My only question is what is the point of liberalizing the economy if we can’t liberalize the mindset of our people?


written by JC, March 08, 2010
and it will always remain a dream, a very wet dream…
The reason is pretty simple, 60% of total cars sold each year in the country are from the 2 local car manufacturers. Let’s be frank, if we had a transport system like HK or Australia, would we buy one of those overpriced junks? They are a huge source of income for a lot of people in power. There are thousands of suppliers to the 2 companies and let’s just say you don’t get to supply to them based on merit. Same goes for petrol station licenses. There are many people who sit there doing nothing but churning out racist propaganda while getting filthy rich at the people’s expense. Any atttempts to disrupt their income stream will always be met with the strongest resistance.

* +5


written by Paul Ong, March 08, 2010
Singapore has imposed levy for vehicles coming to the central business area to alleviate congestion, they even have special road tax for cars that can only be used at night and week ends, but before they impose all this restrictions they already have first class transportation system.

Our public transport system in Kuala Lumpur is only comparable to the Lion City of the seventies, I am not trying to insult the planners in K.L. but this is the reality.

Can our Gomen do it like Singapore or like the author of this article suggest? Wake up man! They have to pour billions of ringgit to upgrade the public transport first, the problem here is fully 60% of the billions spent will disappear into “thin air”! If any organizations are given the permission to collect money for the private vehicles coming into K.L. We can only fore see one thing, that is huge amount of this money collected will do the disappearing act as well.


written by ManCung, March 08, 2010

There’s very little merit in this suggestion but I agree the author has the right to voice his opinion.
It is a very simplistic idea that fails to take into account the social, cultural, infrastructural & economic circumstances in the country/KL. Finally, any gov that tries this will become hugely unpopular and will lose at the next election. You want to improve public transport in KL – stop the policiticans/cronies from getting involved & making huge money out of it and create a level playing field for the private sector to invest & compete to provide the best service to the public.

“a policy of cross subsidies where we charge cars coming into the city say, RM10 per day and motorcycles RM5 per day” – the public already has to pay toll, parking, road tax, insurance, car maintenance etc; while incomes are barely keeping pace with inflation, and now u want to screw them further.

“What of the private bus companies that will go out of business because they can’t compete with free transport?” – If they’re non-bumi, can just screw them. If they’re bumi, the gov will subsidize.

What about the additional burden to people who have to pay the congestion charge? – if they’re bumi, they can join umno and make lots of money to help pay for the congestion charge. If they’re non-bumi, can just screw them.

What if we can’t collect enough money from the congestion charge to offset the cost of free public transport? – Taxpayers (majority non-bumi) already been screwed for so long, what’s a bit more screwing to use tax money.

I propose that to set a good example, all umno members & gov officials & BN politicians & VIPs should solely use biycles. Its healthy exercise, will reduce expenditure, its environmentally friendly & most importantly may instill some humility & understanding.

written by @AgreeToDisagree
A new decentralised paradigm of city planning (with lots of green lung) is needed. That way all the traffic and pollution will not be focused in a single high density zone. Meanwhile Malaysians will still need :

1) Freedom from Apartheid/Fascism
2) Freedom from Religious-Persecution/Religious-Supremacy.
3) Equality for all ethnicities and faiths in all aspects of policy, Law and Constitution.

And with the 13 point plan in place, Singapore will be re-assimilated as well.

ARTICLE 4

DPM: new economic model is for everyone [Muhyiddin says the NEM is for everyone] by Asrul Hadi Abdulah Sani

SUNGAI BULOH, March 8 — Tan Sri Muhyiddin Yassin today assured Malaysians that the proposed New Economic Model (NEM) is for all, regardless of race, background and religion.

The deputy prime minister stressed that the government will not only consider the interest of the Malays but other communities as well.

The Malaysian Insider reported today that the government has decided to incorporate the proposed NEM into the 10th Malaysia Plan (10MP) in June, as fine-tuning and tweaks will go beyond its initial end of March launch.

It was learnt the delay came after feedback from various quarters prompted the government to rework its ideas and proposals that will turn Malaysia into a high-income nation based on innovation and creativity.

Among those with reservations about the NEM are the Malay Consultative Council (MPM) which yesterday demanded it be based on the 1970s-era New Economic Policy (NEP), and should comply with Article 153 of the Federal Constitution that protect Malay and the special position of Bumiputeras.

Muhyiddin said Malaysians, including the MPM, will be provided with the opportunity to contribute the NEM.

“I want to assure every Malaysians, not just Malays but every Malaysians who have a vested interest in the New Economic Model that the prime minister is very well aware. Every Malaysians but not just Malay Consultative Council wants to have a say and I think they will be given an opportunity to look into what has been proposed by the National Economic Advisory Council,” he told reporters after launching 1 Community 1 Corporation programme at Kg Paya Jaras Hilir here.

The National Economic Advisory Council (NEAC) chaired by Tan Sri Amirsham Abdul Aziz is formulating the NEM and has briefed the Cabinet twice on its progress.

“Every Malaysian will have the opportunity to look into what the council proposed and what sort of input that they want to give to the prime minister and the government. So actually as a regard to the Malay interest or the Chinese interest, all are being taken care of but obviously we have to go into details on how those plan could be developed,” he added.

Muhyiddin also said that the NEM will be within the “spirit of the constitution.”

