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6 Articles On Malaysia – featuring DAP-MCA debate, Chinese Mentri Besars, Spa Raid, PAS’s First Bureaucratic Interference and Najib’s Out of Touchedness – reposted by @AgreeToDisagree – 19th February 2012

In 1% tricks and traps, Bumiputera Apartheid, candidacy, checks and balances, conflict of interest, Eminent Domain, lack of focus, Malaysia, media tricks, misplaced adoration, politics, racism, Sexuality, vested interest, voting methods, voting strategy on February 19, 2012 at 10:21 am

ARTICLE 1

People the winner in Chinese debate, says Soi Lek – by Yow Hong Chieh – February 18, 2012

Lim (left) and Dr Chua greet each other warmly at the end of their debate. — Picture by Jack Ooi

KUALA LUMPUR, Feb 18 — Datuk Seri Dr Chua Soi Lek has called his debate with DAP secretary-general Lim Guan Eng this evening a victory for the public, who got to hear views from both sides of the political divide.

The MCA president, whose hour-long debate in Mandarin with Lim was shown live on Astro, stressed that the public should not see the event as a “school debate” with winners and losers but a chance to better understand the two parties.

“The winner is the people, and not Lim Guan Eng or Chua Soi Lek, because they are the ones who know the true position of the parties,” he told reporters after the debate at the “Malaysian Chinese at the Political Crossroads” conference here.

Dr Chua hoped the debate held at Berjaya Times Square Hotel here would serve as starting point for similar events between the MCA and DAP in future, but said that it would be up to individual politicians to decide if they wanted to do so.

Lim also said today’s debate on the two-party system in Malaysia had benefited the people as such exchanges were part and parcel of a healthy democracy.

This was because debates helped to air advice and dissent, which is crucial to building consensus through a process of public consultation, he explained.

He wished to see other leaders from Barisan Nasional (BN) and Pakatan Rakyat (PR) take part in such debates, singling out Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Razak.

“We hope this small step will be followed by a big one, that is (a debate) between Datuk Seri Najib and opposition leader Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim,” Lim said, joking that the public would get bored if only he and Dr Chua debated each other.

Najib has baulked at several offers from Anwar to debate on policy issues, which the PKR de facto leader has said would let voters decide for themselves if the opposition pact’s plans for the country had merit.

The Umno president had previously demurred by saying debates were not necessary as political parties were more important than individuals in Malaysia’s parliamentary democracy.

Both Dr Chua and Lim said they would debate each other again soon in Bahasa Malaysia and English on another topic.

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If the below 3 items are not granted by either MCA or DAP, the people will not be the winner of everything no matter how many times DAP and MCA debate. We did not vote for MCA or DAP to debate, we voted for MCA or DAP to grant :

1) Freedom from Apartheid/Fascism
2) Freedom from Religious-Persecution/Religious-Supremacy.
3) Equality for all ethnicities and faiths in all aspects of policy, Law and Constitution.

Debate among yourselves for what? 3rd Force Chinese parties, are you ready tp trounce these 2 hegelian dialectic parties? As long as APARTHEID persists, the people (especially minorities or persecuted Malays who are not ‘Muslim enough’ – it is actually true that Malays wishing to counter the fundo mentality here in some quarters are depending on the Orang Asli, Indians and Chinese to ensure UNHCR Article 1 and by extension UNHCR Article 18 will be assured in Malaysia) are the loser. So end the APARTHEID before saying anyone won, it is the MPs who won, since they get to keep the salaries that taxpayers pay for. End APARTHEID and stop debating! File lawsuits. refer to the Reid Commission or the UNHCR Article 1. Contact the UN about apartheid. Contact the homelands India and China to send a Commissar to help MCA and DAP think clearly, it’s just equality not destruction of the Malay race we ask for DAP and MCA to do!

 

 

ARTICLE 2

No point addressing lies, says Guan Eng – by Shannon Teoh – February 19, 2012

KUALA LUMPUR, Feb 19 — Lim Guan Eng dismissed today criticisms that he failed to reply to questions from the floor in yesterday’s debate with political rival Datuk Seri Dr Chua Soi Lek, saying he does not respond to lies.

The Penang chief minister told reporters in the island that he did not touch on whether the state government had increased local assessment fees; why DAP supported hudud; and if land was allocated to Chinese vernacular schools as the allegations made were untrue.

“Did we increase?” the DAP secretary general asked local Penang reporters. “Chua Soi Lek said we support hudud. We have already said many times we oppose hudud and that is why you don’t have it in Penang. You know and I know.”

“If you want to reply to lies, you will have no time to present your policies,” the Bagan MP said.

The highly anticipated debate saw Lim attacking Dr Chua’s MCA for being unable to stop graft within the Barisan Nasional (BN) coalition.

But the former health minister took DAP to task for being “a slave” to PAS, the Islamic party in the opposition Pakatan Rakyat (PR) pact.

The debate, themed “Chinese at a Crossroads. Is the 2 Party System Becoming a 2 Race System?” was also screened on Astro in Mandarin with Malay translation provided.

The floor largely backed a stern-looking Dr Chua whose opponent smiled throughout most of the debate despite enduring heavy fire from questions by the audience.

Lim added today that as the debate was organised by MCA, “eight or nine out of the 10 questions” were directed towards him instead of the MCA president.

“You get six minutes of questions but only three minutes to answer. Even Chua Soi Lek agreed there was no time. A debate should not be a forum to spew lies and personal attacks,” he said.

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No point addressing lies? Heres a huge lie in the making by an inwrd looking slip in the language by LGE. Waddya mean *in Penang* LGE? We are interested in the assurance of protection of all minorities in the whole of Malaysia. If DAP’s reach is only *in Penang* then MCA or any 3rd Force party has already won. LGE said *in Penang* there are minorities ALL over Malaysia. Is this how far DAP aspires for equality *in Penang*. A satrapy under the Lim Clan? That is why the 3rd Force or indie candidates will form the backbone of Malaysia’s minorties’ future.

 

 

ARTICLE 3

And now for the truth about Tee Keat: It’s a red herring! Impossible for non-Malay to be MB Featured – written by  Jackson Ng (retired ?streetpounding? journalist), Malaysia Chronicle – Tuesday, 14 February 2012 03:33

And now for the truth about Tee Keat: It’s a red herring! Impossible for non-Malay to be MB

I READ with amusement the Malaysia Chronicle (MC) report titled “Tee Keat to be the first ever Chinese ‘Mentri Besar’ of Selangor?”

At the point of writing, the report attracted 275 comments from MC readers, testimony of the interest and excitement over such an appointment coming true.

Also, at the same time, I have also yet to come across any news report of a response from Prime Minister Najib Abdul Razak, who is also Selangor Barisan Nasional (BN) chairman, or Pandan MP Ong Tee Keat.

I also note the maturity of the majority of MC readers in expressing their disbelief of such an appointment being realised.

Red herring

Why is it unbelievable? Section 51 of the Selangor Constitution is the reason:

…no person shall be appointed to be Menteri Besar unless he is of the Malay Race and professes the Muslim Religion. So, is it a wonder that both Najib and Ong have yet to respond or any follow-up from the mainstream media?

It is just too unbelievable and too stupid to respond. It is obvious the speculation was generated as a red herring to lure Tee Keat out of Pandan where he had served as MP since January 1989 or 23 years.

The work of Tee Keat’s enemies – MCA is certain

Speculation is swirling on both sides of the political divide that Tee Keat, a former MCA president, will be made the first Chinese Mentri Besar or chief minister of Selangor, if the Umno-BN coalition manages to retake the state in the coming 13th general election.

It is clear the speculation is the work of people who don’t want Tee Keat to defend Pandan but to go for a state assembly nomination. Who are they? MCA is certain or perhaps Umno or both?

One thing is almost certain. After 23 years in politics, Tee Keat cannot be that stupid to take such bait when Section 51 of the Selangor Constitution is so clear on the appointment of a Mentri Besar.

It looks and more and more like Tee Keat is in the wrong coalition!


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We do not care who is the MB. It is more important to have :

1) Freedom from Apartheid/Fascism
2) Freedom from Religious-Persecution/Religious-Supremacy.
3) Equality for all ethnicities and faiths in all aspects of policy, Law and Constitution.

If the WHOLE cabinet and dewan were Malay and the above 3 items with a few other freedoms assured, Malaysia would be more perfect than it is with a Chinese lapdog in every MB seat but without the above 3 items.

 

 

ARTICLE 4

Bukit Aman storms ‘stubborn’ spa – by Aizat Sharif – Wednesday, February 15, 2012 – 14:57

NABBED: Foreign masseuses were arrested during a raid at a massage centre yesterday. The centre is believed have been operating body-to-body massage as an extra service for its client

KUALA LUMPUR: A health centre in Desa Hartamas must have a “stubborn streak” in it for continuing to operate illegally as a massage parlour despite being raided by state and district police several times last year.

On Monday night, the Federal anti-vice police turned up at its doors on the first floor of a shoplot in Jalan 20/70A at 10.45pm.

The raiding party, led by Chief Inspector Wiryanti Abdul Wahid, nabbed a local man suspected to be the operator and four foreign women.

Three customers, who were also detained, were released after their statements were recorded.

“The place, believed to be operating for the past six months, had been raided several times by the state and district police last year,” said Wiryanti.

She said from now on, police and City Hall would monitor the premises to ensure it would not revert to its illicit business.

She said the foreigners, an Indonesian and three Thai nationals, aged 20 to 30, did not possess any identification documents.

“We also found out the premises to be operating illegally and a local operator, in his 30s, was also detained. The masseuses are also believed to provide extra services, like ‘body-to-body’ massage and sex, for clients.” she said.

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This is getting tedious. Legalise the adult services outlet or districts and just make sure no Muslims are allowed to use the services. It is a human right for both the non-Muslim client and the sex worker. Malaysia cannot take away non-Muslim rights to a legalized adult industry without falling afoul of the UNHCR especially for outlets that stick strictly to non-Muslims.

