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7 Articles on Malaysia : Protecting LGBTs (contrived?), Rights of Child, Consensuality and Article 18 issues ,Nervous Big Shot Fumbling About, Low Tech Chinese Community Journos speak, RPK widens the ‘Hate List’, Pakatan’s Ra-ra Propagandists, Food Fascism – reposted by @AgreeToDisagree – 30th March 2012

In 1% tricks and traps, Abuse of Power, animal welfare, Informed Consent, intent, Malaysia, nature reserve, Orwellian, political correctness, politics, spirit of the law, spiritual abuse, unprofessional behaviour, zoo are failures on March 29, 2012 at 4:08 pm

ARTICLE 1

Five anti-gay activists charged – Tuesday, 27 March 2012 13:35

KUALA LUMPUR- Five activists of the anti-lesbian gay bisexual transgender movement were charged at the magistrate’s court here, yesterday under the Minor Offences Act 1955 with putting up certain posters.

Muhammad Nizam Ali, 24, Hamzah Mahmood, 32, Md Norizam Che Othman, 31, Shahir Saarani, 30, and Mohd Jamil Jamaluddin, 36, pleaded not guilty to committing the offence at Jalan Wan Kadir in Taman Tun Dr Ismail at 3.40am on Feb 4.

They were alleged to have committed the offence with five others still at large.

They were said to have put up, at a public space, posters with pictures and words such as “Lim Guan Eng Racist”, “Lim Guan Eng Anti Melayu”, “Lesbian Gay Bisexual Trans” and “Undi Ambiga Undi Seks Bebas”.

Deputy public prosecutor Haderiah Siri proposed bail for each of the accused at RM10,000 with one surety. Defence counsel Rezal Mazli Abdul Muin said the proposed bail was too high and suggested RM300 for each person.

He said the five accused were first-time offenders and that they were being charged with a minor offence which carries a maximum fine of RM1,000 if found guilty.

Magistrate Zulkpli Abdullah fixed bail at RM1,000 each and allowed two bailors to post bail for the five accused.

He fixed May 7 for mention.

One of the bailors was Tengku Amalluddin Sani, national secretary of Jaringan Melayu Malaysia, who said that the five had come to the association for legal help.

Nizam and Hamzah were unemployed and Jamil was self-employed. Norizam and Shahir were mechanics.

The five posted bail. -nst.com

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Not bad at all. Get these 5 to put up apology and anti-hate posters that will be removed by these 5 later. This is not about money or fines, though the fine could be calculated against the ‘UNINFLATED by middleman’ cost of the proceedings. Hate Speech crimes for LGBT being punished is a good sign though. How about the Judiciary take on the UNHCR Article 18 (also Malaysian Constitution 11) Apostasy issue to streamline Malaysia’s legal system as well?

ARTICLE 2

Jail, rotan for unnatural sex – Tuesday, 27 March 2012 13:19

GEORGE TOWN – A former university student was sentenced by the Sessions Court here to five years’ jail and ordered to be given 11 strokes of the rotan after he pleaded guilty to five charges of committing unnatural sexual acts against two boys, including forcing one of them to sodomise him.

Muhammad Mustakim Mohamad, 23, admitted committing the offences between Oct 2010 and March last year.

He had initially claimed trial to the charges but changed his plea yesterday.

In the first three charges, he was accused of forcing a 14-year-old boy to perform oral sex on him at 7.15pm on March 13 and 5.30pm on March 20 last year, and forcing the boy to perform anal sex on him at 9.15am on March 19 last year.

In the other two charges, Mustakim was accused of stimulating a 9-year-old boy to commit an indecent act at 11pm on Oct 15, 2010, and at 3pm on March 16 last year at a house in Taman Bukit Gambir, Jalan Bukit Gambir, Gelugor.

Counsel Rosli Ismail, who appeared for Mustakim, asked for a lighter sentence as it was his client’s first offence.

Sessions Court judge Sitarun Nisa Abdul Aziz sentenced Mustakim to five years’ jail and three strokes of the rotan for each of the first three offences, and three years’ jail and one stroke for the other two offences.

She ordered his jail sentences to run concurrently from yesterday.

Deputy public prosecutor Sariza Ismail prosecuted.

-New Straits Times

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Charges should be for coercive sex or paedophilia – IF any. If both cases were consensual, this would be a Muslim sin. How to punish if consensual? Expel them from the religion at most. All this whipping is simply medievial and barbaric. Hitting does not foster better EQ or better behaviour. Any punishment from age technicalities between obviously consenting parties is also wrong. Any element of coercion should be considered. But where there is none, the state itself has no right, much less via theocracy to hurt individuals or brand consenting persons victims. This is a harmful legalistic culture that is backed with spiritually wrong treatment of sexuality. Remember that sex is for recreation of procreation. And as early as 5 years old a child could carry to term, though psychologically they will not be ready.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_youngest_birth_mothers

But by 10 or 12 the psychological implications can already be very clear to females (remember that the psychological age of females are up to as many as a decade ahead) and the action of sex cannot be relegated to an age number in the law book. ASK both parties if there was coercion, and then consider if any party feels aggrieved. Usually marriage will formalise and solve reputation problems, but in modern societies, this is different because word of law is considered instead of spirit of law by lawyers divorced from the psychological dimension of the issue. Modern society focuses too much on recreational sex at times, but the element of sabotage and manipulation of 3rd parties to induce such sabotage typically for :

1) monetary gain

2) simply to ‘sabotage or fun’

3) immature minds influenced by bad family environments or man hating militant feminist persons trying to hurt men influencing pliable children

There are many complexities and angles that ‘word of law cannot clarify’ but ‘spirit of law’ can.

This response is not intended as a defense for paedophilia but for reminding on the spirit of law, and the deeper aspects of consent, psychological age, as well as physical maturity which judgments are often levied in isolation of one or the other aspect. Compound this with Islamic Jurispredence which advocates corporeal punishments like whipping or limb hacking and anyone can see where EQ and even SQ goes entirely out the window. God knows how many people have been severely harmed spiritually or otherwise from such viciousness and the legal system’s neglect of the subtler aspects of the why and wherefore before judgment and passing of sentence.

 

ARTICLE 3

Mr PM, let me tell you why we are worried: Cow-gate, Cop-gate, AG-gate and now Anak-gate – by Robert Phang – Tuesday, 27 March 2012 17:53

Prime Minister Najib Razak must lead the way, show true reforms and avoid cover-ups. The government’s objective of making crime reduction one of the National Key Result Areas (NKRA) is now showing results. According to the World Justice Project Rule of Law Index 2011 Report, Malaysia was ranked the safest country in the Asia Pacific Region.

All these are marked improvements of the image of the PDRM than when it was under the previous IGP, Musa Hassan. During Musa Hassan’s time, the PDRM was despised, the Along money-lending syndicate became a national menace and the crime rate was high especially street crimes. In short, Malaysians feel unsafe then. Some may say that was all in the past. But the past shapes the present and the future.