“At the same time, whatever decision that the government has to make will be constitutional and within the spirit of the constitution. We understand that very well so I don’t think any race need to be worry about.

“So there will be enough time for them to given the opportunity to have a look at what the proposed new economic model is all about. They can have a discussion among themselves to give input to the government,” he said.

The deputy prime minister also took great pains to say everyone will be consulted.

“I must assure you that all will be consulted. You have the various types of NGOs, not just the Malay Consultative Council. The Chinese and Indians have their own types of NGOs, all the social and economic NGOS have their own ideas but we will take note of them. We will assure that they will be given a fair chance but of course the final decision will rest on the government,” he explained.

The government had previously indicated the NEM could have been launched either late 2009 or early 2010. It was understood that Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Razak was due to launch the NEM at the annual Invest Malaysia conference to be held after Bank Negara Malaysia unveils its annual report  and economic indicators.

Muhyiddin refused to neither confirm nor deny if the launch of NEM has been delayed till June.

“Well, I think the prime minister will give sufficient time for various groups to submit their views on this. So do I hope the announcement will come from the prime minister himself,” he said.

The NEAC briefed the Cabinet for the second time on March 1, days after engaging with several quarters on various issues related to the NEM.

Sources said the Cabinet had “concerns of political implications” for some measures but Second Finance Minister Datuk Seri Ahmad Husni Hanadzlah has said the political risks would not stop the NEM which stressed on removing costly subsidies and improving competitiveness.

It is understood that eliminating policies that still adhere to the spirit of the NEP — even though the NEP no longer exists and was replaced by the National Development Policy in 1990 — has been received with “trepidation by the Cabinet.”

Fully aware that this radical shift away from the patronage system so many Bumiputra businessmen are familiar with, the policy makers took pains to pave the way for the NEM’s success by engaging with various pressure groups.

Datuk Mukhriz Mahathir yesterday maintained that the NEM would not neglect the Malay community and would have the spirit of the NEP.

MPM has also been campaigning that NEM should not sideline the Malays and remain in line with Article 153 which has 10 parts, with the first part making it incumbent for the Yang di-Pertuan Agong to safeguard the special position of the Malays and natives of Sabah and Sarawak.

Perkasa, a member of MPM, is worried that the NEM will increase the monopoly of the country’s economy by the Chinese community.

Its director of economic bureau, Dr Zubir Harun, has said that Perkasa is worried that the NEM will have a Chinese agenda and warned that the Chinese community will use the next general election to take over the country.

” MPM has also been campaigning that NEM should not sideline the Malays and remain in line with Article 153 which has 10 parts, with the first part making it incumbent for the Yang di-Pertuan Agong to safeguard the special position of the Malays and natives of Sabah and Sarawak. ”

[[[ *** RESPONSE *** ]]]

The first part of 153 is unconstitutional in the sense that it drags the Princes and Agong into a minefield of inapplicable and indefensible articles which directly contravene Article 1 of the Human Rights Charter as well as tramples on the spirit of certain Hadiths of Islam prohibiting racism – i.e. Sin of Asabiya etc..

Amendments should be carried out to Article 153 immediately if the Malaysian Royal Collective (those assenting – heaven forbid, or those dissenting – Humanists in touch with the Human NEED to be treated with equality and dislike of disenfranchisement) is not to become an exemplar of what accomplices are. Via machinations of inconsiderate politicians like Muddy above, through badly written constitutions that are seriously outdated and that hamper the aspirations of all minority citizens, which is just to be treated as EQUALS, Muddy is muddying what should be a shining beacon of NEUTRALITY in Malaysia’s time of need.

Time for all supposed administrators of a supposedly modern country to grow into defensible positions as of now . . .

3 Articles on Violence Based Teaching/Religious Paradigms in the 3rd World – reposted by @AgreeToDisagree – 8th February 2012

In Justice, Law, Malaysia on February 7, 2012 at 4:38 pm

ARTICLE 1

Let’s talk about canes – Colin Boyd Shafer (Malaysian Inside) – 2010-03-02 08:25:44

MARCH 2 — Before coming here (to Malaysia), I never thought much about canes but when I did, it was usually in a positive light.

Walking canes help the disabled, elderly, and hikers live more active and comfortable lives.

When my grandmother broke her hip, she needed a cane. The cane was an important instrument for her to support herself on.

As a camp counselor, I loved making walking canes with my campers.

The children loved feeling mature and sophisticated walking with a cane, looking like Confucius on the mountain.

Speaking of that, if you ever try to climb Malaysia’s great Mt. Kinabalu make sure you bring a cane, and lots of energy! In short, a cane can help individuals.

Many of my travels as a child took me through parts of the world where sugar cane is produced.

Sugar cane is indigenous to Southeast Asia, but today one third of all sugar cane production comes from Brazil.

Sugar cane can be refined into table sugar; cane juice with lemon and ice makes a delicious drink called caldo de cana; cane can also be used to make ethanol (biodiesel for Brazilian cars), distilled cane becomes Cachaca the popular Brazilian alcohol, and some people just chew sugar cane raw.

In other words, the cane can be very useful to society.

Growing up in Canada it was common to receive heaps of candy canes in December. I could always count on my teacher to give me a cane during the holidays. Candy canes are delicious and sweet. In this case, the cane brings joy to many people’s lives.

But the word “cane” carries a different significance now for the average Malaysian.

