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16 Articles On Malaysian Politics : PAS’s Fundos, Karpal’s Decades Long Complicity in Continuing Apartheid, Captive Mindset of Indians in DAP Caused by Nepotism and Limitless Terms, Best Practices in Election watchdogging, Right to Peaceful Assembly Incomparable to End of Apartheid – Politicians Priorities Wrong, CM’s Race Not The Issue, Najib Still Not Using GE12 Mandate, Spaces For All, MPs not Using Mandate – Too Many Terms And Nepotistic – Abusing Power, RPK Full of Attitude No Real Action On MCLM Front, More Cronies Showing Up in the Racist BN Woodwork, More Inflamatory But Legally Useless Nonsense from The DAP Term-Limitless/Nepotistic Oligarchs, Insincere Malaysia Insults ASEAN Human Rights Charter, More Insecure-Fearful Writings of Malaysian Women, Cynical Crony Programmes Bleed Taxpayers, Cryptoracist Lying To The World, Sri Lanka Case Shows Islamist Bias, Traffic Fining Paradigms Entirely Greed Based, – reposted by @AgreeToDisagree – 25th November 2012

In amendments to law needed, Apartheid, Bad By-Laws, bad laws, best practices, better judgments, Bumiputera Apartheid, criticism, Democracy, democratisation, demogoguery, dhimmi, dhimmitude, domestic terrorists in the political sphere, Ethics, freedom of choice, Freedom of Expression, gender politics, government, insularism, intentional omissions, Invasive Laws, Malaysia, meaningless platitudes, media sabotage, media tricks, misrepresentation of facts, MPs have not declared assets, neglectful functionaries, neo-colonialism, Nepotism, organic psychedelics advocacy, Organic Psychedelics Zone, red light district legalisation, undemocratic, unkept campaign promises, unprofessional behaviour, voting strategy, waste of mandate, women, word of the law, wrong priority on November 24, 2012 at 7:35 pm


Kelantan’s gender segregation rules affect non-Muslim businesses – Friday, 23 November 2012 admin-s

Hanging out: Shoppers standing around outside Nice Hair Salon in KB Mall, Kota Baru.

(The Star) – Hair dressing salon operators are learning the hard way that gender segregation rules in Kelantan apply to non-Muslims as well. They have had to pay many summonses for allowing their female workers to cut the hair of non-Muslim male patrons, which they thought was permissible.

E-Life Hair Salon manager Ong Lee Ting said she had settled 11 summonses since she opened for business in KB Mall in 2010.

Hairy situation: Ong showing one of the 11 summonses she received for allowing her female employees to cut the hair of non-Muslim male patrons.Hairy situation: Ong showing one of the 11 summonses she received for allowing her female employees to cut the hair of non-Muslim male patrons.

The fines were imposed under Section 107(2) of the Local Council Act by-laws which prohibits a woman from cutting the hair of a man and vice versa regardless of religion.

“I have been paying fines of between RM200 and RM350,” said Ong, who was issued the latest summons on Tuesday.

“I find the by-laws confusing … they should not apply to a non-Muslim woman cutting the hair of a non-Muslim man.”

Gender segregation is among the controversial regulations imposed by the PAS state government, which insists that the rule be also observed at supermarket check-outs.

The last time Ong went to the local council office to pay a compound, she was told that the licence for the salon would be revoked because of the many summonses issued to the operator.

However, council secretary Mohd Anis Hussein said: “As long as they (the salon owners) pay the compounds, they will be allowed to operate.”

He added that the salon owners understood the by-laws and the consequences of ignoring them.

Nice Hair Salon manager Alice Ong Lee Ruong was baffled by the rule.

“I would understand it if we were fined for allowing our women workers to cut the hair of Muslim men. But they were attending to non-Muslim men,” she said.

Ong, who had settled 10 summonses so far, wondered for how long she would have to pay fines.

“They are not cheap and we have to consider the high rental, salaries of our workers and other expenses,” she said.

Another salon manager, who declined to be named, said the council by-laws were making life difficult for hair dressers.

She had been issued four summonses so far.

Kelantan MCA information chief Tan Ken Ten said the by-laws were “not friendly” to non-Muslim business circles.

“The council, in its zest to implement Islamic principles in its by-laws, has caused hardship to the non-Muslim business community,” he added.

National PAS Supporters Congress chairman Hu Pang Chaw agreed that the by-laws should not apply to non-Muslim women cutting the hair of non-Muslim men.

He urged the council to review the ruling.


Kelantan’s hair dressing laws unlawful, says Karpal Singh – Saturday, 24 November 2012 Super Admin

(The Star) – The DAP wants the Kelantan government to intervene in the municipal council by-laws prohibiting women from cutting men’s hair in the state.

Chairman Karpal Singh said he was surprised that the state decided to enforce such a ruling on non-Muslims.

“The state government has publicly declared that Islamic laws will not be extended to non-Muslims. PAS has also stated hudud will only be applied to Muslims.

“There’s a lot of concern among the public on what has happened in Kelantan. If hudud is allowed to be applicable to Muslims, there will come (a time that it will) be extended to non-Muslims,” he told a press conference in Air Itam on Saturday.

He was responding to reports that hair salon operators in the PAS-ruled state were being fined for breaching the by-laws which prohibit a woman from cutting the hair of a man and vice versa.

Karpal Singh said the ruling was unconstitutional and could be challenged in court.

“In fact, it should be challenged in court. Those concerned should not pay the fines. It is unlawful.

“I hope that the PAS leadership will intervene and do something about it as soon as possible,” he said adding that Barisan Nasional should not be presented with issues that it can exploit now that the general election is looming.

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Anything and everything BUT ending the APARTHEID of BUMIPUTERA eh? Karpal has become the Hairdressers/Barber’s Association President or State Chinese Association Prsident now? This sort of case is even below the Chinese or Indian Chamber of Commerce or State Chinese Association to address (while in the same breath, we must be aware that the Chinese or Indian Chamber of Commerce, State Chinese Association, probably can’t even talk about the APARTHEID oF BUMIPUTERA because they do not have parliamentary immunity – maybe a provision for them to also be granted parliamentary immunity?) , but somehow Karpal can’t talk about the APARTHEID of BUMIPUTERA in spite of parliamentary immunity so this is a great opportunity to look busy while the minoriites remain second class citizens  . . . look here ‘Karpal’ if you don’t want to put that Parliamentary Immunity to good use, please give up that decades long seat you’re wasting the Rakyats’s mandate on, to somebody who will use the same to try to end the APARTHEID of BUMIPUTERA and lack of :

1) Freedom from Apartheid/Fascism (Article 1 Human Rights Charter)
2) Freedom from Religious-Persecution/Religious-Supremacy. (Article 18 Human Rights Charter)
3) Equality for all ethnicities and faiths in all aspects of policy, Law and Constitution. (Surah An Nisa 4:75)

Is Karpal a REAL lawyer and aware of the responsibility of an MP to the people? Most Malays and Muslims, probably also the Sultans know in their hearts that apartheid is wrong and that technically in Islam the APARTYHEID of BUMIPUTERA is ILLEGAL. Why does Karpal not HONESTLY and legally challenge the racists and Islamists on these facts? Self serving much? Too many family members, too many contracts colluded on? So does the rakyat need this kind of MP or perhaps has karpal and Sons family bloc spent too much time hoodwinking the Rakyat? An MP’s job goes far beyond this hair issue, like for Human Rights Articles 1 and 18 . . . do something useful or MP-like, or GTFO of Dewan!

Mediocre!  And in overall effectiveness, Karpal is but a decades long malingerer on the taxpayer dollar alongside BN’s racism and corrupted worst …


Internal rifts may cost PKR Indian votes – by B Nantha Kumar, FMT – Friday, 23 November 2012 Super Admin

Indian leaders may jump ship if they are not picked as candidates in the coming general election, says a source.

Infighting, backbiting and sabotaging among Indian leaders in PKR could result in the party losing Indian support at the upcoming 13th general election.

The internal rift among these leaders could also play a role in thwarting Pakatan Rakyat’s ambition of taking over the federal government after the polls. The opposition pact is made of PKR, DAP and PAS.

Speaking to FMT, a PKR source admitted that there would be “major party hopping” among Indians in PKR before and after the general election.

Declining to be named, the source said many Indians in the party were waiting for PKR to officially announce its list of Indian candidates to contest under the PKR banner in the coming general election.

“If their names are overlooked as a candidate, then they would jump ship to the Barisan Nasional or quit PKR without joining anyone… they have already made plans to this effect.”

“Unlike PAS and DAP which have a long tradition and faithful members, PKR is a new set-up. Most of its members are from BN component parties. They ran from there to PKR. They ran because they were sidelined in their respective BN component parties. So when the same thing happens here, they would run again,” said the source.

He said the problem among Indian leaders in PKR is “everyone wants a seat to contest”.

“Of course, both Malays and Chinese in PKR also face the same scenario but Indians are the worst,” said the source, who is very close to the party leadership.

He said PKR Indian leaders in their eagerness to win brownie points have also resorted to “attacking” each other in the mainstream media.

Tip of the iceberg

“Some are sending their supporters to Parliament to lobby for seats. For example, I was told that more than 60 candidate profiles have been submitted for the Bukit Melawati state seat in Selangor despite the incumbent M Mutiah declaring interest in defending the seat.

“This is just the tip of the iceberg. The factions in the party are heading for a showdown,” the source said.

He claimed that PKR de facto leader Anwar Ibrahim had often met party Indian leaders to get feedback on ways to boost Indian support for Pakatan, but not much was done on the ground to put the plans into action.

“But, this is not enough to woo Indian votes. The Indian leaders in the party are not united. If they are, then they can put up a strong front and lobby for votes of the community. There are several camps within the party and each camp is pressuring Anwar for seats.

Mukhriz (centre bottom), is not a Pakatan MP, just included to show possible phenotype similarities between politicians who benefited from nepotism if any . . .

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Indian candidates are you idiots? Who needs to pressure Anwar? Any independent candidate can run for any seat without pressuring anyone. The whole idea of a political party is to keep all MPs captive to the supreme council. Podah!


‘Anwar is an attention seeker’ – Friday, 23 November 2012 Super Admin

Several BN leaders are appalled at Opposition Leader Anwar Ibrahim’s attempt to get Australia to observe Malaysia’s general election.

G Vinod, FMT

An MIC leader today chided Opposition Leader Anwar Ibrahim for seeking attention, especially with his call to Australia to observe the coming general election.

MIC vice-president SK Devamany was referring to Anwar’s move to request the Australian government recently to observe the polls, claiming there were a lot of irregularities in the electoral roll.

However, Australia’s Foreign Minister Bob Carr had rejected the former deputy prime minister’s request, saying they cannot and would not influence how Malaysia runs its election.

“It’s very hard for Australia to do anything about how they’re run, as hard as it would be for Malaysia or another government to have a say in how Australian elections are run.

“We’re not the election authority for Malaysia,” Carr was reported as saying.

Election Commission (EC) chairman Abdul Aziz Yusof also criticised Anwar, saying the electoral body had instituted several measures to improve the nation’s election process.

Taking Anwar to task, Devamany said that times have changed and the world community is watching each other’s conduct in the information age.

“No point trying to seek attention from other people. They are watching us all the time,” he said.

As for Anwar’s accusation, the deputy minister said that the Barisan Nasional government is transparent and the former could always voice his grouses to the EC.

“He can always use his position as the opposition leader to get things done. But being the attention seeker he is, Anwar will devise new tactics to keep himself relevant.

“No wonder some Pakatan Rakyat leaders are seeking PAS president Abdul Hadi Awang to become prime minister if the opposition bloc wins the federal polls,” said Devamany.

Risk of being colonised again

Echoing Devamany’s sentiments, People’s Progressive Party (PPP) president M Kayveas said that it was dangerous to get foreign powers to be involved in Malaysia’s election.

He also said that with foreign powers’ aid, the party benefiting from them would be indebted to the former and thus, put Malaysia at risk of being “colonised” again.

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To prevent the colonisation factor, NO foreign government based groups people should to be invited keep tabs on the elections, BUT *ELECTION WATCHDOG GROUPS* from foreign and Australian and other non-Western governments should instead. In fact Australian Elections and other Western nations could do with foreign watchdog groups from other countries ESPECIALLY those not particularly friendly to Australia, to prevent fifth columnists manipulating votes to the favour of their own government. Who knows what collusion goes on between governments these days? Foreign governments cannot monitor without compromising the sovereignty of the monitored state.

Instead, unaffiliated to government/unfunded by government civil society WATCHDOG NGOs favouring opposition would be safest. Anwar thus could be in cahooots with the current majority Australian government with the same feigning disinterest. Now if watchdog groups unfriendly to their respective foreign governments were to be called on as monitors, having nothing to gain, these groups would be the most objective choice. This accusation could be avoided simply by Anwar contacting non-mainstream foreign monitors instead. As for attention seeking, 2 terms as MP limits should put paid to that sort of thing once and for all. For expedience, Anwar could be tolerated for now, but the next great purging of politicians will not be those corrupt, opaque and racist (BN era) but those NEPOTISTIC and TERM LIMITLESS (PR era). This would be true progress then to prevent a Mubarak, Gaddafi or Ali Salleh from forming out of term limitless Anwars and Lim Kit Siangs or whatever groups.


Karpal Singh: Peaceful Assembly Act ultra-vires to Federal Constitution – Saturday, 24 November 2012 Super Admin

(Bernama) – Lawyer Karpal Singh, acting for applicant Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim, told the High Court here Friday that the Peaceful Assembly Act 2012 had completely prohibited the right to assemble, by way of street protest.

The senior lawyer said the provision under Section 4(1)(c) was not intended to “restrict” but more to “prohibit” the right to assemble.

“Any street protest, actually, was a moving assembly and the Act should not completely prohibit it,” contended Karpal by pointing out on the provision of Section 4(1)(c) of the Act, which he argued, was inconsistent and contravened with the provision of Article 10 (1)(b) of the Federal Constitution.

He said the Act defined a street protest as an assembly that was in movement.

“Even Article 10(1)(b) clearly stated that all citizens have the right to assemble peaceably, without arms,” he noted.

He further submitted that the word, ‘restriction’, should be interpreted as reasonable restriction as stated in Article 10, and the constitution was the supreme law of the country.

“Any law passed after Merdeka Day, which is inconsistent with the constitution, should be declared void,” said Karpal, who urged Justice Kamardin Kashim to allow Anwar’s application with costs.

Kamardin set Nov 30, for respondent (prosecution) to reply to the applicant’s submission Friday.

In a related development, Anwar’s co-counsel, Ram Karpal Singh, said if the court ruled in Anwar’s favour, one of the charges under the Peaceful Assembly Act would be dropped, leaving only two charges still pending at the Sessions Court.

Anwar, 64, together with Parti Keadilan Rakyat (PKR) deputy president Mohamed Azmin Ali, 48, and Rembau PKR branch chief Badrul Hisham Shaharin (third accused), 34, were charged last May 22, with taking part in street demonstrations which allegedly led to chaos in the city.

The three also faced a second charge of conniving with Tangam Raju, Rajesh Kumar Gejinder and Farhan Ibrahim, by inciting them to remove steel barricades at Jalan Raja here on the same day.

They are the first to be charged under Section 4(2)(c) of the Peaceful Assembly Act 2012, which carries a fine of up to RM10,000, upon conviction.

Last July 2, the trio were charged with conspiring with Tangam, Rajesh, Farhan and five or more supporters of ‘Gabungan Pilihan Raya Bersih dan Adil (Bersih 3.0)’ to defy a magistrate’s court order dated April 26, against holding a rally at Dataran Merdeka from April 28 until May 1, this year.

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Excuse me. No citizen needs to ‘assemble’ or riot IF our worthless waste of time nepotistic term limitless MPs (Karpal included) make the effort to end Bumiputra Apartheid or are not corrupt. This assembly thing is USELESS and has no weight legally. The wishes of 26 million Malaysians could be stopped by 222 self serving nepotistic and term limitless MPs simply because not enough Malaysians dare to be independents, there is always 3rd Force but even 3rd Force must respect term limits and preferably allow 1-Man-1-Vote systems in ratifying laws or at least ratifying laws on a district by district level.

An MP legally challenging the inequality and apartheid has more weight than 26 million Malaysians illegally marching. Is Karpal a false flag MP? Any and all Malays and other minorities who believe in neutrality and equality by changing the ILLEGAL and DISCRIMINATIVE Constitutional clauses and laws should give term limitless farces like Karpal here the boot. I’d DROP the right to peacefully assembly in exchange for ending APARTHEID and the below 3 items. Now think, which MP is worth voting for. The one who gives you the ‘right to assemble‘ which is the ‘precursor to riot‘ (there is nothing assembling can do, so frustrated assemblers end up RIOTING) but has no effect on policy, or the MP who grants equality and end of apartheid on your behalf so you do not need to march?

1) Freedom from Apartheid/Fascism (Article 1 Human Rights Charter)
2) Freedom from Religious-Persecution/Religious-Supremacy. (Article 18 Human Rights Charter)
3) Equality for all ethnicities and faiths in all aspects of policy, Law and Constitution. (Surah An Nisa 4:75)


Free Rolls Royce offer for “Pornstar” Anwar Ibrahim look-alike by Government of Malaysia – Jul 03-2011

Wanna make some money ? Here is an opportunity: –

Previously, we reported how Anwar Ibrahim, Malaysia’s oppositions leader has been “framed” with several sex tapes HERE.