 

 

ARTICLE 5

PAS Sacks Religious Teacher Who Joined PPP – 19 February 2012 00:19

KOTA BAHARU — The People’s Progressive Party (PPP) is disappointed over the Kelantan Government’s decision to sack a religious teacher after she and her husband joined the PPP in Pasir Puteh, four days ago.

PPP vice-president Nik Sapeia Nik Yusoff said the PAS action was unprofessional and was tantamount to practising political revenge, which did not reflect upon an Islamic-based party.

“I urge Kelantan Menteri Besar Nik Abdul Aziz Nik Mat to take this matter seriously.

“Barisan Nasional (BN) does not sack those who do not support the coalition. This is evidence of PAS despotism,” he told a media conference here on Saturday.

Eighty PAS members in Wakaf Village, Pasir Puteh, including the religious teacher, Siti Rokiah Mohd Zain, 53, quit the party and joined PPP.

Nik Sapeia said, after joining PPP, a PAS leader had informed Siti Rokiah that she was sacked from her position as religious teacher and not eligible to receive her monthly allowance of RM200.

The PAS’ high-handed decision has upset Siti Rokiah.

“I have been teaching Islam since 2004. I am not really concerned about the allowance, but this small amount was withdrawn because I joined the PPP,” she said.

Nevertheless, Nik Sapeia disclosed, PPP would help Siti Rokiah receive a similar allowance, beginning this month, and urged her to continue teaching the residents.

He also handed over RM1,200 to Siti Rokiah as six-month allowance.

(Bernama)

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After the string of successes in ethics, a very bad and unethical move by PAS. Firings must not be politically motivated and citizen choice of political party cannot be used as a weapon or to sideline citizens by. This is a democracy, not the jaguh kampung’s backyard. Firings can be done on meritocracy but this firing smacks of Theocracvy and politicised Islam. Islam is not to be sullied by politics. Reinstate the religious teacher but make sure Siti does not talk politics in religion class either.

 

 

ARTICLE 6

Billionaires Became Rich Because Of Our Policy – Sunday, 19 February 2012 00:12

KUALA LUMPUR — Malaysian billionaires became rich bacause of the country’s policy and stability, said Prime Minister Najib Tun Razak.

“I looked at (Friday’s) newspapers… the list of Malaysian billionaires. I studied each one of them. Maybe some in this room today. Every one of them became rich because of our policy,” he said when opening the one-day “Malaysian Chinese at the Political Crossroads” conference jointly organised by the Asian Strategy and Leadership Institute and the MCA think-tank, Insap, here yesterday.

Najib said these billionaires either hold concessions or were in the right place and at the right time.

He said that the billionaires benefited from the stability of Malaysia and the government would continue to ensure growth and create more and more opportunities.

According to Najib, the Malaysian Chinese are more entrepreneurial compared to the Bumiputeras and the government would continue to make Malaysia a better place to do business.

“Even if they don’t get concessions, they have to be in the right place and at the right time. They benefited from our policy, they benefited from the fact that we give stability to this country.

“We will continue to ensure that the nation will grow and will create more and more opportunities,” he said.

Najib also said that the government would continue to listen to the problems of the Malaysian Chinese.

“We will make sure there are more opportunities for them to advance in this country,” he added.

(Bernama)

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Najib said these billionaires either hold (were selectively given) concessions or were in the right place (political families) and at the right time (political alliances currently in power). Thats not meritocracy, but political cronyism . . . Najib shouldn’t hire speech writers then talk as if he believes in the material he’s reading, a sense of doom for the country darkens the political scene when articles about statments like these appear. Does the Royal Collective of Malay rulers know that the nation of Malaysia’s helm is on autopilot? What IS Najib doing??? Probably still thinks hes the Defence Minister during dr.Evil’s time . . . end the apartheid at least if you can’t focus Najib, the country could at least attribute something worthwhile to your Premiership, the next generation of BN leaders looks very uninspiring overall especially if apartheid still cannot end . . . PM shows the ‘out of touch’, ”pre-scripted’ side of himself here . . .

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The marine who slept with Hollywood’s elite and became a sexual Mr Fixit to the stars – by Ryan Parry, Daily Mirror 31/01/2012

In Prostitution, social freedoms on February 3, 2012 at 10:19 am

Demobbed after the thrilling exploits of war, former US marine Scotty Bowers found himself in a dreary job at a petrol station.

But a chance meeting with actor Walter Pidgeon, who propositioned the handsome hunk at the pumps, launched the 23-year-old into a sordid world of lust and debauchery involving Hollywood’s biggest names and most glamorous figures.

In an astonishing twist of fate, he became the Mr Fixit for screen icons who sought out the more lurid trappings of Tinseltown during its glory days.

Wild affairs, gay romps and rampant prostitution were the order of the day and Bowers was the man they turned to for their salacious ­entertainment, he claims in a book.

He set up hundreds of sexual encounters for legends including Katharine Hepburn, Rita Hayworth and Vivien Leigh while himself jumping into bed with leading men and women.
Rita Hayworth (Pic: AP)

Scotty Bowers set Rita Hayworth up with dates

Now, Bowers has lifted the lid on his days as a go-between for a host of actors in the 40s and 50s.

The 88-year-old tells of a prostitute ring which catered for gay and bisexual stars such as Cary Grant, George Cukor and Rock Hudson.

Bowers claimed he bedded Hepburn’s partner Spencer Tracy and counted French singer Edith Piaf, Gone With The Wind beauty Leigh and Grant as lovers.

And he even claims he had a threesome with the Duke of Windsor and his wife Wallis Simpson.

Bowers claims he set up Hepburn – long believed to have been bisexual – with “more than 150 different women”. He insists he kept quiet until now out of respect for the privacy of the stars he bedded or fixed up romps for. He says: “I didn’t want to hurt any of these people. “I don’t need the money. And I never saw the fascination. So they liked sex how they liked it. Who cares?

“I finally said yes because all of my famous tricks are dead by now. The truth can’t hurt them any more.” Bowers tells in his book Full Service: My Adventures In Hollywood And The Secret Sex Lives Of The Stars how he accidentally fell into his role as a steamy Mr Fixit.

He was at a petrol station on Hollywood Boulevard, near Paramount Pictures, in 1946 after leaving the marines when Pidgeon pulled up and propositioned him with a 20 dollar bill. He accepted and before long was “arranging similar stuff” for the star’s more adventurous friends.

Apart from romping with them himself – his striking good looks attracted Hollywood’s biggest icons – he would also set them up with his marine pals.

Bowers ran the flourishing business from a back room at the garage because it was “safer” than in gay bars. He added: “Sometimes police would come around. But I never got caught partly because I kept everything in my head. There was no little black book.”

Grant was perhaps Bowers’ most famous client. The Bristol-born actor was married five times but rumours he was bisexual circulated for years – he lived with fellow actor Randolph Scott off and on for 12 years.

Fashion journalist Richard Blackwell said Grant and Scott were “deeply, madly in love”, and alleged accounts of their physical affection have been published. Alexander D’Arcy, who starred with Grant in The Awful Truth, said the actor and Scott “lived together as a gay couple”.

Bowers quit his job in 1950 and claims he supported himself for the next 20 years through prostitution, bar work and as a handyman. In addition to his gay clients, he says he gained a following of straight actors such Desi Arnaz. Best known as Ricky Ricardo on the hit American TV series I Love Lucy, he used Bowers for matchmaking.

But the fixer claims in his book, out on February 14, he never accepted payment for setting up encounters. He insists: “I wasn’t a pimp.”

Bowers, who says he prefers the sexual company of women, continued his lurid life until the Aids epidemic in the 80s. He wrote: “The disease brought an end to the sexual freedoms that had defined life in Tinseltown. My days of arranging tricks for others were over. It was too unsafe.”

Rumours of a ­prostitution ring run by a mystery man called “Scotty” have floated around Hollywood for years. Since revealing himself as that man, Bowers says he has been inundated with book and film offers.

He says Tennessee Williams had even approached him in the 60s and written an “exposé”. But Bowers hated it, and Williams scrapped it.

He said: “He made me sound like a mad queen flying over Hollywood Boulevard on a broomstick, directing all the queens in town. It was way over the top.”

Bowers now lives in Hollywood Hills with his wife of 27 years, Lois.

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Now we know why Scotty in Star Trek was an engineer and the NLP-associations with the this man to ‘cheapen’ the Scottish people who watch StarTrek, albeit on a subtle level, some effect definitely occurs due to the intent. Hollywood (at least the group that did the earlier Star Trek series) colludes with the Anglo establishment. Subtle and unpleasant. Former US Marine turned retire bartender Bowers though is a fine example of how normal sex workers and sex work can and should be and that it was very important then as it is now, needs to be legalized. Great classic look that isn’t common these days what with all the Brosnan-esque metrosexuals. Where are those shiny suited pimps of the era in between?

5 Articles on Gaming, Prostitution and Organic Psychedelics – reposted by @AgreeToDisagree – late January 2012

In Malaysia, organic psychedelics advocacy, Prostitution, social freedoms, spirit of the law on January 31, 2012 at 2:21 pm

ARTICLE 1

‘What are they waiting for?’ – Andrew Sagayam and Joseph Kaos Jr – 23rd June 2011

Deputy minister blasts police ‘inaction’ on Brickfields vice with arrests of drug-pusher cops

KUALA LUMPUR: Things have come to a head for Deputy Federal Territories and Urban Wellbeing Minister Datuk M. Saravanan who fired a salvo of criticisms at the police for an apparent lack of commitment to clean up Brickfields’ infamous vice activities. He did not mince his words when he said it was high time the police used their powers to “end the menace”. “If everyone else is doing their job, the police should too. They (the police) have the power to put an end to this menace once and for all. What are they waiting for?” he told The Malay Mail. Saravanan’s frustrations had boiled over on the back of a revelation that six cops were recently detained after being caught for alleged drug dealing in Brickfields. It was believed the policemen could be linked to syndicates running vice operations there. The incident had confirmed residents’ worst fear that the very involvement of the men in blue in their neighbourhood’s drug business clearly explained why illegal activities continued to flourish unabated there despite concerted efforts by relevant authorities, including the Kuala Lumpur City Hall, to shut them down.