Last April in Seremban, Chan Qi Xian died after being caned by his teacher. He was a little boy who made mistakes. Tragically, he’ll never have the opportunity to make the same mistakes again. He needed to learn from his — not die from them.

Recently, this physical reprimand has been applied by syariah law.

In 2007, Kartika Sari Dewi Shukarno was caught drinking in a hotel bar. She was sentenced to caning but the punishment is on hold.

To the international observer, it may seem like a Malaysian Muslim drinking in a bar is a rare sighting. I asked Malaysians if they knew Muslims who drank regularly in bars. They all said yes. Does this surprise you?  Why was Kartika singled out?

Last month, Syariah caning took place in Malaysia for the first time. Three women were quietly caned before the media could respond, for sex before marriage.

Are these the only three Muslim women (or men) who have done this? Is this really a crime worth international attention?

Syariah caning is done with a “limp wrist”, meant to shame — not to hurt, but is it the severity of the physical pain that should be focused on?

Whether it is a light tap or a hard rap, whether it leaves bruises, or the receiving party actually wanted it, caning is not an appropriate action to take against drinking, pre-marital sex, and misbehaving children.

Are they just making an example of these individuals? If every Muslim is caned for drinking beer or having illicit sex in Malaysia, the country will be a very different place: a scary place for many Muslims I know — especially those who are Muslim by name (Malay) but not by conscience.

If this is a fair law then it should be applied all the time, not just symbolically. Can you imagine how many people would need to be punished?

Why do I joke about such a serious matter?  Maybe because the actual offenses are not so serious? If they are applying a serious punishment to an unserious crime, one can’t help but laugh at the ridiculousness of the situation.

Just because someone makes a mistake, just because someone is in the wrong — it does not make that person a criminal. Or at least not someone who deserves such an odd punishment.

A child has died, and women have been hurt (limp wrist or not), if only publicly embarrassed over a private matter.

Many different peoples with many different points of view will be reading this, but can’t we all agree that the punishment should fit the crime?

I have obviously been very fortunate in regards to the “canes” I have encountered. I am a non-Muslim, non-Malaysian, non-woman, and non-child, yet I feel compelled to comment on this issue.

I am not an expert on corporal punishment caning or syariah law caning, I simply want to comment on this “punishment”, not the “belief behind it.”

If a punishment is just, then it should be transparent and able to withstand scrutiny. I don’t think silencing/censoring/ignoring different views helps anyone (ie. the recent reprimand of The Star for having a non-Muslim comment on this issue).

Some types of “canes” can be beneficial to society. It’s just that I don’t believe that this particular type of cane, used in these particular instances, benefits society.

Why use the cane to hurt non-criminal women and children?  Every single person reading this, myself included, has made mistakes.  We can learn without being caned. Sometimes it seems like Malaysian society is limping along with a cane. Let’s cast it aside and walk proudly and ethically through the 21st century.

 

 

[[[ *** RESPONSE *** ]]]

Chan Qi Xian had the spirit literally struck from his body. The intent of the whipper was so vicious that the delicate ungrown spirit guiding the health of the boy thought it was time to depart and never returned. Bereft of the his spirit, Chan Qi Xian’s health deteriorated and he died.

Man has multiple intelligences guiding aspects of his existence. Man’s *HEALTH* (when physically struck / even casually touched with ill intent (some Bomohs, and hence the aurat and no touching culture) / gazed at with envy or desire (hence the Niqab or Burkha) / impacted from unnatural Auric interaction with Power lines, Broadband Emitters, Telecommunications towers (Cancer causing) / separated from loved ones, seperated from home (NS deaths) / incarcerated in prison (Kugan) / or even fed with foods laced with ill intent from corrupted Souls – take care of who does the cooking) / or even lowered population growth from the Libido being suppressed by overpowering family Dynasties where none should exist in supposedly Democratic nations, *MIND* (when poisoned/murdered by CERTAIN BRANDS of Socialisation/Psychology/NLP), emotions (when poisoned/murdered by VICIOUS persons causes Scientology’s ‘Suppressive Persons’), *SPIRIT* (when poisoned/murdered by contact with EVIL persons/places, causes corruption, nepotism), social capacity (when poisoned/murdered by vaccinations causes the Autism), or even suppression of legalised outlets for the appeasal/awakening/nourishment of lower spirits within man guiding libido (Red Light Districts) or primitive-Godlike portions of mind (Alcohol/Coca/Cannabis/Opium Outlets), venues for LBGT community/Nudism, that should be holistically viewed etc..

There are both strong and weak among Humanity, awareness of who are weak is the most important quality of police and enforcement, and the strong and healthy are unaffected by such EVILs to some degree though when directed en masse can still affect them. Among the weak however upon the most casual intent or even to most of us a ‘mere caning’ would succumb.

Those who are weak avoid such harms via renunciations, heavy and open espousals of religions, via Niqab and Burkha (which are banned by some countries), via shaven heads and robes, via additional ‘spirit housing/binding’ in form of Kirpans/Turban/Religious Amulet/Idol/Athame(which are banned at various levels in agnostic-devilish, countries) etc..