Police need to buck or fall behind

In that regard I feel compelled to remind the PDRM that the positive image now can slide back to what it was before. I feel compelled to remind PDRM that it must not be a law enforcement agency that is involved in cover-ups in protecting only the rich and powerful. As such, current CCID Director, Dato’ Syed Ismail Syed Azizan, must be commended for announcing that the police had recommended for prosecution action in the NFC “Cowgate” scandal. This had forced AG Gani Patail to finally charge Shahrizat Jalil’s husband, the Chairman of the NFC, for CBT. That unconventional announcement was a very brave and smart move by Syed Ismail so that there cannot be a cover-up for which the police will be made to take the blame. That really helped improve the image of the PDRM in the eyes of the Rakyat.

As a Friend of the Police, I call on the Rakyat not to misconstrue the statement made by the Home Minister Hishammuddin Hussein about the revelations made by former CCID Director Dato Ramli Yusuff of the cover-ups, fixing-ups, fabrications and abuses of power by Musa Hassan and AG Gani Patail in what is now known as the “CopGate Affair”. What Minister Hishammuddin had really said was “Prove it, and we will take action. No one is above the law”. Thus, we must take that positively.

Police duty to investigate and not kow-tow to AG

Since Hishammuddin has asked for proof, YDH IGP Ismail Omar must now take the Minister seriously and direct investigations by his officers. The police powers to investigate crimes are prescribed by the Police Act. If I may, IGP Ismail Omar can show his seriousness, objectivity and professionalism to uncover the truth and obtain evidence by taking the following steps:

> exclude CID Director, Bakri Zinin, from this investigation. This is to protect Bakri Zinin from any allegations of being connected to AG Gani Patail as Bakri is also from Sabah;

> direct independent minded investigators like CCID Director Syed Ismail who is not easily intimidated by AG Gani Patail as has been shown in “Cowgate”;

> not to allow circumvention of police work by any politician, no matter how high that politician may be, from carrying out police duties as that is the oath of duty of a professional police force;

> leave no stones unturned of all the reports made by Dato’ Ramli Yusuff against AG Gani Patail and Musa Hassan that have now been in the public domain for some time, namely investigate:

a) the truths of the SD by Musa Hassan’s ADC of his complicity with the underworld;

b) the truths of 10 other SDs by the other policemen;

c) the truths of the SDs by the other informants about the turning over of their informant’s evidence;

d) the cover- ups for Goh Cheng Poh in the Along syndicate investigations and the circumvention of police work in that case;

e) the unlawful access of Cicero confidential files;

f) abdication of AG’s duties under Art 145 Federal Constitution by refusing to act for and prepare affidavits for CCID;

g) fixing-up of Dato’ Ramli and his six officers by using the fabricated statement of Moo Sai Chin who was then under EO Detention;

h) fixing-up of Dato’ Ramli’s lawyer;

i) AG’s complicity in the matters concerning Tajudin Ramli/MAS and whether there was suppression of evidence;

j) AG’s refusal to prosecute Tajudin Ramli despite the recommendation of the CCID;

k) relationship between AG Gani Patail with Tajudin’s proxy, Shahidan Shafie. It is noted that Shahidan was previously charged for corruption while he was OC Secret Societies of Johor;

l) whether it is proper conduct for an Attorney-General to fraternize with a person of ill- repute (Shahidan Shafie) especially when that person is connected to an on-going investigations by the Police and the MACC. Their consorting together is evident as exposed in the Haj scandal with photographs and other supporting Tabung Haji documents;

m) AG’s complicity in the Ho Hup corporate tussle as evidenced by photographs of the A-G at Ho Hup’s office and the prosecution of the other side.

Not for Nazri to decide

The Rakyat is disappointed that the Speaker of Parliament had rejected the urgent motion by Subang MP R Sivarasa for this matter to be debated in Parliament last Wednesday. The integrity of AG Gani Patail impacts on the whole system of justice in this country. The Rakyat sees this refusal to allow parliamentary debate on a matter of such importance as a cover-up.

To dispel this negative perception, I ask IGP Ismail Omar to discharge his constitutional duties to investigate without fear or favor. I ask Ismail Omar to disregard the misconceived statements of Nazri Aziz that the government will not investigate this further. It is not for the Minister to state whether the complicity of AG Gani Patail should be investigated just as it is not for that Minister to direct GLCs to settle their cases with Tajudin Ramli.

Anak-gate : Where did the lawless son get so much money?

Nazri may be the Law Minister, but he has no legal nor moral authority to tell the police how to carry out the law if he cannot control his lawless son and his bodyguards in connection with the recent assault of a security guard. According to the police reports made available to me, Nazri’s son had even used his father’s Minister’s name card to introduce his entourage. Is that not abuse of power? The Rakyat is not amused that the case has been classified as Affray under s. 160 Penal Code. Affray is fighting in a public place. His son’s body guards trespassed onto private property and assaulted a security guard. How could that be an affray?

Beyond that, the Rakyat ponders how did Nazri’s son afford such luxurious cars – a Porsche driven by him and a Toyota Vellfire by his bodyguards? Why did he need bodyguards? What business is he in? Are we seeing further examples of “Cowgate” amongst the families and sons of Ministers who live in absolute opulence whereas the Rakyat are told to be thrifty and constantly reminded of rising inflation and high cost of living.The MACC should look into whether this Minister’s family is living beyond their means or having unusual wealth. After all, that is what all civil servants are subjected to under the MACC Act. So, it is better that Nazri controls his “anak jantan” and his entourage to behave in accordance with the law than for him to meddle in the affairs of the police.

The IGP must direct PDRM to act independently. That is how checks and balances in government institutions are maintained so that the Rakyat can feel safe and secure. Politicians come and go but the institution of the police cannot be made to succumb to their whims and fancies.

Too much evidence against Gani Patail to ignore

The evidence already in the public domain against AG Gani Patail are just too numerous for the government to ignore. As such, on behalf of the Rakyat I beg PM Najib to hear the Rakyat’s voice. The PM should know that the Rakyat is unhappy that he has said that it is not necessary to constitute a tribunal to look into this. The Rakyat wonders why the government must defend this AG until it affects the credibility of PM Najib’s government. This may only fuel suspicion that AG Gani Patail and Musa Hassan have a hold on the PM and other government leaders. PM Najib must dispel this by taking firm action.

PM Najib must not lose the plot. PM Najib has already shown that he will walk the talk when it comes to the Rakyat. I am sure PM Najib is sensitive to the Rakyat’s feelings. He is already popular with the reforms undertaken so far. So, let it not be dampened by the allegations surrounding AG Gani Patail. The Rakyat will support PM Najib in all his reform plans especially when the Rakyat trust there is no cover-ups.

