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Ideas for A Worldwide Magna Carta 2.0 – original by @AgreeToDisagree – 6th January 2012 AND @RPK’s repost of the “Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen” by Marquis de Lafayette ( 26 August 1789)

In 99%, cost saving, Law, martial culture in society, preventing vested interest, rigth to bear arms, self policing, unprofessional behaviour, War on February 6, 2012 at 9:51 am

1. Abolishment of Forced Military Conscriptions (i.e. without Abstention Clauses, or backed with punitive fines and prison terms)

2. Abolishment of Eminent Domain Powers, ALL private properties – will automatically have an Allodial Title option. Abolishment of invasive municipal by-laws, i.e. no premission is required to build an awning or a staircase or a basement or for additional floors, additional floors can be limited to 3 times height of the typical unit (i.e. to keep density low).

3. Disallowing members of Parliament and Assemblymen and Cabinet, or within any political party or NGO or labour Union from holding a seat or committee post for more than two 4-year terms OR having their children or relatives take up posts they held or to hold parallel posts to prevent blocs of family members forming. Any beyond these terms will be not just benched but expelled the political establishment. This ensures distribution of political power aming citizens.  (i.e. a Minister ignores a death or makes statements that are callous about the death that occured in a district . . . voters in the district can withdraw their vote immediately, with the next most popular candidate-in-waiting for taking over, nationally if enough voters withdraw support for the Minister (instead of collusive MPs), the Minister loses his job.

4. All members of Parliament and Assemblymen and Cabinet must be voted at 66.6% quorums by the entire population at a ‘one-man one-vote’ level appropriate to district, state or national level depending on the seat.

5. A constant state of election where that anyone may change support or withdraw support of their vote, replaces the typical once per 4 year vote. This ensures any abuse of power or bad laws approved will immediately be retaliated against by the voters instead of only 4 years later when irrevocable damage has been done to the economy.

6. Sequestration of maximum wealth and personal assets may not exceed 1000 times average national wage or 20 million in local currency, whichever is lower. Private land sequestration of the wealthy may not exceed 100 times subsistence requirement. Food production business related land use is unlimited.

7. Eye for eye tooth for tooth justice system. Prison contractors or imprisonment paradigm abolished – prison is only for people who imprison.

8. Population is to be maintained at levels (i.e. no immigration or sale of citizenships allowed) where the country is able to feed it’s citizens without import of food. Agriculture must be kept at levels that can feed the current population.

9. Tertiary education may not cost more than 10 times average wage. Medical education being a necessity and to cutr down costs of healing will be free. There must be sufficient educational facilities for all persons.

10. Social welfare. Free Hi Rise Housing of a size of 1000 sqft (Single), 1500 sqft (Couple/married) with additional 500 sq ft for each additional child, is to be provided for all citizens of age. BASIC Staple foods are entirely free and distributed at state funded offices. Landed properties are bought at own cost. By law, developers may not develop properties of sizes smaller than above detailed – sale of basic single units may not exceed average national wage. Developers have to pay the local citizens ‘Loss of Quality of Life’ fees fo every category of density raised in any local community due to high density housing. 30% of any project should be green lung to prevent heat-sink concrete jungles from forming that ultimately harm the environment.

11. All privacy invasive technologies (bugging devices, hidden cameras, smart meters, anything affecting thought or consciousness) are to be licenced, removed from ownership by civilians and may not be sold to civilians. Use to monitor criminals may be done in a transparent manner with records accessible to accountable government registered professionals.

12. Right to ‘negative freedoms’ such as gaming, adult services, organic psychedelics (synthetics are poisonous and cause brain damage and thus are disallowed) where religion does not prohibit AND in suitable districts or enclosed dedicated districts.

13. Right to bear arms and any military vehicles of any type (i.e. it is legal to buy a tank or warship, crew at civilian’s own cost). Weapons, equipment and maintainance of weapons will be at civilian cost. The state will no longer fund a police or a military, EXCEPT where insufficient volunteers and militias occur AND if there is a FORMAL threat of war (the real battle will be fought by the media to maintain peace, warmongers doubtless will try to create conditions where funding of military or police is necessary), a census of volunteer/samaritans/retirees (who will be subject to a psyche check to determine the type of weapons allowed) will be taken daily.

i) The state will however host police and military drills and coordination exercises for volunteering civilians with weapons. Volunteers to uniformed services will NOT receive any pay and will be required to register on a roster and be on time for shifts of 1 hour minimum.

ii) Highest hour volunteers will be given promotions but will still remain unpaid and ENTIRELY self-funded right down to the uniform and medals awarded for any worthy actions (they will pay for their own medals). This will abolish military and police costs, a self policing population will occur. Paramilitaries are also allowed at own cost.

iii) With the savings from removal of uniformed military and police, a welfare state for the elderly, the poor or trhe sick, even for soup kitchens can be funded properly.

iv) Damages arising from firing or weapons in public places . Where weapons may cost too much damage in certain areas or the person in question will not be able to afford damages), weapons may be disallowed (i.e. missile launchers or tanks not allowed in city areas unless the owner can afford to pay for any discharge damages). In the event of loss of life, equal number of livee lost, may be extracted starting with the person firing the weapon (this is a strong deterrent, if anyone dies – the firer must die in turn by the hand of nearest relatives or pardoned if they so choose) tracing relatives in the event of multiple deaths – (i.e. mass killings result in mass retaliations AGAINST the family members of the firer). This is better than jailing at cost to the taxpayer.

Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen Approved by the National Assembly of France, August 26, 1789

(nominally the Magna Carta 2.0 but probably the UNHCR Beta . . . ) Tuesday, 07 February 2012 Super Admin NO HOLDS BARRED Raja Petra Kamarudin

Malaysians in general, Malaysia Today readers included, do not appear to understand the meaning of democracy, equality, freedom, and the rights of man and of the citizens. That is why most look at rights from only one side of the coin. Before you scream about rights and respect of these rights, maybe you can read what was passed in France on 26 August 1789. Then start debating, or else you will appear very shallow and narrow-minded in your views.

The representatives of the French people, organized as a National Assembly, believing that the ignorance, neglect, or contempt of the rights of man are the sole cause of public calamities and of the corruption of governments, have determined to set forth in a solemn declaration the natural, unalienable, and sacred rights of man, in order that this declaration, being constantly before all the members of the Social body, shall remind them continually of their rights and duties; in order that the acts of the legislative power, as well as those of the executive power, may be compared at any moment with the objects and purposes of all political institutions and may thus be more respected, and, lastly, in order that the grievances of the citizens, based hereafter upon simple and incontestable principles, shall tend to the maintenance of the constitution and redound to the happiness of all.

Therefore the National Assembly recognizes and proclaims, in the presence and under the auspices of the Supreme Being, the following rights of man and of the citizen:

Articles:

1    Men are born and remain free and equal in rights. Social distinctions may be founded only upon the general good. [[[ *** No bumi, non-bumi dichotomy ya? *** ]]]

2    The aim of all political association is the preservation of the natural and imprescriptible rights of man. These rights are liberty, property, security, and resistance to oppression.

3    The principle of all sovereignty resides essentially in the nation. No body nor individual may exercise any authority which does not proceed directly from the nation.

5    Liberty consists in the freedom to do everything which injures no one else; hence the exercise of the natural rights of each man has no limits except those which assure to the other members of the society the enjoyment of the same rights. These limits can only be determined by law. [[[ ****This means the humans who are part of the legal fraternity? Note that the LAW is not written in stone and can be changed where required or where obviously flawed or impinging on social freedoms. *** ]]]

6   Law can only prohibit such actions as are hurtful to society. Nothing may be prevented which is not forbidden by law, and no one may be forced to do anything not provided for by law.

7    Law is the expression of the general will. Every citizen has a right to participate personally, or through his representative, in its foundation. It must be the same for all, whether it protects or punishes. All citizens, being equal in the eyes of the law, are equally eligible to all dignities and to all public positions and occupations, according to their abilities, and without distinction except that of their virtues and talents. [[[ *** No bumi, non-bumi dichotomy ya? *** ]]]

8    No person shall be accused, arrested, or imprisoned except in the cases and according to the forms prescribed by law. Any one soliciting, transmitting, executing, or causing to be executed, any arbitrary order, shall be punished. But any citizen summoned or arrested in virtue of the law shall submit without delay, as resistance constitutes an offense. [[[ *** Don’t like this subjugative and accusatory language – submit? How about COOOPERATE. Resistance? People resist all the time. How about SABOTAGE? *** ]]]

9    The law shall provide for such punishments only as are strictly and obviously necessary, and no one shall suffer punishment except it be legally inflicted in virtue of a law passed and promulgated before the commission of the offense.

10    As all persons are held innocent until they shall have been declared guilty, if arrest shall be deemed indispensable, all harshness not essential to the securing of the prisoner’s person shall be severely repressed by law.

11    No one shall be disquieted on account of his opinions, including his religious views, provided their manifestation does not disturb the public order established by law. [[[ *** Facing this everyday . . . surrounded by mob mentality minded peasants. *** ]]]

12    The free communication of ideas and opinions is one of the most precious of the rights of man. Every citizen may, accordingly, speak, write, and print with freedom, but shall be responsible for such abuses of this freedom as shall be defined by law. [[[ *** Who defines? *** ]]]

13    The security of the rights of man and of the citizen requires public military forces. These forces are, therefore, established for the good of all and not for the personal advantage of those to whom they shall be intrusted. [[[ *** Nonsense collusion, read no. 13 of my article above : Magna Carta 2.0 : https://malaysiandemocracy.wordpress.com/2012/02/06/ideas-for-a-worldwide-magna-carta-2-0-by-agreetodisagree-6th-january-2012/*** ]]]

14    A common contribution is essential for the maintenance of the public forces and for the cost of administration. This should be equitably distributed among all the citizens in proportion to their means.