Now those who ARE aware and in positions to write laws had better discharge their duties to Mankind no matter how ostracised they could end up from speaking up on such issues. There is a spiritual dimension to man that is little collaborated or explored upon except by :

” religions and secret societies though often for self profit and personal power, where monks own luxury car collections, or members who are often well positioned to determine the course of society indulge in exotic tantric practices to gain power over his fellow parliamentarian or fellow citizens . . . ”

And these are not suitable individuals to guide the masses of which many leaders arise from, and fall to, by. Are you Metaphysically aware? If you are able to, and prepared to fight the enemies of man, for a ‘United Nations Human Spiritual Rights Charter’, now is as good a time as any to begin steps towards the emancipation of man from the /enslavement that began with the embrace of industralisation and modernisation.

Such levels of Human Psyche cannot be treated as non-existent for the masses while a selfish clique empowers itself via sequestering and forbidding of knowledge while practicing the same which rightfully belongs to all Mankind and neglect of the spiritual element in penning of any laws. Anything and everything goes, and enforcement/government is not here to oppress/forbid but to ensure no one gets hurt in the process of expression of FREEDOM.

 

 

ARTICLE 2

Death after caning mystery By SARBAN SINGH By FARIK ZOLKEPLI – Thursday April 2, 2009

GEMAS: Mystery surrounds the death of a nine-year-old pupil of SJK (C) Kampung Baru Tiong near here who died several hours after being caned on the back of his hands by a teacher.

Chan Qi Xian had complained of a severe headache after he was caned around noon on Tuesday for not doing his homework.

State Education Department director Datuk Abdullah Mohammad confirmed the case but was quick to add that the caning could not have possibly caused the boy’s death.

“I was told that the teacher caned the boy for failing to do his homework. That is a normal thing to do.

“His death is a mystery and we hope the post-mortem will be able to shed light on the actual cause of death,” he added.

Abdullah said the school authorities rushed the pupil to the Segamat Hospital when he complained of dizziness. They also contacted his parents.

When the boy’s condition deteriorated, doctors rushed Chan to the Sultanah Aminah Hospital in Johor Baru.

However, it is learnt that the hospital authorities there told Qi Xian’s parents that his condition was critical and that he would not survive.

His parents then brought him home where he died at 3.30am yesterday.

Abdullah said that based on the headmaster’s report, Qi Xian did not suffer from any illnesses. “But we do not know if he had a medical condition,” he said.

Abdullah, who was away attending a meeting, said he would visit the school to talk to the teacher as well as other staff members about the incident.

Headmaster Lim Yan Ho refused to disclose details, adding that he had submitted a report to the state education department.

State police chief SAC I Datuk Osman Salleh said the boy could not have died due to the caning.

“It makes little sense to say that the death was due to the caning. We are doing our own investigations to see if the boy suffered from some medical condition,” he said.

He also advised parents to notify the school authorities if their children had medical problems. ”This will allow the school to have every pupil’s medical record.

“This way, we will be able to prevent untoward incidents, especially when disciplining them,” he said.

Qi Xian’s remains were brought to the Tuanku Ja’afar Hospital here yesterday morning for a post-mortem. It is learnt that the autopsy would only be carried out today.

In Johor Baru, state health department director Dr Mohd Khairi Yakub said they would investigate the allegation that the Sultanah Aminah Hospital had turned away Qi Xian.

 

 

[[[ *** RESPONSE *** ]]]

Think NHS . . . also the parents have not been adequately compensated and need to bring the issue up to  higher authority :

http://www.un.org/cyberschoolbus/humanrights/resources/plainchild.asp

United Nations Department of Public Information

Information Centres Service
Strategic Communications Division
Department of Public Information
United Nations
New York NY 10017

inquiries2@un.org

 

 

ARTICLE 3

To cane or not to cane? — Azril Mohd Amin

MARCH 3 — It may surprise some who read these words that the title of this piece is also the name of a seminar and workshop at an upcoming (July, 2010) professional conference sponsored by the Department of Psychiatry at Kuala Lumpur’s General Hospital.

Reading some non-Muslim vituperation over the caning issue, you might not guess that the issue is receiving the highest professional attention and scrutiny. Indeed, this factor in Islamic law of sentencing is insulted and thoroughly misunderstood by non-Muslims even here in Malaysia, particularly in a recent column written by one of the editors of The Star newspaper.

Let us remind this editor and other Islamophobes that the issue of humiliation versus incarceration is of the utmost importance to resolve in the modern world. In the 1980’s, San Diego, California, was already releasing all prisoners held in its city jail, simply in order to make room for the waiting list of new prisoners.

US state governments were already sub-contracting prison services out to private prisons, in which inmates were treated with notably more humanity and intelligence, not only in food and healthcare, but also in rehabilitation programs.

The western so-called “liberal” system of punishing criminals by locking them up in tiny, dirty cells together with many other more hardened criminals has been breaking down for some time now. The recidivism rate (the rate at which ex-convicts return to their lives in crime, and then show up back in their jails once again) has reached almost 90 per cent in some cases, proof positive that incarceration does NOT deter crime.

The Prophet Muhammad (saw) received in the Al-Qur’an a system of crime deterrence based on personal and social humiliation of the criminals. One of the principal sentencing is caning. What we Muslims must do post-haste is collect statistics to verify whether or not our divinely-revealed system, administered correctly and without medical damage, actually does deter criminals from further aberrant behaviour. The effectiveness of medical punishments as social deterrents for more serious crimes must also be investigated.

What we must NOT do is postpone such punishment for weeks and months, while the convicted criminal waits and waits for his/her sentencing to be carried out, enabling them to return to normal daily life. Such delays constitute a de facto surrender to the non-Islamic system of incarceration, since such criminals are not free until their punishment has been carried out.