Tan Sri Datuk Robert Phang Miow Sin is a prominent civil society leader, a Justice of Peace and a former member of the MACC advisory panel

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Quite partisan and edging away from a bold statement or two in the past. Kinda disappointing and though qualified, wealthy and networked enough, yet probably will not have the courage to run as an indpendent candidate. Abit too pro-Xian around the edges and possibly with skeletons in closets as well . . . better than no choice for independant candidates, but would Tan Sri Datuk Robert Phang dare to take the righteous path than being so unsteady in facing the PDRM and with an agenda against Nazri faction? How about communicating to the Malay Rulers on the Bumiputra-Apartheid issue?

Not too old but wavering as hell, and in 2 decades or so, no longer viable. Run for candidacy as an independant if you dare Tan Sri and stop sniping from the sidelines like some of us who have not built reputations or wealth sufficiently to properly join the battle or have had reputations sabotaged. Make clear or run for candidacy on the below, find proxies as independent 3rd Forcers, otherwise file a lawsuit instead of floundering around pointing fingers shamefully like this. The 3 items again to take a stand on :

1) Freedom from Apartheid/Fascism (UNHCR Article 1)
2) Freedom from Religious-Persecution/Religious-Supremacy. (UNHCR Article 18)
3) Equality for all ethnicities and faiths in all aspects of policy, Law and Constitution. (UNHCR Article 1)

Political attacks on Nazri should not take precedence over the above 3 items. File a lawsuit with the UN about the above Robert, our so-called CM of Penang and ‘Chinese leader’ doesn’t have the focus to do that, being a bronze souled product of nepotism that does not know that campaign promises need to be kept and that quorums are the only thing that qualifies a CM’s seat, not a father’s ‘gift placement’ shamelessly and undemocratically accepted. Heck even term limitless Mubarak-Gaddaffi style LKS would not make the central committee in DAP if there were OPEN ELECTIONS in undemocratic DAP.

 

 

ARTICLE 4

We despise violence – Tuesday, 27 March 2012 17:33

Twenty-five years ago at the Kuala Lumpur Thean Hou Temple, the ruling and opposition party took the same stand and protested against the authority for allocating teachers who did not understand Chinese to hold high positions in Chinese primary schools. Twenty-five years later, how could there be an attempt violent at the rally intended to protest against the shortage of teachers in Chinese primary school?

People strongly condemned the violent incident during the Himpunan Hijau 2.0 rally on 26 February, but why didn’t they severely condemn the violent attempt at the rally?

I can only say that the Malaysian political struggle has incandesced and the people’s emotions have been stirred up. It is now an either you or I die battle.

Unfortunately, the attempt violence has shifted the focus which should be on the call to solve the serious shortage of Chinese vernacular school teachers. Who can still remember the four major motions passed by the rally? The incident has led to a war of words and more important works has been forgotten.

Violence used at any rallies can actually be studied from two angles.

Firstly, it is undeniable that politics has distorted the people’s sense of right or wrong and judgement. It is common to see double-standard practices.

They condemn severely when supporters of the other party use violence but when supporters of their own party do the same, they claim that the victim has self-directed the incident or deserves the violent treatment. If the situation goes on like this, the Malaysian politics will not only become a joke, but as well continue to sink.

It is not the first time to see the act of violence. It is worrisome that people might become insensitive as it is increasingly common.

Politicians are busy staging shows and have completely ignored the act of violence, or even assault. It is indeed a connivance.

There is only one standard for right and wrong. No one should play with the law to achieve political purposes. If the ruling and opposition parties do not follow the established rules of the game, even a general election would not be able to resolve contradictions and the society will be in a state of unrest.

Most horribly, isolated act of violence might evolve into collective acts of violence, which could destroy the country.

Secondly, if grievances and emotions have been provoked continuously but no way to vent the anger is provided, it would become a violent force, resulting in the loss of control.

The accumulation of grievances might go on for decades, such as the unfair treatment received by Chinese education. However, it could also be an unexpected event, like the rare-earth refinery plant issue.

When grievances are accumulated, the confrontation will become increasingly fierce. Grievances would affect rationality and they take it as an act of justice to knock down the other party, no matter by what kind of means.

Stirring up emotions, including exposing scandals of the authorities, also has a strong vote gaining effect. When emotions become increasingly passionate, rationality will relatively abate. It will be useless no matter how well the ruling party does.

Therefore, those in power must listen to public opinion and adjust their policies to relieve social grievances and avoid emotional voting.

A society tolerating, or even advocating, violence must be a problematic society. We should despise violence or the acts of violence will destroy the rule of law and civilisation.

-Sin Chew Daily

Commentator comments :

Tuesday, 27 March 2012 17:49 posted by @Truemalaysian

If there was an assault, how come there is no recording of it? How come none of the security personnels surrounding and protecting him see anything, and if there was, how come nobody was arrested?

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They have the tech (including make up rooms etc..) to fake ANYTHING for visual as of now. Want to see a contrived lockdown? They can even FAKE a riot, complete with bloodied people etc.. Much like MB killer Ambiga suddenly begins leading Bersih 2.0 then refusing to run for election. They are just not using this tech based method of fake film yet until they have the ‘psychic underlay’ standardized to complete the faking sense, if not find a fake Anwar to sodomise another Saiful etc. to leak a video AGAIN.

Aggravated homosexuality charges anyone? Especially for Muslims and the lack of UNHCR Article 18 rights (Constitutional Article 11 of Malaysia’s Constitution), this should be a death sentence if the BN bunch get too nervous whether or not the ‘psychic’ underlay is ready or not. They’ll hire some animator to make all their worst enemies do any reputation ruining scenarios at worst and then pass judgment with that ‘crony panel’ (especially in such political cases – unless the foreign Unis these LEGAL JUNTA got their degrees from will withdraw those degrees and kick them out of their Greek Alphabet and Masonic clubs to becom degreeless) they call a Judiciary.

 

ARTICLE 5

What matters to ordinary Malaysians is not privileges but their rights – LETTERS/SURAT = Thursday, 29 March 2012 admin-s

It is always and all about: see what we are doing for the Malays; see what development we have brought for you; look at the roads and expressways; look at the future of public transport and rail systems we promise to build; witness the billionaires we are creating; and so on and so forth.

J. D. Lovrenciear

If you go by the standard operating procedures of the BN political machinery and practice, for the past fifty over years, and more so in the past thirty years, ‘privileges’ has been the sanctioned and sacrosanct principle.

But if you take inventory of the DAP, PKR and PAS manifestations, it is easily noticeable that they are selling ‘rights’. Their thrust has been – especially from the pre-2008 election year to now, one of returning to the man and woman in the street their basic and fundamental rights as citizens and as humans.

As society progresses in thought and feelings over time, humanity awakens to the importance of rights. Society begins to register an understanding that privileges belonged to the feudalistic era of bygone times.