15    All the citizens have a right to decide, either personally or by their representatives, as to the necessity of the public contribution; to grant this freely; to know to what uses it is put; and to fix the proportion, the mode of assessment and of collection and the duration of the taxes. [[[ *** Abolish all taxes for the poor. *** ]]]

16    Society has the right to require of every public agent an account of his administration. [[[ *** Transparency and Right of Information Laws *** ]]]

A society in which the observance of the law is not assured, nor the separation of powers defined, has no constitution at all.

17    Since property is an inviolable and sacred right, no one shall be deprived thereof except where public necessity, legally determined, shall clearly demand it, and then only on condition that the owner shall have been previously and equitably indemnified. [[[ *** The organic version would have Allodial property inviolate so that the contours of the city will be built around the contours of the land owned by citizens See Note 1 until the owner decided to sell the property off without coercion, which is implied AGAINST by the portion on ‘public necessity’ – *every* citizen  is the PUBLIC (no citizens means no public), their privacy and ownership is NECESSITY itself – you’re not shilling for the MRT bunch now are you RPK?) *** ]]]

This document was written by Marquis de Lafayette, with help from his friend and neighbor, American envoy to France, Thomas Jefferson.

[[[ *** RESPONSE *** ]]]

No holds barred eh? Just 1 very big hold RPK, not even in Malaysia or running as a candidate . . . (also RPK’s too damn WHITE . . .   warn to remove this part if any feel lawsuit inclined a$$es begin to itch . . .)

Note 1 : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nail_house

This one’s for Malaysia’s dinosaur politicians :

. . . contrary to what the left’s relativist ideology says, for us, all civilisations are not of the same value”. “Those which defend liberty, equality and fraternity, seem to us superior to those who accept tyranny, the subservience of women, social and ethnic hatred . . . ” Interior Minister Claude Guéant (5th February 2012)

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Local resistance building on Virginia’s eminent domain change – by David Sherfinski – – 24th November 2011

In Uncategorized on January 16, 2012 at 9:14 am
(The Washington Times) A state constitutional amendment to expand Virginia’s eminent domain laws is meeting local resistance, with the city of Alexandria agreeing to contribute as much as $5,000 for a lobbying firm to help fight the legislation. The amendment, sponsored for the 2012 General Assembly session by Delegate Rob Bell, Albemarle Republican, attempts to change the Virginia Constitution by updating a law enacted in 2007 that says private property can be taken only when the public interest dominates the private gain, among other conditions. “The goal is to put [the amendment] into the constitution so that it can’t be tinkered with,” Mr. Bell said. However, the nonpartisan Virginia Municipal League and Democrat-controlled Alexandria City Council oppose the amendment because it provides for property owners to be compensated for “lost profits and lost access”caused by government action. Arlington County also opposes the measure as part of its draft 2012 legislative package. Though the Alexandria council is against the proposed change, members support the 2007 law, said Bernard Caton, the city’s legislative director. He cited as an example a median strip that prevents left turns into a business, resulting in a drop in daily revenue of $1,000 to $800 and potentially leaving taxpayers on the hook for the difference.
 
That Alexandria agreed to provide up to $5,000 for a firm to help lobby against the amendment, though,rankled Mr. Bell. “I think it’s awful that local governments are using local dollars to try to take property from taxpayers,” he said. Newly elected House Majority Whip Jackson H. Miller, Manassas Republican, supports the proposed amendment, saying it is simply a matter of protecting the small property owner against the power of government and large industry. “It doesn’t stop eminent domain for true public use, and that’s what I think is important,” he said. The amendment passed with wide support during the 2011 General Assembly session, with help from Mr. Bell. It cleared the House by a vote of 83-15 and the Senate by a vote of 35-5. But to amend the state constitution, the measure must pass again in the assembly before going to the public as a voter referendum on the 2012 ballot. Despite the broad support, Mr. Bell said, amendment supporters are girding a fight. “We are not taking anything for granted,” he said. © Copyright 2011 The Washington Times, LLC. Click here for reprint permission.
 
 
 
[[[ *** RESPONSE *** ]]]
 
Who are the 83 Congressmen and 35 Senators who voted for this ‘power to state’ rather than ‘power to people’ law? They are UNVOTABLE and represent Feudal era attitudes towards property ownership. Who are the 15 Congressmen and 5 Senators who voted for ‘power to people’? These are the TRUE patriots who would fight the War of Independence all over again. Voters pay attention – and give the 83 and 35 (118 bad politicians) the boot. These 118 bad politicians do not represent American values of an Eminent Domain abuse free society. Meanwhile study Allodial titles as well and make sure that the nexct time you vote, to make sure your Congressman or Senator or Governor makes clear on the above two laws – 1) Abolishment of Eminent Domain laws and 2) Establishment of Allodial Property in law No nation can grow or have a stable community if developers in collusion with the TERM LIMITLESS political oligarchs have the power to shift and kick out any citizen from his property. Vote properly Americans before it become American’t ! Or Amerika.
 