Even the sister sentenced to caning in Pahang for drinking alcohol in public fully accepted her punishment and only begged that it be carried out in a timely manner. And yet, weak-willed Muslims seem to have caved in to the hysterical protest of outsiders by delaying her punishment until today.

The issue of Malaysia’s Federal Constitution will need ultimately to be addressed. It must suffice at present to point out that the Syariah Courts cannot be expected to cave in to the secular legal system in Malaysia’s context.

America’s experience in outlawing alcohol during the 1930’s only succeeded in stimulating one of the most lawless and violent periods in recent American history. Saudi Arabia’s outlawing of homosexuality, along with Malaysia’s, is so obviously unenforceable as to breed almost total disrespect for the law. Even the death penalty does not seem to be stopping or even slowing down the drug merchants.

Balancing secular and Syariah Law in Malaysia is indeed a difficult and important undertaking, due to the racial make-up of the country. However, constitutions can be amended, and should be, when the laws they promulgate run contrary to the overwhelming wishes of the citizenry “on the ground”. If Muslims find that personal humiliation is a more effective crime deterrent than incarceration, they must be given that option under the Federal Constitution as well.

* Azril Mohd Amin is vice president, Muslim Lawyers Association of Malaysia. This is his personal opinion.

Let the individual Muslim decide if he wishes to be tried by Syariah or Civil court. And also take not of what is not punishable if it is a Personal Sin. If these items are not included in Malaysian governance, Singaporean Malays who make up a critical 15% vote there will have less incentive to help re-assimilate Singapore. The 13 point plan of course is also critical if we wish to effect plebiscite among Singaporean Indian and Chinese populations in Singapore to vote for re-assimilation.

On Malaysia’s side the below needs to be in place as well :

1) Freedom from Apartheid/Fascism
2) Freedom from Religious-Persecution/Religious-Supremacy.
3) Equality for all ethnicities and faiths in all aspects of policy, Law and Constitution.

Then Malaysia would be truly First World and also gain a 14th State by it’s human rights orieted efforts as described above.

Article on Better Judgements – reposted by @AgreeToDisagree – 4th February 2012

In Justice, Law, women on February 3, 2012 at 4:52 pm

Alasdair Thompson, New Zealand CEO, Fired After Linking Women’s Workplace Productivity To Menstruation, Childbirth, Ladies Room – First Posted: 07/ 6/11 11:12 AM ET Updated: 07/ 6/11 11:12 AM ET

The head of a major New Zealand employers’ group has been fired after implying that women were paid less than men because they took more sick leave due to menstruation.

As the BBC is reporting, Alasdair Thompson of the Employers’ and Manufacturers’ Association (EMA) made the controversial comments on June 23 radio program. “Who takes the most sick leave? Women do, in general,” he said during a debate on recent figures that showed New Zealand women were paid about 12 percent less than men. “Why? Because once a month they have sick problems. Not all of them, but some do. They have children that they have to take time off to go home and take leave of. Therefore it’s their productivity. It’s not their fault.”

Thompson then went on to note, “I’m sorry, I don’t like saying these things because it sounds like I’m sexist, but it’s the facts of life.”

Though Thompson reportedly apologized for the comments, that wasn’t enough for EMA, which was quickly bombarded with calls to ax the CEO. “After having considered this matter for some time the board believes Mr Thompson is no longer able to continue as CEO of the organization,” EMA official Graham Mountfort said in a statement, according to the National Business Review. “We regret that Alasdair’s role with the EMA is ending in this manner, especially considering the contribution he has made over the past 12 years. However under the circumstances the board has had to make this difficult decision.”

New Zealand Women’s Affairs Minister Hekia Parata told the BBC on Wednesday that people would be pleased there had been a resolution. “I think that it’s been pretty clear from the response that the remarks made were unacceptable to a wide range of people and my own experience of talking to businesses and across the country is it was a generally felt view that they were unacceptable,” she said.

[[[ *** RESPONSE *** ]]]

Morally correct, ethically wrong. A week’s suspension and formal apology maybe would have been better? Though CEOs are overpaid and deserve no sympathy for their sequestration of wealth, this treatment of Mr.Thompson is extreme and should result in a lawsuit by Alasdair Thompson who should use the analogy of ‘an eye for an eye’ or ‘a tooth for a tooth’.

In this case a private apology for a slight would be appropriately equitable and a public apology would be more than enough. Taking away the man’s job is just wrong and far more than ‘an eye or a tooth’.

Guan Eng: Local elections under EC’s purview Thursday, February 2, 2012 – 22:14 by Llew-Ann Phang

In Election Commission, Justice, Law, Malaysia on February 2, 2012 at 7:13 pm

GEORGE TOWN: It is the Election Commission’s (EC) responsibility to conduct local government elections, says Penang Chief Minister Lim Guan Eng.

He reiterated this in response to a recent statement by the commission’s chairman, Tan Sri Abdul Aziz Mohd Yusof, who had said Penang and Selangor could hold local elections should they want to, but without the EC’s involvement.

“If we do this, we will be going against the law because the Elections Act is still being enforced. This falls under federal law and we must comply and uphold this.

“We must practise what we preach, so we must comply. Let’s not break the law.We don’t want to jeopardise the legality of the councillors or decisions of local councils,” Lim told a press conference at the state administrative complex in Komtar, yesterday.