Privileges belonged to a time a time and space where the masses would glorify their rulers and lords for whatever the powers-that-be would have spared for the masses. The masses would say, “at least my master gave me this.”

But man is no more beholden to politicians and leaders and rulers. Man – all over the world is now saying, “you are there because we put you there.”

‘Rights’ therefore has become the mantra of contemporary politics.

Rights is also the product of the seeds of religion that was sowed since the dawn of Islam and Christianity. Today, if you witness the Egyptian Spring, it is no surprise as it is the precipitation of the people’s reaction to the long ignored ‘rights’ and the much favored ‘privileges’ by the authorities.

The same would apply in China, Thailand, Indonesia, the Philippines or anywhere in the world. We have entered a new age and awakening – thanks to technology, and more so because humanity is evolving, lest we forget.

Today, in Malaysia, if you observe the BN political mantras and preaching and actions, it is very clear it is one that is solidly anchored on privileges. It is always and all about: see what we are doing for the Malays; see what development we have brought for you; look at the roads and expressways; look at the future of public transport and rail systems we  promise to build; witness the billionaires we are creating; and so on and so forth.

In summary BN is a firm believer in the philosophy of creating privileges for the masses. So do not question how the political leaders live their lives. Just be grateful how well BN has given you something along the way.

Now, on that same wavelength, if you were to summarize the opposition parties’ preaching and promises and actions, they are consistently championing the returning of the rights of the rakyat.

The right to free education; the right to knowledge of the ‘how and what’ of businesses undertaken by government and affecting the man in the street (i.e. through the abolishing of the OSA, for example); the right to information (i.e. the abolishing of the Printing and Publishing Act); the rights of religion and religious practices; and many more ‘rights’ of the rakyat is what the opposition is peddling.

Now who among the two political groups – BN and Opposition, is doing the right thing at the right time?

The world around us is full of evidence that humanity is all about rights and not privileges. The new century we are operating in is one that liberates the human soul through technology, knowledge capital and faith. And as much as religion teaches and technology supports this quest to be liberated, the rights of humanity will be the fulcrum of politics today for tomorrow.

Commentator comments :

written by Hakim Joe, March 29, 2012 09:21:40
J. D. Lovrenciear, what are you talking about here? Malaysians already have these “rights” as enshrined in the Constitution. What we do not possess is the privilege of exercising these “rights”. Voting Opposition is the right way of attempting to wrestle back these “privileges” but can anyone really trust the politicians from both side of the political divide?

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J. D. Lovrenciear is indeed white washing the failures to keep election promises and massive abuses or undemocratic practices by PR. The 4th last paragraph is particularly propaganda like. Try 3rd Force instead and be careful of people like JD, mercenary writers . . .

ARTICLE 6

Why discriminate against straight people? – Thursday, 22 March 2012 Super Admin (Raja Petra Kamaruddin)

Anyway, why are you just focusing on gays? Do only gays pay tax? Straight people pay tax as well. So why are you not also taking into consideration straight people? As you said, 30% of Malaysians are gays. That means 70% are straight. So straight people are the majority. And since Malaysia is a democracy, don’t the needs of the majority count?

NO HOLDS BARRED

Raja Petra Kamarudin

The government needs to create a “homosexual rehabilitation centre” to combat the phenomenon in Malaysia, according to Barisan Nasional MP who today claimed 30% of Malaysian men were gay.

According to a Bernama Online report, Datuk Baharum Mohamad (BN-Sekijang) said in Parliament today that this was to aid those with homosexual tendencies or engaged in same-sex relationships to stop such behaviour.

“We have to find a solution to combat these activities from getting rampant just like the efforts we take to combat drugs,” Baharum said.

“A study has found that, right now, three out of 10 men in Malaysia are gay. This is scary.” (The Malaysian Insider)

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Dear Datuk Baharum Mohamad,

I refer to your proposal in Parliament yesterday and would like to say that I found it most interesting. Sometimes I wish I had stood for elections so that I can be in Parliament to participate in these most stimulating debates. Alas, I am resigned to the fact that I am only able to witness these Parliament debates on TV. And since I live in the UK, the only Parliament debates I can witness are those on BBC, which means I get to see only the UK Parliament debates.

I must admit that the UK Parliament debates are quite boring. They only debate issues like the world economy, how to ensure that the UK is spared the economic onslaught and can survive the next three years intact without any severe hardship to the 71 million British citizens, how to reduce unemployment, how to provide homes for the homeless, how to ensure that the old and sick are taken care off, how to improve the British education system so that students receive the best and world-class education, how to achieve zero-racism in the UK and moves to impose heavy penalties for all and any acts of racism, and whatnot.

Sometimes I wonder why I even waste my precious time watching these Parliament debates when I could get better entertainment following Malaysian Parliament debates about the need to set up rehabilitation centres for gays.

I am quite surprised that you said only 30% of Malaysians are gays. I think I remember reading somewhere that the figure is as high as 50%. But maybe that includes closet gays as well. I take it you are talking about those who have come out of the closet. Anyway, 30% or 50% is not really the issue that concerns me. What does is the fact that you are proposing facilities for just male gays while leaving out those female gays and those who are straight.

I take it your interest is to ensure that you can ‘turn over’ gays to become straight. Hmm…turning over gays. That was no pun intended but don’t you find it quite hilarious that you want the government to turn over gays? I mean, gays are already turning over, if you know what I mean. So you probably meant that they should be turned over the other way.

Anyway, why are you just focusing on gays? Do only gays pay tax? Straight people pay tax as well. So why are you not also taking into consideration straight people? As you said, 30% of Malaysians are gays. That means 70% are straight. So straight people are the majority. And since Malaysia is a democracy, don’t the needs of the majority count?

For example, according to PDRM, the 2007 report shows that 0.5% of fatal traffic accidents are caused by drunk drivers. This would mean 99.5% of fatal traffic accidents are caused by those who do not drink. Hence, why would we need to send drivers who drink for rehabilitation? Instead, we should be sending all those drivers who do not drink for rehabilitation. If non-drinkers cause 99.5% of fatal traffic accidents, then non-drinkers are dangerous and should not be allowed to drive. And they should be sent for rehabilitation and not be allowed to drive unless they start drinking. Hence fatal traffic accidents would be reduced drastically.

If you were to read the Quran, you will see that an entire chapter has been devoted to adultery. The Islamic law of Hudud also addresses this issue and has laid down severe punishment for adultery. Hence Islam is more concerned with adultery than gays. Even the Ten Commandments say you shall not bonk your neighbour’s wife. It does not say you shall not bonk your neighbour’s husband.

Adultery is a more serious problem compared to those who indulge in a gay lifestyle. So should the government not also set up rehabilitation centres for adulterers and adulteresses who are straight?

Why are only gays given attention? As you said, only 30% of Malaysians are gay. There are more adulterers and adulteresses amongst straight people. I am sure for every one gay that you detect you could probably detect ten straight adulterers and adulteresses. So should we not also extend this rehabilitation service to straight adulterers and adulteresses? They too pay tax. Should not they too receive the benefit of the tax they are paying?