Who knows even Russia and China might have more property rights, those 83 and 35 might well be commie dictators at heart clothed in the sleek corporatism of American values to want to deny such protective measures as in . . . look up on ‘Nail House’ and see how Chinese citizens and Chinese government handles this issue. Their homesteads and estates span 1000s of years.
 
And these 118 politicians cannot abide Allodial rights or removal of Eminent Domain laws? The onus is upon city planners which the taxpayers pay the salaries of to PLAN AHEAD, not uproot and inconvenience existing communities, especially older communities. there is lots of space to build on in the USA, go there and build whatever you want instead (barring nature reserves or other geographically valuable areas etc..). Vote the 118 out! And how many of them have had their 15 minutes (2 terms)? Remove those who want the right (Eminent Domain) to physically remove American citizens from your property – Feudal Style! Forgot all about the Red and Blue Coats, the War of Independence eh? Remove the oppressors of Liberty and Democratic Freedom (barring limitless terms, if the 118 change their minds, no problem – those who do not wany to pudge i.e. abuse power, are promoting a very dangerous trend indeed – American citizens do you know what to do?)!

RAILROADED: Hundreds of historic houses will be flattened or ruined by new high speed train link – by Harry Mount – Last updated at 3:05 AM on 14th January 2012

In Uncategorized on January 14, 2012 at 5:21 pm

There are few English villages more idyllic than Chetwode in Buckinghamshire, just on the Oxfordshire border. The Grade I listed priory church of St Mary and St Nicholas was built from the remains of an Augustinian priory founded in 1245. In its chancel window is England’s oldest heraldic stained glass, showing Henry III’s coat of arms.

In the nave, there’s a plaque to John Betjeman’s father-in-law, Field Marshal Lord Chetwode. In the churchyard, you can’t hear anything apart from the sound of birdsong.

But this week, Transport Secretary Justine Greening confirmed that the HS2 high-speed train line will now go ahead — and once it is up and running, you won’t hear a bird around here for love nor money. Any vicar taking a service in the church will, as the trains pass,  have to bellow out his sermons at the top of his voice.

John Barnes with his home Packington Moor farmhouse near Tamworth close where the proposed HS2 route would run

Christopher and Celia Prideaux’s Doddershall House, in the Buckinghamshire village of Quainton, is under threat from the proposed HS2 rail route

‘This is where the trains will hit 225mph — the noise will be like a Formula One car,’ says Ken Cooper, 67, a chartered surveyor and office developer who lives next door to the church in the Grade II-listed, 17th-century Priory House, 300 yards from the prospective track.

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‘That’s 90 decibels. We came here for the sound of silence. It’s the most wonderful part of the world. We wanted to stay here for ever, and hand the house onto our son, but who’d want to live here when the trains come?’

Ken and his wife Barbara are among hundreds of people whose lives have been destroyed by the prospect of the new line slicing through the heart of England — ‘the Berlin Wall for Britain’, as it’s been dubbed by the campaigning conservation magazine Cornerstone.

The Lower Farm house, in the village of Lower Thorpe, near Banbury, Oxfordshire, is owned by Tania and Russell Parsons and on the route of the HS2 rail line

Dozens of listed buildings like Priory House are due to be demolished, or severely blighted, if HS2 is built.

Thanks to compulsory purchase order legislation, the Government has the power to force through the HS2 line on its chosen route. This allows the Government to buy property or land without the owner’s consent.

Country cottages, Georgian farmhouses, medieval rectories, ancient manor houses . . . in all, 314 listed buildings will be damaged or destroyed by the high-speed train, despite a valiant campaign to save them by the Society for the Protection of Ancient Buildings.

This week, Lord Astor, David Cameron’s stepfather-in-law, who lives not far from the line in Ginge Manor, Oxfordshire, attacked the project. Outside Aylesbury, Lord Rothschild’s venerable Waddesdon Manor will shudder to the sound of the passing trains.

But it’s not just the rich and the grand who will have their historic houses blighted by the railway. At the stroke of a planner’s pen, lifetimes of careful saving, back-breaking renovation and self-sacrifice have been rendered futile.

Those properties which are not actually demolished are likely to see their values plunge. And yet not a soul from the Government warned the victims about the disaster thundering towards them at 225mph.

The Coopers bought Priory House and its surrounding 50 acres in 1989 when the building was in severe disrepair. They spent £350,000 reconstructing this rare architectural gem: a 1655 double-gabled house, refashioned in 1833 with a charming panelled drawing room, and a hall and dining room fitted out with elegant 18th-century fireplaces, cornices and doorcases.