Following the drug bust, City police had pledged to find out if other cops were involved from the six detained. Saravanan said the police had to act or they would find themselves being accused of “protecting” the place for their own interest. Raids ineffective He said City Hall and other enforcement bodies, such as the Immigration Department and Royal Customs Department, were doing what was required of them to tackle Brickfields’ vice activities, but not the police. “The raids conducted by police are not enough. City Hall is always conducting checks and monitoring the area. I have personally instructed them to keep an eye on Brickfields every day. “All authorities concerned must be serious about combating crime there. It is certainly a setback to all efforts if those entrusted with ridding the area of these vice menaces are also involved in crime.

“The police have to be more effective in their operation. They must conduct more raids.” Saravanan said City Hall had been told to contact the police whenever it discovered illegal activities there. His call for the cops to step up their game was echoed by Lembah Pantai Member of Parliament Nurul Izzah Anwar who said the authorities needed to have a “clear and coherent” strategy in curbing social ills there.

The Paper That Cares (yeah right but whatever lol) had, in a series of reports over the past year, highlighted the free-for-all vice activities that had been taking place in Brickfields for years. Residents claimed lack of enforcement contributed to it while some questioned why police seemed reluctant to rid the area of its bad image. THE police have pledged to raid all illegal outlets in Brickfields after getting more information from six policemen nabbed for selling heroin there. City narcotics chief ACP Kang Chez Chiang told The Malay Mail the State police would not wait for Brickfields police to carry out the raids if they had obtained information on drug activities there. “We can conduct operations in the district. As long as we have gathered enough details, be in on our own or from the public, we will carry out raids.”

On the six detained, Kang said they were checking if the group was involved in other illegal activities. “The six were actively operating in Jalan Klang Lama, Kuchai Lama and Brickfields areas since early this year. We are still investigating to what extent was their involvement in illegal activities in the district. “We are officers of the law and as narcotics policemen, we are supposed to keep drugs off the streets, not being involved with syndicates and selling them.” Last Friday, a KL Narcotics Department team detained the six, who were attached with the Sri Petaling police station, in separate operations following a public tip-off. The first policeman was detained in the evening in Jalan Kuchai Lama for possessing 220grammes of heroin. In a follow-up operation, another cop was nabbed with 48g of heroin in Brickfields.

The other four were arrested later that day. All six, who are in their late 20s and early 30s, have been remanded for seven days from June 18. Two were detained under Section 39B of the Dangerous Drugs Act 1952 while the rest, who tested positive for drugs, were held under Section 31 of the Drug Dependents (Treatment and Rehabilitation) Act 1983. If convicted, the suspects would not only face court sentences but police disciplinary action as well as possible dismissal from the force. Kang said the five lance corporals and a corporal told their superiors they resorted to selling drugs to “make ends meet”.

The Malay Mail learnt they each earned about RM2,500 a month from pushing heroin. MP: Deal with Little India menace KUALA LUMPUR: It is high time the authorities step up their game and deal with the problem of social ills in Brickfields. That was the call by Lembah Pantai Member of Parliament Nurul Izzah Anwar.

Referring to the incessant problem of prostitution, drugs and snatch theft in Kuala Lumpur’s “Little India”, Nurul Izzah said the authorities need to have a “clear and coherent” strategy in solving the problem. She also said the Federal Territories and Urban Wellbeing Ministry’s statement that “social ills will suffer a natural death” with the redevelopment Brickfields was an “irresponsible way of looking at it”. “I’ve mentioned before that this issue needs to be settled in a holistic manner. You need to have a clear and coherent strategy. This has to be taken seriously,” the Parti Keadilan Rakyat vice-president told The Malay Mail.

Nurul Izzah cited the relocation of the Brickfields district police headquarters to Sri Petaling as proof that the authorities were not taking the matter of social ills in Brickfields seriously. “They’ve removed the police station to elsewhere and until today I’ve not heard any justification from the ministry on why it was relocated.

“They’ve removed the police station and I’ve not heard any justification from the ministry on why it was relocated.” Highlights OVER the past year, The Malay Mail had been highlighting the long-time shady activities of Brickfields in support of the Federal Territories and Urban Wellbeing Ministry’s efforts to reinvigorate the area as a tourist attraction. Eager to rid the enclave of its vice haven image, the government branded it as Kuala Lumpur’s ‘Little India’. The ministry’s deputy minister, Datuk M. Saravananm had been calling for police to be more proactive in cleaning up the area, as highlighted in our report on July 12. Last December, Saravanan had reiterated the ministry would go all out to eradicate vice activities in Brickfields to rid its infamous red light image. He had said rapid development in the area would see a natural death for vice after its final redevelopment phase this year. Acting on this promise, the ministry and City Hall demolished eight vice dens in Brickfields in a joint operation against brothels.

Checks by The Paper That Cares just 48 hours later revealed the vice activities to be operating as usual, with even two new brothels opened in Jalan Sultan Abdul Samad. On June 10, we reported how Brickfields stubbornly remained a stronghold for immoral activities despite continuous and concerted efforts by the authorities. Three days later, we reported Federal Territories and Urban Wellbeing Minister Datuk Raja Nong Chik Raja Zainal Abidin as saying challenges in Little India’s redevelopment project included non-governmental organisations in Brickfields having different views on how the area should be developed.

***Commentator Response by @pantherking

Imagine if the Indian PM is reading these news concerning Brickfields. He was shown and presented with this so called Little India of Malaysia when he visited Malaysia. This pride of the Malaysian Indian community is also a symbol of the multi-culturalism of Malaysian politics based on tolerance above all else. Imagine his embarrassment now if he finds out that this place is actually a vice-den by night and prostitution and sale of drugs are the number one economic activities after nightfall!! On top of this, our proud police force actually has a hand in perpetuating this problem as some of the Anti-Narcotics officers also make this area their own for the purpose of dealing in drugs to “make ends meet” as if they are not being paid properly by the government for doing their duties.

Doesn’t take a genius to figure out why the Brickfields police department have never been keen to send their guys over to investigate all these illegal activities simply because some of their officers are also working part-time for drugs and vice syndicates!! What a disgrace to the force!! If the PDRM wants more respect from the public they must recognise that the number of rotten apples within their ranks seems to be getting bigger and bigger and that more must be done to throw these rotten apples into the rubbish bin! Submitted by pantherking on Thursday, June 23rd, 2011.

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Response to @pantherking : Unlike you, @pantherking, the police have COMMON SENSE and STREET SMARTS. They are not cloistered in your unreal snooty world of religious or social class selfishness/self-consciousness/discrimination. The lower class expressions of humanity will always have a place and the police being REAL people of the world have the sympathy and appreciation of what diversity and colour (also pulse of life) that such things bring.

You can’t charge in like a Thai police Colonel and start murdering people. In fact look at Pattaya Walking Street and Netherlands’ Organics bars. NEAR PERFECTION for consideration in terms of entertainment capitals, and the police perfect too for their consideration for Brickfields denizens have displayed their exceptional grasp of reality as well – don’t condemn because you don’t understand.

I’d even have a few more alleyways (how does a series of underpasses sound to ya?) built just to ensure the underbelly of KL is that much stronger so that the OVERBELLY (which is what others are and the middle and upper classes strive to be) is able to thrive. Without darkness there can be no concept of light. And this commentator above calls himself Pantherking? More like lily white coloured Mr.Bigglesworth. ‘Kaos’ Jr should also rename himself ‘Order’ Jr. Presence of RLDs and organic psychedelics sales outlets do not even constitute chaos and are quite tepid and sedentary entertainments overall.

Leave our RLDs, organic psychedelics and nightlife venues alone fool! Any independent MPs ready to take up the task of legalisation of RLDs and Organic psychedelics (not synthetics due to the ‘permanent damage’ effect, while organics are much like alcohol perhaps less damaging than alcohol as well) at least? The Malay Mail though is correct in condemning heroin as this is a concentrated form of Opium (an organic psychedelic) that is as dangerous as synthetics.

Opium and Heroin compared by @prospero :

Opium and Heroine are definitely different, but I think Opium is SO much better. Though the feel-good effect of heroin may be stronger, there’s so much going on with Opium – psychedelic dreams while you’re still awake, the feeling that time, your brain, and in fact the whole world has stopped, subtle but very strange and uniquehallucinations, the list goes on.

The insular oppressives, weak and narrow minded are the ones disturbing ‘the peace’. These are NOT social ills. They are adult entertainments and a Human Right, though not favoured or used by all, but still must be given a place simply because these exist by ‘Gods’ will. Leave the Red Light District or Organic psychedelics district alone, or better yet LEGALISE it. Or will someone need to step forward to take over where the current MP has failed?

Nurul (an ‘Adult Services Unfriendly’ product of political nepotism in PKR – Pakatan Rakyat has 50% unvotable MPs and Assemblymen due to nepotism, don’t you the ordinary citizen defer to them or be too lazy to challenge NEPOTISM and OLIGARCHY) is VERY selfish to people who entertain themselves with these psychedelics and games. You don’t use the services and games, fine. But some of us do use or at least appreciate diversity, so don’t just dismiss lightly what people want to do and think only about your own (Muslim) preferences and condemn the police who know the difference that you do not. We hate selfish inward looking people who want to prevent others having fun.

While at it, legalise mahjong, domino, dice, and card casinos to a reasonable degree in proper places to. These casino games should not be considered ILLEGAL but a non-Muslim entertainment as well. It is heart breaking to see these games available ONLY on computer (just so childish), and believe me these computer outlets are EVERYWHERE. just legalise, including the RLDs for adult services. Tabik hormat antara polis dan orang ‘Kongsi’. And Rempits/Minahs, a little more Kamen Rider and a little less Samseng where applicable too. Will that independent MP step forward to challenge the socialised oppression of adult Human Rights?

***Commentary : This comment was not allowed in Malaymail Online Magazine. While a good media option, Malaymail has displayed at this time a censorship of opinions of people differing in opinion of their own. Dictatorship takes many forms. And this trend has just infected Malaymail. Think Voltaire, Malaymail, and reconsider posting my comment. Moral Fundamentalism via censorship of comments is no different from any other extremism or intolerance and discrimination, in this case against Sex Workers and the Adult Industry and it’s Activists and Supporters. Zone and legalise in appropriate districts.