While Anwar Ibrahim has denied he is the porn star featured in those sex tapes, it’s very obvious these explicit videos which you can watch below and read more here, are either recorded or simply made up and released with only one thing in mind … Political Assassination.

It’s designed to end the political career of Anwar Ibrahim and to kill the fragile oppositions of Malaysia,which is fighting to boot out the legacy government left behind by Asia’s most corrupt dictator, Mahathir Mohamad, and allegation that can never be proven simply because everything including the judiciary is answerable to only one man in Malaysia ie. the Prime Minister … and yes, it’s that absurd.

The country is currently helm by son of an ex-premier, who himself is laden with all sort of scandalous allegations including corruption and even … MURDER !

I love Malaysia.

Below is the latest “satire” from a pro-government newspaper (Fact: all newspaper in Malaysia are required by law to report only pro-government news. There is no press freedom in Malaysia.)

Go here if you just wanna know more about the sex scandal.

Swimming against the tide

By Joceline Tan @ Star Malaysia

The free Rolls Royce offer to any Anwar Ibrahim look-alike out there has gone unclaimed and US experts have verified the sex video to be authentic. What now for the leader of the Opposition?

NOBODY has claimed the Rolls Royce that is currently stretched out like a sexy lady on the porch of Zamil Ibrahim’s house.

The former PKR politician does not see anyone coming forward now that the country’s most talked-about sex video has been found to be authentic.

Zamil, who is now the Kedah chief of the new political party Kita, said he decided to put his prized wheels on the line because he became sick and tired of hearing claims that the man in the video was merely someone who looks like Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim.
Posh car: No takers for the sleek and beautiful Rolls Royce which is still sitting on the porch of Zamil’s house in Kedah. Inset: Zamil who loves the Rolls Royce.

“I couldn’t take any more of the nonsense that it was an Anwar look-alike,” he said.

Zamil loves the beautiful vintage Rolls the way some Malay men love their second wives. Nevertheless, he was prepared to hand over the Rolls to the person whom Anwar’s supporters claimed had been the Anwar look-alike in the video. It was one of those droll manoeuvres loaded with political irony.

But deep down, Zamil is relieved the car will remain his. It is very similar to the Rolls Royce owned by no less than Sarawak Chief Minister Tan Sri Taib Mahmud except that Zamil’s is in better condition. The engine purrs, the dashboard gleams with polish and the leather seats are in a plush taupe.

Just a fortnight ago, a Chinese friend borrowed the car for his son’s wedding. Zamil loaned the car plus his own driver because he did not want unfamiliar hands at the wheel.
Up against the wall: The sex video episode has reached a pivotal point and Pakatan parties are preparing to move on without Anwar who is seen here officiating at a new PKR branch in Kubang Pasu, Kedah.

There has been no love lost between Zamil and Anwar since the day Zamil claimed he was played out by Anwar over a position in PKR. Unfortunately for Anwar, Zamil does not take broken promises lightly and his quest for vengeance is far from over. A few days ago, Zamil lodged a police report on the police report that Anwar made to deny that he is the man in the video. Zamil’s contention is that Anwar had lodged a false police report.

A lot of water has passed under the bridge since the sex video scandal exploded back in March. The so-called Datuk Trio comprising Tan Sri Rahim Thamby Chik, Datuk Eskay Abdullah and Datuk Shuib Ismail has been charged and convicted. Expert opinion from the US is that the video is genuine and the man in it was reported to be “99.99% Anwar.”

End of story? Not quite – the end is still nowhere in sight for this controversial sex video.

“We have passed the climax but this thing has the look of an epic,” said film-maker and Umno blogger Syed Azidi Syed Aziz, who is better known by his blogging name Kickdefella.

Talk is rife of a few more videos in the wings, as well as an explosive photograph. The Datuk Trio is not the sort of people you would want to fool around with, as PKR politician and Sungai Petani MP Johari Abdul has learnt.

Johari, who was among the first people the Trio invited to view the video, recently found himself the collateral damage in the controversy. Johari has been going about denying that it is Anwar but last week, the PKR side released a video which featured Johari rubbishing the Trio and the sex video. His account was obviously timed to coincide with the Trio’s court conviction.

The Trio reacted by unleashing footage of Johari watching the sex video during which he appeared to acknowledge that it was Anwar. Johari did not come out very well from it and, if he knows better, this was just a warning from the Trio.

They obviously have more stuff than what has been seen to date given how cocksure they have been about their claims and actions as well as their willingness to swear on the Quran in the mosque.

But whether the Trio comes up with more of the same is not going to matter very much from now.

The sex video episode has reached a pivotal point with the conviction of the Trio and the authentication of the video. For months, Pakatan politicians had challenged the authorities to charge the Trio, and their conviction has taken the fire out of Pakatan’s artillery.

Pakatan politicians have generally ducked the issue of whether the video was authentic or fake. Only one DAP politician had called for the video to be authenticated. He was quietly asked to shut up and no other Pakatan figure has since made such demands.

Their standard line of defence has been that this is “politik lucah” or vulgar politics while PAS took the Islamic and diplomatic way out by insisting that such cases require four witnesses. Very few of them have put their reputation on the line to say that it is not Anwar. Johari is one of them.

But there are still people out there who do not want to accept that the video is authentic despite the tests and analyses by the academic institute in the US.

At the same time, not all of those who agree that the man is Anwar approve of the entrapment. They feel that political victory or defeat should take place via a political contest rather than through sex traps.

But it is increasingly difficult for Pakatan and especially PKR politicians to go on insisting that it is not Anwar.

When asked about this, a PKR official would only say: “Let the public decide whether they believe the 99.99% finding.”

Some people think Anwar is finished. Actually, he is far from finished but fewer people now think he is going to be the next Prime Minister – or even that he is Prime Minister material.

A serious matter

“Non-Muslims regard this as a private matter. But for us Muslims, it is a serious thing. I haven’t seen the video but my friends have seen it and they can decide for themselves,” said a top PAS figure.

Anwar’s problem is the growing element of doubt among the swing group, especially the Malay middle ground. The hardcore supporters on either side will remain where they are; it is the swing group that Pakatan has to be worried about.

Anwar probably feels it when he goes on the ceramah circuit. The crowds are there but he knows they are also checking out his belly, his chest and even his nose as they are listening to him. Fortunately, his stomach is quite flat now that he has lost so much weight and is looking rather gaunt.

The sex video, for one, has been a top topic at the ceramah series organised by the Pasir Salak division. Umno ceramah can be quite boring affairs but this one not only had the crowd’s attention but had them tickled too.

At one ceramah, the speaker said that given the sex-related incidents associated with the opposition leader, “the whole thing is beginning to look like a hobby.”

“Hobbies are okay, but people with this type of hobby, it’s better they don’t try to become the Prime Minister,” said the speaker.

Another speaker said: “Many of us have seen the video, the experts have said it is real, we know it’s him, what else is there to argue. Only the PAS leaders are still arguing as though they know everything, as if they were in the bedroom, under the bed.”

The ceramah series is the brainchild of Pasir Salak Umno politician Dr Faizal Tajuddin who wanted to counter and neutralise the string of ceramah by PAS, which has been parading its latest celebrity recruit, Bob Lokman, the Malay rocker who said he joined PAS because he wanted to go to heaven.

The main target is PAS but the sex video is one of the bullets being used by Dr Faizal’s team.

Many are also waiting to see whether Anwar’s wife and daughter, both politicians, will come forward to defend him again now that the video has been vetted as genuine. The family is said to have been in turmoil since the video surfaced in March but they have no choice but to keep up a united front.

It is quite clear by now that Anwar needs Pakatan more than Pakatan needs him. He was a superhero in the aftermath of March 2008 but Pakatan is now shouldering him through his personal problems.

Anwar’s nemesis, Kita president Datuk Zaid Ibrahim, put it quite bluntly when he said the opposition has been “utterly compromised” by Anwar and that the latter is “destroying the credibility of the opposition.”

Zaid was equally critical of the authority’s handling of the sex video, describing it as “foolish and clumsy”, all of which added up to what he described as “the tragedy of Malaysian politics.”

Pakatan leaders know it as well. Privately, they are already talking of a revived role for Datuk Seri Dr Wan Azizah in the near future. Dr Wan Azizah has been playing the role of dutiful wife rather than PKR president but Pakatan leaders are ready to accept her if Anwar is indisposed.

“Kak Wan will still lead. We can work with her even though she is not up to mark,” said the same PAS figure.

PKR deputy president Azmin Ali is experienced and capable but the Pakatan leaders are still uncomfortable with him. Rising star Nurul Izzah is ambitious but still very green and her haste to be noticed has seen her mired in embarrassing boo-boos such as claiming that the Malaysian submarine could not dive whereas it has dived to its maximum depth off the coast of Sabah with no less than the King onboard.

Recently, Anwar claimed he had the clout to call off the Bersih rally if he wanted to, implying he was still in charge. The rally’s figurehead leader Datuk S. Ambiga immediately shot back that the rally is on.

It was a slap in the face for Anwar. The Bersih rally is basically a PAS show and it is the clearest sign that Anwar’s centrestage placing in Pakatan politics has been hijacked by PAS.

Moreover, the new PAS battle cry is “PAS ganti Umno”, the implication being that PAS has the ability to replace Umno and that can only mean one thing – PAS is positioning itself to dominate in the general election and claim the Prime Ministership.

Pakatan parties are preparing to move on without Anwar. His role as an intermediary between PAS and DAP is quite redundant now that the Erdogans are in charge in PAS. The Erdogans speak the same political language as DAP leaders and they can sit at the same table with DAP.

There is even talk that if Anwar cannot defend Permatang Pauh in the next general election, Nurul Izzah will go there since the election law disqualifies Dr Wan Azizah from contesting a seat which she resigned from.

The days when Anwar could walk on water are over. He is swimming against the current.

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This is an old article, but lookalikes can be easily created given the amount of funds BN has. They could get the nearest looking lookalike ‘Anwar’ add abit of plastic surgery or anyone in the opposition and make them do all kinds of porn for release in the internet EVERY week or make the fakes ‘say things’ that are politically destructive which will be presented as insider records etc.. Chua Soi Lek could have been smart enough to dodge the bullet but chose to be honest, bravo, but a person who would be honest about invasion of privacy vids, yet not want to challenge apartheid is an oxymoron of sorts.  As for Pakatan, the problem still stands and very clearly that Pakatan is a CLOSED party. I have at least tried quite indirectly to sound Pakatan out, and noted the extreme fear and prevention of ‘outside’ forces taking over. Then after Pakatan’s sacrifice of Teo Beng Hock, perhaps was best that some of us were not invited to join anyway. After doing the scrimmage work, the least that some politicians could have done was not betray their would-be supporters to the psychiatric establishment . . .

2 sides of the same Rakyat oppressive coin?

2 sides of the same Rakyat oppressive coin?

We’d be better off setting up a 3rd Force party to remove the cynical apartheid tolerating hudud accepting guys with similar looking wives (Betty and Rosmah might as well be the same person), drop 50% of DAP’s nepotists I say . . . those undemocratic creeps are very harmful to the country, as is any who are term limitless and nepotistic and refuse to make clear on :

1) Freedom from Apartheid/Fascism (Article 1 Human Rights Charter)
2) Freedom from Religious-Persecution/Religious-Supremacy. (Article 18 Human Rights Charter)
3) Equality for all ethnicities and faiths in all aspects of policy, Law and Constitution. (Surah An Nisa 4:75)

;while touting Hudud or an Islamist party PAS par excellence Morsi’s Muslim Brotherhood. These Islamists are all the same IMHO, when courting the voters, they say nice things but after gaining power, they turn all Islamist and start persecuting everyone. MCA, MIC, Gerakan and PPP however have entirely failed to seperate from BN to lead 3rd force which I list below :

Proposed 3rd Force Party

End the APARTHEID and drop the racists. or get the racists to drop apartheid if BN wants GE13. Other than that, the mandate which is unused as of now would likely become Pakatan’s, a much worse option in many ways.


Pakatan must do more for Penang Malays – Saturday, 24 November 2012 Super Admin

The Malays in Penang want a Malay Deputy Chief Minister to look after their interests

To this, the congress’  president Rahmad Isahak said it was becoming  clear that both PKR and PAS have failed to maintain Pakatan Rakyat’s hold on the Malays.

Hawkeye, FMT

The Penang Malay Congress has called on DAP to consider appointing a Malay to become the next Deputy Chief Minister (DCM) I if the present leader, PKR’s Mansor Othman, relinquishes the post in favour of contesting a parliament seat.

The rumour mill is working overtime in Penang now  since PKR supremo Anwar Ibrahim announced last week that Mansor, a party vice-president, will contest the Nibong Tebal parliament seat.

The seat is presently held by Tan Tee Beng who had won the seat under the PKR banner in 2008 but has since  become an Independent.

Anwar declined to comment on whether Mansor will be allowed to defend his present Penanti state seat on the mainland.

To this, the congress’  president Rahmad Isahak said it was becoming  clear that both PKR and PAS have failed to maintain Pakatan Rakyat’s hold on the Malays.

Moving Mansor out of Penang, stengthens the congress’ belief that Pakatan is concerned about the Malay ground here and confirms that the Malay electorate is disappointed with them, Rahmad said.

Mansor has been underfire for the last three years for  failing to champion Malay issues well, and he is often seen as being subservient to Chief Minister Lim Guan Eng.

To arrest an alleged decline in Malay support, Rahmad said Pakatan needs to revamp its present leadeship allocation.

A Malay DAP candidate, who wins in the next election, should instead be made the DCM I as this will demonstrate to the people that the  party is committed to the Malays, Rahmad said.

Talk is that Penang DAP will consider fielding at least two Malay candidates here to challenge the perception among the Malay community that it is a Chinese  party.

DAP’s failure to field any Malays may also give rise to a  number of independent candidates – sponsored by Malay civil groups where 23 organisations have sprouted up in Penang since 2008.

Rahmad said the Malays in Penang have become restless due to the inability of the DAP-led state government to effectively address their socio-economic issues.

The community’s grouses are over the lack of affordable housing, erosion of their heritage and culture values, made worse by the demolition of traditional villages on the island and the lack of quality jobs despite a record number of fresh investments.

“If you ask a critically minded Malay if they support Pakatan, they remain speechless. It is not because Pakatan failed them, it is because the issues of the community has gone unnoticed by the inexperienced government for the past four years.”

The Malay dilemma

The Malays are now venting their anger on PKR and PAS for failure to convince DAP over the critical need to look at the community’s issues.

Even during Barisan’s era, the Malay community here has been stirring up issues and expressing their anger, Rahmad said in an interview.

The Malays are in a dilemma here because if they support Pakatan, there is a preception out there that their issues will not be effectively resolved unless a strong-willed Malay leader is appointed as the Deputy Chief Minister I, Rahmad said.

On the other hand, it is pointless to support Umno as the party is part of the Barisan Nasional coalition, which is finding it increasingly difficult to regain acceptance in Penang, he said.

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No problem if Penang has a Malay CM, but do grant :

1) Freedom from Apartheid/Fascism (Article 1 Human Rights Charter)
2) Freedom from Religious-Persecution/Religious-Supremacy. (Article 18 Human Rights Charter)
3) Equality for all ethnicities and faiths in all aspects of policy, Law and Constitution. (Surah An Nisa 4:75)

;so that the minorities will not care what race the CM is. Frankly Penang has had a minority CM for too long, on the other hand ALL OTHER Sultanate led STATES have had Malay MBs for too long as well. The door swings both ways . . .


Najib: Change can happen with the same government – by Ida Lim – November 24, 2012

Najib addresses the crowd at the Barisan 1 Malaysia gathering at the Putra World Trade Centre who respond by raising one finger. — Picture by Saw Siow Feng
KUALA LUMPUR, Nov 24 — A change in government is not necessary for changes in the country, Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Razak said today.

The ruling Barisan Nasional (BN) is ready to change, said Najib, who is also chairman of the 13-member coalition.

“… BN is not a party that is inflexible. We are ready to change.

“Change can happen in our country and we have proven that not necessarily we change government, but we can bring big change with the same government,” Najib said at the Barisan 1 Malaysia gathering at the Putra World Trade Centre (PWTC) here.

He also hinted that the government may give more cash handouts to the people if the country is well-managed.

He was speaking about the government’s financial aid to the working class and other sections of society, such as giving out tyres to taxi drivers and cash handouts to singles under the Bantuan Rakyat 1 Malaysia (BR1M) 2.0 scheme, before hinting that more handouts were possible.

“Boleh lagi. We (can) give more in the future with the condition that our country is managed well.

“And all these we are able to do because in the past four years, we have proven that this is not an empty promise…” Najib said.

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If BN is unable to grant :

1) Freedom from Apartheid/Fascism (Article 1 Human Rights Charter)
2) Freedom from Religious-Persecution/Religious-Supremacy. (Article 18 Human Rights Charter)
3) Equality for all ethnicities and faiths in all aspects of policy, Law and Constitution. (Surah An Nisa 4:75)

;no change can be expected. BN has the mandate to grant the above now. Why has BN not used that mandate to grant the above? This proves there will be no change. The above 3 items cost nothing to implement.


