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Origin of the Roma – compilation various sources by AgreeToDisagree – late August 2011

In Caucasian, Gypsy, Legionairre, Roman, Slavic on January 25, 2012 at 6:40 pm


For the love of Dark Haired Dark Eyed (not white enough) Caucasians, modern Gypsies, South Slavic peoples and Romanians . . . This one is for the ‘less than white’ whites based in Rome/Greece. The country of origin of the Roma was a great mystery from the Middle Ages, when they arrived in Europe, to both the inhabitants of the countries they arrived in, as well as to historians. It isn’t possible to determine the date of their arrival in Europe exactly, because they spread through Europe in individual bands independant of each other. The only available references are the records that have survived in the archives of various cities and towns. These records are evidence only of their “official” discovery and don’t reveal the exact date of their arrival, merely a chain of events that made their way into the archives.

Romulus and Remus (think Romulan and Kittim then Judaism, then look at the adversorial role in Hollywood in Star Trek) are Rome’s twin founders in its traditional foundation myth, although the former is sometimes said to be the sole founder. Their maternal grandfather was Numitor, rightful king of Alba Longa, a descendant of the Trojan prince Aeneas, and father to Rhea Silvia (also known as Ilia.) Before their conception, Numitor’s brother Amulius deposed his brother, killed his sons and forced Rhea to become a Vestal Virgin, intending to deprive Numitor of lawful heirs and thus secure his own position; but Rhea conceived Romulus and Remus by either the god Mars or the demi-god Hercules. When the twins were born, Amulius left them to die but they were saved by a series of miraculous interventions (Gypsy luck no doybt stems from here). A she-wolf found them and suckled them. Hence the totem animal for the Romans should be the Wolf (and this is how Werewolves tied into the Vlad-Dracula myth), though wolves were later destroyed because wolves also ate many of the Roma in the pre-Christian era.

A shepherd and his wife then fostered them and raised them to manhood as shepherds. The twins proved to be natural leaders and acquired many followers. When told their true identities, they killed Amulius, restored Numitor to the throne of Alba Longa and decided to found a new city for themselves. Romulus wished to build the new city on the Palatine Hill but Remus preferred the Aventine Hill. They agreed to determine the site through augury. Romulus appeared to receive the more favorable signs but each claimed the results in his favor. In the disputes that followed, Remus was killed. Ovid has Romulus invent the festival of Lemuria to appease Remus’ resentful ghost. Romulus names the new city Rome after himself and goes on to create the Roman Legions and the Roman Senate. Rome’s population is swelled by incomers, including landless refugees and outlaws; most are men. Romulus arranges the abduction of women from the neighboring Sabine tribes, which immediately leads to war but eventually results in the combination of Sabines and Romans as one Roman people. Rome rapidly expands to become a dominant force in central Italy, due to divine favour and the inspired administrative, military and political leadership of Romulus. In later life Romulus becomes increasingly autocratic, disappears in mysterious circumstances and is deified as the god Quirinus, the divine persona of the Roman people. The image of the she-wolf suckling the divinely fathered twins became an iconic representation of the city and its founding legend, making Romulus and Remus preeminent among the feral children of ancient mythography. The martial nature of that the Galea (brush topped helmet) represented. The legend as a whole encapsulates Rome’s ideas of itself, its origins and moral values; for modern scholarship, it remains one of the most complex and problematic of all foundation myths, particularly in the matter and manner of Remus’ death. Ancient historians had no doubt that Romulus gave his name to the city. Most modern historians believe his name a back-formation from the name Rome; the basis for Remus’ name and role remain subjects of ancient and modern speculation. The myth was fully developed into something like an “official”, chronological version in the Late Republican and early Imperial era. Roman historians dated the city’s foundation from 758 to 728 BC. Plutarch says Romulus was fifty-three at his death; his reckoning gives the twins’ birth year as c. 771 BC. Possible historical bases for the broad mythological narrative remain unclear and are much disputed. Very few scholars believe in the historicity of Romulus and Remus, but Andrea Carandini is one. He bases his belief on the 1988 discovery of an ancient wall which he names as the Murus Romuli on the north slope of the Palatine Hill in Rome, and dates to the mid 8th century BC. In the Balkans, the Roma were named by a term originally given to a sect of Macedonian monks (probably a disbanded Roman Legion), the Athiganoi or Atsiganos, from which came another group of names – Zingaro, Tsigane, Zigeuner, Cigani, Cikani.