ARTICLE 2
Prostitution factory in Meru for foreign workers – Monday, 30 January 2012 14:01

A FACTORY building in a small and medium enterprise (SME) industrial area in Meru, near Klang, has become a prostitution den with girls in their teens being used to lure foreign workers in the area.

Dubbed the “prostitution factory” by residents, the den is said to have been in operation for three years, reported Kosmo! Ahad.

The operators, who use closed-circuit TV cameras to scan visitors, have barred local men from entering. The clients are largely from Bangladesh, Nepal, Vietnam and Myanmar, and the women providing them the sexual service are said to be Indonesians.

A Nepalese worker interviewed by the paper said he had been there three times and to his knowledge the place had never been raided by any enforcement authority.

Jay, 25, said he came to know about the place from a friend, adding that customers can only enter the building through the back door and they must give their name and nationality to a guard there.

“We then choose a girl of our liking and the guard, who is Nepalese, would fix a price for her services,” he said, adding the rate depended on the age of the girl and ranges from RM50 to RM100 per session.

Responding to the issue, International Islamic University sociologist Prof Dr Fatimah Daud said many foreigners had left their wives in their homeland to work here and operators of such dens exploit these men who need to have their sexual needs met.

> TWO brothers, aged 13 and 15, shocked residents of Kampung Sealine in Miri, Sarawak, when they were found to be part of a teenage gang that had stolen at least RM30,000 worth of goods in a spate of robberies over the past month.

More shocking, the younger boy said they were taught to steal by their elder brother, aged 18, who is said to be the group’s mastermind, reported Metro Ahad.

The two young boys were caught when they attempted to break into a neighbour’s house at about 1.30pm on Saturday.

Their arrests led police to pick up four other gang members as well as a 34-year-old Indonesian man who allegedly bought the stolen goods from them.

-TheStar

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Legalize the whole profession and introduce price controls commensurate to the earnings of the customer. These are men and they need to feel strong and virile to give their best for the work they do here in Malaysia.

How could you deprive such an important and natural source of fun and relaxation for them? Their thoughts will not be on work if they have no outlets for their natural expressions. This is a human rights abuse if anything. Legalize the adult industry via RLD zones, which will also benefit the locals as well.

Exchange on the comments section – still available as of this date from cache . . . Malaymail has removed the page but it is reposted below :

‘Little India’ still big on vice – Submitted by Najiah on Monday, December 27th, 2010 – IKRAM ISMAIL

NEW LOOK, OLD PROBLEMS: Sex trade giving Brickfields a bad name
BRICKFIELDS: Residents and business owners in ‘Little India’ feel the government should do more to make the place vice-free, especially at the red-light area of Jalan Thambipillay. When The Malay Mail checked the area on Nov 23, we saw prostitutes and pimps openly soliciting for customers, many of whom were foreigners.

This was a far cry from the vice-free scenario in late October when Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Razak and his Indian counterpart, Manmohan Singh, visited the area.

Long-time Brickfields resident Goh Ah Moi, 76, said Jalan Thambipillay had been a haven for prostitution since the 1970s.

“The red-light area used to be at Jalan Scott but when the old buildings there made way for redevelopment, the vice activities moved to Jalan Thambipillay,” said Goh, who moved here in 1955 soon after getting married. Her husband passed away in 1987 and she now lives with her daughter.

“In my 55 years here, I have witnessed about 50 vice raids. If the government is serious about restoring the reputation of Brickfields, they should demolish the old buildings in Jalan Thambipillay. It’s as simple as that.” S. Gunasegaran, 51, was ashamed of the sordid image Brickfields had become.

“Last week, when my sister and nephew from Johor Baru visited me, I advised them not to walk along Jalan Thambipillay as they would be approached by prostitutes and pimps,” said Gunasegaran who runs a pub here since 1990. “Tearing down brothels is not effective as the culprits always return. The government should take over the old shoplots and redevelop them into places for legitimate businesses.”

Rahman Hussain, 67, a former Brickfields resident who had since moved to London, England, said the government should eradicate vice activities in the area.

“It can be achieved if the authorities work with residents and property owners,” said Rahman who left Malaysia a quarter century ago.

On July 11, Federal Territories and Urban Wellbeing Deputy Minister, Datuk M. Saravanan, said Brickfields would be “vice-free” by year-end. He said the government wanted to improve the image of Brickfields as KL’s ‘Little India’, adding that the transformation of Brickfields had several stages and the first stage was to relocate hawkers, including illegal ones. In early October, when The Malay Mail accompanied Saravanan on a spot-check to Brickfields, he was repeatedly solicited by prostitutes and pimps.

READ: Vice will be stamped out after Brickfields’ Little India revamp is complete
READ: Minister gets sexual invites during Brickfields visit
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A proper zone in all major cities encompassing a street or few should be designated where the sex workers, pimps (cool hats!) and madams are allowed to solicit. This should not be considered vice as long as participating parties are both consensual and not trafficked or coerced and is an organic way to prevent society from becoming too fragmented by fear of horny men, feminists or broken marriages, even prevent incest. Give the libido it’s proper place. Young (or stingy) men are healthier or happier (a more productive and happier society) with easily available sex (from lower class women of beauty but no upward mobility) and this in fact will prevent false courtships to obtain sex, separate the libidinous from the morbid (or religious), and will mean marriages will be longer lasting and more meaningful when they do occur. For those who have their own religious convictions, to each his own, so for Muslims or certain faith denominations, these will certainly be off limits in their respective communities. And because some people can’t afford to hire (middle class) outcall escorts or want privacy i.e. prefer not to deal with Madams or Pimps, prefer not to share but want to support a dedicated kept mistress (upper class or women at the end of their youth, sometimes with good education to cater for the sensitivities of companionship of the upper classes), or can afford a wife (probably for love, though some for status, education being unimportant especially for poorer but good families), or even a 2nd, 3rd, or 4th wife (should institute for non-Muslims too), the lower end adult services industry will always thrive. While already overcharging (value for money dictates that a blue collar worker’s 8 hours of work is worth far more than 1 session of sex – so don’t get conned young guys, pay no more than 1 third of a day’s work if you are no fool), adult services really should also have a proper designated zone. Posing as a massage parlour or other business is pathetic and speaks volumes about Malaysia’s sex negativity and extreme moral policing. Legislate those Red Light Districts and give better definition to society and thus strengthen the family unit. It’s all too grey and opportunist based as it is now. Liberalise and emancipate, open choices for those inclined, while ensuring everything has a proper space. Adds variety and colour as well. Note : Replace all male terms with female terms and vice versa (or LGBT terms) if so inclined. – Submitted by AgreeToDisagree on Monday, December 27th, 2010.

‘Agreetodisgree’, I honestly respect your disgreement with the definition of free will, especially when u don’t believe Allah in the 1st place. I was just trying to tell u that recognizing vice officially or allowing even 1 of u to tell public that u do it/allowed to do it or even suggesting, is against our culture since we believe that it will lead us to destruction, degradatin of humanity, dishonour of women dignity, our mother/sister/daughter, u and me. Many of my writings have not made here too so u might wan na take it offline tru sedarlah at gmail dot com. – Submitted by muslim on Monday, January 3rd, 2011.

Regulating so that those who do actually participate is not asking ti to be recognized as allowed in Islam. However the non-Muslim community that does use or participate in adult services need regulation to PROTECT them. In this case though, to further assure that Muslims will not come into contact with the adult services industry (as in gambling or pork or alcohol) I further suggest that zoned areas be monitored by non-Muslim non Malay police as well. In fact other than to ensure that unmarried persons (those divorcees, with deceased spouses but not wishing to get married or have emotional commitment again, bachelors or sexually mature teens) and persons with spouses unwilling (we do know that childbirth changes a woman sometimes), or at least spouses who do not mind (and even appreciate the lack of sexual pressure), foreigners from outside Malaysia have access to sexual outlets in a fun a pleasurable environment.

I do not advocate any good family’s women or married women to participate, and bid that only those with :

1) uncertain futures from impoverished backgrounds from the lower social strata without access to expensive educations or limited quota scholarships
2) no family reputation to uphold (i.e. orphans who’s parents treated them as accidents *BUT NOT* ALIENATED children)
3) suffering from uncommon libidos, or conditions such as nyphomania or satyriasis
4) spouses with weak constitutions or constitutions weaker than that of the husband’s or wife’s
5) during late stage pregnancy
6) anyone who so happens to feel most at home in a sexualized environment and wants to make a living of it
7) foreign women from 3rd world countries who intend to remit funds back home to support their families

Everyone else, especially the HAPPILY married (unless unable to cope etc.) should not patronize the Red Light District at all but this cannot be a lw though a divorce on the basis of a husand using sex services is ridiculous. Some husbands need to have sex very ofetn and some wives don’t want to. This is where the sex worker comes in when the husband does not have the money for a few wives but can afford occasional sex worker visits. Destruction of society will not occur, in fact pensions should be mooted for those who have served a number of years, medical checks and even in-area Medical personnel could be assigned to overlook the area. It should not be considered degrading either as it is another form of culture (like fan-idol concerts or sports), though not ‘high culture’ for certain.

It is interesting and diverse, a place to relax NOT anything else as you fear. It is not devilish, it is HUMANISH. As a species, biologically we need to breed, and to prevent overpopulation, such outlets actually keep numbers down while affording a sense of intimacy as well. It is not reasonable to deny anyone, especially a non-Muslim to access intimacy (it is not 100% about sex, quite companionship also) in a public setting, entirely zoned away from Muslims. There would be alot of less frustrated people making society a psychologically (and aura-wise) difficult place.

Personally I am also disinclined to patronage of such places due to social background and personal preference (not like sharing, more into polygamy haha) considerations, but do want others to be able to access for convenience. Yet you will certainly see me there, enjoying the atmosphere, gathering inspiration for literary works, art photography etc.. and not judging or belittling others. It’s all about diversity and holistic governance. People need ‘unmarried’ sex or multiple sex partners or persons who do not demand a relationship to begin with. And this again will be strictly for non-Muslims AND in a cordoned area. Of course there are so many that APPEAR like goats but better in a controlled environment than no outlet at all. They would end up as predators eventually, or waste far too much money travelling outside Malaysia for a simple service and that would have been averted simply with the legalisation of adult services industry and a proper red-light zone.