ASEAN needs formal civil society engagement mechanism on human rights — James Gomez and Robin Ramcharan – November 19, 2012

NOV 19 — Unless appropriate formal and equitable engagement mechanisms are put in place, civil society will be not be in a position to effectively advocate for and ensure the protection of human rights in the region. This is the lesson to be gleaned from the adoption of the ASEAN Human Rights Declaration (AHRD) yesterday (November 18) during the ASEAN Summit in Phnom Penh, Cambodia.

The inability of civil society organisations (CSOs) to meaningfully engage with members of ASEAN over the establishment of institutional and normative human rights frameworks to date explains the limited effectiveness of their advocacy in securing a real protection mechanism for the people of ASEAN.

Much of the discussion emerging from yesterday’s release of AHRD has focused on the criticism by CSOs over the lack of adherence to international human rights standards and the rejoinder by ASEAN governmental representative that the tone of the current AHRD is what is politically feasible now within the regional grouping. But the root problem remains the lack of access of CSOs to the inter-governmental process that has crafted institutional mechanisms and the AHRD.

Over the last two years, CSOs seeking to advance the protection of human rights in the nascent ASEAN human rights regime have been confronted with a regional association and member governments that are still deeply wedded to the principle of non-interference and the primacy of national laws.

Beginning with the ASEAN Charter in 2008, which promised the establishment of a human rights body, CSOs have been pressuring member governments to adopt a mechanism that would speak to international standards and include a protection mechanism. At each step towards formalising a regional mechanism, for example in 2009 in the run up to the drafting of the Terms of Reference for the AICHR and now in 2012 in the drafting of AHRD, CSOs have tried their level best to engage with ASEAN but in vain.

On the adoption of the ADHR in Phnom Penh on November 18, CSO criticisms of the declaration continued unabated. While Singapore’s Representative to the AICHR, Chang Heng Chee, hailed the advent of the “peer-review” mechanism and the ADHR as “the best that could be done” in the social and political context, the CSO exclusion from the process of crafting a human rights regime remains a blatant fact.

Some 60 CSOs wrote to ASEAN leaders requesting the postponement of the signing given serious flaws in the document. Echoing strongly their comments, the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, Navi Pillay, also called for the same and has stated: “I am surprised and disappointed that the draft declaration has not been made public and that civil society has not been consulted in the drafting of the document.”

Poignant criticisms have pointed to AHRD failings to meet existing international standards and the risks of creating a sub-standard level of rights protection in the region.

Pillay has cited as an example the provision on the right to life which, she said, should not be contingent on domestic laws that can be used to justify state-sponsored violence. Further, ASEAN governments want the enjoyment of rights to be balanced with the “performance of duties” and be subject to “national and regional contexts”.

Rights in the region therefore stand to be restricted on a wide range of grounds, including “national security” and “public morality”. The declaration is further criticised for having too many loopholes that may permit states to bypass international standards. Even Surin Pitsuwan, speaking at the ASEAN Summit in Phnom Penh, admitted: “This document can be improved upon.”

On such substantive matters critical to the well-being of all ASEAN citizens, CSOs have been confronted with ASEAN member-states’ strategy of selective and limited engagement with CSOs to date over the establishment of a human rights regime in the region. The entire project of crafting a human rights regime is pursued purely as an inter-governmental activity.

With no institutionalised mechanism for consultation, CSO engagement has only been accommodated on a piece-meal basis and only because of the tireless advocacy, persistence and pressure by regional CSOs. This state of affairs has neutralised CSOs’ ability to advocate successfully for the protection of human rights in the region.

Such a purely inter-governmental approach is entirely out of step with how inter-governmental organisations such as the UN, the EU and the OAS conduct their own inter-governmental activities. In those mechanisms civil society is mainstreamed into the human rights processes.

In addition to concern over core substantive dilemmas — the lack of real protection of human rights and the failure to meet international standards — the real subtext is the fact that civil society has not been mainstreamed as it should be. Lack of such mainstreaming undermines ASEAN’s own call for a more people-centred community.

Civil society organisations, which have historically played a vital role in advancing the protection of human rights globally, and the media (traditional and new), must continue and intensify their push for more transparency in the ASEAN human rights regime, for the respect of international commitments already binding upon ASEAN states, for the respect for universal standards under the UN Charter and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and for real protection of fundamental rights.

When it comes to the development of human rights in the region, the lack of genuine consultation with CSOs by ASEAN’s member governments reflects the marginalisation of one of the important sectors within the member states. A formal consultation mechanism is vital to the protection of human rights in the region and to the creation of a more people-centred ASEAN.

* Drs James Gomez (Thammasat University) and Robin Ramcharan (Queen’s University Center for International Relations) are authors of the paper “The Protection of Human Rights in Southeast Asia: Improving the Effectiveness of Civil Society Advocacy”.

* This is the personal opinion of the writer or publication and does not necessarily represent the views of The Malaysian Insider.

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At very least allow ALL activites for registered persons in restricted zones for a start.


Hatred-filled, Dr M would rather have Chua Soi Lek as Prime Minister than Anwar – Written by  Moaz Nair, Malaysia Chronicle – Saturday, 24 November 2012 09:50

From the Biblical book of Proverbs (15.33), it says: “The fear of the Lord teaches a man wisdom, and humility comes before honour.”

The Qur’an (7:94) reads as follows: “Whenever We sent a Prophet to a society, We took up its people in suffering and adversity, in order that they might learn humility.”

One seeking honour must have an attitude of humility and recognising his responsibility to others must be his priority. One such personality among the ordinary citizens is the incumbent PAS President Abdul Hadi Awang.

In his speech at the recent 58th Muktamar PAS in Kelantan, he said, “To become the prime minister is not my aim in politics. I would rather be a slave to the people.”

Be that as it may, the consensus among Pakatan allies is that Anwar Ibrahim will be made the prime minister in the event of the coalition taking over Putrajaya in the 13th general election. Of course, this is not going to make UMNO’s supreme mentor, former Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad, happy.

And Anwar – with his credentials, experience and international exposure – is considered by majority Malaysians to be the most qualified man to head the government.

Becoming a leader is a huge responsibility

As a devout Muslim, Hadi is aware that becoming a leader is a huge responsibility (amanah).  As such, he said that “let a prime minister be a person from among those entrusted by the rakyat, who could carry out his duty in good conscience and is blessed by God”.

This unmistakeably testifies that PAS advocates the principle of democracy in politics and the tussle to become the prime minister if Pakatan takes over Putrajaya in the next election does not exist at all.

In fact, according to political observers, there is no issue of any political scrimmage within the Pakatan coalition on the issue of who shall become the prime minister. The understanding on this issue has been generally accepted by all the three parties in Pakatan – PAS, PKR and DAP.

PAS and Pakatan Rakyat are not facing a dearth of leaders. Within PAS there are many among them who have a good religious background, are professional and also well-versed with the economy that could be entrusted to lead the nation.

Notably among them are scientist-cum-economist Dzulkefly Ahmad the Member of Parliament  for Kuala Selangor, former deputy governor of Bank Negara, economist and consultant Rosli Yaakop and former Menteri Besar of Perak Mohammad Nizar Jamaluddin, a Member of Parliament  and engineer by profession.

Unpretentiousness is the ethos found among PAS leaders. Political pundits have this to say: Even if a leader from PAS is appointed as prime minister this will not be a cause to worry among the non-Muslims. At present two states in the country have Menteri Besar from PAS – Kelantan and Kedah.

They have performed relatively well in the economic governance of the states even though they come from a religious background.

Nizar was chosen

But the best narration that could allay the fears of non-Muslims over PAS is that of what ensued in Perak in 2008. On 8 March 2008, the Pakatan Rakyat coalition in Perak won 31 seats of the 59 seat Perak State Assembly, which enabled it to form the state government with a simple majority.

The DAP commanded the most seats out of the 31 seats held by Pakatan Rakyat and were initially the claimants to the post of Menteri Besar. However, the Perak State Constitution stipulates that the menteri besar must be of Malay descent, and a non-Malay could only be appointed by a royal waiver by the Perak Palace.

To resolve this, all three parties sent their nominations for the menteri besar post to the Regent of Perak, Raja Nazrin Shah. Reluctant Nizar was chosen over Ngeh Koo Ham of the DAP and Jamaluddin Mohd Radzi of PKR on 12 March 2008 and he sworn in on 17 March 2008 at Istana Iskandariah, Kuala Kangsar.

Nizar from PAS ended up working harmoniously with all the coalition members and proved himself to become a popular menteri besar although his stint as the chief of Perak government was short-lived (17 March 2008 – 12 May 2009). This was after a controversial takeover of the State by Barisan in 2009 when three Pakatan assemblymen left the coalition to become Barisan-friendly.

On 11 May 2009, the Kuala Lumpur High Court ruled that the Sultan could not constitutionally remove Nizar from office, and that Nizar had always been the rightful menteri besar. However, Nizar at the end of the day lost the legal proceedings when, in February 2010, the Federal Court ruled Zambry Abdul Kadir from Barisan to be the lawful menteri besar.

In the same year Nizar from PAS won the Bukit Gantang parliamentary by-election with a thumping victory over the Barisan candidate (Ismail Safian) that made him a member of parliament. He clinched the support of Malays and majority non-Malays in the by-election.

Nizar proved himself as a capable and well-liked menteri besar by all the races in Perak though he represented PAS – an Islamic party. He proved himself that he could handle the state with humility, integrity and fairness.

Thus, a PAS man becoming a leader of a state or nation should not become an issue in multi-racial and democratic Malaysia.

Chua Soi Lek as prime minister

Mahathir, in a media report, was cynical when he proposed that Karpal Singh – DAP Chief, a prominent lawyer and Member of Parliament –  be chosen as the prime minister in the case Pakatan wins the next general election. This must be akin to suggesting Chua Soi Lek, the MCA President to become the prime minister within the Barisan rank.

By virtue of Mahathir’s statement, if Karpal can become the prime minister of Malaysia there is no wrong then for Chua to be elevated as prime minister in Barisan. Perhaps, UMNO under their supreme guru, Mahathir, can ponder over this matter.

Mahathir insinuated that Pakatan is fractious when it comes to the appointment of a prime minister. Political observers opine that the man Mahathir fears most in life is Anwar. Anwar was ousted from the party in 1998 when Mahathir sensed that he would be sent to the political bin if he did not act fast enough on his ambitious nemesis.

Of course, Mahathir will be the most despondent man on earth if Anwar becomes the next prime minister of the country.

The country is now blessed with a two-party system and this bodes well for the people. There may be some minor differences in Pakatan as opposed to major squabbles in UMNO and Barisan.

UMNO has virtually decimated MCA, MIC and Gerakan by its Malay-centric approach to politics and is now all alone against the mounting crusade from Pakatan against Barisan.

The split in UMNO

Pakatan associates have not split to the extent of forming PKR Baru, DAP Baru or PAS Baru just to chase for the prime minister’s post.

In 1987, for the first time in twelve years, the incumbent President, Mahathir, was challenged by Tengku Razaleigh Hamzah for the Presidency of UMNO. There was a forceful campaign to win the support of the approximately 1,500 delegates from party branches all over the country, who came to elect the party officers.

Some were even accused of money politics during the intense campaigns to decide who would be the president of UMNO and subsequently the prime minister of the country.

The official results declared Mahathir the winner, with 761 votes to Razaleigh’s 718. There was a major split in UMNO after that episode all because of “a prime minister’s post”. The vanquished was not happy and brought the matter to the Court.

UMNO was later declared as an illegal entity by the Court for having some “phantom” branches.

Soon after, UMNO Baru was born – laboriously “delivered” by Mahathir – and Razaleigh left UMNO to form Semangat46. This split in UMNO has remained until today. And Razaleigh until now has not given up his hope to become the prime minister.

As Hadi said, “Becoming a leader is not because one desires to become one. It must be with the blessings of God and with the consent and support of the majority”.

Buzz is now steeping

There are many more senior UMNO proponents tussling, including the Perkasa Chief who is ambitious, to become or be made the prime minister. The incumbent Deputy UMNO President, Muhyiddin Yassin, has his own supporters who would want him to challenge Najib Abdul Razak – the present yet to be endorsed UMNO president – to become the prime minister and this buzz is now steeping in the party.

And Mahathir will not leave this world a happy man until he could be assured that his son Mukhriz is in line to the throne as well. Ambitious Khairy Jamaluddin – UMNO Youth Chief who holds no ministerial post and is more noted for his penchant for football than the welfare of UMNO – who is not in the good book of Mahathir and Najib is also very keen to become prime minister.

It was reported that Khairy did at one time boast that he wanted to become the prime minister before the age 40. His hope however is dashed under the present UMNO set-up.

Another point that should be highlighted here is that money politics has become the malady affecting UMNO party members who have been jostling up the political ladder since 1981.  This mucky, corrupt and irreligious norm is not found in PAS, PKR or DAP.

More perceptible within UMNO

Pro-UMNO media is playing up the issue as though Pakatan is split over the choice of a prime minister in the event of Pakatan winning the next general election but this is a non-issue to the non-Malays as well as the Malays.

UMNO and its supreme but unpopular advice-giver have failed to unnerve those who might be concerned about Pas leading a new federal government.

In a nutshell, all the hankering and throbbing to become prime minister is more perceptible within UMNO than any of the Opposition party.

Of course Hadi in a humble way “welcomed” the sincere proposal by the Ulama Wing Chief – a polite gesture on Hadi’s part to please the enthusiastic participants – that he be chosen to become the prime minister.

But wisdom prevailed in him, as he was quick to qualify that his aim in politics was not to become a prime minister. He even warned the participants of the risks of being desperately ambitious in politics.

He then aptly said, “Leadership is a huge trust and a big responsibility. Whoever becomes the prime minister is secondary. The good values of Islam should be upheld. A leader must be trustworthy, not corrupt, of high integrity and who could bring social justice to all Malaysians. And if this is achieved it is enough for me in this world.”

The rakyat have not heard this kind of humble statement springing from any UMNO leader since 1981.

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. . . Becoming a leader is a huge responsibility . . .

Bullsh1t! All an MP needs to do is amend laws en masse with other MPs, and GTFO of Dewan after the 2nd term so that some other Malaysian will have a chance to do some policy work. All the MPs of today do are argue, never forward useful bills and keep apartheid in place by not challenging what is Illegal in the Human Rights Charter and Islam and virtually every faith on the planet. Responbsibility is making CHANGE by ratifying good policy and forwarding amendments to policy. Not keep the APARTHEID of BUMIPUTERA in place (BN), threaten to destroy private property (Gambier Threat – DAP), destroy livilihood of the streetside petty traders (DAP), ask for 750K funerals (DAP), ask for raises for MP and Assemblyman salaries (DAP), or try to impose Hudud on Malaysians (PAS), especially non-Muslim Malaysians, or pass off 8% quorum party elections as valid (PKR) or 0.002% (300 out of 1.5 million) for EXCO posts.

The above makes today’s hateful term limitless and extremely nepotistic MPs, loudmouths without responsibility. ALL an MP needs to do is change a few things by putting a signature down which any street sweeper can happily do. So far nothing useful from either side, lots of mega contracts for 1% cronies but nothing concrete for the 99%.

. . . He then aptly said, “Leadership is a huge trust and a big responsibility. Whoever becomes the prime minister is secondary. The good values of Islam should be upheld. A leader must be trustworthy, not corrupt, of high integrity and who could bring social justice to all Malaysians. And if this is achieved it is enough for me in this world.” . . .

APTLY? Malaysian  Chronicle converted to Islam lately? ‘The good values of Islam should be upheld.’ is the vaguest most threatening thing being said as much as President Morsi of Egypt’s ‘Absolutist Decree’ just recently. There are OTHER good values – of other fiaths, of democracy of HUMAN RIGHTS that too many religions attack constantly. WHAT THE HELL is apt about a potential crypto-Islamist statement like that given the neglect of 40% of the population’s seculars or non-Hudu Malays up to 80-95% of Malaysia’s population altogether?

Hadi has NOT addressed the seculars since ‘accepting the PMship’ a week or so ago – Morsi Style! please stop emboldening with this sort of collusion or laziness. Apt? Hadi has forgotten the 40% of non-Muslims and non-Malays as well as possibly 70% of the non-pro-Hudud Malays and Muslims. Malaysia Chronicle sure this can be called ‘APT’? Frankly Malaysian MPs are overpaid, even when a 900 minimum wage cannot be implemented, what business have MPs have to take 23K per month of taxpayer monies? MPs salaries are paid by the Rakyat, did any Rakyat say they deserve 23K? On a 1-Man-1-Vote vote, probably MPs will have their salaries LOWERED to no more than 10 times minimum annual wage which would likely be RM$9000, even as minimum wage of $900 already gets ALL MP’s dragging their feet . . . the Pakatan MPs are term limitless and nepotistic, do not care for the Rakyat, even as BN MPs continue apartheid . . . vote 3rd Force!

Proposed 3rd Force Party


RPK: Do You Think I Give A Crap? – by RAJA PETRA KAMARUDIN – Monday, 05 November 2012 16:25

“More I read your articles, more I have an inclination that you really are on a BN payroll.” – @bengali kunday.

That was what a reader going by the nickname of ‘@bengali kunday’ said. Well, allow me to reply to that.

First of all, even if I am on the payroll of Barisan Nasional, so what? There are people like those in Malaysiakini, Malaysia Chronicle, and so on, who are on Pakatan Rakyat’s payroll. In fact, sites like Harakah and many others actually belong to and are financed by Pakatan Rakyat or parties within Pakatan Rakyat. And they do not hide that fact or are apologetic or ashamed about serving the interest of a political party, notwithstanding the fact that it is an opposition party.