“The number of foreign loan words in Romales corresponds to the length of stay in various countries.” Thanks to this revelation, we can also estimate the migration of the leftover Roman troops (who probably interbred with Indians all the way to, Turkey, Spain’s Spaniards to the pheripheries of White Europe with greater precision. The Roman empire in the end was overrun by millions of barbarians from the north and east of Europe. It is believed to have happened two or three times in history that huge migrations took place across Europe, where peoples moved to settle in new territories. The great migration proved too much for the Romans to stem. Their armies were designed to defeat other armies, not entire folks and peoples flooding toward them. The collapse was completed when Rome itself was conquered by the Visigoth Odoacer and his men in the year AD 476. But what is generally referred to as ‘the Fall of Rome’ doesn’t include the eastern empire the heart of which stood Romania. This, with its centre in Constantinople, managed to cling on for almost another thousand years until it was eventually conquered by the Turks under their leader Mohammed II in the year AD 1453. In connection with the Mongol and Turkish expansion, the former Roman troops, now gypsies known as Roma (truncated the ‘n’ from Roman), continued perhaps in a subtle spiritual circumambulation in disguise as poor wanderers through South East Europe, Asia Minor and the Balkans, also settled for a time in Greece, which explains the numerous Greek words in Romales, and then advanced up the Danube valley to Central Europe. A different branch went through Armenia, the Caucasus, later Russia and then Scandanavia. By the 15th century, the Roma were dispersed all throughout Europe, including England and Scotland, very much the entirity of Imperial Vulpine Rome’s region of control at the height to it’s power. Their adopted exotic appearance brought forth various speculations about the reasons for their wandering life and theories about their original homeland. Europeans were patient with the nomads at first, taking them to be the penitent Christian pilgrims they passed themselves off as.

Chroniclers described their looks and compared them to the Tatars. Dark skinned, they approached the cities in long caravans, some on foot, others on horseback, with wagons full of baggage, women and children. Central Europe still remembered the Tatar raids very well, and the Roma, who were well aware of their similarity to the Tatars, presented themselves as peace-loving folk besides. In white Europe, the Roma found themselves in an entirely special situation, because their group’s informal norms weren’t always in harmony with the norm and value systems of the surrounding majority population, and to this day they have difficulty finding a compromise among the norms to follow. Probably a throwback to Roman discipline and due to likely persecution of former overlords when their capital fell, the Roma always lived in closed groups and the unfriendliness of the “Gadje” strengthened to a certain degree the solidarity between individual Romani groups

Eventually, their martial traits degenerated into the lower expressions of Mars, and they justified stealing and robbing as their way of getting back at various overthrows. Doubtless they were and still are the only European force fprmally a match occultwise against the modern Egypto-Masonic ‘true whites’ who are having structural problem of their own. South Eastern Europe (Roman Empire) where the ‘less than white’ Caucasians (derisively termed Slavic nations ‘Slaves’???) of former Imperial Rome spanning perhaps Romania, Hungary, Austria Slovenia Croatia, Bosnia Herzegovina, Sarejevo, Montenegro, Bulgaruia, Macedonia, Albania, Greece, Italy (and of course Rome – now a 2 sq km microstate itself) which should be recapitalised again under a new Imperator and Patrician class, after forming a second EU style entity based on the Roman Empire, could yet conglomerate a portion of lands that the Vulpine-Romulan Roman Empire once ruled all the way from Italy to Romania. Right now, all ‘Southern Slavic’ nations are depopulating and being relegated as the poor EU, if governments in that reguion of the Vulpine Roman Empire chose to study a certain body of work, they could regain their pride and raise massive interest in their long and illutrious history as the Roman Imperiale again.