With his own hands, Ken Cooper built a Doric-style temple by the lake, where the priory monks used to keep their carp. An ancient moat runs round the old kitchen garden, only 150 yards from the spot where 18 trains an hour will come roaring through at more than 200mph.

Ken Cooper in front of his home The Priory, which adjoins St Mary and St Nicholas church in Chetwode, Buckinghamshire.

Sally Cakebread at the Savay Farm in Denham

When plans for the route were first mooted two years ago, no one got in touch with the Coopers to tell them their world was to be turned upside down.

‘We heard about it from a neighbour,’ says Barbara Cooper. ‘The authorities never tell you anything.

‘The first our neighbours heard about their home being demolished was when they looked up the route and saw a circle with a cross on their house — meaning it was due to be demolished.

‘When you see the HS2 on telly, they show a normal train. But this won’t be a normal train line. It will be a pair of tracks, 100 yards wide, with no vegetation on either side and high fences to keep deer out.’

Pat Dillon at his home Dunton Hall and Barn in Curdworth, Warwickshire close to which the proposed HS2 route would run

Only homeowners whose houses are to be demolished will get full compensation. Otherwise, they must seek partial compensation for their blighted properties, and they can only do that in 15 years’ time, once the trains are working. Meanwhile, they face years of misery as the line is built.
If none of your land is lost — as is the case with the Coopers — you can claim only for things like vibration, noise and fumes. They cannot claim for the loss of their view, which has remained largely unchanged for 350 years.

‘Yet the value of this house has already been halved,’ says Mrs Cooper. ‘Who’s going to buy it when the trains are here?

Across England — through Buckinghamshire, Northamptonshire and Warwickshire — the message is the same: the Government has ridden roughshod over the property-owning rights of people who have given their lives to their houses.

Gary and Lynn Eastman, both 65, moved to Twyford, Buckinghamshire, in 1987 with their three children. For 25 years, they’ve been renovating the medieval, half-timbered St Mary’s House. The former rectory, which is next to the Grade I-listed Norman church of St Mary’s — is where John Sergeant, the BBC broadcaster and son of the local vicar, grew up.

The original HS2 plans placed the railway 50 metres from the Eastmans’ front door. The new plan puts it 150 metres away, but the line will still be highly visible — and, at 77 decibels, most certainly audible — in a neighbouring field currently used for grazing sheep.

St Mary’s is a rare, Grade II-listed double-hall house — a pair of adjoining medieval buildings which have become one charming family home.

‘When we came here, it was pretty much derelict,’ says Gary Eastman, who has just retired as managing director of a construction company. ‘We’ve done all the building work ourselves, and put our lives into it. And then HS2 came along. It’s an ill-considered vanity project, which will only shave a fraction off journey times.

Sylvia Arnold at her home Woodend Lock Cottage, King’s Bromley in Staffordshire, close to which the proposed HS2 route would run

Jon-Paul Weaverat his Lavernder Hall Farm in Berkswell near Solihull close to which the proposed HS2 route would run

Jon-Paul Weaverat his Lavernder Hall Farm in Berkswell near Solihull close to which the proposed HS2 route would run

‘This is a little rural village, a delightful part of England, and some bright spark comes along and just says, “Let’s run a railway through the village”.

‘HS2 is already casting its shadow here. No one here has been able to sell their house since March 2010 when it was announced.’

‘What’s going to happen when the children in the village school grow up?’ says his wife Lynn. ‘Who’s going to want to bring their children up here?’

‘And they never told us anything about their plans. I first heard about it on the radio. There’s heartache in this village.’

John Freestone with his home Sunflower Farmhouse in the village of Chetwode, Buckinghamshire. The propesed HS2 route would run nearby

Those sentiments are echoed all along the railway line, right into the Buckinghamshire fringes of London. Savay Farm, in Denham Green, is the family home of Sally Cakebread, her mother and her nine-year-old daughter.

A Grade I-listed manor house dating back to the 11th century, it was used by Henry VIII as a hunting lodge. The farm was bought by Sally Cakebread’s father in 1945.
Under the HS2 plans, the Colne Valley Viaduct — a concrete and steel structure some two-and-a-quarter miles long, and 30 metres high, wrapped in power lines and caging — will pass 200 yards from Sally’s garden.

‘I really can’t believe it,’ says Sally. ‘Our home is among the protected houses in Britain, and we can’t even get permission to add a tiny extension. But the Government can run this eyesore past the foot of the garden. If this goes ahead, the view from our house will be awful. England is all about its heritage. If we don’t protect that, what will we have?

‘My daughter is worried she won’t be able to sleep at night, with trains passing every four minutes, and the noise and speed of them will make our windows rattle. ’

The train runs through the heartland shires of the Conservative vote. As I travelled through them this week, I met staunch Tories who said they’d never vote for the party again because they felt so let down. Again and again, those affected talked about ‘betrayal’.