When told about alternative ways in which councillors could be elected, at non-governmental organisation or Rukun Tetangga levels and then appointed to Penang City Council or Seberang Perai Municipal Council posts, he said: “Let’s not take these things lightly. We want to hold proper elections.”

He said the state had sought constitutional lawyers’ help and advice, and was making an application seeking a declaration for the EC to conduct local elections.

“We do not want the legality of decisions made by councils and councillors questioned. These are some of the realities we have to face.

“If we were the federal government, we could amend the law, but we are governed by the federal law, and so we have engaged lawyers for this purpose.

“(Former prime minister) Tunku Abdul Rahman had said once peace is restored, local government elections (which ceased to be practised in the 1960s) will be restored and it is our hope this will come to pass.”

The Penang government has instructed the state legal adviser to issue a gazette notification exempting local authorities there from Section 15 of the Local Government Act 1976 as a precursor to seeking a court declaration to compel the EC to conduct local elections.

“This is something that will take time but it is in the process of being done,” said Lim.

Citing a previous letter to the EC, he said the commission replied it was impossible to hold local elections in adherence to the same provision, resulting in the Local Government Elections Act to be of no force and effect.

“Clearly, the Local Government Elections Act authorises the EC to conduct elections for local authorities in Malaysia.

“It is, therefore, perplexing that the EC chairman continues to refuse to conduct local government elections in Penang as it is the only legal authority empowered to carry out the elections.

“The state has no choice but to seek a court declaration compelling the EC to obey and abide by the state’s directives.”

 

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Wheres all that attitude when hurling meaningless ill aimed insults that waste the taxpayer’s money in Parliament? If the EC is doing something illegal by UN standards, it is up to people like YB CM Lim Guan Eng to take up the issue and file lawsuits, not accede as if nothing can be done. We are living in a global village now, not a Penangite Tempurung. Are you sure you’re the right man for the job of Chief Minister? Who voted you in as Chief Minister? Oh right, Guan Eng’s dad ‘golden parachuted’ Guan Eng there.

In a one man one vote system (1.5 million Penangites vote at 66.6% minimum quorum, like the USA’s presidential vote) which DAP has no capacity to conceptualise (like the cave man before fire), Lim Guan Eng would very likely not even be on the EXCO in Penang. Try quorums and direct democracy, probably 75% of DAP’s ‘Supremos’ including Guan Eng and dad Kit Siang would be kicked out immediately being based on nepotism and oligarchy (also limitless terms) than anything else.

Complain to the ‘UN Commission for Election Practices’ or what not, don’t tell us it’s entirely up to the EC – the EC is still run entirely by vested interest politicians placed there by the BN coalition. This lack of PR coalition or even non-political party affiliated representation in the EC has not even been mentioned by Guan Eng to the UN in the context of stating the EC’s actions as purely biased and thus getting UN to require the EC to place Opposition and neutral non-party panellists in the EC. The UN can well get NATO to breathe down Libya and Tunisia and now Syria’s necks about election problems, so Malaysia should be no different. More like a crypto-lapdog waiting for 750K funds, why aren’t you doing this yet Guan Eng, new leadership is needed if you go ‘. . . ho hum EC decides everything . . . ‘ and go back to sleep  . . . you call yourself an opposition leader or even minority race leader?

The Perniciousness of ZTP (keeping psychedelics illegal) – Wednesday, February 1, 2012

In drugs, Justice, Law, psychedelics on February 2, 2012 at 6:02 pm

Mmm . . . organic psychedelics . . . —er, I mean: Mmm, chocolates . . .

A pound? Half a pound? A few ounces? Or would you not smoke-use any organic psychedelics at all, once government made this announcement?

Suppose that I promised to give you free organic psychedelics for the next three years: How much organic psychedelics would you smoke-use today?

After all, you’re going to have free organic psychedelics for the next three years—seems silly to gorge on organic psychedelics today, when you can have as much as you’d like tomorrow, or next week, or whenever you want over the next three years.

So free organic psychedelics for the next three years? . . . uh, only not right now, thanks very much: I’m kinda stoned already. But then what if I said to you, “organic psychedelics is free now—but I’m definitely going to raise the price or make it illegal in the near term. In a month, organic psychedelics might be illegal—or then again, it might cost $10,000 an ounce. You would likely rush to stockpile, because tomorrow, you never know!” Well, obviously, to such an uncertain outlook, you’d go out and buy some organic psychedelics now—because tomorrow, it might well be unaffordable.

In fact, it seems quite obvious that if you don’t know when I’m going to raise the price of organic psychedelics, you’ll probably wind up buying—and smoke-useing—more organic psychedelics than if it was free. A paradox? Sure—but true.

In point of fact, if the organic psychedelics is free, you might not smoke-use any organic psychedelics at all. Every time you make the decision as to what to smoke-use, you might well find yourself saying the same mantra: “organic psychedelics is free—I can have it any time I want. So I won’t have any now.”

This is the problem Drug Prohibition and the Legal System currently have — and it’s their own stupid fault: They have promised to maintain idemocracy and freedom of expression when they have in fact announced this zero tolerance policy (ZTP) as the hallmark of their strategy to stop the use of psychedelics — — but then they’re surprised when businesses aren’t borrowing more. They’re surprised when lending is in fact contracting. They’re surprised when the American economy doesn’t stop using borrowing—and thus growing—like crazy.