Another problem, which is even more serious, is corruption. Corruption is even more damaging to the country compared to people bonking each other or gays turning each other over (this time pun intended). People who give as well as receive bribes should both be rehabilitated, just like gays who give as well as receive should be rehabilitated (again, pun intended).

I am not sure whether the government should set up just one rehabilitation centre in each district with different sections or whether there should be separate rehabilitation centres for gays, straight adulterers and adulteresses, people who give and receive bribes, drivers who do not drink, people who cheat in the elections, people who lie and distort the truth, etc.

Whatever it is, I agree we need some form of rehabilitation for evildoers, deviants, perverts, transgressors, and whatnot. Malaysia is rapidly going downhill and unless we arrest the problem we may soon see the country going down a slippery slope. My only issue is that it is unfair to focus just on gays while excluding this same benefit to other tax-paying Malaysians, who are in fact paying even more tax than gays. I hope you can bring this matter up in Parliament and get a healthy debate going. Malaysia needs Parliamentarians like you to save the country.

Commentator Comments :


written by @lynn, March 23, 2012 00:55:28
Some of the people in this country are so pathetic: perpetual obsession with sex, orientation, more sex, more religion. Can’t you people see all these non-critical issues are a DIVERSION from the serious issues faced by Malaysians?

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written by earthman, March 22, 2012 22:31:50
Yes!. Malaysian Parliament debates are much much more entertaining than the boring British Parliament.

Raja Yang Mulia, you missed one crucial point. That is , the whole Malaysian Parliamentarians should be send to the ” RPK Palia Rehabilitation Center ‘ in Birmingham , UK . And the fees would be more than enough to run MT.

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written by ck, March 22, 2012 22:13:27
Thieves pocketful, nothing to do and need a diversion…

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written by Nixcloud, March 22, 2012 16:08:43
this latuk is worried cos this also means 30% of MPs are gays…. and he is the majority shareholder in clubs and brothels…

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written by Malaysiaputra, March 22, 2012 15:58:24
Huh?. Then how about using the arrested prostitutes to educate these guys about regular sex?

+18


written by Saint, March 22, 2012 14:35:06
On a serious note, the government should pay attention to the woes of “divorced women” (especially Muslims), “abandoning newly born children” and “child abuse”. The UMNOBN government is a joke as they are no more in touch with the Rakyat. ABU

+21


written by petman, March 22, 2012 13:14:06
I’ve said it before, we need to get take power from the politicians. Most of them are either corrupt or stupid, or both. I’m seriously thinking of starting a technocracy movement. Those in favor of a technocracy, mod my post up!

ABP!! (Anyone but politicians!!)

+35


written by fireduck, March 22, 2012 12:59:59
Don’t worry, folks, the Obedient Wives Club and its horny members will come to the rescue. They will make the gays straight (pun intended) and stiff in no time. State-sponsored sex parties, willing service providers, desired outcome (still questionable) …. super good plan.

+24


written by Apeiron, March 22, 2012 12:06:44
The suggestion of setting up a “gay rehabilitation centre”, though sounds plain silly, is a political smoke-screen to get the Rakyat riled up and engaged in a public debate, both in the blogs and in coffee shop gossips, to condemn such “immoral activities”. We all know that the PR leader, aspiring to be the next PM, would be the target.

+18


written by mbz777, March 22, 2012 11:11:42
aiya, why so troublesome? just follow the law in Quran or Torah the best deterrent is for all evildoers, parade them around town from morning till evening then stone them to death in the middle of the town square la this planet is over-inhabited already after all that’s why we should have hudud! then all the Malaysia Chicken A*****es (MCA), National of Cows (NFC) and United MongoliaN Orgy (UMNO) members can all be exterminated from the face of our beautiful land! How nice will M’sia be then?

+21


written by wangi, March 22, 2012 10:34:39
I heard that among the activities of the proposed “homosexual rehabilitation centre”, is one where the centre will provide sex partners from the opposite sex for the gays. The purpose is to show to the gays that sex with members of the opposite sex is much, much better, more fun and more fulfilling.

So to all of you ‘gatal’ heterosexuals who wants to take advantage, pretend to be gay and get ready to line-up and get yourselves admitted to the “homosexual rehabilitation centre” once they are opened.

Free accommodation, free food and free sex.

+55


written by Sribayu, March 22, 2012 10:29:48
The Quran, which contains references on the previous events also found in the original Gospel Torah & The Bible. For every disease there is a sign, symptom and the causes. Quran don’t come with anything new and the Koran is filled with by prognoses. Just look at the ancient nations mentioned in the Quran and the people that Allah destroyed before.

They come with nothing new and its all the same old game. The games that the people playing today are the same games played before but with different names despite numerous warnings of the destructive consequences of their wrong conduct, they haven’t heeded. Ask them to look at the historical evidence in this regard to see what happened to the ancient nation of Aad, Thamud & Pharaoh. Quran shows us the same signs and symptom and telling us what the cause was. The Quran says”; “If you get the same decease that they had then you have the same prognoses that they have”.

(Quran: 6/45)
The sins which bring about the downfall of a people are numerous, the topmost being injustice, or better still, unfairness, saying clearly: The people, who are unfair, have their roots cut”.

(Matthew 15:19)
“For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, and blasphemies”

(Quran: 7: 130)
“And indeed We punished the people of Pharaoh with years of drought and shortness of fruits (crops), that they might remember (take heed).”

(Genesis 19:24)
Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven.

And this is again and again in the Quranic narratives, Torah & The Bible we see the same affliction or diseases affected human being till now.
+15


written by alfchuah, March 22, 2012 10:04:48
Can I suggest to the government, where more buildings are to be built and more money to be corrupted – why stop at gay rehabilitation center? I say, we should have a center for every sexual act! There are 3 kinds of blow job that come to mind. And there’s making out, there’s S&M, there’s outdoor sex, there’s car sex, there’s sex in a public toilet, there’s cyber sex, there’s frottage, there’s porn addiction, there’s BDSM, there’s orgy – Malaysian demand you build every such center for every sexual act! Why only benefit gay people? Do you not want other people, especially Muslim, to be the utmost obedient followers in the bedroom and otherwise?

+15


written by alfchuah, March 22, 2012 09:57:23
I say “hallelujah, it’s raining men!!!” We all know this is only another lie to spend money on behalf of Malaysian, in the name of gay.

RPK, when the first center is opening, could you please help promote it – I’m sure you know several closeted big queens in the government – who better than them to set up example for the public. I beg of you to yank them out of the closet, only you can do it ever so fabulously.