I can’t imagine how poorer or less emotionally invested Muslims keep their libidos in check or manage to keep all wives happy, but then again to each his own, and in this I think there will be not much difference in society at all, excepting some very wide smiles on some weary faces. This has been a very meaningful discussion, I hope the government (or a future candidate in Brickfields) will take the points in this exchange into consideration to Emancipate the Libidos of non-Muslims in Malaysia. @muslim and all the other pious peoples, we walk separate paths but we can also always be friends and relegate our differences to the separate districts I propose. – Submitted by AgreeToDisagree on Tuesday, January 4th, 2011.

Its getting to be boring here when people turned this column into viva voce for phd examinations or academic, political and religious polemics. this is not the battle ground for semantics or pseudo intellectualism,…… come on…life is too short, lets enjoy a few mugs of toddy and visit brickfield with saravanan….(p/s dont forget to bring yr rm40 for service charge) – Submitted by GOUNDAMANI on Saturday, January 1st, 2011.

That’s the spirit! Life’s too short, but this is best enjoyed when legal. If you run for candidacy in Brickfields, do tell me where your campaign is! Or vice versa haha. Like bulls we will charge . . . come to think of it how about *Bullfighting* in Malaysia eh? Get some matadors over here from Spain! – Submitted by AgreeToDisagree on Tuesday, January 4th, 2011.

Your definition of free will has flaw and is going to lead to destruction of humanity, and most probably not god-given. Allah gave a better definition of free will, for both muslim and not, u and me, faithful or not, ALL MANKIND. He said we are given two path, one lead to wellbeing and the other to destruction/hell. It is about hereafter. Nonetheless, Islam won’t force you to embrace/believe it and never lead to monoculture. But trust me, its teaching is proven historically. It’s already been academically debated in numerous journals/books. So read quran which is easily available in webs and bookstore, to both muslim and not, u and me, EVERYONE. Then u may learn to give muslims the space, and not try to suggest to encroach our life. Islam doesn’t force u to repent and read quran, it’ just my advise as a preacher/da’e. Please also have respect to > 50% of pop here, to official religion. Your suggestion is disrespectful. -sedarlah di gmail titik com – Submitted by muslim on Wednesday, December 29th, 2010.

hi @muslim,

Well Allah’s view on free will was relevant to the culture the Prophet came from, and indeed under those desert conditions without much technology, it very well could lead to destruction of humanity. Outside of that region and environment of course the situation would certainly be different that is why non-Muslims developed very different cultures being in different environments. Two path, one lead to wellbeing and the other to destruction/hell could be applicable to some, depending on the moderation in usage for what is considered haram to Muslims. Some people however do have their weaknesses and being non-Muslim are not bound to follow Hadiths as well.

Teaching may have been proven historically, but conditions are different, cultures are different. It’s already been academically debated in numerous journals/books but always in the context of Arabian and Islamic culture and not the rest of the world. That is why it may not apply to everyone everywhere else.

@muslim said : Then I may learn to give muslims the space, and not try to suggest to encroach our life. Well in every instance I have advocated keeping anything haram away from Muslims and in consideration of naturalised migrants, evven as some Malays have gone to any foreign country still practice their faith., Also that Islam itself was imported from the Middle East and subsumed Nusantaran Animism, what I suggest will not encroach on Muslims at all because only non-Muslims wil have access?

@muslim said : Islam doesn’t force u to repent and read quran, it’ just my advise as a preacher/da’e.

Thank you for keeping me informed on this choice which is also your duty. Proselytizing is best done on invitation though. Please also have respect to > 50% of pop here, to official religion.

The mention of population percentage defeats the principle of free will for those who are not Muslims, especially if they do not intend to encroach and have taken all reasonable measures to keep the 2 differing and incompatible worlds separate. To keep everything separate and disallowing Muslims into the ‘Haram’ Zones should be enough. It will in no way encroach and as the lands of the world belongs to all men after all, it would be wrong to deprive any entertainments deemed haram to non-Muslims who are not bound by the Hadiths correct?

@muslim said : Your suggestion is disrespectful. -sedarlah di gmail titik com

There was none intended, and the point was to access anything considered Haram in a manner away from Muslims. To have access to what non-Muslim cultures consider as just another facet of the diversity of life is a Human Right of any who are not Muslim. This exercise of this right should not be considered disrespectful especially if care is taken to keep such things away from Muslims. Please do not say non-Muslims are disrespectful when they exercise their rights of God given free will, also do not resent them if their actions are Haram or different from as the Quran advises. They have nothing against Islam and are not bound by Hadiths as they are not Muslims. I also resent the disrespect implied in calling me disrespectful. PC is so lacking in some faiths and cultures.

Think of my suggestion as a very large private home with internal roads (much like Genting or even those little 4D shops or places of worship where much runs counter to Islamic practice. Privacy of an owner is respected in Islam, what the non-Muslim people do in their home is their business.

We walk a different path and bear you no hatred and pay no heed to any differences and preference that neither should impose, in the interest of neutral shared Earth, and God given free will, do bear us no hatred too as we carry on separate lives. I think that you know that disrespect is not my intention, so try to reconcile the differences between choice of lifestyles if you can and don’t bother about how differently we feel about the world, we can’t understand how to live such a strict life either and thanks for thoughtful reply, best wishes on your seeking of closeness to Allah too.

Malaymail, I posted this comment but did it see it posting, so here it is again, just in case it somehow did not appear or was removed by another less open minded moderator for whatever reason. – Submitted by AgreeToDisagree on Thursday, December 30th, 2010.

I was a little bit concerned too about the perception and particular remark to your earlier post. Well, thanks for taking the time to fill in this extention. About Censorship of POSTs, it exist and Big Brother is watching irrespective of Editorial bias. They know where you are the moment you log in to this site. This information is easily available thru etc etc including coercion of Malay Mail. So, be aware. – Submitted by Anonymous on Friday, December 31st, 2010.

@Anon (aka Malaymail?) Thank you for giving a clear picture on this and I empathise with the immense pressure you must feel though the conversations we are posting here are badly needed for cross civilisational understanding. All parties could gather that these same issues could very well be brought up in Parliament some time too, not out of personal immorality but as an exercise of democratic principles that really must not be seen as an incursion on our more spartan and serious god seeking fellow citizens.

Those recent raids on 31st are quite inconsiderate. Where are all the bachelor(ettes)s, ex-pats and foreign workers going to get some New Year’s ‘fun’?

The sense of entitlement to what ‘God/Allah’ has given the religious among us, needs to be tempered with recognition that ‘God/Allah’ has also given the supposedly faithless or those of different faith – free will. Man is no angel and should not be required to live as an angel – this is Earth, not Heaven. Those who have decided to follow any Prophet or other faith system, also have the choice to do so follow of course, but that does not mean others have to follow either. Perhaps use of religion an attempt to oppress even as APARTHEID itself is used to drive naturalised citizens of different ethnicity? That is in fact ‘Kiasu’ and ‘Kiabo’ Singapore type behaviour. This preacher of course may have had little time or need to consider the wider context of application of religion, he does sound like hes from a different world, which does also contribute to diversity, but has forgotten about the non-Muslims and their right to free will! I hope he likes the continuation of my post below.

@muslim,

. . . and most probably not god-given . . . very human and not of god for certain yes. But human beings are not angels and could never live as angels. While Muslims would try to be angels, the Quran also acknowledges the rights of non-Muslims to non-Muslim expressions like alcohol or pork or gambling. This enclosed system is much like an alcohol pub or food outlet selling pork or a hotel that caters to non-Muslim couples, an zone dedicated adult services industry would hardly be felt by Muslims at all. This would be the best way to prevent strife between differing expressions and of course assimilate Singapore via my 13 point plan as well. It is not about sequestration of land or wealth per se, but the principle of free will and democracy as applicable across the world and the desire for inclusion of Muslims in diverse societies.

I hope @muslim will consider it as ensuring free will of mankind rather than anything else. Punishment as mentioned would be by God and not by Man. Abiding by the Hadiths are the responsibilities of Muslims and Angels, not non-Muslims much less non-Muslims not of Islamic faith.

Pleasure is a human right after all, so look out for an outspoken candidate on the legality of adult industry for international zones issue, I think City Hall has just killed a large voting bloc that should pave the way for an independent candidate if the open minded among voters would consider a Little Haadyai for Emancipation of the Libido, and who knows, even a Little Netherlands for Organics – but only for non-Muslims though! Make space for everyone! – Submitted by AgreeToDisagree on Friday, December 31st, 2010.

soon Brickfields will turn into Bang Cock.. – Submitted by Rayan Ka Goling on Wednesday, December 29th, 2010.

No! No! No!…its Bang Syok…..Bricfield will one day possibly become National STD centre, National HIV centre – Submitted by GOUNDAMANI on Thursday, December 30th, 2010.

I think the proposed solution of sending all the pimps and the prostitutes to Pulau B*** etc is ticklish and short-sighted besides being easier said than done . It is like saying the same things about drug traffickers and drug addicts, just banish them to an isolated island, solve the problem. How simplistic a thought. I agree to some extent with AgreeToDisagree. Everyone has a space in this planet and so long as society can work out ways to accommodate and regulate them so that no great social upheavals could develop, it is not too bad. There are certain men who visit prostitutes and these are people who suffer certain personality disorders like wanting to control, laden with emotional rage or having an abnormal urge due to their hormonal imbalance. It’s like an addiction. Just try telling a drug addict that God is angry whenever he takes drug, it’s like asking a hardcore smoker to stop smoking! So you want all these people to be banished? Have treatment,counselling,courses,seminars by all means but simply banishing people without proper legal recourse is going the path of an uncivilised society. For the high and mighty among us, do pray that you do not develop a growth in your brain making you a sex-addict or an uncontrollable social misfit to be trampled, despised and punished by “normal” members of your society. – Submitted by anonymous on Wednesday, December 29th, 2010.

agree to disagree,thanks for your long long seedless comments. suggest you play golf with one HOLE,you can feel the different. – Submitted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 29th, 2010.