Are you implying that it is okay to be on Pakatan Rakyat’s payroll but not okay to be on Barisan Nasional’s payroll? Are you also implying that democracy and freedom of choice and freedom of association means you must be on Pakatan Rakyat’s payroll but not on Barisan Nasional’s payroll?

What type of democracy is this when you are restricted to serving one party’s interest but not the other? What type of democracy is this when you have no freedom of choice or freedom of association and are obligated to serve one party’s interest but not the other?

You take the moral high ground whenever you feel that someone is serving Barisan Nasional’s interest but you do not demonstrate that same moral outrage if someone is on Pakatan Rakyat’s payroll. So-called ‘independent’ human rights organisations such as Suaram openly work for Pakatan Rakyat but that is not repulsive to you. Only if they serve Barisan Nasional’s interest is it repulsive.

Secondly, when I write articles very damaging to Barisan Nasional and Umno – such as my two recent articles this week in The Corridors of Power regarding Umno Sabah – you do not consider that as being on Pakatan Rakyat’s payroll. However, if I write just one article that is slightly uncomplimentary to Pakatan Rakyat (in fact, the article that I wrote in which you posted that comment is not even about Pakatan Rakyat or uncomplimentary to Pakatan Rakyat) you consider that as being on Barisan Nasional’s payroll.

To you Pakatan Rakyat supporters, the decent thing to do is to serve Pakatan Rakyat’s interest. Serving any other interest is an indecent thing to do. You decide the moral boundaries and limits of decency and anyone who does not pass your interpretation and yardstick of morality and decency is vilified. Who appointed you the guardian and trustee of morality and decency?

How different are you from the religionists who decide what is moral and what is decent and impose their standards of morality and decency on others? Since Muslims represent the majority population in Malaysia can Muslims then, going by the doctrine of democracy where majority rules, impose their Islamic interpretation of morality and decency on the minority?

Since the majority dictates the ground rules then surely what is compatible to Islam should prevail and anything repulsive to Islam should be barred. In that case the Islamic Sharia law, Hudud included, should be the law of the land. Muslims who are the majority in Malaysia should decide what is moral and what is decent and Islam must be the code of conduct that all Malaysians should live by.

Religionists such as Muslims, even if they are the majority in Malaysia, should not impose their will on Malaysians, even on fellow Muslims, let alone on the non-Muslims. So why should you impose your will on others? The believers of Islam should not vilify those who are not of the Muslim faith. Why should the believers of Pakatan Rakyat vilify those who are not of the opposition faith?

When misguided Muslims adopt the ‘either you are with us or you are against us’ religious doctrine, you find that revolting, indecent and immoral. But you can adopt the ‘either you are with us or you are against us’ political doctrine and it is not revolting, indecent and immoral.

What kind of hypocritical double standard is this? You resent it when others impose their will on you and when they decide what is tolerable, moral and decent. But you can impose your will on others and decide what is tolerable, moral and decent. Can you see the hypocrisy that is so thick you can cut it with a knife?

Do you think I care a sh** about Barisan Nasional or Pakatan Rakyat? Do you think I care a sh** whether Barisan Nasional retains power or Pakatan Rakyat gains power? Do you think my life is only about the general elections and about who gets to march into Putrajaya? That is a very narrow way to look at life.

Do you honestly think that my mission in life is to make sure that Barisan Nasional does not get kicked out? Do you honestly think that my mission in life is to ensure that Pakatan Rakyat gets to form the next federal government? You have a very narrow mission in life. Do not imagine that my mission in life is as narrow as yours.

Politicians are politicians, never mind from which side of the political divide. And the narrow objective of all politicians is merely to get into power. What makes you think that that is also my very narrow objective? If you think that then you have not been reading properly what I have been writing over these last 35 years.

You Pakatan Rakyat supporters are still too immature. And that is why Pakatan Rakyat is not ready to run the country. Pakatan Rakyat supporters first need to gain some maturity before Pakatan Rakyat can be allowed to form the federal government. You need to suffer another term under Barisan Nasional. This suffering might then wake you up and only when you wake up can we talk about a change of government.

Yes, do keep whacking me. Continue to vilify me. And when you do I will do everything within my power to make sure that the coming general election is going to result in a huge shock and disappointment for you.

Never give a flower to a monkey, the Malays would say. That is like throwing pearls to swine, the English say. And that is how I look at some of you Pakatan Rakyat supporters, monkeys and swine that are not ready to be entrusted with power.

So you want to fight. So let’s fight. I have nothing to lose because I don’t care a sh** which side is going to win the coming general election. That is what you want. That is not what I want. Just because that is what you want you have this mistaken notion that that is what I also want.

What stupid people you are. If I support Pakatan Rakyat then I am God. If I do not support Pakatan Rakyat then I am a Barisan Nasional stooge. Well, let me break it to you gently. I am neither God not a Barisan Nasional stooge. I am an independent-spirited individual who does not care a sh** about losers like you.

*The views expressed here are the personal opinion of the writer.


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RPK while full of energy to argue on blogs, evidently is not independent enough to run for MP, even with that vast network and ill gotten wealth from Marina’s father . . .


SAVE OUR COUNTRY: Open letter to all Malaysians – by  Yeo Yang Poh – Sunday, 25 November 2012 10:11

Dear Fellow Malaysians

It is true that there are things that we Malaysians should be proud of, and be thankful for. It is equally true that many things are not well in our country. They have not been well for some time now.

Matters of safety and security, price hikes, education, issues of equal opportunities and equal treatment, constriction of various forms of freedom, marginalization of several segments of society, the failing justice system, corruption in the public sector, the rising denial syndromes, the arrogance of wrongdoers nourished by their repeated ability to get off scot-free, and the numbness of the public reaction towards misdeeds and the lack of accountability, just to describe a few.

Many of the ills that we complain about in our society are the symptoms of the underlying causes. Some of the major root causes are:

(a) epidemic corruption in a system that does little to prohibit or redress it,

(b) lack of a system of transparency and accountability,

(c) the suppression of various freedoms so as to turn a silent majority into a silenced majority,

(d) a Government that is more interested in commanding than serving,

(e) a Parliament whose overwhelming majority cares more about power-consolidation than nation-building, and

(f) a weak “last bastion” in the form of a failing justice system.

Breaking point

Can things be allowed to go on this way? Can we afford to do so?

Should our future generations suffer the consequences of our permissiveness?

It is quite obvious that we need a better Government and a better Parliament.

But that will not happen if we, the citizens of Malaysia , do little more than blaming the Government and criticizing our Members of Parliament. It is we who put our MPs in the Parliament. It is we who must take the ultimate responsibility.The buck stops at each and every one of us.

My earnest appeal to everyone is therefore as follows:

– discuss the need for a better Parliament and a better Government, with your family members, colleagues, friends and persons close to you;

– make it a point to go and vote in the next election, and to vote for change and for betterment; discard the notion or excuse that your single vote will not matter;

– discard the notion or excuse that politics is dirty and all politicians are the same, and therefore that there is no point in voting;

– influence and encourage as many of your family members, colleagues, friends and persons close to you as possible, to come out and vote for change and for betterment in the coming election.

Meaningless to gripe if you don’t VOTE

It is meaningless for us to complain about our Parliamentarians and the Government, if we do not first discharge a simple but sacrosanct duty of choice.

Let us all take the time to look into the beautiful but expectant eyes of our children, and of the children of many others for whom we care.

The future of our nation is meant for them. But millions of them cannot vote. They put their fate in our hands. They rely on us not just for their present living and support. They rely on us, too, to vote for a better future for them.

And after discharging our duty to vote, we must continue to be vigilant, and ensure that our elected representatives account for their actions, and make good their promises.

I humbly suggest to you that change and betterment are not empty dreams, if all of us play our respective parts. I invite you, and I urge you, to answer my appeal as set out above.

Thank you.

Yours sincerely,

Yeo Yang Poh

(former Bar Council President)

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So says the ‘great legal mind’ who propped up Mahathir’s racist corrupt government and sat silently while in power as Bar President while APARTHEID of BUMIPUTRA and OPs Lallang went on. This legal beagle (no eagle even though was Bar Council President) Yeo Yang Poh entirely failed his watch, did not challenge Malaysia’s failed state throughout the 1970s to 1990s.

The legal fraternity worldwide should blackball this failure Yeo and also the Bar Council of today as well for not challenging apartheid. And now Yeo thinks that writing an ‘open letter’ will exhonerate such neglect and tacit approval of such Malaysian racism, corruption, illegal actions and general malaise? Liar and traitor to all Malaysian, traitor to minorities, traitor to ETHICS and the integrity of the legal system! Shame on Yeo Yang Poh for never raising the possibility of ending the APARTHEID OF BUMIPUTRA!

Malaysia Chronicle must be getting chronic to allow such people to post articles on their media article. Cynical media portal featuring cynical letters from supposed learned writers who sellout the 99% of citizens!


DON’T BE SO ‘ULU’ UMNO: Stop the May 13 threats, have the GUTS to compete on level ground! –  by  Lim Kit Siang – Friday, 30 November 2012 15:44

The irresponsible threats raised by UMNO leaders at the 66th UMNO General Assembly of “May 13” and chaos if UMNO loses the 13th General Election, falsely claiming that Malays will lose political power and will be rendered “destitute in our own land”, is the best proof of the failure and hypocrisy of Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Razak’s 1Malaysia policy.

If the 1Malaysia Policy proclaimed by Najib after he became Prime Minister in in April 2009 is more than election gimmicks for votes in the 13GE, its philosophy “to create a Malaysian nation where every Malaysian will regard himself or herself as Malaysian first and race, religion, geographical region or socio-economic status second” should have been the guiding spirit of speeches of UMNO/BN leaders and their party conferences.

But this is clearly not the case despite the onset of the 43rd month of Najib’s premiership, as illustrated by the 66th Umno General Assembly.

In the first place, an Umno/BN leader fully imbued by the 1Malaysia spirit of “Malaysian first and race, religion, geography or socio-economic status second” would never entertain any notion let alone utter any threat of May 13 or chaos regardless of the outcome of the forthcoming 13th general election, as anyone who could toy with any May 13 threat or warning of chaos because of the free democratic choice of Malaysians in the 13th general election has not only failed to imbibe the spirit of 1Malaysia, but is acting in a most disloyal and unpatriotic manner utterly heedless of the higher interests of the nation and the best future for the country.

Felled by own falsehoods

Such disloyal and unpatriotic notions is all the more reprehensible as they are built on despicable lies and falsehoods, that the defeat of UMNO in the 13th GE will result in the loss of political power of the Malays resulting in the Malays, to quote one speech: “..if we go down in this struggle, we do not have anything left. Pakatan will be brought down to their knees, and eventually become destitute in our own land”.

That fate may befall UMNO leaders – and that is if UMNO is incapable of reform even after being ousted from Putrajaya – but definitely it will not be the fate of the Malays.

This is because replacing UMNO/BN in Putrajaya will be the Pakatan Rakyat coalition comprising PKR, PAS and DAP – comprising Malaysians from all races, religions and regions representing the best interests of all.

Do MCA and the other BN component parties agree that if UMNO/BN loses in the 13GE, the Malays will lose political power?

MCA leaders are in fact saying the very opposite – telling the Chinese that if Pakatan Rakyat defeat UMNO/BN in the next general elections, the Chinese will lose even more political, economic, educational, socio-economic and citizenship rights!

Only the corrupt will lose power

Let UMNO and MCA leaders decide on one common message – whether it is the Malays or Chinese who will lose political power if UMNO/BN is replaced by Pakatan Rakyat in the 13GE.

The true answer is that it is not the Malays, Chinese, Indians, Kadazans or Ibans who will lose political power but the UMNO-putras and their hangers-on in the other BN component parties – with ordinary Malaysians regardless of race, religion or region coming into their own to have rightful share in the decision-making process in a more democratic Malaysia.

It is time that UMNO and MCA leaders stop their irresponsible politics of “divide and rule” and compete with Pakatan Rakyat parties instead on “unite and rule” for a more democratic, just, prosperous and competitive Malaysia.

Lim Kit Siang is the DAP adviser & MP for Ipoh Timur

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Shaddap and GTFO of Dewan nepotistic term limitless creep!

DON’T BE SO ‘ULU’ DAP: Stop the APARTHEID OF BUMIPUTRA, have the GUTS to DEMAND level ground (below 3 items)!

1) Freedom from Apartheid/Fascism (Article 1 Human Rights Charter)
2) Freedom from Religious-Persecution/Religious-Supremacy. (Article 18 Human Rights Charter)
3) Equality for all ethnicities and faiths in all aspects of policy, Law and Constitution. (Surah An Nisa 4:75)

Felled by own 90% Failures in the GE12 Manifesto

Such disloyal and unpatriotic notions is all the more reprehensible as they are built on despicable lies and falsehoods, that the defeat of DAP in the 13th GE will result in the loss of political power of the Lim Family Bloc, Anwar Family Bloc and Karpal Family Blocs resulting in the family blocs, to quote one speech: “. . . if Pakatan goes down in this struggle, Pakatan does not have anything left. Pakatan will be(ing) brought down to their knees, and eventually become destitute in Pakatan’s own constituencies” to the empowerment of 3rd Force and the very rare handful of honest politicians within BN who subscribe top the above 3 items.

That fate may befall UMNO leaders – and that is if UMNO is incapable of reform even after being ousted from Putrajaya – but definitely it will not be the fate of the Malays.

This is because replacing UMNO/BN in Putrajaya will be the Pakatan Rakyat coalition comprising PKR, PAS and DAP – comprising Malaysians from all races, religions and regions representing the best interests of all.

Do MCA and the other BN component parties agree that if UMNO/BN loses in the 13GE, the Malays will lose political power?

MCA leaders are in fact saying the very opposite – telling the Chinese that if Pakatan Rakyat defeat UMNO/BN in the next general elections, the Chinese will lose even more political, economic, educational, socio-economic and citizenship rights!

Only the nepotistic and term limitless will lose power.

The true answer is that it is not the Malays, Chinese, Indians, Kadazans or Ibans who will lose political power but the DAP-putras and their hangers-on in the other Pakatan component parties – with ordinary Malaysians regardless of race, religion or region coming into their own to have rightful share in the decision-making process in a more democratic Malaysia by removing term limitless Lim Kitsiangs and Karpals and their families from family blocs in Parliament.

It is time that DAP and PKR leaders stop their irresponsible politics of “falsely-unify and rule-by-kicking out members and being dictators PAP style” and compete to match 3rd Force instead on “TERM LIMITS and END OF NEPOTISM” for a more democratic, just, prosperous and competitive Malaysia.

@AgreeToDisagree is the 3rd Force adviser & MP for The REAL ISSUE (Ending Apartheid via the above 3 items)


ASEAN ECONOMIC COMMUNITY: Malaysia can play key role – by Rueben Dudley, Petaling Jaya, Selangor – 23 November 2012 | last updated at 10:09PM

TWO important decisions at the recently concluded 21st Asean Summit in Phnom Penh were: the launch of the Asean Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership (RCEP) and delaying the launch of the Asean Economic Community (AEC) by 12 months, from Jan 1 to Dec 31, 2015, to iron out pending issues and prepare the necessary regulations.

RCEP is forged as an alliance between Asean and its six dialogue partners — Australia, China, India, South Korea, Japan and New Zealand — to create a free trade area with great potential for gains through economic cooperation.

To date, numerous free trade agreements (FTAs) and economic partnership agreements (EPAs) have been concluded between single Asean member nations and by Asean as a group with individual dialogue partners. However, the overlapping priorities, procedures and practices have reduced the effectiveness and the potential benefits of these agreements since businesses have to observe the different rules of these various arrangements while it has also increased the cost of utilising preferential concessions.

It is in that context that the Asean RCEP agreement, with its region-wide partners, has the potential to reduce the complexity arising from the current multiplicity of agreements by agreeing on a single package and focusing on Asean’s centrality in the region.

Second, RCEP would be a basis for more complementary regional integration initiatives, since the partnership is to be built on the experiences, strengths and drawbacks of the many existing FTAs and EPAs.

It is also hoped that the Asean RCEP could spur efforts to set up an FTA between China, Japan and South Korea, a prospect faced with several impediments still to be resolved. Once established on a firm footing among the three northeast Asian nations, it can certainly enhance further regional economic integration.

All these positive aspirations and moves to achieve effective regional economic integration pivot on the countries concerned strengthening their commitment to, and being ready to work towards, that very goal, both among Asean members and their dialogue partners.

And, it is here, that the decision to delay by 12 months the launching of the AEC becomes critical. In that time frame, all Asean members must make progress to fulfil and implement the agreed road map and targeted actions for the AEC. That must surely be a prerequisite for realising the broader goal of regional economic integration.

One should also keep in mind that RCEP might be perceived as a competitor to the United States-led Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP). At present, only Australia, Brunei, Malaysia, New Zealand, Singapore and Vietnam are a part of the TPP, while several other Asean members and dialogue partners, notably China, are not — a fact that could cause conflict of interests and derail effective economic integration.

Such a situation, if not clearly demarcated so that both the TPP and RCEP mutually benefit its members, could easily complicate further the existing and planned business pacts in the region, and frustrate efforts to achieve effective regional economic integration.