Gay rehabilitation center: read closely “gay” and “center”, in other words, a center full of gays, a rainbow spectrum of gays under the same roof. I can see how the government is ever so helpful and cheeky about legalizing homosexuality in this country by letting all gay men fraternize, socialize and sodomize in a one-stop center. I’m all for happy endings; it’s a free world, no one asks you to have gay sex if you are not gay – do gay people have straight vaginal sex?

All in the name of good governance. We have MACC – corruption gets worse; we have PDRM – well, we all know what goes down on that boat; we have the so-called government performance index, which even viagra couldn’t help raise its pole; we have a judiciary system – where new precedents of murder and corruption are made daily, where motive isn’t a factor for a murder and if you don’t use the corrupted money personally you’re not guilty; so now we have a gay rehabilitation center, I say, Malaysia is on its way to become the world’s first Muslim country to be completely homosexual and gay (happy) about it.

+18


written by malgal, March 22, 2012 09:45:19
they keep hitting the trees, our ministers.
rpk’s letter at least helped suspend my chronic toothache. i could laugh through the pain(tooth pain notwithstanding).

+14


written by Vic, March 22, 2012 09:39:26
Here are 2 examples of our beloved MPs respond to quires in Parliament. Aprt from the above, I wonder how many percent is such and should we keep them or get kick them out because based on their experts opinion of Malaysia we are DOOMED.
Example 1: “It is not at a critical level at the moment. Our limit or threshold is 55 percent of the Gross Domestic Product, we are now at 53 percent. So you don’t have to worry about it,” Awang told a stunned Parliament this morning.
Example 2: Kong Cho Ha is the second one who needs a thorough tongue-lashing for sheer lack of brains and thinking ability. When asked by DAP’s Tony Pua to explain the rising cost of the KLIA2 relocation and what was the rational behind choosing the new airport site, Kong’s grand answer was that it was because it was “based on the KLIA Blueprint December 2008”.

Dear Fellow Malaysian, Its look like we have elected these goons to run the country down not the other way round. We are so full of SHITS.

+20


written by Apek, March 22, 2012 09:16:26
May I stand to remind the supposedly learned member from Sekijang that to arrest a citizen and deprive him of his liberty, the crime must be clear and definite. It cannot be based on hearsay or blank allegation but must be tested against a well defined character of a crime. Now, how does the member of Sekijang define gay? Is is a personal trait that we are to look out for? Is it an act? Is it a word that someone says? Or is it defined based on what you think in your infinite wisdom that – “itu budak lembut”.

The stupidity of your comment in the August House can be further demonstrated by your suggestion that tax payers rehabilitate them. What is there to rehabilitate if you have not first defined what the criminal act or the criminal mind is (Oh sorry, now after Altantuya’s case, there is no need for criminal mind). What syllabus is there to make them straight? For that matter, what is straight? Can we define straight by Chua’s actions maybe? How about Port Dickson trips? Is that straight?

It occurs to me that the member of Sekijang has merely fired off his mouth merely to impress upon his political masters of his grovelling loyalty to their cause of attempting and attempting again to smear the name of certain members of Parliament. It is proof that no one is listening to Nalla in the Upper House and no one is listening to Umi Hafilda in the open streets – however much they prostitute themselves.

+29


written by syd, March 22, 2012 08:16:28
In the west, it was revealed that some children were abused by the priests. What makes everyone think that this happens only in the west? I am sure that the religious mullahs and monks are also having a great time sexually abusing the children put under their care. Hence many become transvestite in Thailand as monkhood is compulsory for buddhist. And many malay male undergrads walk funny as they are sexually abused in sekolah agama asrama and other government boarding schools.

These poor children have nobody to relate their problems to. Their parents have enough trying to feed and educate them. If your kids have poor exam results, eat poorly and always sick and misses classes, better start talking to them. Normally, these kids will shut their mouth and suffer in silence.

+34


written by Downunder, March 22, 2012 07:55:40
30% Malaysians are gays, it means 60% of all Malaysian men are gays. Wouldn’t that gays are actually in the majority? How many % are lesbians?

+7


written by ZamZamAlaKazam, March 22, 2012 07:53:14
…when your version of your religion is the only faithful one – in fact your religion is the only righteous one, and when your class of race is the equitable one, and when your form of aids to your class of race is the only equitable one, and when your type of political party(ies) is the only legitimate one, your version of education system/history/policy/___ (fill in the blank) is the only proper and valid one … well that’s what is happening. And here in MT you could see that many think that their opinion is the only right one.

We still have a long way to go, and we must ensure that we are moving in the straight, err… right direction..

[[[ *** RESPONSE *** ]]]

Flippant. You know how this reads?

RPK goes . . . And since Malaysia is a democracy, don’t the needs of the majority count? . . . then . . . My only issue is that it is unfair to focus just on gays while excluding this same benefit to other tax-paying Malaysians

How ingenuous can someone so well traveled and involved in politics get? The minorities and how minoritiers are treated is what typifies a democracy, not the other way around. For example, in Africa, the Chinese minorities get Special Privileges BECAUSE they are minorities. So by saying ‘don’t the needs of the majority count’ Raja Petra is tacitly approving Bumiputra APARTHEID in which the needs of the minorities are ignored for the needs of the majority. There is nothing more unpleasant than a homophobic faux-beatnik wearing a Maoist cap who is pretending o be persecuted by the state, that spews racism as if the readers are incapable of fathoming what they are spewing. Very disappointing RPK, lets hope Tengku Dr. Haris is not a false flag pretending to boycott you as well RPK. We’d like to think there were proponents of REAL Royal exceptionalism instead of manipulative b.s. couched in half baked propaganda articles.

At first to save face from homophobic statements, now Petra goes hudud on everyone as well. Adultery is bad but should not be treated in this ‘lock them up in rehab’ (suggested along with LGBTs) manner – Hate Speech Crime so nicely and cleverly put IS STILL Hate Speech Crime – insincerity will not be forgiven even if intelligent and charismatic – civilisational values will not give way to mere intelligence, guess which race has trhe lowest EQ again? Or shall we just say this is something that afflicts the older generation? Don’t like LGBT, fine, but live and let live. Why attack like this?  I’m glad that the MCLM bunch left RPK though articles in MalaysiaToday are still very good . . .

http://www.malaysia-today.net/mtcolumns/from-around-the-blogs/46282-why-rpk

….. Stump-jumpin’ Jethro is using all three of his brain cells to talk! … RPK is effectively going, QUOTE ‘ I hate everybody irrelevant of other issues . . . ‘ UNQUOTE ‘JOHN F. HICKORY’ (VCPR)

Politically incorrect and manipulative in a very bad way. To distract from the earlier homophobia by using Theocracy now? Would say ‘Durian sama bangsa . . . ‘, but sorry, still too damn white . . . ‘ . . . 100% purebreeds only . . . we can’t have Mahathir Kuttys posing as Bumis while other Mamaks are not equal, and RPK is still trying to justify homophobia of the earlier article by widening the groups to discriminate against – adulterers – now via hudud no less!