Look up Lupercalia and Lykaia as well and consider re-adopting some of the most distinct cultural and faith traditions. Holy Romulus,the First Emperor of the Roma and Goddess Lupa would be proud of his descendents and the region would doubtless emerge as a cultural centre of the East Mediterranean and Balkans, Black Sea region again. Let the world know what PALATINE means and not let this name be subsumed by a false Star Wars franchise. Who knows the Jedi Faith could be art of the new group who indirectly worship Romulus and Goddess Lupa? As for burning of Vestal Virgins, we leave that to the volunteers who doubtless would participate, this has beena long way arriving since Moloch, being called Kittim and later gypsies, the circle shows how it will be completed study the Pax Roman dark haired, daerk eyed Caucasians, no more will your people be secondary to another – and stop migrating to the ‘whiter’ EUrope for a start, you need to invest in your own country.

Try lobbying your government for the below on the listed basis : PLAN OF ACTION FOR SOUTH SLAVIC CITIZENS Cultural Learnings of America for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of . . . just joking, from here on it should always be Hail the Roman Empire and the Goddess Lupa ! Let the listed slavic governments all distribute land to feed their citizens with, and that will be their work and sustenance. Who says they are jobless? The state sequestering land makes citizens homeless and have no avenue to grow their own food. Then government wanting to control everything pretends to give food stamps until the nation goes bankrupt. Doesn’t the country belong to all citizens? By extension, all that land also belongs to the citizens and should be distributed for growing food at least. If youth or citizens are hungry and jobless, give them land to do subsistence farming which will occupy their time. Making food for themselves will be their job.

So simple and free of cost. But do not bother with infrastructure which will cost alot. Dig your own pit system for toilets, , your government can’t afford toilets yet, for housing, a “dirt cheap” building system (under $1,000 US dollars) is something most people in the region can afford, especially with donor and government support. Ordinary people, even those without building experience, can quickly grasp the concept of filling bags with soil or crushed rubble to build their homes. Manufactured building materials are becoming increasingly scarce and expensive but use of locally available earth, recycled materials. The comfort and security provided by sturdy sandbag (“earthbag”) walls creates houses that are more hurricane, tsunami and earthquake resistant than virtually any other structures currently being built in the region. Most housing designs in current use fail to adequately address the issue of sustainability. Houses that require large quantities of wood, for example, are not sustainable. Much of the wood would likely come from non-sustainable sources such as illegally clear cut forests. Likewise, houses built primarily of concrete – a high embodied energy material that is a major cause of global warming – are not sustainable.

Empowering local communities to take over building of free housing for themselves is useful. Construction of these houses develops local skills, such as basic carpentry and plastering, and helps create microenterprises that provide building materials. And with growth of ownj food, there will be no dependence on Western European employers who hardly welcome ‘job stealing’ or ‘job competition’ anyway. It will be frontier style living as in ancient Roman times, but no more food stamp fees, no high crime rates just because people have no land to work, and better than national bankruptcy of homeless in tent cities everywhere ! It all hinges on what the politicians (Patrician classes) among the South slavic states (Romulans of the resurgent Vulpine Roman Empire) could do !

Declare redistribution of all unused state land. Those who are too lazy to work their own fields can die, and at that point government could say, they had land and if they were too lazy to cultivate even their own food, they deserved it. Remember that the lands and wealth of the world belong to all men so Romans, don’t think you are not part of the country or don’t deserve anything – IT IS YOUR LAND and you have a right to cultivate it and own it (at least enough for subsistence and living space purposes). Challenge all your Senators and Governors and Mayors and Congressmen or candidates for the same to sign the pledge form under a cam with a clear timetable. Indict them if they fail to keep the pledges later. All it takes is an aye or nay after a bill or amendment is aired. remember to vote ONLY for people not worth more than 20 million tops. Anything above (actually anything above 2M IMHO) and you will end up with someone who will not be able to write policy according to the needs of the Joe Public ‘masses’.

Long live the Roman Empire ! Hail Imperator Romulus the Second !