‘We’ve been ignored — it’s almost as if we don’t exist,’ said Shirley Baker, 71, who has lived with her family in the Grade II-listed Dale House in Stoneleigh, Warwickshire, since 1983.

The HS2 line will slice the Bakers’ land in half, with the trains travelling in the shadow of the barn and stables, where they run their horse livery business. The HS2 planner has even redrawn the Bakers’ drive to their house, incorporating a crazy, right-angled blind corner — a death trap for horses and humans.

‘The house will be unliveable in,’ Mrs Baker says. ‘There’s no way we could keep up the business with the trains running right by it.’
Peter Bassano at St John the Baptist church, in Little Missenden, Buckinghamshire

Peter Bassano at St John the Baptist church, in Little Missenden, Buckinghamshire
Shirley and Ken Baker Paul at their home Dalehouse Farmhouse near Stoneleigh, Warwickshire, close to which the proposed HS2 route would run

Shirley and Ken Baker Paul at their home Dalehouse Farmhouse near Stoneleigh, Warwickshire, close to which the proposed HS2 route would run

The Bakers live in the main house, an early 18th-century Georgian farmhouse, with pretty white casement windows, while their daughter Naomi Tailby, 48, lives in the adjoining early 19th-century malthouse, a handsome, higgledy-piggledy building with dormer windows poking through a roof of lichened tiles. The Bakers’ two grandchildren have known no other home.

‘If HS2 comes, we’ll have to leave and the family will have to separate,’ says Naomi. ‘I’ll have to find somewhere rural to run the business, but there’s no compensation for relocating a business, and my parents, because of their age, will have to stay near the town. I see you can’t make national decisions on a family basis, but you’ve got to acknowledge that there is a family basis to these decisions all the same.

‘How can they consider demolishing your business and your livelihood, move three generations of a family, and not contact you? We heard from a neighbouring farmer.’
A protest sign in Wendover, south-west England, over the £17bn ($26.2bn) HS2 new high-speed rail line between London and Birmingham

A protest sign in Wendover, south-west England, over the £17bn ($26.2bn) HS2 new high-speed rail line between London and Birmingham

All along the line, ancient houses are to be demolished or overwhelmed — such as Packington Moor Farm, a fine brick Georgian farmhouse near Tamworth, Staffordshire. For years, the house has been run as a wedding venue, cafe and farm shop by John Barnes and his family.

‘Not only is the house being demolished, but it also cuts the farm in half,’ says Mr Barnes in despair.

‘We only heard about it on the internet, and there was very little interest in our situation when we contacted the authorities.

‘Our whole business will be wiped out. Our wedding and events business and the farmshop will disappear. The family has been here for nigh-on 100 years. I’m the third generation, and my son and daughter are both involved in the business.

‘Now, we’re left in limbo, even though we will definitely be open for the next five years. We’re pretty upset about it all. The real shock came when they moved the  putative route a year ago. It was originally going across my meadowland, and then we heard the line was going straight through the house.’

Also due for demolition is the Grade-II listed, 18th-century Coleshill Hall Farm in Warwickshire, with its medieval moat. The HS2 will run right through the site of the farmhouse and its even older outbuildings. Another slice of history will be lost for ever.

In Curdworth, Warwickshire, the line will run a mere 20 metres from the 17th-century, classical Dunton Hall, once home to Samuel Johnson’s grandparents.

Hartwell House, Buckinghamshire, is a Grade I-listed building, stretching back almost 1,000 years to the reign of Edward the Confessor. Two of the greatest English architects, James Gibbs and James Wyatt, remodelled the building in the 18th century.

A hotel since 1999, and owned by the National Trust since 2008, it generates around £300,000 a year for the Trust. But who will want to stay there once HS2 passes 350 metres to the east of the house?
HS2: The route for the new high-speed rail link between London and Birmingham

HS2: The route for the new high-speed rail link between London and Birmingham

‘We have concerns in terms of the landscape, the visual impact and noise,’ says Claire Graves of the National Trust. ‘There is also the issue of the loss of seclusion and privacy for visitors and guests. Who knows what impact that will have?’

Meanwhile, the Prideaux family and their ancestors have lived at Grade II-listed Doddershall House in Quainton, Buckinghamshire, since it was built in 1520. HS2 will run just 250 yards from the house, destroying a lodge, slicing across the farmyard, and cutting off two private access roads.

‘Not only will we have noise and vibrations, but we will have to drive miles around the line to a new crossing,’ says Christopher Prideaux, 75, a retired banker. ‘That’s one thing in a car but virtually unworkable in a combine harvester.’

Christopher and Celia Prideaux have three children and eight grandchildren who may now never live in the ancestral home. Half a millennium of family history destroyed to chop 20 minutes off a commuter’s journey from Birmingham to London.