Malaysia, as a founding Asean member, having successful economic ties with all major countries and given its presence in both the TPP and RCEP, can and should play a key role in helping to promote the success of the AEC and the wider goal of regional economic integration, especially in the current context of a globalised economic and trading regime.

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No. Malaysia may be a founding member of ASEAN, but has institutionalized apartheid in the social economic system and is nominally Islamo-extremist and Nazi style ethnic communalist to a certain level alongside extreme religious fundo-mindsets against LGBTs and other non-Muslim entertainments. These facts render Malaysia non-viable as an ASEAN signatory until corrected. So long as Malaysia has denied the minorities and non-Muslims :

1) Freedom from Apartheid/Fascism (Article 1 Human Rights Charter)
2) Freedom from Religious-Persecution/Religious-Supremacy. (Article 18 Human Rights Charter)
3) Equality for all ethnicities and faiths in all aspects of policy, Law and Constitution. (Surah An Nisa 4:75)

Malaysia’s role in ASEAN will be limited and biased, value deducted and disunifying from sheer inequality of the APARTHEID of BUMIPUTRA applied against the superminority of 40% of the non-Muslim and non-Malay population.

This is supposed to be one of our 'better' less fundo Malays. England has extended far too much courtesy to this sorry specimen.

This is supposed to be one of our ‘better’ less fundo ‘more liberal’ Malays. England has extended far too much courtesy and spotlight to this duplicituous sorry specimen of humanity while ignoring worthier Malaysian citizens.


The women haters in Parliament – November 28, 2012

NOV 28 — So, we now have rules in Parliament to stop lawmakers from saying sexist things.

You can stop them saying sexist things but it doesn’t change their mentality. It doesn’t change the fact that both Umno and PAS have chauvinists in their ranks who demean women with their words and actions.

It’s not just Kinabatangan boor Datuk Bung Mokhtar Radin. Let’s not forget PAS spiritual advisor Datuk Nik Aziz Nik Mat who said, “Padan muka kena rogol” (Serves you right for being raped).

This is also the same man who said attractive women shouldn’t work as they can get husbands, unlike their “uglier” brethren.

If I were to tell one of our chauvinistic MPs to his face that he hated women, he would probably reply, “Of course, not! I love women!”

Of course you do.

You love having women in your kitchen.

You love having women in your bedroom.

You love women when they tell you you’re right. When they agree with you. When they’re meek, pliable and not nearly as good at anything you do.

And when some woman tells you off for something like sexism or chauvinism, you brush her off as some “man-hating feminist.”

There’s a big difference between chauvinism and chivalry, but to some Malaysian men, they seem to be one and the same.

You don’t have to be an MP to be sexist. Take former Umno Kota Kinabalu protem head, Roselan Johar Mohamed, who is famous not because he is current chair of the BIMP-Eeaga Malaysian Business Council but for saying “If you cannot fight rape, better lay down and enjoy it.”

He claims he got that from a proverb by Confucius. I counter with a real quote from Confucius: “To subdue one’s self and return to propriety, is virtue.” Or, in other words, the right thing to do is have enough self-control to conduct yourself properly.

By that measure, too many of our politicians are very un-virtuous indeed.

It’s not just the way our male politicians talk about women but the way female politicians are treated in this country.

Why the need for separate women’s wings? Why, for instance, can’t a woman contest for leadership positions against men in our political parties?

Why must there be separate wings and positions just for the women?

Why can’t, say, a woman be the division head for Umno Selangor? Heck, why can’t a woman be the mentri besar? Why aren’t any of the mentri besar women? Where in our constitution does it specify that a woman cannot be head of state?

The reality is that sexism and chauvinism are entrenched in our local as well as political cultures. Telling our MPs to be “good boys” in Parliament isn’t enough because all our men need to be taught to acknowledge women as equals.

Sexism, like racism, is something that will never really go away. But it doesn’t mean that we can’t do our level best to fight them.

You can start small by gently reprimanding someone like Bung by saying, “That’s a sexist thing to say.”

Mentally, feel free to imagine hitting him about the head with a rolled up newspaper. Even virtue has its limits.

(The writer would like to emphasise that she suggested to “imagine” and not actually perform acts of violence, no matter how tempting.)

* The views expressed here are the personal opinion of the columnist.

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i) You can stop them saying sexist things but it doesn’t change their mentality.

Hey you can’t stop people from thinking or saying what they want ‘Erna’. 1st Amendment Rights, Voltarian FREEDOM OF SPEECH (freedom of life)!

ii) It doesn’t change the fact that both Umno and PAS have chauvinists in their ranks who demean women with their words and actions.

Doesn’t change the fact that SOME women do prefer chauvinistic men enough to ignore any incidental ‘demeaning’ of women.

iii) Why the need for separate women’s wings? Why, for instance, can’t a woman contest for leadership positions against men in our political parties?

Erna are you a Muslim? UMNO and PAS are Muslim parties, seperate wings in fact are ‘Muslim Characteristics’, even though Malays are not Muslims to begin with. If Erna needs to be apostate, Erna should leave Islam, but do not try to change Islam’s gender segregation. In time Islam will become a petty cult with the relic of gender seperation, this does not mean that Islam should change.

iv) Heck, why can’t a woman be the mentri besar? Why aren’t any of the mentri besar women? Where in our constitution does it specify that a woman cannot be head of state?

Do some work to declare Malaysia a secular state don’t compl;ain here. In Islam, the Patriarchy is dominant, if Islam is the faith of the country, all Muslims should be aware that only men are MBs or CMs.Run for politics instead of carrying b@lls on the media portals. How about Erna run as the first apostate Malay woman MP candidate who will forward a bill for MBs to be women, or declaring Malaysia a secualar state Erna?

v) The reality is that sexism and chauvinism are entrenched in our local as well as political cultures.

AND some women like things this way too. And so long as there is demand, there will be supply.

vi) Telling our MPs to be “good boys” in Parliament isn’t enough because all our men need to be taught to acknowledge women as equals.

ALL OUR MEN? Sorry Erna, women are not the same as men, or vice versa, NOR are men ‘yours’, and cannot be equals in the manner hoped for. Some women recognize this, some can’t. Are you a lesbian or a man trapped in a woman’s body Erna? Erna should have a sex change needed, or if bigendered in preference, lobby for ‘shemale’ to be included on ICs, Passports and perhaps even specil notes on birth certificates stating sex change or bigenderism.

vii) Mentally, feel free to imagine hitting him about the head with a rolled up newspaper. Even virtue has its limits.

Somone’s into rough !@#. Nice! I’d say Erna is a closet lesbian, a man in a woman’s body (too many male hormones in food?), or (secretly?) wants to be dominated by a ‘Bung-like’ man.

viii) You love women when they tell you you’re right. When they agree with you. When they’re meek, pliable and not nearly as good at anything you do.

Some do some don’t. And as the song goes ‘ There’s someone for everyone . . .’ So stop picking on actually meek, pliable and ditzy women who are the raison d’etre of misogynistic men as much as meek, as much as pliable and ditzy women posing as such to seek the love of men they like even if these men are on the mental plane chauvinists! Some gaps in logic? Love and marriage is that nuanced, harems polygamous and polyandrous included . . . try the below link for some pretty normal looking polygamous families.

Under the correct circumstances, or without the right backers, the state would haul Erna up and decide Erna was insane and needed to be medicated the rest of Erna’s life. How absolutist can anyone get and without thinking through the above facts if not merely being a feminist demogogue intent on limiting the myriad forms of expression in marriage?


Govt wants more Chinese to join ‘Tukar’ project – Wednesday, 28 November 2012 16:08

BERA – The government has tasked two cooperatives to get more Chinese traders to participate in the Retail Shop Transformation Project (Tukar) which has attracted less than 10 per cent of entrepreneurs from the community so far, Domestic Trade, Cooperatives and Consumerism Minister Datuk Seri Ismail Sabri Yaakob said here.

The government had also provided an allocation of RM8 million to the cooperatives – Koperasi Jaya Diri Malaysia Bhd and Koperasi Peralihan Usahawan Bersatu Cina – to do the job, which involved disseminating information on the project in Chinese to the targeted traders, he said.

Ismail Sabri said Chinese traders were reluctant to participate in the project because they could not obtain clear explanation of the project.

“We hope the two cooperatives will help disseminate the relevant information on Tukar in Chinese dialects to the traders for them to better understand the project,” he told reporters after a dialogue with Chinese traders in Triang, here, yesterday.

Tukar is one of 13 Entry Point Projects under the Economic Transformation Programme to modernise 500 small retailers and co-operatives by the end of the year.

Ismail Sabri said it was not necessary for traders joining the Tukar project to sell only 1Malaysia products at their outlets as they could also sell other goods.

“The management of the business is upgraded under the Tukar project to be more systematic,” he said.

– Bernama

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Wednesday, 28 November 2012 20:00 posted by VQiong

Only opportunistic MCA cadre participated. No honourable Chinese will take up the offer.


Muhyiddin: We are just and fair to all races – Wednesday, 28 November 2012 16:14

DYSFUNCTIONAL STATE- Pakatan alienating each other, stoking racial hatred

KUALA LUMPUR: UMNO’S track record of being a just and fair party to all races compares favourably with the dysfunctional state governments ruled by Pakatan Rakyat since the 2008 general election.

Umno deputy president Tan Sri Muhyiddin Yassin said Pakatan leaders, so used to stoking racial sentiments and religious extremism, had alienated each other in states under its rule.

He said a deep mistrust, racial and religious chasm and differing ideologies and political beliefs could seal Pakatan’s fate.

In a rousing speech at the joint opening of the Wanita, Youth and Puteri delegates’ conference last night ahead of the party’s annual general assembly, Muhyiddin said:

“In Penang, DAP refuses to share power with Pas which has only one representative in the state assembly. Until today, none of the Pas members has been appointed as state executive council members.

“DAP went to the extent of appointing a Parti Keadilan Rakyat representative to handle the state religious portfolio although it knew that Pas was more qualified.

“Similarly in Kedah, the sole DAP assemblyman was not appointed as an exco in the Pas-ruled state while in Selangor, a Pas exco member and a DAP exco member had once clashed over the enforcement of Islamic laws in the PKR-led state.”

Muhyiddin added Pakatan’s win in the last general election served, therefore, as “a blessing in disguise for Barisan Nasional because it exposed its inability to work with each other”.

He said power sharing among opposition leaders “had never existed” because of mistrust.

As for Umno, the deputy prime minister said the party continued to protect the interests of all races.

“Umno has never discriminated against any race in its struggles for the Malays and Islam in the last 66 years.”

In an indirect reference to PKR’s de facto leader, Muhyiddin hit out at “an opposition leader” whom he said had requested help from a foreign country to oversee the electoral process.

“He is telling lies to the whole world that our election process is not clean. This is treason and a dirty tactic by a desperado.”

He said Malaysia under the BN administration had never reneged on its power-sharing promises in governing the country.

He also called on party members to give their all in the final lap before the general election.

“As party frontliners, Wanita, Pemuda and Puteri are the workhorses (pasukan tahan lasak). Go to all corners of the country and the cities, traverse valleys and the rivers, uphold our struggles and, God willing, we will parade our victory torch (in the general election).”

– New Straits Times

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Muhyiddin: We are just and fair to all races.

NO, BN and UMNO are not just or fair to all races. Muhyiddin is not fair to all races. There is no justice or fairness without :

1) Freedom from Apartheid/Fascism (Article 1 Human Rights Charter)
2) Freedom from Religious-Persecution/Religious-Supremacy. (Article 18 Human Rights Charter)
3) Equality for all ethnicities and faiths in all aspects of policy, Law and Constitution. (Surah An Nisa 4:75)


NO EXCUSES: Rescind immediately invitation to Sri Lanka president – PKR tells Najib – Monday, 26 November 2012 08:39

We view with serious concerns the Malaysian government’s invitation to Sri Lankan President Mahinder Rajapaksa to attend the 8th World Islamic Economic Forum from December 4 to 6 (despite the latest report that he may not be attending).

This invitation is certainly disgraceful and outrageous as President Mahinda Rajapaksa is a suspected war criminal for mass atrocities committed by the Sri Lankan army including the massacres of Tamil civilians and captured LTTE fighters, targeted shelling of civilians, rape, sexual assault, abuse and murder. In April 2011, a UN expert report concluded that as many as 40,000 people were killed in the final weeks of the war between the LTTE and government forces.

Although Malaysia is not a party to the Rome Statute that established the International Criminal Court (ICC), on 9 February, 2009 the government in its presentation at the Universal Periodic Review (UPR) at the UNHRC stated that “Malaysia has undertaken a detailed study and held consultations to study the legal implications arising from the provisions of the Rome Statute. Despite several concerns, Malaysia is fully committed to the principles and the establishment of the ICC and their integrity.”

We therefore urge the Malaysian government to rescind the invitation to President Mahinda Rajapaksa as this invitation would send damaging signals to victims of mass atrocity in Sri Lanka and globally, Sri Lankan refugees worldwide including in Malaysia, and undermine Malaysia’s credibility on issues of justice and the principles of the ICC.

Johari Abdul is the PKR Member of Parliament for Sungei Petani

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Another stupido. Won’t address apartheid in Malaysia but attacks Sri Lanka. PKR might be racist as well! Vote 3rd Force!


Traffic Fines In Malaysia Excessive – by @AgreeToDisagree –

Seatbelts not fastened, but do we really want to be fined? Get the 222 MPs to remove the fine! If any driver wants to die in an accident from not wearing seatbelts (which is not likely in slow paced jammed up roads in the cities), thats their right to do so.

But fining people only profiteers off the citizens! RM150 is EXCESSIVE especially from this sort of ‘victimless traffic offence’ thing. Was anyone hurt because the driver was not wearing a seatbelt? Was the driver driving quickly? Was the driver doing so many maneuvers with the car that needed a seatbelt to be worn? So the driver without seatbelt on might just be enjoying a sense of FREEDOM and not being bound into a seat to better enjoy a car ride while NOT being criminal minded. WHY does the traffic code need to be so invasive and consider this a crime? Who wrote the code? Also consider that a person who earns less than 1500 a month and barely saves 150 a month is effectively being bled to death by this sort of fine for a traffic offence.

I strongly suggest that 1% of salaries by applied for fining, and NO FINE by applied for those not currently working. This means that a 1000.00 earner pays 10.00 for a traffic offence, with 3% and 10% being levied for more serious or dangerous offences. Just wait till I get my MP’s seat, prepare for MASSIVE overhauls of the system, so are we ready to vote and run for election alongside moi on this issue at least?

Percentage of salary based fines and bails (which seem to all say one thing – the rich are immune to justice and do not feel the pain of fines . . . ) BTW, the officer was ‘kind’ enough to offer to ‘ignore’ the 150 fine for a 50 ‘duit kopi’, but even though moi could have put the money to better use, some of us would rather pay the full 150 than encourage bribery and corruption in the police force. BUT BECAUSE some of us also do not believe in destroying a civil servants life with a brownnoser style report, I’ll leave the reporting of the bribery issue alone (no bribe paid anyway) and take on the state instead by running for candidacy (by proxy perhaps) simply to lower those damn fines or even amend the criminal codes as well. Whats the point of this sort of shameless profiteering?

Oh and the wheel clamp fine by police is excessive also, 50.00? What a waste of time and productivity, citizens may have slower traffic but saving money and time making trips to the payment counter makes for a happier citizen likelier to vote for the existing government. Plastic bags 0.20 cents? 0.05 cents more likely! To inform, out of sheer spirit some citizens hit with fines may not want to riot or turn cop-killers, but they sure as hell will try to screw the system if  the system screws them. Whos’s with the 99% in screwing back the system by making fines salary based through forcing MPs to assent to the above by voting someone else? Lets amend the criminal code by kicking out the BN and Pakatan MPs! End the APARTHEID of BUMIPUTRA! BN and Pakatan look set to not grant :

1) Freedom from Apartheid/Fascism (Article 1 Human Rights Charter)
2) Freedom from Religious-Persecution/Religious-Supremacy. (Article 18 Human Rights Charter)
3) Equality for all ethnicities and faiths in all aspects of policy, Law and Constitution. (Surah An Nisa 4:75)

;so why should we vote them and their 23K salaries? 99% are we ready to vote 3rd Force? Lets LOWER all MP salaries and traffic fines, ditch the Hudud elements in the criinal code ESPECIALLY for non-Muslims and by Human Rights ALLOW Muslims who really want to have Article 18 of the Human Rights Charter their right to exercise what the rest of HUMANITY can!

5 Articles on Gaming, Prostitution and Organic Psychedelics – reposted by @AgreeToDisagree – late January 2012

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‘What are they waiting for?’ – Andrew Sagayam and Joseph Kaos Jr – 23rd June 2011

Deputy minister blasts police ‘inaction’ on Brickfields vice with arrests of drug-pusher cops

KUALA LUMPUR: Things have come to a head for Deputy Federal Territories and Urban Wellbeing Minister Datuk M. Saravanan who fired a salvo of criticisms at the police for an apparent lack of commitment to clean up Brickfields’ infamous vice activities. He did not mince his words when he said it was high time the police used their powers to “end the menace”. “If everyone else is doing their job, the police should too. They (the police) have the power to put an end to this menace once and for all. What are they waiting for?” he told The Malay Mail. Saravanan’s frustrations had boiled over on the back of a revelation that six cops were recently detained after being caught for alleged drug dealing in Brickfields. It was believed the policemen could be linked to syndicates running vice operations there. The incident had confirmed residents’ worst fear that the very involvement of the men in blue in their neighbourhood’s drug business clearly explained why illegal activities continued to flourish unabated there despite concerted efforts by relevant authorities, including the Kuala Lumpur City Hall, to shut them down.