“Wish Unto Others As You Do Others Wish Unto You.” – Submitted by AgreeToDisagree on Wednesday, December 29th, 2010.

willing buyer & willing seller………vice versa. enforcement is important,also public info to the relevant authority….. – Submitted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 28th, 2010.

Prostitution, especially male is well known among the muslim countries. Simply, using religion to claim prostitution is not very intelligent argument. NO religion allows or condones Prostitution, yet it flourishes among the most conservative religioous societies. The bottom line is prostitution flourishes where there is poverty. Eradicate poverty and support more enlightened societal roles, prostitution with be challenged when there is less human suffering and misery and degradation of women. Respect the women as equal partners, then there is less chance of prostitution taking hold. Exploitation of men and women should be outlawed, and gangs attacked with laws in place to challenge them daily and reduce opportunities for soliciting along the streets and roads. In otherwords effective policing by both the community and police and samaritarians,should uplift the society morals and will to ensure the good prevails. Reading religion on its own will only produce a group of religious bigots who will be bent on creating intolerance in the society. – Submitted by EthnicMalaysian on Tuesday, December 28th, 2010.

how to stop people from screwing? it is like bolt and nut, let them be. no religion allowed prostitution. thats why adam was kicked out from heaven because of ‘forbidden food’. sometimes ‘haram food’ taste better from ‘halal food’. those who go there are adult not a child. even muslim men with more than 1 wife go there. you know why? that ‘thing’ if you look carefully is ugly but the temptation is unbearable. let them be, let it be. – Submitted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 28th, 2010.

‘Agreetodisagree’, we muslims live in obedience of the holy book quran which condemns such vice activities, against allowing it to continue happening. Your religion/faith/believe may allow you to let such practice without control but Allah knows best that those thing will disintegrate humankind, society and family values and men himself. Your theory is therefore absurd. So repent and read islam. – Submitted by muslim on Tuesday, December 28th, 2010.

Because the world, lands wealth and right to exist and express oneself, belongs to ALL MANKIND : Have absolute respect for the diversity of mankind and that can only be shown by ensuring space for EVERYONE and ALL EXPRESSIONS. Some people like halal diets and strict families in strict societies that forbid abortion and prophylactics so they have a right to spaces where lifestyles reflect their preferences. Conversely, some people like pork, alcohol and sex or even euthanasia and abortion or contraceptives, so they also have a right to demand spaces where what they prefer can be accessed as well.

So as free will is God given (and punishments for ‘personal sins’ certainly require an element of conscientious ‘non-proliferation’ especially to protect religious sensitivities), no man may forcibly impose their preferred lifestyle upon any other human being if their culture or faith or lifestyle is different, especially by force of arms or threat of jail terms and sentences which in fact oppress self determinism.

This can be as simple as placing a wall or enclosed area (google – Boy’s Town, Nuevo Laredo for an idea) so that Muslims will not have cause for concern and expand the size on when necessary. Even post religious police at entrances or exits to make sure that no Muslims enter properly zoned Red Light Districts. From what I know, Islam applies to Muslims only and not non-Muslims, so any non-Muslims are free to live their own lifestyle. Of course to be principled in approach as regards to God given free will, care should be taken by both different lifestyle sides, to not encroach or sequester unnecessarily  space for others to live their preferred lifestyles as well.

Well about repenting and reading Islam, it is rather invasive and disrespectful to challenge free will given by God, so do know that to proselytize to those of other faiths that are non-Muslim, no faiths, or lifestyle preferences, will only result in resentment and monoculture. Monoculture while convenient for the lazy minded and/or insular, creates and attenuates cultural diversity and in the comparative context of the natural bio-diversity, is necessary for social ecology to thrive with the most popular of diverse forms being the most populous. Let the your fellow human choose their own preferred lifestyle.

A real Muslim is one who joins Islam by choice, not out of social pressure, economic benefits, inculpation in childhood or simple cultural aggression or being weak willed or im[poverished that they cannot resist domination by another who willingly and in an unprincipled manner takes advantage of such weaknesses (being young and unable to form an opinion is a weakness if any) to proselytize and convert. It does not count unless that person is fully conscious and does not fall into any of the above criteria for conversion. To ensure world peace, no person should feel a greater sense of entitlement by being of a certain faith denomination, even non-faith, or wish to impose their values or faith on any other, for the very essence of the flaws as mentioned in previous paragraph in any conversion would render the convert a false convert, in this case a false Muslim.

As for eating of haram foods like alcohol and pork, or haram trade like adult industry, banking and usury, these are personal sins of Muslims and not even applicable to non-Muslims. All such acts not of the nature or intent of war against any faith and done in isolation without any link to Islam should be permitted to other faiths.

If there will be punishment in the afterlife for any actions, then to punish in this life would be ‘Spiritual Subjudice’, even more so against non-Muslims. Do not take upon yourself what is tasked to the devils tasked to punishment of sinners or you will bring hell to Earth.

As for “The solution is to get rid of pimps and prostitutes by sending them to Pulau Babi or to an isolated island with 24 hours security.” may the one who suggested this take a course on Democracy 101, Civilisation 101 or Ethics 101. This suggestion promotes rule of mob, force of arms or a violence based solution not considering the rights of fellow equals. What is wrong with you?

As for @EthnicMalaysia’s economic based view, that too is inaccurate. It is a matter as much of economics as activism on Sex Positivity, or in some cases persons with exceptional libidos that do feel the need to enter the trade at any level to both indulge themselves and or service those with no immediate access or inability to commit resources (emotional or financial) to marriage. It’s not all materialism based, and to that materialism issue, again all citizens could NOT allow Prostitution to consume society organically. How? By paying any sex worker for an unskilled service with no real innate value, no more than what a fully trained and 60-200K invested degree holder might get. Most degree holders themselves do retire slightly into the upper middle (200-500K asset) or lower upper wealth (500K-1.5M) stature at most. Should a sex worker get the same to even begin with? An insult to the truly productive people of a nation and those who got into debt taking study loans, studied so hard and paid so much for their degrees, struggled to office everyday! Of course it is also arguable that education at tertiary level should be free as well, but that will be discussed again if our MPs can rubberstamp it into reality which would truly cut out all those who are merely interested in the financial aspect of adult industry than Sex Positivity activism or emancipation of libidos per se.

To ensure society remains productive, all a sex worker deserves is a comfortable and modest retirement, so pay accordingly (i.e. no more than 1/3rd of a blue collar shift worker’s salary), otherwise society will collapse with everyone becoming sex workers out of sheer greed. That way, only those particularly inclined (i.e. libidos or suitable background – tell the next VIP’s daughter putting out at the club or looking to be a mistress to take a hike or get married simply cos you respect the VIP and society’s stability) to that sort of thing will join and thus maintain the integrity of society. Socio-sexual ethics 101.

So think in terms of Multifaith-Multiracial conditions, if a Muslim and non-Muslim were the last persons on the world, could either honestly force another or berate another into joining or leaving a religion? Hence free will which humans have as opposed to angels who do not. We who are non-Muslim have rights to out own space and expression, even as Muslims have a right to their own practices which run counter to non-Muslims. By these facts, all it takes is awareness of social structure, and a simple wall and proper buffers or sensible zoning to end all strife and allow all expressions. Unlike some people, please take consideration in my posts so that oppression does not occur and common sense prevails.

A compilation of a study of sorts from various articles could be available in print sometime, maybe discussed and edited by reasoned and esteemed proponents as Datuk Khaw Boon Pin or Dr Choong Sim Poey (if they are so inclined to participate) as well. Any others are also invited to give viewpoints on this “Socio-Sexual Ethics Study” if interested. And yet lets all understand that Hudud for consenting Muslims also represent diversity as well and is something I will certainly promote as well! Live and let live. There really is space for all on this planet. – Submitted by AgreetoDisagree on Tuesday, December 28th, 2010.

i think this posting by Agreeto disagree is stupid and nonsensical. The solution (instead) is to get rid of pimps and prostitutes by sending them to Pulau Babi or to an isolated island with 24 hours security. Here they all will have to undergo a 3 year Moral course to teach them how to behave and to do good to society. Later they will have to work in legally jobs and pay back the cost to the government for the lessons they learnt while in the isolated island. This will make others- pimps and prostitutes to stopr this stupid oldest trade in the world. Also foreign prostitutes should be jailed for a year. Then deportation. It will be a lesson to others not to indulge in such trade. Those pimps will have to be put behind bars and go for mandatory 3 years Moral course. As for those who patronised prostitutes, they too will have to pay for the course for a 6 months period. In this way in 5 years time the question of pimp or prostitutes will be a thing of the past. Law enforcement must be clean of corruption in order for this methodology to work. – Submitted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 28th, 2010.

There is some merit to AgreeToDisagree’s point of view. It may also reduce unwanted and abandoned newborns. Maybe we should study how, again, Singapore addressed the issue. It was trial and error then. When all the illegal activities were clamped down, rape and indecent assault cases propped up. Un-planned pregnancies too. No kidding. – Submitted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 28th, 2010.

This is such an emasculated country. Won’t let you hire partners to play with the fleshy guns that nature gave you, and no 2nd Amendment Rights for metallic weapon guns either. Fireworks are also illegal. No popping at all. Just lots of political ‘pooping‘. Oppressive. Meanwhile REAL men are having fun all-ways, and always, in Europe or parts of Asia and in the Middle East little kids carry AKs and Stingers or mounted weapons on their cars like warriors. Try a simple rifle based Safari for domesticated food animals and instant barbecue maybe?

These are Human Rights (so long as people don’t kill each other, if a kid can tell the difference, adults with everything to lose sure as hell should not be disallowed . . . ), so please legislate appropriately rather than oppress. Any legal panel read to take up these challenging issues? Start with the RLD and organic psychedelics ones first . . . that I believe is very close to 50% of the population (the male 50%) and voters at least . . .