As Shirley Baker of condemned Dale House says of the project. ‘It’s not the British way, going through the back door. It’s underhand, immoral and unethical.’
 
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– John, Erehwyna, 14/1/2012 16:53
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See what happens when you give up your guns? Need any? We have plenty here in USA. Sounds like the “commoner” is saying “up the nose” to the “landed gentry” there. Here’s an idea, make the two cities it connects tear down as many row houses as necessary to provide open green spaces, parks with trees in the cities that is equal to what those citizens take from the country. They won’t do it, that would be too much like equality.

– James D, Baltimore, Md, USA, 14/1/2012 16:38
Rating   1

Why dont we be sensible and improve the current rail network. I travel from Manchester to London regurlarly by train and a 30 mins saving in time is insufficient justification to spnd £33 billion. We do we suffer such stupid and inept thinking from our politicians. They make my blood boil at times!!!.

– True Brit, Manchester, 14/1/2012 16:35
Rating   5

… If ordinary, working class and middle class people were in a similar postion, we wouldn’t hear a word about it. – Zak, London, 14/1/2012 16:05 Ordinary, working and middle class people are affected by this. Hundreds of us, all for the sake of pleasing a few rich businessmen who’s country piles and city penthouses won’t be at risk. This will bring nothing to the country but massive debt, the trains are under-used and over-pricey all ready. It will cost every household over £1000 – ask yourself if you get £1,000 worth of use out of travelling from London to Birmingham and the majority of people will say no. Cuts to benefits, hospitals, schools, the NHS, but we can afford this railway? All these people calling us Nimbies because we can’t afford our property prices to plummet, give us your address and let’s route the thing through your garden if you are so in favour.

– Jill, Bucks, 14/1/2012 16:33
Rating   6

Sad, but the country overall will benefit – not to mention the environment, as more people travel by rail. Having lived next to the M3, at least the noise will only be periodic and not a constant drone day-and-night. In any event, as we are talking about 15 years time, it is something that will affect the next generation, who don’t yet live there, than those interviewed.

– Michael, Manchester, 14/1/2012 16:30
Rating   5

Nuts. Should be stopped at all costs. Cultural Heritage is already being destroyed FAR too much.

– J., London, 14/1/2012 16:30
Rating   5

I love the Nimbys, if they had gotten there way in the past we would still be living in caves as to build anything else would have harmed their outlook.

– anon, wilts, 14/1/2012 16:20
Rating   23

Pretty sure they could find a route for the new train line that goes around these villages

– James, Edinburgh, 14/1/2012 16:17
Rating   1

What a disgrace and it’s all towards saving about just 30 minutes off the actual journey and will take15 years to build. I can’t believe this. My heart goes out to those communities affected by this. Does the UK really need this in the light of so many small airports for getting around?

– smokingetna, Sicily, 14/1/2012 16:16
Rating   43

heritage lost is hard to get back

– Stuart, Ottawa, Canada, 14/1/2012 16:16

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Such beautiful and generations old homes! Hey idiot Englishmen. Nail the MPs in that constituency and VOTE ONLY for an MP who will ABOLISH EMINENT DOMAIN POWERS and grant ALLODIAL TITLES. So much for the Inns of Law of England? Not a word from the English Bar Council? Even the heritage families have neglected whats going on in England until this occured. Could someone see if at the heart of this all if the Lord Judges are for ort against and will stand up for the people – indirectly speaking on behalf of the Royal institution? Know your enemies Englishmen . . . (If the worst is confirmed, how about Lord Astor leading a revolt for a new English Dynasty that does grant ALLODIAL TITLES then?) Any connection in this action to that Latvian girl’s body recently found on Royal grounds?

Workshop Operator (Demolished by Power Mad Council) Fails In Bid To Embarrass YB Chief Minister of Penang Guan Eng Thursday, 12 January 2012 06:38

In Uncategorized on January 13, 2012 at 10:35 am

GEORGE TOWN — An operator of a workshop which was allegedly torn down by the Municipal Council of Penang Island failed in his attempt to present a replica of the workshop, a toilet and a bulldozer to Penang Chief Minister Lim Guan Eng on the first anniversary of the alleged incident in Jelutong here.

Mohd Yacoob Mohd Nor, 23, arrived at the lobby of the state government office on the third floor of the Tun Abdul Razak Complex (Komtar) at 2.40 pm, yesterday accompanied by several members of the Penang branch of the Malay right-wing group Perkasa.

Security guards denied them permission to enter the office and they left after waiting for 45 minutes, leaving the items wrapped in red cloth at the counter of the guards.

Mohd Yacoob said he was unhappy with the alleged demolition of his workshop, Mega Xtreme Motor, claiming that he had a licence to operate the facility located on his own land.

“The demolition should not have taken place, and prior notice should have been given,” he told reporters.

He said that following the alleged demolition on Jan 11 last year, he wrote to the council president requesting the reason for its action but said he has yet to receive a reply.