Following the drug bust, City police had pledged to find out if other cops were involved from the six detained. Saravanan said the police had to act or they would find themselves being accused of “protecting” the place for their own interest. Raids ineffective He said City Hall and other enforcement bodies, such as the Immigration Department and Royal Customs Department, were doing what was required of them to tackle Brickfields’ vice activities, but not the police. “The raids conducted by police are not enough. City Hall is always conducting checks and monitoring the area. I have personally instructed them to keep an eye on Brickfields every day. “All authorities concerned must be serious about combating crime there. It is certainly a setback to all efforts if those entrusted with ridding the area of these vice menaces are also involved in crime.

“The police have to be more effective in their operation. They must conduct more raids.” Saravanan said City Hall had been told to contact the police whenever it discovered illegal activities there. His call for the cops to step up their game was echoed by Lembah Pantai Member of Parliament Nurul Izzah Anwar who said the authorities needed to have a “clear and coherent” strategy in curbing social ills there.

The Paper That Cares (yeah right but whatever lol) had, in a series of reports over the past year, highlighted the free-for-all vice activities that had been taking place in Brickfields for years. Residents claimed lack of enforcement contributed to it while some questioned why police seemed reluctant to rid the area of its bad image. THE police have pledged to raid all illegal outlets in Brickfields after getting more information from six policemen nabbed for selling heroin there. City narcotics chief ACP Kang Chez Chiang told The Malay Mail the State police would not wait for Brickfields police to carry out the raids if they had obtained information on drug activities there. “We can conduct operations in the district. As long as we have gathered enough details, be in on our own or from the public, we will carry out raids.”

On the six detained, Kang said they were checking if the group was involved in other illegal activities. “The six were actively operating in Jalan Klang Lama, Kuchai Lama and Brickfields areas since early this year. We are still investigating to what extent was their involvement in illegal activities in the district. “We are officers of the law and as narcotics policemen, we are supposed to keep drugs off the streets, not being involved with syndicates and selling them.” Last Friday, a KL Narcotics Department team detained the six, who were attached with the Sri Petaling police station, in separate operations following a public tip-off. The first policeman was detained in the evening in Jalan Kuchai Lama for possessing 220grammes of heroin. In a follow-up operation, another cop was nabbed with 48g of heroin in Brickfields.

The other four were arrested later that day. All six, who are in their late 20s and early 30s, have been remanded for seven days from June 18. Two were detained under Section 39B of the Dangerous Drugs Act 1952 while the rest, who tested positive for drugs, were held under Section 31 of the Drug Dependents (Treatment and Rehabilitation) Act 1983. If convicted, the suspects would not only face court sentences but police disciplinary action as well as possible dismissal from the force. Kang said the five lance corporals and a corporal told their superiors they resorted to selling drugs to “make ends meet”.

The Malay Mail learnt they each earned about RM2,500 a month from pushing heroin. MP: Deal with Little India menace KUALA LUMPUR: It is high time the authorities step up their game and deal with the problem of social ills in Brickfields. That was the call by Lembah Pantai Member of Parliament Nurul Izzah Anwar.

Referring to the incessant problem of prostitution, drugs and snatch theft in Kuala Lumpur’s “Little India”, Nurul Izzah said the authorities need to have a “clear and coherent” strategy in solving the problem. She also said the Federal Territories and Urban Wellbeing Ministry’s statement that “social ills will suffer a natural death” with the redevelopment Brickfields was an “irresponsible way of looking at it”. “I’ve mentioned before that this issue needs to be settled in a holistic manner. You need to have a clear and coherent strategy. This has to be taken seriously,” the Parti Keadilan Rakyat vice-president told The Malay Mail.

Nurul Izzah cited the relocation of the Brickfields district police headquarters to Sri Petaling as proof that the authorities were not taking the matter of social ills in Brickfields seriously. “They’ve removed the police station to elsewhere and until today I’ve not heard any justification from the ministry on why it was relocated.

“They’ve removed the police station and I’ve not heard any justification from the ministry on why it was relocated.” Highlights OVER the past year, The Malay Mail had been highlighting the long-time shady activities of Brickfields in support of the Federal Territories and Urban Wellbeing Ministry’s efforts to reinvigorate the area as a tourist attraction. Eager to rid the enclave of its vice haven image, the government branded it as Kuala Lumpur’s ‘Little India’. The ministry’s deputy minister, Datuk M. Saravananm had been calling for police to be more proactive in cleaning up the area, as highlighted in our report on July 12. Last December, Saravanan had reiterated the ministry would go all out to eradicate vice activities in Brickfields to rid its infamous red light image. He had said rapid development in the area would see a natural death for vice after its final redevelopment phase this year. Acting on this promise, the ministry and City Hall demolished eight vice dens in Brickfields in a joint operation against brothels.

Checks by The Paper That Cares just 48 hours later revealed the vice activities to be operating as usual, with even two new brothels opened in Jalan Sultan Abdul Samad. On June 10, we reported how Brickfields stubbornly remained a stronghold for immoral activities despite continuous and concerted efforts by the authorities. Three days later, we reported Federal Territories and Urban Wellbeing Minister Datuk Raja Nong Chik Raja Zainal Abidin as saying challenges in Little India’s redevelopment project included non-governmental organisations in Brickfields having different views on how the area should be developed.

***Commentator Response by @pantherking

Imagine if the Indian PM is reading these news concerning Brickfields. He was shown and presented with this so called Little India of Malaysia when he visited Malaysia. This pride of the Malaysian Indian community is also a symbol of the multi-culturalism of Malaysian politics based on tolerance above all else. Imagine his embarrassment now if he finds out that this place is actually a vice-den by night and prostitution and sale of drugs are the number one economic activities after nightfall!! On top of this, our proud police force actually has a hand in perpetuating this problem as some of the Anti-Narcotics officers also make this area their own for the purpose of dealing in drugs to “make ends meet” as if they are not being paid properly by the government for doing their duties.

Doesn’t take a genius to figure out why the Brickfields police department have never been keen to send their guys over to investigate all these illegal activities simply because some of their officers are also working part-time for drugs and vice syndicates!! What a disgrace to the force!! If the PDRM wants more respect from the public they must recognise that the number of rotten apples within their ranks seems to be getting bigger and bigger and that more must be done to throw these rotten apples into the rubbish bin! Submitted by pantherking on Thursday, June 23rd, 2011.

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Response to @pantherking : Unlike you, @pantherking, the police have COMMON SENSE and STREET SMARTS. They are not cloistered in your unreal snooty world of religious or social class selfishness/self-consciousness/discrimination. The lower class expressions of humanity will always have a place and the police being REAL people of the world have the sympathy and appreciation of what diversity and colour (also pulse of life) that such things bring.

You can’t charge in like a Thai police Colonel and start murdering people. In fact look at Pattaya Walking Street and Netherlands’ Organics bars. NEAR PERFECTION for consideration in terms of entertainment capitals, and the police perfect too for their consideration for Brickfields denizens have displayed their exceptional grasp of reality as well – don’t condemn because you don’t understand.

I’d even have a few more alleyways (how does a series of underpasses sound to ya?) built just to ensure the underbelly of KL is that much stronger so that the OVERBELLY (which is what others are and the middle and upper classes strive to be) is able to thrive. Without darkness there can be no concept of light. And this commentator above calls himself Pantherking? More like lily white coloured Mr.Bigglesworth. ‘Kaos’ Jr should also rename himself ‘Order’ Jr. Presence of RLDs and organic psychedelics sales outlets do not even constitute chaos and are quite tepid and sedentary entertainments overall.

Leave our RLDs, organic psychedelics and nightlife venues alone fool! Any independent MPs ready to take up the task of legalisation of RLDs and Organic psychedelics (not synthetics due to the ‘permanent damage’ effect, while organics are much like alcohol perhaps less damaging than alcohol as well) at least? The Malay Mail though is correct in condemning heroin as this is a concentrated form of Opium (an organic psychedelic) that is as dangerous as synthetics.

Opium and Heroin compared by @prospero :

Opium and Heroine are definitely different, but I think Opium is SO much better. Though the feel-good effect of heroin may be stronger, there’s so much going on with Opium – psychedelic dreams while you’re still awake, the feeling that time, your brain, and in fact the whole world has stopped, subtle but very strange and uniquehallucinations, the list goes on.

The insular oppressives, weak and narrow minded are the ones disturbing ‘the peace’. These are NOT social ills. They are adult entertainments and a Human Right, though not favoured or used by all, but still must be given a place simply because these exist by ‘Gods’ will. Leave the Red Light District or Organic psychedelics district alone, or better yet LEGALISE it. Or will someone need to step forward to take over where the current MP has failed?

Nurul (an ‘Adult Services Unfriendly’ product of political nepotism in PKR – Pakatan Rakyat has 50% unvotable MPs and Assemblymen due to nepotism, don’t you the ordinary citizen defer to them or be too lazy to challenge NEPOTISM and OLIGARCHY) is VERY selfish to people who entertain themselves with these psychedelics and games. You don’t use the services and games, fine. But some of us do use or at least appreciate diversity, so don’t just dismiss lightly what people want to do and think only about your own (Muslim) preferences and condemn the police who know the difference that you do not. We hate selfish inward looking people who want to prevent others having fun.

While at it, legalise mahjong, domino, dice, and card casinos to a reasonable degree in proper places to. These casino games should not be considered ILLEGAL but a non-Muslim entertainment as well. It is heart breaking to see these games available ONLY on computer (just so childish), and believe me these computer outlets are EVERYWHERE. just legalise, including the RLDs for adult services. Tabik hormat antara polis dan orang ‘Kongsi’. And Rempits/Minahs, a little more Kamen Rider and a little less Samseng where applicable too. Will that independent MP step forward to challenge the socialised oppression of adult Human Rights?

***Commentary : This comment was not allowed in Malaymail Online Magazine. While a good media option, Malaymail has displayed at this time a censorship of opinions of people differing in opinion of their own. Dictatorship takes many forms. And this trend has just infected Malaymail. Think Voltaire, Malaymail, and reconsider posting my comment. Moral Fundamentalism via censorship of comments is no different from any other extremism or intolerance and discrimination, in this case against Sex Workers and the Adult Industry and it’s Activists and Supporters. Zone and legalise in appropriate districts.

Prostitution factory in Meru for foreign workers – Monday, 30 January 2012 14:01

A FACTORY building in a small and medium enterprise (SME) industrial area in Meru, near Klang, has become a prostitution den with girls in their teens being used to lure foreign workers in the area.

Dubbed the “prostitution factory” by residents, the den is said to have been in operation for three years, reported Kosmo! Ahad.

The operators, who use closed-circuit TV cameras to scan visitors, have barred local men from entering. The clients are largely from Bangladesh, Nepal, Vietnam and Myanmar, and the women providing them the sexual service are said to be Indonesians.

A Nepalese worker interviewed by the paper said he had been there three times and to his knowledge the place had never been raided by any enforcement authority.

Jay, 25, said he came to know about the place from a friend, adding that customers can only enter the building through the back door and they must give their name and nationality to a guard there.

“We then choose a girl of our liking and the guard, who is Nepalese, would fix a price for her services,” he said, adding the rate depended on the age of the girl and ranges from RM50 to RM100 per session.

Responding to the issue, International Islamic University sociologist Prof Dr Fatimah Daud said many foreigners had left their wives in their homeland to work here and operators of such dens exploit these men who need to have their sexual needs met.

> TWO brothers, aged 13 and 15, shocked residents of Kampung Sealine in Miri, Sarawak, when they were found to be part of a teenage gang that had stolen at least RM30,000 worth of goods in a spate of robberies over the past month.

More shocking, the younger boy said they were taught to steal by their elder brother, aged 18, who is said to be the group’s mastermind, reported Metro Ahad.

The two young boys were caught when they attempted to break into a neighbour’s house at about 1.30pm on Saturday.

Their arrests led police to pick up four other gang members as well as a 34-year-old Indonesian man who allegedly bought the stolen goods from them.


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Legalize the whole profession and introduce price controls commensurate to the earnings of the customer. These are men and they need to feel strong and virile to give their best for the work they do here in Malaysia.

How could you deprive such an important and natural source of fun and relaxation for them? Their thoughts will not be on work if they have no outlets for their natural expressions. This is a human rights abuse if anything. Legalize the adult industry via RLD zones, which will also benefit the locals as well.

Exchange on the comments section – still available as of this date from cache . . . Malaymail has removed the page but it is reposted below :

‘Little India’ still big on vice – Submitted by Najiah on Monday, December 27th, 2010 – IKRAM ISMAIL

NEW LOOK, OLD PROBLEMS: Sex trade giving Brickfields a bad name
BRICKFIELDS: Residents and business owners in ‘Little India’ feel the government should do more to make the place vice-free, especially at the red-light area of Jalan Thambipillay. When The Malay Mail checked the area on Nov 23, we saw prostitutes and pimps openly soliciting for customers, many of whom were foreigners.

This was a far cry from the vice-free scenario in late October when Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Razak and his Indian counterpart, Manmohan Singh, visited the area.

Long-time Brickfields resident Goh Ah Moi, 76, said Jalan Thambipillay had been a haven for prostitution since the 1970s.

“The red-light area used to be at Jalan Scott but when the old buildings there made way for redevelopment, the vice activities moved to Jalan Thambipillay,” said Goh, who moved here in 1955 soon after getting married. Her husband passed away in 1987 and she now lives with her daughter.

“In my 55 years here, I have witnessed about 50 vice raids. If the government is serious about restoring the reputation of Brickfields, they should demolish the old buildings in Jalan Thambipillay. It’s as simple as that.” S. Gunasegaran, 51, was ashamed of the sordid image Brickfields had become.

“Last week, when my sister and nephew from Johor Baru visited me, I advised them not to walk along Jalan Thambipillay as they would be approached by prostitutes and pimps,” said Gunasegaran who runs a pub here since 1990. “Tearing down brothels is not effective as the culprits always return. The government should take over the old shoplots and redevelop them into places for legitimate businesses.”

Rahman Hussain, 67, a former Brickfields resident who had since moved to London, England, said the government should eradicate vice activities in the area.

“It can be achieved if the authorities work with residents and property owners,” said Rahman who left Malaysia a quarter century ago.

On July 11, Federal Territories and Urban Wellbeing Deputy Minister, Datuk M. Saravanan, said Brickfields would be “vice-free” by year-end. He said the government wanted to improve the image of Brickfields as KL’s ‘Little India’, adding that the transformation of Brickfields had several stages and the first stage was to relocate hawkers, including illegal ones. In early October, when The Malay Mail accompanied Saravanan on a spot-check to Brickfields, he was repeatedly solicited by prostitutes and pimps.

READ: Vice will be stamped out after Brickfields’ Little India revamp is complete
READ: Minister gets sexual invites during Brickfields visit
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A proper zone in all major cities encompassing a street or few should be designated where the sex workers, pimps (cool hats!) and madams are allowed to solicit. This should not be considered vice as long as participating parties are both consensual and not trafficked or coerced and is an organic way to prevent society from becoming too fragmented by fear of horny men, feminists or broken marriages, even prevent incest. Give the libido it’s proper place. Young (or stingy) men are healthier or happier (a more productive and happier society) with easily available sex (from lower class women of beauty but no upward mobility) and this in fact will prevent false courtships to obtain sex, separate the libidinous from the morbid (or religious), and will mean marriages will be longer lasting and more meaningful when they do occur. For those who have their own religious convictions, to each his own, so for Muslims or certain faith denominations, these will certainly be off limits in their respective communities. And because some people can’t afford to hire (middle class) outcall escorts or want privacy i.e. prefer not to deal with Madams or Pimps, prefer not to share but want to support a dedicated kept mistress (upper class or women at the end of their youth, sometimes with good education to cater for the sensitivities of companionship of the upper classes), or can afford a wife (probably for love, though some for status, education being unimportant especially for poorer but good families), or even a 2nd, 3rd, or 4th wife (should institute for non-Muslims too), the lower end adult services industry will always thrive. While already overcharging (value for money dictates that a blue collar worker’s 8 hours of work is worth far more than 1 session of sex – so don’t get conned young guys, pay no more than 1 third of a day’s work if you are no fool), adult services really should also have a proper designated zone. Posing as a massage parlour or other business is pathetic and speaks volumes about Malaysia’s sex negativity and extreme moral policing. Legislate those Red Light Districts and give better definition to society and thus strengthen the family unit. It’s all too grey and opportunist based as it is now. Liberalise and emancipate, open choices for those inclined, while ensuring everything has a proper space. Adds variety and colour as well. Note : Replace all male terms with female terms and vice versa (or LGBT terms) if so inclined. – Submitted by AgreeToDisagree on Monday, December 27th, 2010.

‘Agreetodisgree’, I honestly respect your disgreement with the definition of free will, especially when u don’t believe Allah in the 1st place. I was just trying to tell u that recognizing vice officially or allowing even 1 of u to tell public that u do it/allowed to do it or even suggesting, is against our culture since we believe that it will lead us to destruction, degradatin of humanity, dishonour of women dignity, our mother/sister/daughter, u and me. Many of my writings have not made here too so u might wan na take it offline tru sedarlah at gmail dot com. – Submitted by muslim on Monday, January 3rd, 2011.