So the American economy obviously doesn’t benefit from ZTP. In fact, it stagnates because of ZTP.

Leaving aside the deplorable notion that debt-fueled consumption is “growth”, businesses are not going to borrow to expand during the announced period of ZTP, because business owners will say, “I’m really not sure if my market is growing—and since I can get a low-interest loan for at least the next three years, I think I’m going to hold off on any expansion of my business, hold off on hiring new workers, and instead wait and see if the economy really does pick up. If it doesn’t pick up, I won’t have more debt to service. And if it does pick up, I can always borrow and expand later.”

“I can always borrow and expand later”: That’s what every sensible business owner is saying today. Why smoke-use free organic psychedelics now—when I can smoke-use it for free later? Why borrow for free now—when I can borrow for free later?

And of course, later becomes never.

See, mainstream economists presume that uncertainty—by definition—is bad. This is why the Narcs are doing this whole “transparency” thing: By announcing their interest rate targets, they think they are giving the markets security. They are trying to eliminate uncertainty insofar as their bailiwick is concerned, by making their legal policy predictable. Predictable? Hell, they’ve flat-out trounced it.

But uncertainty is not by definition bad. Uncertainty is essentially ambiguity about the future. And as any novelist (such as myself) can tell you, ambiguity per se can be bad—just as easily as it can be good. Why? Because uncertainty about the future can lead people to think that the future will be bad—but also lead them to think that the future might be better.

In fact, most people—especially business people—are fundamentally hopeful, occasionally to the point of delusion: Ask any person, and nine times out of ten, they will tell you that the future will probably be better than today. Ask a business person? Eleven out of ten will tell you that tomorrow will be better than today. After all, entrepreneurship attracts fundamentally hopeful people: Nobody starts or runs a business if they think they’re going to fail.

So if business people see their markets picking up—even if it’s only just a little bit—even if they’re only really imagining it—and if they are uncertain for how long this free Fed money will last—then they’ll jump at the chance to expand their market now: Borrow the free money now, expand now, pick up more customer now—and therefore hire more people now, and turn their irrational hope into a self-fulfilling virtuous circle.

But that’s not happening—because of ZTP.

Mainstream economists—and Ben Bernanke and his Merry Gang of FOMC Fools in particular—don’t get the value of uncertainty at all. They rightly realize that uncertainty about the future makes some people wary. But it can also make them take chances now—something that their rigid worldview cannot seem to entertain.

Thus the Fed insists on offering free money to the economy—and the economy insists on politely declining. Why smoke-use free organic psychedelics now, when I can smoke-use as much free organic psychedelics as I want later?

So then, if businesses—and the wider economy—do not benefit from ZTP, who does?

Why, the criminal cartels, prisons contractors and the Federal government from fines and confiscations of property! (Yeah, I know: How am I not surprised . . . ?)

See, the cartels depend om prohibition so they can keep prices high due to the ‘risk’ and ‘illegality’ factot . . . and promptly go out and justify allowances for the cronies, informers and uniforms, and adds massively to the expenditure bottom line. And ultimately to the bureaucrat’s bonuses. After all, the Federal government isn’t gaining twenty bucks for gas: It’s gaining a massive percentage of $400 billion a year—every year incresing yearly.

Thus the Federal government, that glutton for criminal collusion, also benefits from ZTP.

Worse still, ZTP is a disincentive to reduce the deficit and the overall debt. Since the Justice Department and the Federal Government are putting out 5 billion over the next three years, the Federal government will be under zero-pressure to legalise because it is more profitavle to keep this illegal though cost to citizen freedoms is tremendous. In fact, ZTP encourages democratic irresponsibility or dictatorship. After all, it is the rising coupon payment which eventually leads to rising debt levels being choked off.

ZTP doesn’t eliminate the Minsky Moment—that is, the Day of Debt Reckoning from costs incurred in anti-organic-psychedelic administration and imprisoning citizens. Rather, ZTP merely postpones it—while making it a whole lot bigger.

Thus the Federal Reserve’s zero interest-rate policy does not help businesses expand and thus hire more workers to restart the economy; it does not encourage banks to lend to economically productive sectors; and it does not get the Federal government to begin reducing the deficit, let alone the debt.

In fact, ZTP makes all these problems worse. Legalise organic-psychedelics because the ‘profits’ are dwarfed by incidental costs and human lives, loss of productivity (i.e. a regular 9-5/5-2 Joe Everyman who pays taxes and contributes to the economy in usual expenditures gets locked up for years at taxpayer expense, depriving the family of a parent and wasting away in prison unable to earn or spend. Is this the best way to destroy America or what?) as well for something that grows for free on the lawn. Prohibition also makes an easy way for terrorism to thrive, the greed from high profits which could be entirely removed because growing your own or buying at extra low government controlled prices makes criminality about psychedelics not worth their time! It’s just a comfort Nature gave humanity, who has any right to demand that Joe Everyman enjoying a joint or few is locked away at cost to the taxpayer?