Adulterers belong in a lower strata (not being rich enough to afford 2nd, 3rd or 4th wives or just envious of womenfolk of others without wanting the lifetime’s duty, wanting to be Muslim but unable to follow rules – though unable to change religion as well . . . ), but to use Hudud/theocracy against them in the form of suggesting ‘rehab centres’ for what is after all personal issues, instead of challenging the same by encouraging personal discipline, and advocating personal boycotts (by outlets like hotels etc..) at most of adultry is just ‘fundo-low’. What may seem a serious social issue is personal and private (also should be sued privately, and not ‘rehabbed’ via state apparatus)  in too many ways, regardless of the great numbers. Not easy for adulterers to be Muslims as well, and the corporeal punishment is just plain barbaric. How about counselling instead?

It’s their business, so when we find someone trying to institutionalise and rehabilitate instead of advocating districts or expulsions for whatever behaviour, we identify the closet authoritarians and closet dicators and closet theocrats apart from the ‘Voltarian’ minded people of the world. More epic fail, RPK! But what would we expect from a half blood prince in their 60s . . . too toff and stuffy while posing as ‘socially aware cool’, and not a word on ending apartheid thus far.

 

 

ARTICLE 7

‘WHY NOT EAT DOGS?’ Submitted by Najiah on Friday, March 12th, 2010 – Darshini Kandasamy – Friday, March 12th, 2010 12:14:00

* Datuk Dr Ahmad Suhaimi Omar
* dogs for human consumption
* Local
* Veterinary Services Department (DVS)

PETALING JAYA: Despite public furore, Veterinary Services Department (DVS) deputy directorgeneral, Datuk Dr Ahmad Suhaimi Omar, is sticking by his suggestion last week that stray dogs held at pounds be sold for human consumption — as a method of stray management.

While acknowledging it was a “sensitive” statement, the DVS deputy DG in charge of veterinary health, told The Malay Mail his words were unnecessarily ‘sensationalised’.

He insisted that the suggestion would create a “win-win” situation, explaining that stray dogs captured are now kept for seven days — and humanely euthanised if the dogs remained unclaimed after the week.

“Once the dog is caught and nobody claims it, what do you suggest we do? If people want to consume (dogs), why not let them?

“We have to pay for euthanasia as it has to be done professionally by a veterinarian. In any case, who are we to euthanise any animal?” posed Dr Ahmad.

If the slaughter of an animal is for the purpose of consumption, Dr Ahmad argued that “in principle, most religions would basically allow the slaughter”.

Still, he pointed out that he was not asking people to just eat dog meat. He argued that foreigners like the Vietnamese and Koreans consume dog meat; and understood this was a sensitive issue for Malaysian culture and standards.

“We should not impose our values onto others. If you cannot eat dog meat, you cannot stop me from taking it. Like pork, for example. I cannot eat it but I cannot stop you from eating it.

“This is how we have been able to live harmoniously in Malaysia. We have to be open. It is an individual decision, if others want to eat it, it is up to them.”

Stating he was merely throwing in the idea, he told The Paper That Cares: “I knew it was sensitive, I purposely said it. It was high time to say it. The NGOs are all against it and I know the dog is a pet to most of us.”

Even a farmer, who has raised his cattle lovingly would not be willing to eat the animal when slaughtered, he noted.

“I do stress that if the dogs are to be slaughtered, it must then be done properly and there should be no cruelty at all.”

Dr Ahmad also claimed that while there were a few people who objected to his suggestion at the forum on effective animal pound management, organised by the Petaling Jaya Municipal Council Canine Advisory Team on March 2, he felt the body language of many there suggested they were “excited” by his words.

The suggestion to sell caught stray dogs for consumption will help ease the system and reduce the council’s problem.

“Let this be a lesson to pet owners to not let their dogs stray. It is a matter of responsible pet ownership. We have to educate pet owners, but this will take a long time.”
Howling in horror over statements
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CHIN: Labels Dr Ahmad’s suggestion ‘barbaric’

KUALA LUMPUR: Animal lovers are up in arms over the suggestion by Veterinary Services Department’s (DVS) top man condoning the slaughter of stray dogs for human consumption.

Describing the suggestion as barbaric, the Selangor Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (SPCA) is now demanding that DVS deputy director-general (veterinary health) Datuk Dr Ahmad Suhaimi Omar, retract this suggestion.

Visibly upset, SPCA chaiman Christine Chin told The Malay Mail that SPCA was extremely disappointed with Dr Ahmad’s suggestion — especially in view of his position as the “number two or three person in DVS, who should be promoting humane, sustainable, effective and acceptable solutions to the stray problem”.

“He is not a nobody,” Chin pointed out. “As a possible DVS director-general candidate, he is supposed to be protecting the animals.

“He is in charge of prosecuting people who are cruel to animals.”

While she felt Dr Ahmad did make some good suggestions during the March 2 forum on effective animal pound management, Chin described the dog meat suggestion as having thrown DVS back to the dark ages and undermined every bit of good DVS had ever done, especially in drafting its 2008 guidelines on humane dog-catching methods.

Stating that Dr Ahmad’s suggestion was “barbaric, inhumane, provocative, unbelievable and incredulous”, she said: “We are a society that doesn’t eat dogs. It is not a custom in Malaysia.

“Even in China, animal lovers have banded together to seek legal amendments to ban the consumption of dogs and cats. In Taiwan, it is illegal. What about cats?”

Meanwhile, Malaysian animalassisted therapy society for the disabled and elderly (Petpositive) president, Anthony Thanasayan, described Dr Ahmad’s suggestion as “misplaced and terribly insensitive.”
dr ahmad

THANASAYAN: Dogs are life savers

He said the suggestion only reflected how out of touch DVS was.

“That he thinks dogs are only good as food on the table shows what he thinks of the role animals have been playing in our society, especially today.

“Dr Ahmad must remember that if a building falls down and he gets caught in the rubble, it is not a chicken that will come to save him. He would have to rely on the dog he suggests we eat.”

He said dogs are loving and play a positive role such as saving people’s lives and helping those in need of therapy.

Noting sarcastically that Dr Ahmad may have felt he was being clever, Thanasayan said the suggestion was purely a cerebral statement and not from the heart.

“Whatever he was trying or hoping to do, it did not work… he might as well ask us to eat our children.”

Thanasayan also pointed out that dogs from the pounds often carried disease and no one would want to or should eat such meat.

[[[ *** RESPONSE *** ]]]

Don’t attack Dr. Ahmad for being outspoken in his approach to wasting what is after all edible food. This is only in reference to animals fit for eating. Probably most strays would not qualify and I doubt Dr. Ahmad was referring to the thin, sickly and diseased stray but the heavily fleshed and well fed medium and large breeds which are to be put down or abandoned by ex-owners. But still a rather unpleasant but likely viable cottage industry for scavenging the remains of these strays could be made if Veterinary Department made proper arrangements with the stern of heart and strong of stomach to separate the edible portions of the sickest strays from the inedible parts.