Regulating so that those who do actually participate is not asking ti to be recognized as allowed in Islam. However the non-Muslim community that does use or participate in adult services need regulation to PROTECT them. In this case though, to further assure that Muslims will not come into contact with the adult services industry (as in gambling or pork or alcohol) I further suggest that zoned areas be monitored by non-Muslim non Malay police as well. In fact other than to ensure that unmarried persons (those divorcees, with deceased spouses but not wishing to get married or have emotional commitment again, bachelors or sexually mature teens) and persons with spouses unwilling (we do know that childbirth changes a woman sometimes), or at least spouses who do not mind (and even appreciate the lack of sexual pressure), foreigners from outside Malaysia have access to sexual outlets in a fun a pleasurable environment.

I do not advocate any good family’s women or married women to participate, and bid that only those with :

1) uncertain futures from impoverished backgrounds from the lower social strata without access to expensive educations or limited quota scholarships
2) no family reputation to uphold (i.e. orphans who’s parents treated them as accidents *BUT NOT* ALIENATED children)
3) suffering from uncommon libidos, or conditions such as nyphomania or satyriasis
4) spouses with weak constitutions or constitutions weaker than that of the husband’s or wife’s
5) during late stage pregnancy
6) anyone who so happens to feel most at home in a sexualized environment and wants to make a living of it
7) foreign women from 3rd world countries who intend to remit funds back home to support their families

Everyone else, especially the HAPPILY married (unless unable to cope etc.) should not patronize the Red Light District at all but this cannot be a lw though a divorce on the basis of a husand using sex services is ridiculous. Some husbands need to have sex very ofetn and some wives don’t want to. This is where the sex worker comes in when the husband does not have the money for a few wives but can afford occasional sex worker visits. Destruction of society will not occur, in fact pensions should be mooted for those who have served a number of years, medical checks and even in-area Medical personnel could be assigned to overlook the area. It should not be considered degrading either as it is another form of culture (like fan-idol concerts or sports), though not ‘high culture’ for certain.

It is interesting and diverse, a place to relax NOT anything else as you fear. It is not devilish, it is HUMANISH. As a species, biologically we need to breed, and to prevent overpopulation, such outlets actually keep numbers down while affording a sense of intimacy as well. It is not reasonable to deny anyone, especially a non-Muslim to access intimacy (it is not 100% about sex, quite companionship also) in a public setting, entirely zoned away from Muslims. There would be alot of less frustrated people making society a psychologically (and aura-wise) difficult place.

Personally I am also disinclined to patronage of such places due to social background and personal preference (not like sharing, more into polygamy haha) considerations, but do want others to be able to access for convenience. Yet you will certainly see me there, enjoying the atmosphere, gathering inspiration for literary works, art photography etc.. and not judging or belittling others. It’s all about diversity and holistic governance. People need ‘unmarried’ sex or multiple sex partners or persons who do not demand a relationship to begin with. And this again will be strictly for non-Muslims AND in a cordoned area. Of course there are so many that APPEAR like goats but better in a controlled environment than no outlet at all. They would end up as predators eventually, or waste far too much money travelling outside Malaysia for a simple service and that would have been averted simply with the legalisation of adult services industry and a proper red-light zone.

I can’t imagine how poorer or less emotionally invested Muslims keep their libidos in check or manage to keep all wives happy, but then again to each his own, and in this I think there will be not much difference in society at all, excepting some very wide smiles on some weary faces. This has been a very meaningful discussion, I hope the government (or a future candidate in Brickfields) will take the points in this exchange into consideration to Emancipate the Libidos of non-Muslims in Malaysia. @muslim and all the other pious peoples, we walk separate paths but we can also always be friends and relegate our differences to the separate districts I propose. – Submitted by AgreeToDisagree on Tuesday, January 4th, 2011.

Its getting to be boring here when people turned this column into viva voce for phd examinations or academic, political and religious polemics. this is not the battle ground for semantics or pseudo intellectualism,…… come on…life is too short, lets enjoy a few mugs of toddy and visit brickfield with saravanan….(p/s dont forget to bring yr rm40 for service charge) – Submitted by GOUNDAMANI on Saturday, January 1st, 2011.

That’s the spirit! Life’s too short, but this is best enjoyed when legal. If you run for candidacy in Brickfields, do tell me where your campaign is! Or vice versa haha. Like bulls we will charge . . . come to think of it how about *Bullfighting* in Malaysia eh? Get some matadors over here from Spain! – Submitted by AgreeToDisagree on Tuesday, January 4th, 2011.

Your definition of free will has flaw and is going to lead to destruction of humanity, and most probably not god-given. Allah gave a better definition of free will, for both muslim and not, u and me, faithful or not, ALL MANKIND. He said we are given two path, one lead to wellbeing and the other to destruction/hell. It is about hereafter. Nonetheless, Islam won’t force you to embrace/believe it and never lead to monoculture. But trust me, its teaching is proven historically. It’s already been academically debated in numerous journals/books. So read quran which is easily available in webs and bookstore, to both muslim and not, u and me, EVERYONE. Then u may learn to give muslims the space, and not try to suggest to encroach our life. Islam doesn’t force u to repent and read quran, it’ just my advise as a preacher/da’e. Please also have respect to > 50% of pop here, to official religion. Your suggestion is disrespectful. -sedarlah di gmail titik com – Submitted by muslim on Wednesday, December 29th, 2010.

hi @muslim,

Well Allah’s view on free will was relevant to the culture the Prophet came from, and indeed under those desert conditions without much technology, it very well could lead to destruction of humanity. Outside of that region and environment of course the situation would certainly be different that is why non-Muslims developed very different cultures being in different environments. Two path, one lead to wellbeing and the other to destruction/hell could be applicable to some, depending on the moderation in usage for what is considered haram to Muslims. Some people however do have their weaknesses and being non-Muslim are not bound to follow Hadiths as well.

Teaching may have been proven historically, but conditions are different, cultures are different. It’s already been academically debated in numerous journals/books but always in the context of Arabian and Islamic culture and not the rest of the world. That is why it may not apply to everyone everywhere else.

@muslim said : Then I may learn to give muslims the space, and not try to suggest to encroach our life. Well in every instance I have advocated keeping anything haram away from Muslims and in consideration of naturalised migrants, evven as some Malays have gone to any foreign country still practice their faith., Also that Islam itself was imported from the Middle East and subsumed Nusantaran Animism, what I suggest will not encroach on Muslims at all because only non-Muslims wil have access?

@muslim said : Islam doesn’t force u to repent and read quran, it’ just my advise as a preacher/da’e.

Thank you for keeping me informed on this choice which is also your duty. Proselytizing is best done on invitation though. Please also have respect to > 50% of pop here, to official religion.

The mention of population percentage defeats the principle of free will for those who are not Muslims, especially if they do not intend to encroach and have taken all reasonable measures to keep the 2 differing and incompatible worlds separate. To keep everything separate and disallowing Muslims into the ‘Haram’ Zones should be enough. It will in no way encroach and as the lands of the world belongs to all men after all, it would be wrong to deprive any entertainments deemed haram to non-Muslims who are not bound by the Hadiths correct?

@muslim said : Your suggestion is disrespectful. -sedarlah di gmail titik com

There was none intended, and the point was to access anything considered Haram in a manner away from Muslims. To have access to what non-Muslim cultures consider as just another facet of the diversity of life is a Human Right of any who are not Muslim. This exercise of this right should not be considered disrespectful especially if care is taken to keep such things away from Muslims. Please do not say non-Muslims are disrespectful when they exercise their rights of God given free will, also do not resent them if their actions are Haram or different from as the Quran advises. They have nothing against Islam and are not bound by Hadiths as they are not Muslims. I also resent the disrespect implied in calling me disrespectful. PC is so lacking in some faiths and cultures.

Think of my suggestion as a very large private home with internal roads (much like Genting or even those little 4D shops or places of worship where much runs counter to Islamic practice. Privacy of an owner is respected in Islam, what the non-Muslim people do in their home is their business.

We walk a different path and bear you no hatred and pay no heed to any differences and preference that neither should impose, in the interest of neutral shared Earth, and God given free will, do bear us no hatred too as we carry on separate lives. I think that you know that disrespect is not my intention, so try to reconcile the differences between choice of lifestyles if you can and don’t bother about how differently we feel about the world, we can’t understand how to live such a strict life either and thanks for thoughtful reply, best wishes on your seeking of closeness to Allah too.

Malaymail, I posted this comment but did it see it posting, so here it is again, just in case it somehow did not appear or was removed by another less open minded moderator for whatever reason. – Submitted by AgreeToDisagree on Thursday, December 30th, 2010.

I was a little bit concerned too about the perception and particular remark to your earlier post. Well, thanks for taking the time to fill in this extention. About Censorship of POSTs, it exist and Big Brother is watching irrespective of Editorial bias. They know where you are the moment you log in to this site. This information is easily available thru etc etc including coercion of Malay Mail. So, be aware. – Submitted by Anonymous on Friday, December 31st, 2010.

@Anon (aka Malaymail?) Thank you for giving a clear picture on this and I empathise with the immense pressure you must feel though the conversations we are posting here are badly needed for cross civilisational understanding. All parties could gather that these same issues could very well be brought up in Parliament some time too, not out of personal immorality but as an exercise of democratic principles that really must not be seen as an incursion on our more spartan and serious god seeking fellow citizens.

Those recent raids on 31st are quite inconsiderate. Where are all the bachelor(ettes)s, ex-pats and foreign workers going to get some New Year’s ‘fun’?

The sense of entitlement to what ‘God/Allah’ has given the religious among us, needs to be tempered with recognition that ‘God/Allah’ has also given the supposedly faithless or those of different faith – free will. Man is no angel and should not be required to live as an angel – this is Earth, not Heaven. Those who have decided to follow any Prophet or other faith system, also have the choice to do so follow of course, but that does not mean others have to follow either. Perhaps use of religion an attempt to oppress even as APARTHEID itself is used to drive naturalised citizens of different ethnicity? That is in fact ‘Kiasu’ and ‘Kiabo’ Singapore type behaviour. This preacher of course may have had little time or need to consider the wider context of application of religion, he does sound like hes from a different world, which does also contribute to diversity, but has forgotten about the non-Muslims and their right to free will! I hope he likes the continuation of my post below.


. . . and most probably not god-given . . . very human and not of god for certain yes. But human beings are not angels and could never live as angels. While Muslims would try to be angels, the Quran also acknowledges the rights of non-Muslims to non-Muslim expressions like alcohol or pork or gambling. This enclosed system is much like an alcohol pub or food outlet selling pork or a hotel that caters to non-Muslim couples, an zone dedicated adult services industry would hardly be felt by Muslims at all. This would be the best way to prevent strife between differing expressions and of course assimilate Singapore via my 13 point plan as well. It is not about sequestration of land or wealth per se, but the principle of free will and democracy as applicable across the world and the desire for inclusion of Muslims in diverse societies.

I hope @muslim will consider it as ensuring free will of mankind rather than anything else. Punishment as mentioned would be by God and not by Man. Abiding by the Hadiths are the responsibilities of Muslims and Angels, not non-Muslims much less non-Muslims not of Islamic faith.

Pleasure is a human right after all, so look out for an outspoken candidate on the legality of adult industry for international zones issue, I think City Hall has just killed a large voting bloc that should pave the way for an independent candidate if the open minded among voters would consider a Little Haadyai for Emancipation of the Libido, and who knows, even a Little Netherlands for Organics – but only for non-Muslims though! Make space for everyone! – Submitted by AgreeToDisagree on Friday, December 31st, 2010.

soon Brickfields will turn into Bang Cock.. – Submitted by Rayan Ka Goling on Wednesday, December 29th, 2010.

No! No! No!…its Bang Syok…..Bricfield will one day possibly become National STD centre, National HIV centre – Submitted by GOUNDAMANI on Thursday, December 30th, 2010.

I think the proposed solution of sending all the pimps and the prostitutes to Pulau B*** etc is ticklish and short-sighted besides being easier said than done . It is like saying the same things about drug traffickers and drug addicts, just banish them to an isolated island, solve the problem. How simplistic a thought. I agree to some extent with AgreeToDisagree. Everyone has a space in this planet and so long as society can work out ways to accommodate and regulate them so that no great social upheavals could develop, it is not too bad. There are certain men who visit prostitutes and these are people who suffer certain personality disorders like wanting to control, laden with emotional rage or having an abnormal urge due to their hormonal imbalance. It’s like an addiction. Just try telling a drug addict that God is angry whenever he takes drug, it’s like asking a hardcore smoker to stop smoking! So you want all these people to be banished? Have treatment,counselling,courses,seminars by all means but simply banishing people without proper legal recourse is going the path of an uncivilised society. For the high and mighty among us, do pray that you do not develop a growth in your brain making you a sex-addict or an uncontrollable social misfit to be trampled, despised and punished by “normal” members of your society. – Submitted by anonymous on Wednesday, December 29th, 2010.

agree to disagree,thanks for your long long seedless comments. suggest you play golf with one HOLE,you can feel the different. – Submitted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 29th, 2010.

“Wish Unto Others As You Do Others Wish Unto You.” – Submitted by AgreeToDisagree on Wednesday, December 29th, 2010.

willing buyer & willing seller………vice versa. enforcement is important,also public info to the relevant authority….. – Submitted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 28th, 2010.

Prostitution, especially male is well known among the muslim countries. Simply, using religion to claim prostitution is not very intelligent argument. NO religion allows or condones Prostitution, yet it flourishes among the most conservative religioous societies. The bottom line is prostitution flourishes where there is poverty. Eradicate poverty and support more enlightened societal roles, prostitution with be challenged when there is less human suffering and misery and degradation of women. Respect the women as equal partners, then there is less chance of prostitution taking hold. Exploitation of men and women should be outlawed, and gangs attacked with laws in place to challenge them daily and reduce opportunities for soliciting along the streets and roads. In otherwords effective policing by both the community and police and samaritarians,should uplift the society morals and will to ensure the good prevails. Reading religion on its own will only produce a group of religious bigots who will be bent on creating intolerance in the society. – Submitted by EthnicMalaysian on Tuesday, December 28th, 2010.

how to stop people from screwing? it is like bolt and nut, let them be. no religion allowed prostitution. thats why adam was kicked out from heaven because of ‘forbidden food’. sometimes ‘haram food’ taste better from ‘halal food’. those who go there are adult not a child. even muslim men with more than 1 wife go there. you know why? that ‘thing’ if you look carefully is ugly but the temptation is unbearable. let them be, let it be. – Submitted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 28th, 2010.

‘Agreetodisagree’, we muslims live in obedience of the holy book quran which condemns such vice activities, against allowing it to continue happening. Your religion/faith/believe may allow you to let such practice without control but Allah knows best that those thing will disintegrate humankind, society and family values and men himself. Your theory is therefore absurd. So repent and read islam. – Submitted by muslim on Tuesday, December 28th, 2010.

Because the world, lands wealth and right to exist and express oneself, belongs to ALL MANKIND : Have absolute respect for the diversity of mankind and that can only be shown by ensuring space for EVERYONE and ALL EXPRESSIONS. Some people like halal diets and strict families in strict societies that forbid abortion and prophylactics so they have a right to spaces where lifestyles reflect their preferences. Conversely, some people like pork, alcohol and sex or even euthanasia and abortion or contraceptives, so they also have a right to demand spaces where what they prefer can be accessed as well.

So as free will is God given (and punishments for ‘personal sins’ certainly require an element of conscientious ‘non-proliferation’ especially to protect religious sensitivities), no man may forcibly impose their preferred lifestyle upon any other human being if their culture or faith or lifestyle is different, especially by force of arms or threat of jail terms and sentences which in fact oppress self determinism.

This can be as simple as placing a wall or enclosed area (google – Boy’s Town, Nuevo Laredo for an idea) so that Muslims will not have cause for concern and expand the size on when necessary. Even post religious police at entrances or exits to make sure that no Muslims enter properly zoned Red Light Districts. From what I know, Islam applies to Muslims only and not non-Muslims, so any non-Muslims are free to live their own lifestyle. Of course to be principled in approach as regards to God given free will, care should be taken by both different lifestyle sides, to not encroach or sequester unnecessarily  space for others to live their preferred lifestyles as well.

Well about repenting and reading Islam, it is rather invasive and disrespectful to challenge free will given by God, so do know that to proselytize to those of other faiths that are non-Muslim, no faiths, or lifestyle preferences, will only result in resentment and monoculture. Monoculture while convenient for the lazy minded and/or insular, creates and attenuates cultural diversity and in the comparative context of the natural bio-diversity, is necessary for social ecology to thrive with the most popular of diverse forms being the most populous. Let the your fellow human choose their own preferred lifestyle.

A real Muslim is one who joins Islam by choice, not out of social pressure, economic benefits, inculpation in childhood or simple cultural aggression or being weak willed or im[poverished that they cannot resist domination by another who willingly and in an unprincipled manner takes advantage of such weaknesses (being young and unable to form an opinion is a weakness if any) to proselytize and convert. It does not count unless that person is fully conscious and does not fall into any of the above criteria for conversion. To ensure world peace, no person should feel a greater sense of entitlement by being of a certain faith denomination, even non-faith, or wish to impose their values or faith on any other, for the very essence of the flaws as mentioned in previous paragraph in any conversion would render the convert a false convert, in this case a false Muslim.