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Hard times drive local women to vice Monday, January 30, 2012 – 22:22 by Aizat Sharif

FROM DESTITUTION TO PROSTITUTION – Mohd Bakri Zinin revealed figures showing an increase in the number of local women busted for vice last year. Pic: Arif Kartono

KUALA LUMPUR: Financial difficulties and the lure of easy money. These are the top two reasons why Malaysian women are turning to prostitution.

Police yesterday revealed figures which showed an increase in the number of local women busted for providing sexual services to customers last year. Federal Criminal Investigations Department director Datuk Seri Mohd Bakri Zinin said the trend is worrying and advised women not to be easily duped into such activities.

“Last year, a total of 1,801 local women were picked up for prostitution. This is 741 women more than 1,060 local women nabbed in 2010,” He said out of the figure, more Malays were nabbed for vice, from 213 in 2010 to 377 last year compared to Chinese (from 333 to 420) and Indians (from 84 to 151).  Checks by the Anti-Vice, Gaming and Secret Society Division showed most of the local prostitutes came from poor and broken families. “Financial hardship was believed to have forced them into participating in the illegal activity.

“There are those, especially the younger ones, who can’t resist the lucrative pay promised by these syndicates. Some were taken in by peer pressure after seeing their friends living luxuriously, driving flashy cars and staying in luxury houses. “At the same time, there are also those who claimed to have been abandoned by their partners. Without any steady income and support, they turn to prostitution in order to feed their children, pay off debts and to survive living in the city,” he said.

Meanwhile, on foreign prostitution activities, Mohd Bakri said China nationals were the most number of people caught last year, totalling 5,922, followed by those from Vietnam (2,169), Thailand (1,492), Indonesia (1,208), the Philippines (750), Myanmar (112), India (67), Cambodia (36), Bangladesh (34), Laos (14), Uzbekistan (12), Nigeria (eight), Uganda (four), and Austria and Taiwan (one each).

“There is a slight drop of arrest involving foreign prostitutes last year from 11, 919 in 2010 to 11,832 last year,” he said, adding that police would not compromise in combating vice activities, human trafficking and gambling, and would continue to conduct raids and arrests from time to time

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Non-Muslim prostitutes have the right to sex work. And Muslims are rightfully forbidden from visiting these non-Muslim prostitutes as well as non-Muslims may be fined and punished for entertaining Muslims. The law needs to be changed to reflect this and to be fair to the non-Muslim citizens who do visit brothels or sex workers when they need to.

” . . . after seeing their friends living luxuriously, driving flashy cars and staying in luxury houses . . . ”

The above types are the blood diamonds of the lot, no ethical John would want to use their services. It is best that the greedy or the financially compromised or the coerced among prostitutes should not be patronized. It is not too difficult to get a sense of who is viable based on this criteria. Broken family types who turn to pleasure and giving joy since they were so miserable are the only ethical choice – there is empathy between those who have a surfeit of companionship and those from the appropriate background and inclination. Those who do so out of an elektra complex or incenst or abused and ran away are being taken advantage of and should be counselled instead.

The worst of course are those who do it despite being wealthy. Greedy! Though insecure is not as bad. Too wealthy to be a prostitute – there is such a thing as reverse economic snobbery that the poor can very well apply! The irony. These trolls, being vastly wealthier than the customers in some cases (the most off putting thing ever is a prostitute driving a luxury car, or a prostitute that drives at all! Mistresses though, I have no comment, though legalize polygamous marriages for non-Muslims, Mistresses exist because there is no requirement for VVIPs to commit – at least allow them the option though do not enforce, not Muslims in either case so use civil laws . . . ), makes sex with these characters a losing proposition for the customers, spirit wise that is.

There is a very fine balance to who can and cannot, in too many cases most are too far manipulated, or simply too victimised. In general though many others settle down after they get married, so the issue is not as serious excepting that the law offers no protection and the prostitutes have no recognized trade union and too many are overcome with greed and destroy the men who patronise them by being too expensive.

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Hemp is bursting out all over! Friday, 08 July 2011 02:04 Acharya S Contributing Writers – Acharya S

In a world where bad news floods us, it’s just so great to see all the positive moves toward hemp legalization and cultivation, not only in the United States but also in various other places globally. Many countries, such as Hungary, France and Canada, have been years ahead of the U.S. in sensibly recognizing the value in growing the hemp plant for a wide variety of purposes, from fiber to oil to seed. Before I continue, however, I must make the usual disclaimer that by hemp, which comes from the cannabis genus but which contains insignificant amounts of the psychoactive chemical THC, I am not referring here to medical marijuana, which itself has merits on its own.

In any event, along with the burgeoning medical marijuana industry, the cultivation of hemp as a major resource and economy saver is likewise receiving a great deal of positive attention nationally, and it appears that the state of California is just a hair’s breadth away from passing the Industrial Hemp Farming Act or SB 676, introduced by Senator Mark Leno in February.

As a one-time denizen of Southern California who worked passionately as a hemp activist for a number of years, including faxing hemp information sheets to numerous law offices in the area, among other activities, I am delighted to see industrial hemp blooming into a potentially rich future harvest.

In 1994, I stood up at a Jerry-Brown-for-President press conference in Los Angeles and asked Brown – who was standing just a few feet away – whether or not it was time to look hemp as a means to solve many of the world’s resource problems. I’m told there’s a video of the exchange somewhere on Youtube.

Brown is now the governor of California, and I’d like to hope I planted a little hempseed, especially since he’s previously made unsupportive statements about the subject.

Go, California! Hemp could TRULY help revitalize the economy. Are you listening, Governor Brown? (And Feds?)

“Support for hemp farming and manufacturing in California has been very strong.”

Thanks also to the incomparable Jack Herer, RIP, whom I met a number of times and who inspired me to raise the issue with Jerry Brown.

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SACRAMENTO, Calif., July 7, 2011 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ — Introduced by Senator Mark Leno earlier this year, SB 676, the Industrial Hemp Farming Act is moving quickly through the California Legislature. SB 676 would create an 8-year pilot program to allow industrial hemp farming in five California counties, Kern, Kings, Imperial, San Joaquin and Yolo. Passing through the Assembly Committee on Agriculture last week with a 6-0 vote, leading hemp advocacy organization, Vote Hemp, expects the bill to reach the Governor’s desk this September.

The bill has the endorsement of the UFCW, the Imperial County Farm Bureau, California Certified Organic Growers and other leading farming organizations. Dan Rush, UFCW  5 Statewide Special Operations Director, stated, “UFCW enthusiastically supports SB 676 because we see it as a jobs and revenue generator at a time when they are sorely needed in California.”…

“Support for hemp farming and manufacturing in California has been very strong. It is passing through committee after committee with a positive reception. We expect this bill to be on its way to the Governor’s desk by early September. Governor Brown will then have 30 days to act on the bill,” explains Patrick Goggin, California Legal Counsel for Vote Hemp.

The bill clarifies that industrial hemp is separate and distinct from forms of Cannabis used to produce marijuana and if passed will allow commercial farming of industrial hemp in five counties (Imperial, Kern, Kings, San Joaquin and Yolo) under an 8-year pilot program. Industrial hemp was grown in California up until shortly after World War II. Industrial hemp is the non-psychoactive, low-THC, oilseed and fiber varieties of the Cannabis sativa plant. Hemp has absolutely no value as a recreational drug….

A variety of products made from industrial hemp including healthy food and natural body care products as well as eco-friendly clothing are made in California. “There are over 50 member businesses of the Hemp Industries Association (HIA) that make or sell hemp products in the state of California alone that could benefit from an in-state source of hemp seed, fiber and oil,” says Eric Steenstra, Executive Director of the HIA. “Because of outdated federal and state policies these businesses are forced to import millions of dollars of industrial hemp from Canada, China and Europe.” Companies that manufacture or sell products made with hemp include Dr. Bronner’s Magic Soaps, a California company that manufactures the number-one-selling natural soap in the U.S. as well as best-selling hemp food manufacturers, such as French Meadow Bakery, Living Harvest, Manitoba Harvest, Nature’s Path, Nutiva and Sequel Naturals who make their products from hemp grown in Canada. Major companies such as Ford Motors, Patagonia and The Body Shop also use sustainable hemp seed, fiber and oil.

“Dr. Bronner’s currently purchases twenty tons of hemp oil each year from Canada. We look forward to the day that we can meet our supply needs from hemp produced right here in our home state,” says David Bronner, President of Dr. Bronner’s Magic Soaps of Escondido.

On May 11th, Rep. Ron Paul introduced The Industrial Hemp Farming Act of 2011 (H.R. 1831) in Congress along with 22 co-sponsors including 6 Representatives from California (Farr, McClintock, Miller, Rohrabacher, Stark, Woolsey). If passed, H.R. 1831 will remove federal restrictions on the cultivation of industrial hemp.

To date, 17 states have passed pro-hemp laws or resolutions, including the California Assembly in 1999 when it passed a resolution declaring that “the Legislature should consider action to revise the legal status of industrial hemp to allow for its growth in California as an agricultural and industrial crop…

The Hemp Industries Association (HIA) represents the interests of the hemp industry and encourages the research and development of new hemp products. Vote Hemp is a national, single-issue, non-profit organization dedicated to the acceptance of and a free market for low-THC industrial hemp and to changes in current law to allow U.S. farmers to once again grow this agricultural crop. More information about hemp legislation and the crop’s many uses may be found at http://www.VoteHemp.com and http://www.TheHIA.org.

SOURCE Vote Hemp
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Apart from licensing organic drugs manufacturing businesses for hemp or other organic psychedelics, it is best to not allow monopolies to occur via :

1) Allow growing for own use up to 1000 sq ft per person
2) Controlling Prices (make sales per ounce limited to USD$3)
3) Allowing Storage for own use (3 cubic metres max?)

General Information :

Legalise red light districts so that spillover into Muslim parts of town will not occur. At the same time, adult service business operators should not traffick people (though snakeheading the consensual is an entirely different matter), otherwise  crackdowns will be difficult to defend while attempts to legalise and properly zone red light areas will also be affected.