This low grade meat of course would likely end up as feed for other carnivorous animals like edible reptiles or amphibians, just to give an example and the very inedible but still organic portions would be best left for snail and worm rearers. Blood can also be drained and processed into other edible products which could be perhaps sold to commercial fish feed makers or such. Did you know that many organic waste sources from farming are processed in this manner into feed products too? Nothing should be wasted in this day and age. Rat catchers could make a small fortune rearing edible food animals which do not mind eating rat or which will not be affected by disease carried by rats.

Of course if not disposed in this ecologically friendly manner after being put down, carcasses will pollute the environment to no one’s benefit if they take up space in decaying landfills producing global warming methane, or pollute the air by cremation. Let’s not attribute Dr. Ahmad’s scientific based familiarity with the stark practicalities in the animal husbandry/feed business to being callous. The flesh/organs/bones of the dead pet, especially if not diseased or too old, are still obviously nutritious and life giving and can be sold as viable restaurant grade meat to better fund the Veterinary Department or at the very least made into a nutritious broth for non-vegetarian soup kitchens.

So if something edible is thrown away, or put into a wooden box, then buried to breed dangerous microbes for decades when there are hungry people on the street who would appreciate the sustenance, throwing away or consigning to rot what is in effect FOOD would be SINFUL. Think of the eco-friendly efficiency of the Zoroastrian “Towers of Silence” and you get what I mean. There is a brutally efficient cycle in nature, and letting emotion get the better of logic instead of thinking green will result in a world filled with cemetaries of dead husks better put to work back in the increasingly depleted soil. Even sewage should be processed properly via natural biological methods instead of being sent to the ocean to pollute and poison the environment.

The Chinese ate dogs until the Dog Worshipping Manchu’s forbade it. Koreans very much treat dog meat as a regular part of their diet. Tycoon Li Ka Shing has an entire label of canned dog meat being sold in his convenience stores. Dog meat plants throng in many parts of Asia. There are also fish, pigs and cows which are pets of people. Does this mean that all these types of animals are to be considered inedible because some are treated as pets??? Stop this dietary fascism! Though concession on the spiritual issue of allowing an animal to live the course of natural life in a natural environment (that means not being stuck in the home of a psychotic supposedly ‘doting’ owner who does not ask if that animal wants to live among others of it’s own kind or that thinks neutering without consent (many pets can’t communicate that they don’t want neutering but their owners send them off for castration or spaying at the equally EQ-dead Veterinary Surgeon anyway), or being stuck in a circus FOREVER working but never earning (the biggest PAYDAY for an animal if FREEDOM, NOT daily food which it can hunt or forage on it’s own WITHOUT any human ‘oversight AFTER licving habitates are destroyed by the same humans – little wonder caged animals want to kill humans so much . . . ) or never being allowed to retire, having a timetable non-consensually . . . ) AND that vegetarians are ‘cleaner’ though far less suitable for certain types of work in society (i.e. meat eating soldiers more effective etc..), cannot be argued against.

Bears

http://www.buzzle.com/articles/circus-animal-cruelty.html

http://jerrybrice.wordpress.com/2009/10/27/ice-skating-captive-bear-kills-circus-owner-in-bishkek-kyrgyzstan/

http://rt.com/news/rampaging-circus-bear-kills/comments/

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8320849.stm

Elephants

http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/article3256472.ece

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/12/7/nation/20111207182804&sec=nation

http://www.snopes.com/critters/malice/elephant.asp

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/national/elephant-kills-trekking-veterinary-student-in-malaysia-20111208-1ufz3.html

Tigers

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1997-05-09/news/9705090201_1_franzen-lucca-circus

http://english.pravda.ru/hotspots/disasters/06-10-2010/115243-lion_attacks_trainer-0/

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1997-05-09/news/9705090301_1_franzen-brothers-circus-circus-workers-tiger

http://articles.latimes.com/1990-10-28/news/mn-4918_1_bengal-tiger

http://www.kidzworld.com/article/3896-animals-in-captivity

Chimpanzees

http://articles.cnn.com/2009-02-16/us/chimp.attack_1_sandra-herold-chimp-travis?_s=PM:US

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,494067,00.html

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local&id=6661427

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1880229,00.html

http://africanconservation.org/forum/news-archives-around-africa/1178-chimpanzee-kills-kigoma-town-resident

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/06/100621-science-chimpanzees-chimp-gangs-kill-mitani/

Did the above bears, elephants, tigers and chimpanzees consent to doing any work for anyone? To perform for your entertainment? To be controlled during ‘musth‘ ? Much like human rights, animals also have their rights. To live in a community of their own species, to not be isolated, to refuse to do heavy work or perform at any time (well at least up to the point of humane work hours with days off AND with the right to retire on a ‘pension’ . . . Prevention of Cruelty to Animals needs to consider these FACTS. Not just about appearing naked or throwing paint on fur . . .) Now think, if any human being were subject to the above, would they not want to rip someone’s heart out? Some animals out of a colony of the same species who CHOOSE and can be encouraged (not manipulated or forced in isolation) to perform consensually, could still continue performing but these should be few and far between if anything.

Conversely, as the saying goes, “Do not play with your food.” now also learn this : “Do not befriend your food.” The former owner had already neglected the animal or deemed it be put down, or cannot afford to support the animal any more. The buyer of the dog meat would have no emotional bond, nor would the soul of the animal know any difference if it’s physical husk is used to satiate someone’s hunger. If a dead pet is edible, please do the right thing and feed the hungry ! Use local stitched pelts to clothe the cold in temperate countries. Make useful products like bone meal to feed other pets or even livestock. If you prefer to bury a dead pet animal underground so that as to weep over the carcass every year, remember, the planet would eventually be filled with graveyards of dead pets competing with the living humans in driving up land prices further just to stoke the egos of the selfish while nutrients are sequestered away in coffins or urns instead of enriching the soil again as nature intended, even as living humans are already finding it increasingly expensive to have their own dead interred. Is Dr. Ahmad’s solution so unthinkable now when viewed holistically? This logic also may be applied to humans as well (think soylent greem), and population and space levels have not yet reached a saturation point but eventually the same problem will creep up on us in time if hastened with this form of inconsiderate indulgence which sequesters the space of the living and impacts the future for the living and mankind.

BUT, this ‘ownership of pets’ thing is an abomination unless at a certain level of space and species-colony association, probably the only pet owners will be peole with fair sized tracts of land to build habitats of a size able to simulate natural surroundings for the animal and accomodate a reasonable colony of that animal FROM which the owner could begin considering ‘training’ for performance . . . think – a single pride of 5-10 lions requires up to 100 miles of hunting space, WTH is a circus cage and isolation you cruel f***s ??? . . . meat though, should NOT be wasted.

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