As for eating of haram foods like alcohol and pork, or haram trade like adult industry, banking and usury, these are personal sins of Muslims and not even applicable to non-Muslims. All such acts not of the nature or intent of war against any faith and done in isolation without any link to Islam should be permitted to other faiths.

If there will be punishment in the afterlife for any actions, then to punish in this life would be ‘Spiritual Subjudice’, even more so against non-Muslims. Do not take upon yourself what is tasked to the devils tasked to punishment of sinners or you will bring hell to Earth.

As for “The solution is to get rid of pimps and prostitutes by sending them to Pulau Babi or to an isolated island with 24 hours security.” may the one who suggested this take a course on Democracy 101, Civilisation 101 or Ethics 101. This suggestion promotes rule of mob, force of arms or a violence based solution not considering the rights of fellow equals. What is wrong with you?

As for @EthnicMalaysia’s economic based view, that too is inaccurate. It is a matter as much of economics as activism on Sex Positivity, or in some cases persons with exceptional libidos that do feel the need to enter the trade at any level to both indulge themselves and or service those with no immediate access or inability to commit resources (emotional or financial) to marriage. It’s not all materialism based, and to that materialism issue, again all citizens could NOT allow Prostitution to consume society organically. How? By paying any sex worker for an unskilled service with no real innate value, no more than what a fully trained and 60-200K invested degree holder might get. Most degree holders themselves do retire slightly into the upper middle (200-500K asset) or lower upper wealth (500K-1.5M) stature at most. Should a sex worker get the same to even begin with? An insult to the truly productive people of a nation and those who got into debt taking study loans, studied so hard and paid so much for their degrees, struggled to office everyday! Of course it is also arguable that education at tertiary level should be free as well, but that will be discussed again if our MPs can rubberstamp it into reality which would truly cut out all those who are merely interested in the financial aspect of adult industry than Sex Positivity activism or emancipation of libidos per se.

To ensure society remains productive, all a sex worker deserves is a comfortable and modest retirement, so pay accordingly (i.e. no more than 1/3rd of a blue collar shift worker’s salary), otherwise society will collapse with everyone becoming sex workers out of sheer greed. That way, only those particularly inclined (i.e. libidos or suitable background – tell the next VIP’s daughter putting out at the club or looking to be a mistress to take a hike or get married simply cos you respect the VIP and society’s stability) to that sort of thing will join and thus maintain the integrity of society. Socio-sexual ethics 101.

So think in terms of Multifaith-Multiracial conditions, if a Muslim and non-Muslim were the last persons on the world, could either honestly force another or berate another into joining or leaving a religion? Hence free will which humans have as opposed to angels who do not. We who are non-Muslim have rights to out own space and expression, even as Muslims have a right to their own practices which run counter to non-Muslims. By these facts, all it takes is awareness of social structure, and a simple wall and proper buffers or sensible zoning to end all strife and allow all expressions. Unlike some people, please take consideration in my posts so that oppression does not occur and common sense prevails.

A compilation of a study of sorts from various articles could be available in print sometime, maybe discussed and edited by reasoned and esteemed proponents as Datuk Khaw Boon Pin or Dr Choong Sim Poey (if they are so inclined to participate) as well. Any others are also invited to give viewpoints on this “Socio-Sexual Ethics Study” if interested. And yet lets all understand that Hudud for consenting Muslims also represent diversity as well and is something I will certainly promote as well! Live and let live. There really is space for all on this planet. – Submitted by AgreetoDisagree on Tuesday, December 28th, 2010.

i think this posting by Agreeto disagree is stupid and nonsensical. The solution (instead) is to get rid of pimps and prostitutes by sending them to Pulau Babi or to an isolated island with 24 hours security. Here they all will have to undergo a 3 year Moral course to teach them how to behave and to do good to society. Later they will have to work in legally jobs and pay back the cost to the government for the lessons they learnt while in the isolated island. This will make others- pimps and prostitutes to stopr this stupid oldest trade in the world. Also foreign prostitutes should be jailed for a year. Then deportation. It will be a lesson to others not to indulge in such trade. Those pimps will have to be put behind bars and go for mandatory 3 years Moral course. As for those who patronised prostitutes, they too will have to pay for the course for a 6 months period. In this way in 5 years time the question of pimp or prostitutes will be a thing of the past. Law enforcement must be clean of corruption in order for this methodology to work. – Submitted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 28th, 2010.

There is some merit to AgreeToDisagree’s point of view. It may also reduce unwanted and abandoned newborns. Maybe we should study how, again, Singapore addressed the issue. It was trial and error then. When all the illegal activities were clamped down, rape and indecent assault cases propped up. Un-planned pregnancies too. No kidding. – Submitted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 28th, 2010.

This is such an emasculated country. Won’t let you hire partners to play with the fleshy guns that nature gave you, and no 2nd Amendment Rights for metallic weapon guns either. Fireworks are also illegal. No popping at all. Just lots of political ‘pooping‘. Oppressive. Meanwhile REAL men are having fun all-ways, and always, in Europe or parts of Asia and in the Middle East little kids carry AKs and Stingers or mounted weapons on their cars like warriors. Try a simple rifle based Safari for domesticated food animals and instant barbecue maybe?

These are Human Rights (so long as people don’t kill each other, if a kid can tell the difference, adults with everything to lose sure as hell should not be disallowed . . . ), so please legislate appropriately rather than oppress. Any legal panel read to take up these challenging issues? Start with the RLD and organic psychedelics ones first . . . that I believe is very close to 50% of the population (the male 50%) and voters at least . . .


Hard times drive local women to vice Monday, January 30, 2012 – 22:22 by Aizat Sharif

FROM DESTITUTION TO PROSTITUTION – Mohd Bakri Zinin revealed figures showing an increase in the number of local women busted for vice last year. Pic: Arif Kartono

KUALA LUMPUR: Financial difficulties and the lure of easy money. These are the top two reasons why Malaysian women are turning to prostitution.

Police yesterday revealed figures which showed an increase in the number of local women busted for providing sexual services to customers last year. Federal Criminal Investigations Department director Datuk Seri Mohd Bakri Zinin said the trend is worrying and advised women not to be easily duped into such activities.

“Last year, a total of 1,801 local women were picked up for prostitution. This is 741 women more than 1,060 local women nabbed in 2010,” He said out of the figure, more Malays were nabbed for vice, from 213 in 2010 to 377 last year compared to Chinese (from 333 to 420) and Indians (from 84 to 151).  Checks by the Anti-Vice, Gaming and Secret Society Division showed most of the local prostitutes came from poor and broken families. “Financial hardship was believed to have forced them into participating in the illegal activity.

“There are those, especially the younger ones, who can’t resist the lucrative pay promised by these syndicates. Some were taken in by peer pressure after seeing their friends living luxuriously, driving flashy cars and staying in luxury houses. “At the same time, there are also those who claimed to have been abandoned by their partners. Without any steady income and support, they turn to prostitution in order to feed their children, pay off debts and to survive living in the city,” he said.

Meanwhile, on foreign prostitution activities, Mohd Bakri said China nationals were the most number of people caught last year, totalling 5,922, followed by those from Vietnam (2,169), Thailand (1,492), Indonesia (1,208), the Philippines (750), Myanmar (112), India (67), Cambodia (36), Bangladesh (34), Laos (14), Uzbekistan (12), Nigeria (eight), Uganda (four), and Austria and Taiwan (one each).

“There is a slight drop of arrest involving foreign prostitutes last year from 11, 919 in 2010 to 11,832 last year,” he said, adding that police would not compromise in combating vice activities, human trafficking and gambling, and would continue to conduct raids and arrests from time to time

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Non-Muslim prostitutes have the right to sex work. And Muslims are rightfully forbidden from visiting these non-Muslim prostitutes as well as non-Muslims may be fined and punished for entertaining Muslims. The law needs to be changed to reflect this and to be fair to the non-Muslim citizens who do visit brothels or sex workers when they need to.

” . . . after seeing their friends living luxuriously, driving flashy cars and staying in luxury houses . . . ”

The above types are the blood diamonds of the lot, no ethical John would want to use their services. It is best that the greedy or the financially compromised or the coerced among prostitutes should not be patronized. It is not too difficult to get a sense of who is viable based on this criteria. Broken family types who turn to pleasure and giving joy since they were so miserable are the only ethical choice – there is empathy between those who have a surfeit of companionship and those from the appropriate background and inclination. Those who do so out of an elektra complex or incenst or abused and ran away are being taken advantage of and should be counselled instead.

The worst of course are those who do it despite being wealthy. Greedy! Though insecure is not as bad. Too wealthy to be a prostitute – there is such a thing as reverse economic snobbery that the poor can very well apply! The irony. These trolls, being vastly wealthier than the customers in some cases (the most off putting thing ever is a prostitute driving a luxury car, or a prostitute that drives at all! Mistresses though, I have no comment, though legalize polygamous marriages for non-Muslims, Mistresses exist because there is no requirement for VVIPs to commit – at least allow them the option though do not enforce, not Muslims in either case so use civil laws . . . ), makes sex with these characters a losing proposition for the customers, spirit wise that is.

There is a very fine balance to who can and cannot, in too many cases most are too far manipulated, or simply too victimised. In general though many others settle down after they get married, so the issue is not as serious excepting that the law offers no protection and the prostitutes have no recognized trade union and too many are overcome with greed and destroy the men who patronise them by being too expensive.


Hemp is bursting out all over! Friday, 08 July 2011 02:04 Acharya S Contributing Writers – Acharya S

In a world where bad news floods us, it’s just so great to see all the positive moves toward hemp legalization and cultivation, not only in the United States but also in various other places globally. Many countries, such as Hungary, France and Canada, have been years ahead of the U.S. in sensibly recognizing the value in growing the hemp plant for a wide variety of purposes, from fiber to oil to seed. Before I continue, however, I must make the usual disclaimer that by hemp, which comes from the cannabis genus but which contains insignificant amounts of the psychoactive chemical THC, I am not referring here to medical marijuana, which itself has merits on its own.

In any event, along with the burgeoning medical marijuana industry, the cultivation of hemp as a major resource and economy saver is likewise receiving a great deal of positive attention nationally, and it appears that the state of California is just a hair’s breadth away from passing the Industrial Hemp Farming Act or SB 676, introduced by Senator Mark Leno in February.

As a one-time denizen of Southern California who worked passionately as a hemp activist for a number of years, including faxing hemp information sheets to numerous law offices in the area, among other activities, I am delighted to see industrial hemp blooming into a potentially rich future harvest.

In 1994, I stood up at a Jerry-Brown-for-President press conference in Los Angeles and asked Brown – who was standing just a few feet away – whether or not it was time to look hemp as a means to solve many of the world’s resource problems. I’m told there’s a video of the exchange somewhere on Youtube.

Brown is now the governor of California, and I’d like to hope I planted a little hempseed, especially since he’s previously made unsupportive statements about the subject.

Go, California! Hemp could TRULY help revitalize the economy. Are you listening, Governor Brown? (And Feds?)

“Support for hemp farming and manufacturing in California has been very strong.”

Thanks also to the incomparable Jack Herer, RIP, whom I met a number of times and who inspired me to raise the issue with Jerry Brown.


SACRAMENTO, Calif., July 7, 2011 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ — Introduced by Senator Mark Leno earlier this year, SB 676, the Industrial Hemp Farming Act is moving quickly through the California Legislature. SB 676 would create an 8-year pilot program to allow industrial hemp farming in five California counties, Kern, Kings, Imperial, San Joaquin and Yolo. Passing through the Assembly Committee on Agriculture last week with a 6-0 vote, leading hemp advocacy organization, Vote Hemp, expects the bill to reach the Governor’s desk this September.

The bill has the endorsement of the UFCW, the Imperial County Farm Bureau, California Certified Organic Growers and other leading farming organizations. Dan Rush, UFCW  5 Statewide Special Operations Director, stated, “UFCW enthusiastically supports SB 676 because we see it as a jobs and revenue generator at a time when they are sorely needed in California.”…

“Support for hemp farming and manufacturing in California has been very strong. It is passing through committee after committee with a positive reception. We expect this bill to be on its way to the Governor’s desk by early September. Governor Brown will then have 30 days to act on the bill,” explains Patrick Goggin, California Legal Counsel for Vote Hemp.

The bill clarifies that industrial hemp is separate and distinct from forms of Cannabis used to produce marijuana and if passed will allow commercial farming of industrial hemp in five counties (Imperial, Kern, Kings, San Joaquin and Yolo) under an 8-year pilot program. Industrial hemp was grown in California up until shortly after World War II. Industrial hemp is the non-psychoactive, low-THC, oilseed and fiber varieties of the Cannabis sativa plant. Hemp has absolutely no value as a recreational drug….

A variety of products made from industrial hemp including healthy food and natural body care products as well as eco-friendly clothing are made in California. “There are over 50 member businesses of the Hemp Industries Association (HIA) that make or sell hemp products in the state of California alone that could benefit from an in-state source of hemp seed, fiber and oil,” says Eric Steenstra, Executive Director of the HIA. “Because of outdated federal and state policies these businesses are forced to import millions of dollars of industrial hemp from Canada, China and Europe.” Companies that manufacture or sell products made with hemp include Dr. Bronner’s Magic Soaps, a California company that manufactures the number-one-selling natural soap in the U.S. as well as best-selling hemp food manufacturers, such as French Meadow Bakery, Living Harvest, Manitoba Harvest, Nature’s Path, Nutiva and Sequel Naturals who make their products from hemp grown in Canada. Major companies such as Ford Motors, Patagonia and The Body Shop also use sustainable hemp seed, fiber and oil.

“Dr. Bronner’s currently purchases twenty tons of hemp oil each year from Canada. We look forward to the day that we can meet our supply needs from hemp produced right here in our home state,” says David Bronner, President of Dr. Bronner’s Magic Soaps of Escondido.

On May 11th, Rep. Ron Paul introduced The Industrial Hemp Farming Act of 2011 (H.R. 1831) in Congress along with 22 co-sponsors including 6 Representatives from California (Farr, McClintock, Miller, Rohrabacher, Stark, Woolsey). If passed, H.R. 1831 will remove federal restrictions on the cultivation of industrial hemp.

To date, 17 states have passed pro-hemp laws or resolutions, including the California Assembly in 1999 when it passed a resolution declaring that “the Legislature should consider action to revise the legal status of industrial hemp to allow for its growth in California as an agricultural and industrial crop…

The Hemp Industries Association (HIA) represents the interests of the hemp industry and encourages the research and development of new hemp products. Vote Hemp is a national, single-issue, non-profit organization dedicated to the acceptance of and a free market for low-THC industrial hemp and to changes in current law to allow U.S. farmers to once again grow this agricultural crop. More information about hemp legislation and the crop’s many uses may be found at and

SOURCE Vote Hemp
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Apart from licensing organic drugs manufacturing businesses for hemp or other organic psychedelics, it is best to not allow monopolies to occur via :

1) Allow growing for own use up to 1000 sq ft per person
2) Controlling Prices (make sales per ounce limited to USD$3)
3) Allowing Storage for own use (3 cubic metres max?)

General Information :

Legalise red light districts so that spillover into Muslim parts of town will not occur. At the same time, adult service business operators should not traffick people (though snakeheading the consensual is an entirely different matter), otherwise  crackdowns will be difficult to defend while attempts to legalise and properly zone red light areas will also be affected.

Non-Muslim services from haram food processing, to alcohol to gambling to adult industry should not be affected by Ramadan. Consider a dedicated Nudist Beach or Park or City area if you are up to it. Religion has no injunctions against those who are not members of the faith.

I don’t think during the Prophet’s PBUH time any such commandment was made against non-Muslim ‘Quarters’ of town. Maybe some lesser personages did this before, but one should follow the Prophet not less personages. After all who did Malaikat Jibril visit and talk to. The Prophet or some clergy born generations later?

It’s not the job of anyone to prohibit or punish, Allah did not give anyone the right to punish non-Muslims, even Muslims, for personal sins at least (which in fact include drinking alcohol or eating pork or visiting adult industry venues btw), though later in the afterlife will the offenders be punished.

The Hon. (YB) Chor Chee Heung and the Hon. (YB) Goh Leong San, (also Datuk Khaw Boon Pin or Dato Dr Choong Sim Poey patrons of Penang Heritage Trust) are the ‘alpha male’ parallels of Bung Mokhtar, Ibrahim Ali (pity he’s still racist) and other Obedient Wives Club members (the above mentioned 4 should be made honorary members of the OWC if not form a non-Muslim branch of the same). Men with emancipated minds need places and organisations to match their emancipated . . . well you get the idea, though some might not necessarily indulge though they advocate FREEDOM to live as Voltaire does.

With some effort, polygamy could be extended to the minorities in Malaysia too, and hopefully by efforts of MPs and would-be MPs not yet on the scene legalized Adult Services Industries as well as gambling licenses for non-4D based outlets as well. The issue is zoning and price control so that patrons will not be impoverished should they be inclined to over-indulge.

Luminaries among intelligensia and self determinism who do advocate appropriate spaces for all expressions of humanity, Sir Ahmed Salman Rushdie and the Venerable Sardar Khushwant Singh, could be invited to advise, though once again to remind, all of the above are only relevant to non-Muslims and in urgent need of implementation wherever Dhimmitization or extreme Islam oppress non-Muslims.