(Bernama)

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DAP has a habit of destroying people’s livelihoods or harrassing people about their property. Though racism and apartheid typify PERKASA, I am on Nor’s side here. It’s his private property and he’s just making a simple living you Gambier Threat, KOMTAR Lockdown, Beachboy harrassing, gas tank confiscating, Condominium staircase trashing political party! Whats wrong with DAP? Mentally ill? Want to control which people are allowed to make a living?

Even if someone was supportive of apartheid and racist (which DAP did not address in any clarity with intent to end so far), a political party cannot invade their property and destroy their livelihood.

Take heart Nor, though most of us equal minded citizens detest you for being associated with PERKASA, we sympathise with what you faced, and this news is already embarrassment in itself. Your bid to embarrass DAP succeeded simply because most people detest such behaviour by political parties, regardless of race, and with the nepotism and limitless term issue, DAP is as bad a guy as PERKASA this day.

A LISTING OF DAP’s Council Abuse Shenanigans (DAP is unviotable! Try 3rd force!)

Illegal structures in a high-end apartment project in Batu Lanchang, Penang, have been removed by the developer.

Chief Minister Lim Guan Eng’s political secretary Ng Wei Aik said an illegally built staircase, which acted as a private entrance to the roof in four of the five penthouse units, had been removed after it was found that it was not in the approved plan by the Penang Municipal Council.

“The door between the staircase and the roof was also removed. The roof terrace has also been demolished.

“Basically they (the developer) are complying with the requirements. The amended building plan has already been submitted and it is pending approval,” he said when contacted on Sunday.

Ng added that he would send an observation report to the council, Jelutong MP Jeff Ooi and State Tourism Development and Culture Committee chairman Danny Law following his visit to the apartment on Friday.

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For every bit of opportunity these DAP guys would act out.

1) Was the staircase a help or hinderance overall?

2) Did the door prevent anyone from accessing the roof?

3) Was the staircase or roof built in an unstable manner that would cause danger?

If the above are all negative in reply, then the creeps should use their discretionary power to APPROVE whatever was built than tear down like the destructive power mad politicians they are.

The Gambier Threat – Mid 2010

Invasive By-Laws Against Sovereignty of Title/Land Owners
http://jeremiahfoo.com/?p=5887&cpage=1#comment-100231

12 people were sacked by DAP by April 2011, and at least another 12 more prior to this, mostly Indian members. If they believe in ending APARTHEID and are willing to sign a contract to support the end of APARTHEID, any independent, even Malay candidates should be voted over power mad and nepotistic DAP.

DID NOT DECLARE ASSETS as promised (however pretend to declare to CM Guan Eng like BN Mps pretend to declare to PM – don’t insult the voters’ intelligence Pakatan . . . )

Failed the EXCO Election Quorum at 0.002% / Failed to Keep Promise of Local Council Elections
http://apanama2020.blogspot.com/2010/11/daps-democracy-in-penang.html

Kampung Buah Pala compensation lies
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Hindraf/message/5703

Sunset Bistro / Sabre Tours Destruction of 49 stalls – Traders plan to sue Teratai assemblyman for demolishing shop lots …
http://mmail.com.my/content/63597-traders-plan-sue-teratai-assemblyman-demolishing-shop-lots

Ronnie Liu sand mining case

300 million (86 billion) sPICE fallout BUNKER

Various spats involving Malicious Compliance against Indian Muslim Traders Association,
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2010/8/9/nation/20100809120725&sec=nation

Effectively ‘Robbing’ Gas Tanks from Small stall owners (this was overseen by Ng Aik Wei)
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/1/14/nation/20110114162244&sec=nation

Watersports Facility owners (this is their Island too, who needs a DAP government that will not amend by-laws, kick them out take power and write your own laws Beach Boys . . . ) Quiet beaches due to water sports ban | theSundaily
http://www.thesundaily.my/news/136408

Sponsorship and support (planning???) of Kitten Killer? Fate will extract the appropriate number of pure hearted kittens slain (as opposed to evil hearted humans) – with interest applied.
http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/2011/03/16/dap-must-apologize-for-defending-kitten-killer/

So many petty minded and nepotistic, self serving law writing abuses. Well simple. Identify those unvotable in DAP and keep voting for those votable or uninvolved in the abuses as highlighted above. About 50% of DAP is unvotable because of limitless terms and nepotism via undemocratic self serving family blocs. Below is a link to a list and considerations that might help. And take note, DO NOT vote plutocrats or racists either.

The structures may not be approved or legal but the discretionary power to benevolently approve something useful is true application of law in spirit rather than in word that DAP has in all above cases refused to use. In this case the manner in which the consideration was applied, amounted to being trigger happy in looking for something to demolish within word and not spirit. DAP fails ! Word of law without spirit of law is simply  abuse of power, display of power madness.