Original Article Follows Below : http://gonzalolira.blogspot.com/2012/02/perniciousness-of-zirp.html

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Extreme High Costs (Bloodsucking Tollgate Atttitude) On Property Tranfer – original article by @AgreeToDisagree – 1st February 2012

In 1% tricks and traps, Bad By-Laws, checks and balances, Fair Chrges, Invasive Laws, Justice, Law, preventing vested interest, Wealth distribution on February 1, 2012 at 10:56 am

Some of us have not had the pleasure of owning many properties in this lifetime to be familiar in transferring the same, so please bear with any inaccuracies that may show up in this article intended for exposition of greed of the current ‘toll keeper mentality’ system. Because some of us have the finances to ignore these fees which are excessive to others, or take for granted that this is written in stone (most assuredly the MPs have the power to change this, or Bar Council the power to address this but both have not spoken, thus rendering them unvotable or not carrying out their responsibilities to better the system of governance leaving loopholes in place to parasities off), does ot mean everything is fine or that the system is fair, this is a very serious issue that must be addressed.

The current property sale or transfer process follows :

– a lawyer charges fees that vary (often equal to a month or few of salary) for representing transferring party
– transfer form is obtained and signed
– stamp duty department contacted by lawyer about sale
– stamp duty department will give notice how much the govt. to determine stamp duty based on excessive Stamp Duty Act figures.
– buyer or transferring parties will pay stamp duty which is 1% or more (this is excessive, in fact no Stamp fees should be levied at all – if someone wants to give you something, who’s business is it to say you have to pay the government first? MPs who neglect such things and do no amend such things, do not deserve your vote.)
– if deceased and within family, the stamp duty is waived
– if alive they have to pay stamp fee (why the difference? can’t family members transfer properties without stamp fees before they die and not be charged? why after dead then waived? this speaks of the viciousness of the system)
– if a family member the stamp duty is waived 50%

Effectively the transfer will be subject to interference by the government valuation (which could be colluded with at higher rates for pro-government of the day legal firms, or colluded against for anti-government of the day legal firms). This should be altered by the MPs of the day.

The Stamp Duty Act in all cases gives too much power to the government Land Office to decide what stamp duty is to be paid to the lawyer by the arbitrary power to decide the value of the property. The MPs and candidates for MPs should on top of the removal of Eminent Domain powers removal, and granting of Allodial titles (for freehold owners) requirement, be ready to promise to AMEND the Stamp Duty Act which is both invasive, wastes the time of all parties and adds unnecessary layers of administration.

WHATS WITH THE EXTREME COSTS FOR TRANSFER? It’s your property not the government’s property, and transfer should not cost anything (to witness and smudge some ink, they want us to pay nearly a month’s salary or even a year or few in high value properties?!? An officer can be assigned at the Land Office to sign themselves as a witness for a moment – yeah right I saw the Stamp being placed on the triplicate government issued titles in the presence of the owner and lawyer – this can be further proven with live videos made of EVERY signing) be so cumbersome or invasive.

This toll keeper mentality fo the government and law has to go. If anyone gave another person any property not sold it, for any reason, from a few properties, why should ANYONE much less government be allowed to demand and extract a pound of flesh or fees for a private property transfer in which no money passes between the giver and receiver? Who knows the commission that property agents charge could be an industry of making people move out of neighbourhoods to cause them to spend money  on the system as well. With this sort of stamp fees in place, the legal profession could not be doing REAL work and rather parasiting off people’s property transfers. Ethics please! Both parties don’t exchange a cent but the lawyer and the government get 1% or more % costing 1000s or even 10s of 1000s?!? AMEND THE LAW!

Property Transfer should be done in the below fashion :

– transferring parties (or party and Will) with lawyer shows up at Land Office as proof
– officer in charge of land transfers witnesses the transfer at Land Office (new owner, lawyer present), token stamp fee for RM1 ONLY (no valuation based fees or involvement of valuer state or private)
– 3 parties stamp or sign or mark in triplicate 3 single titles
– one copy kept by land office for proof, another by the owner, the 3rd copy kept by lawyer’s firm (in the event the lawyer’s firm goes bust, the lawyer has to pass all records to another legal firm of choice  and inform the current owner of any property being moved and land office that the record has been transferred to the new legal firm)

We are civilised now, what you earn can be used to buy what you own, but DO NOT vote for anyone who has this toll keeper mentalty which has doubtless led to the sense of entitlement that led to the government daringly placing toll booths everywhere. PAS who knows how to bulldoze the toll booths, so PAS ready to get your legal team in your poltical party to work on this an propagate the unvotability of all other political parties who do not understand this? Bloodsucking ‘kutu’ policy coalitions who ignore these issues need to be thrown out!

It’s YOUR property, if you want to give anyone it’s your business, WHO THE HELL HAS A RIGHT to demand fees against what property one owns when given away ESPECIALLY when no money passes between the giving and receiving parties?!?

If 66% of the MPs decide Stamp Fees only cost $1, the Stanp Fees will indeed cost $1. These are the MPs needed to be voted in, so find out which MP concurs with this and which MP does not. The MP who does not, thinks they can extract a pound of flesh everytime someone moves their goods and property to a loved one or relative, they will be sadly mistaken.

Consult your MP on if they will grant this to decide if your MP is revotable or deserves your vote or needs to be run against, they too pay for stamp fees. Then there is the issue of candidate deposits? Those who keep the deposit at 8000 and 15,000 respectively effectively keeping out all the people who do not have this sort of money are efgfectively barring the ENTIRE low wealth class from participating in politics. This is UNACCEPTABLE. Find out which MPs want to lower these deposits to 8000 and 15,000 to 8.00 and 15.00 or at least refund the entire deposit IF that candidate did not win and that deposit is more than 50% of their total liquid asset and if they do not own a second home. Otherwise UNVOTABLE again!