Non-Muslim services from haram food processing, to alcohol to gambling to adult industry should not be affected by Ramadan. Consider a dedicated Nudist Beach or Park or City area if you are up to it. Religion has no injunctions against those who are not members of the faith.

I don’t think during the Prophet’s PBUH time any such commandment was made against non-Muslim ‘Quarters’ of town. Maybe some lesser personages did this before, but one should follow the Prophet not less personages. After all who did Malaikat Jibril visit and talk to. The Prophet or some clergy born generations later?

It’s not the job of anyone to prohibit or punish, Allah did not give anyone the right to punish non-Muslims, even Muslims, for personal sins at least (which in fact include drinking alcohol or eating pork or visiting adult industry venues btw), though later in the afterlife will the offenders be punished.

The Hon. (YB) Chor Chee Heung and the Hon. (YB) Goh Leong San, (also Datuk Khaw Boon Pin or Dato Dr Choong Sim Poey patrons of Penang Heritage Trust) are the ‘alpha male’ parallels of Bung Mokhtar, Ibrahim Ali (pity he’s still racist) and other Obedient Wives Club members (the above mentioned 4 should be made honorary members of the OWC if not form a non-Muslim branch of the same). Men with emancipated minds need places and organisations to match their emancipated . . . well you get the idea, though some might not necessarily indulge though they advocate FREEDOM to live as Voltaire does.

With some effort, polygamy could be extended to the minorities in Malaysia too, and hopefully by efforts of MPs and would-be MPs not yet on the scene legalized Adult Services Industries as well as gambling licenses for non-4D based outlets as well. The issue is zoning and price control so that patrons will not be impoverished should they be inclined to over-indulge.

Luminaries among intelligensia and self determinism who do advocate appropriate spaces for all expressions of humanity, Sir Ahmed Salman Rushdie and the Venerable Sardar Khushwant Singh, could be invited to advise, though once again to remind, all of the above are only relevant to non-Muslims and in urgent need of implementation wherever Dhimmitization or extreme Islam oppress non-Muslims.

3 Articles on Prostitution – posted early December 2011

In Uncategorized on January 15, 2012 at 2:41 pm
ARTICLE 1 Naked female activists call for ‘Euro 2012 without prostitution’ A group of Ukrainian women stripped off for a topless demonstration against the threat of prostitution during Euro 2012. Protesters of women activist group FEMEN Angry: Protesters of women activist group FEMEN demonstrate against prostitution (Picture: REUTERS) Five members of the Femen women’s rights group donned flesh-coloured knickers and tights for the eye-catching protest. They also adorned their underwear with miniature footballs and wore toilet paper around their shins. The organisation believes that Uefa is encouraging the legalisation of prostitution during the 2012 European Championship, which kicks off in June. Spokeswomen Inna Shevchenko has alleged the international football organisation is ‘trying to influence our government’ to make the practice of selling sex legal in time for the competition. Demonstrators at the event carried banners with the slogan ‘Euro 2012 without prostitution’. However, the protest was short lived as police arrived soon after it began, and dragged the women away. Members of the Femen group are known for staging naked protests around Europe. Ms Shevchenko has previously explained the group’s unusual tactic by stating that classic feminism ‘no longer works’. ‘It is, if you excuse me, impotent. But what we do brings the desired effect. That’s why not only Ukraine needs us, but Europe as well. We are planning to take over the world,’ she said.
 
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Rather inconsiderate and unrealistic group, taking the role of sexually liberated women who cynically wish to deny men sex. Subversive c0ckteasers if anything? They obviously while young and suitable for sex work, do not understand the male libido or sho consideration for the male tourists. A “Wo-male” activist group needs to be set up. “Wo-male” should be an all male, naked except for a sock worn over the penis (was going to say penis sheath but that could be too culturally biased unless in a country that does use those), counter protest group demonstrating to encourage prostitution.
ARTICLE 2 (Compilation of excerps from various sources) Price Control Advisory / General Pricing For Prostitutes – Original Article by @AgreeToDisagree – 4th December 2011
Twice or thrice national minimum hourly wage for each trick is typical and a reasonable maximum charge for somethin which is effectively leisure.
‘A prostitute who works 7 days a week charging minimum wage of RM5 to RM15 per trick rather than per hour to earn RM100-300 servicing up to 20 clients per day which amounts to RM3000 per month,’ says a woman’s NGO. ‘However, the prettier ones will cost more (up to 3 times minimum wage) and also the diligent one in an hour can earn as much as 50 after 10 blowjobs or 3 sex sessions at the local glory hole. In general prostitutes manage to earn no more than what a degree holder in senior management does – around 10,000 at most, with as an unwritten rule a full 10% given to madams, pimps or agents, not too much different from property agent’s commissions.’
Most of these women are from poorer Asian countries or lower class families in socially immobile Europe and the Americas. In the Middle East a foreign “wife” on a one to one assignment costs between RM30 for 6 hours and RM100 for 24 hours.
Due to social strata/status issues, and sensitivity about minimum wage for more laborious work, this prevents prostitution and pimping as a profession from proliferating uncontrollably in society. Promotion of formal legalisation of adult industry work is underway in many countries.
Examples of Abuse from lack of Legislation
Sex parties are organised by prostitutes with 4 participants, to large ones with more than 30 participants. The venue is kept secret until the last minute as existing laws tend to be interpreted to disallow even non-Muslims to have sex parties, except at private residences. Once attedees are confirmed, an sms by handphone is sent to participants. The newcomers are made to pay between RM100 to RM300 to attend, and the entrance collection is distributed by the organisers.
With a legalized sex party, there can be no abuse of such entry fees. However due to prohibition era laws in less enlightened societies, sex is a ‘rare commodity’ subject to extraction of bribes to avoid the cumbersome legal system (which states adult service industry services are illegal in Malaysia or that sex work monopolized by such groups), and compounded by the fact that no legal protection exists, it is better to not visit Malaysia or other 3rd world repressive societies due to the backward laws and opportunists or overcharging ‘clubs’ who should be boycotted.
Most people need to have sex, and most people also earn barely enough to buy a home, so until price controls and legalisation occurs, it is best to seek such fun elsewhere and not be taken advantage of financially at least.
Legalize
The government and judiciary need to legalise to address this problem that doubtless plagues any adult with any measure of healthy libido. According to Harian Metro, the services of an Arab woman “social escort” for reach as high as RM500 for the whole day, in Kuala Lumpur. Now think, why would anyone want to waste the cash on such unreasonable fees for what should even be free? Sex workers deserve to earn no more than what a degree holding professional at most – in general this is about 3000 to 10,000 a princely sum considering that no education debt comes with this profession as a premium.
Legalize Prostitution and impose price controls before the greedy people who doubtless ‘feed’ greedy police to ignore their activities, corrupt the morals of the impoverished or greedy. This is the best way to encourage higher values and yet at the same time ensure those who do have the libidos to indulge do not end up frustrated or being overcharged far beyond what is rather enjoyable work.
The only exception is the sale of virginity as seen below : “A student auctions her virginity to pay for a masters degree in Family and Marriage therapy has seen bidding hit £2.5million ($3.7m). Natalie Dylan, 22, claims her offer of a one-night stand has persuaded 10,000 men to bid for sex with her. Last September, when her auction came to light, she had received bids up to £162,000 ($243,000) but since then interest in her has rocketed. The student who has a degree in Women’s Studies insisted she was not demeaning herself.” To demean means to “debase, as in dignity or social standing.” Dignity means “The quality or state of being worthy of esteem or respect.” Or “Inherent nobility and worth.”
This one off fund (much like evading education fees to work in the adult sector, though some are simply inclined to wards this profession like adult star Sasha Grey) especially from impoverished comes at extreme social cost, effectively barring entry and climibing the social ladder which most families from middle classes hope to do some day limited the participation to the poor or the greedy.
Compared against a marriage to a poor or socially low status man and subsequent dependency though, this has become a viable social interaction, though even then those who understand sublimination of poverty into something spiritual itself are yet another dimension in the variety of individuals and variety of self expression which should NEVER be manipulated but allowed full autonomy in decision, usually concurrent with the social and personal expression of the parents as well as the society they come from. Sex work always will carry the stigma of ‘inclusiveness’ and a sense of mass consumerism that upper crust types so detest.
Typically though and legally, from various reports, sales of virginity reach no higher than 5000-8000 local monetary units is small towns, to 20,000 to 50,000 local monetary units in large towns, with the above case an exception that was hyped out of proportion. Sales are usually only reserved for the prettier adolescent aged persons.
ARTICLE 3 Drive-in/Drive-thru sex stalls – Zurich Considering Drive-In Sex Stalls, Making Prostitution More Convenient For Everybody Written By Esteban November 21st, 2011
How many times have you wanted to pick up a hooker on the way home from work, only to have your desire for a quickie thwarted by a lack of motel rooms that rent by the quarter hour? Well, residents of Zurich, Switzerland, may soon have a solution to this common problem. Back on September 14, the city parliament voted in favor of a proposal to erect a new publicly funded prostitution facility outfitted with what they are calling “performance stalls.” Basically, these are drive-in sex rooms that allow customers to be quickly and conveniently “serviced” in (or on, I suppose) their own automobiles. In addition to these sex stalls, the new prostitution facility would include a variety of amenities and services for the McHookers, such as an on-site counseling office. As you might imagine, there has been a great deal of opposition to this plan to build a modern drive-in/drive-thru whore house. However, critics aren’t really opposed to the facility on moral grounds. For the most part, they’re fine with people buying and selling sexual favors. What they don’t like is the “socialist” idea of using public money ($2.8 million) to finance the private economic endeavors of sexual entrepreneurs. As councilor Ruth Anhorn explains, “It is about the oldest profession in society. The taxpayer should not co-finance a bordello.” Opponents have succeeded in calling a referendum on the issue. So now taxpayers themselves will get to decide if they want to spend their money on a public drive-in sex facility. How would you vote?
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Vote aye. How about some pedestrian sex stalls for ‘Walking Streets’ (non car venues) as well? It’s not too different from breastfeeding IMHO as a natural function, and Sex Stalls for pedestrians shouldn’t be too far off – for Red Light Districts and Adult Services Districts at any rate.