5 Articles on Malaysian Politics : 2 Articles on the Possibility of New Trend in Pakatan : Pakatan Attack on APs, LGE’s wife Betty Lim, may not run for election in GE13 . . . 3 Articles on the Impossibility of New Trend in DAP and failure of education, Tay a pro-DAP (hence anti-Rakyat) propagandist or simply not thinking out of box? – reposted by @AgreeToDisagree – 18th April 2012

ARTICLE 1

Constitution does not guarantee AP privileges for Bumis, says Pakatan – by Shazwan Mustafa Kamal – April 18, 2012

Nurul Izzah said Pekema lacked the metrics to proclaim the AP system as beneficial to Bumiputeras. — File pic
KUALA LUMPUR, April 18 — Putrajaya must do away with the current approved permit (AP) system for imported cars as it only benefited a small, select group of politically-connected Bumiputeras, Pakatan Rakyat (PR) lawmakers said today.

They pointed out that no area of the Federal Constitution expressly grants to Bumiputeras AP licensing rights, and that such claims were a “complete stretch of the imagination.”

Bumiputera car dealers association Pekema as well as Malay rights lobby Perkasa have demanded that the government maintain Malaysia’s controversial permit system for imported cars, saying that the current system benefited Bumiputera businesses.

Both groups maintain that the privileges under the AP system was a guaranteed Bumiputera constitutional right, and came under the purview of the Yang di-Pertuan Agong,

“Pekema is talking [nonsense]. Find me the clause in the Constitution that says cars must have APs. And (that) whatever APs must be for Bumis. It takes a complete stretch of the imagination to interpret any clause on the special position of Malays to mean constitutionally guaranteed AP privileges,” DAP national publicity secretary Tony Pua told The Malaysian Insider.

Pua said that associations such as Pekema were only speaking for themselves in wanting to maintain the “rent-seeking” practices of the AP system.

The Petaling Jaya Utara MP added that the AP system served no other purpose than to make its beneficiaries “instant millionaires.”

Pua said Article 153 was being twisted to extend to APs.
According to Pua, the onus was on the government to ensure that APs were put on open tender so that only genuine and qualified business operators would secure the licences to import cars, instead of “middlemen seeking instant profits.”

“The taxpayers loses more than a billion ringgit a year as a result of the giving away of APs to selected cronies instead of being sold via auction to all businesses or interested parties.”

PKR vice-president Nurul Izzah Anwar advised Pekema to demand from the government a disclosure of the recipients of APs since the programme’s inception before extolling its success.

“Without such data, how would we ascertain its usefulness for the majority of Bumiputeras?

“As it is, the majority of the recipients are ‘Umnoputras’ — and they are gaining profit at the expense of the country’s wealth,” she told The Malaysian Insider.

The Lembah Pantai MP said PR’s position was for a gradual “phasing out” of the AP system, and to assist poor Malays and Bumiputeras through a targeted subsidy programme as well as overall improvement on “education/employment and social [progress] opportunities.”

Pekema and Perkasa have demanded that the government prioritise Bumiputera interests before conforming to set international trade agreements such as the Asean Free Trade Area (Afta).

Pekema president Datuk Zainuddin Abd Rahman said on Monday that the association is seeking royal intervention to block the Najib administration’s plans to phase out the AP system for imported cars by 2015.

“The only ones who can cancel the AP are the Agong and the Malay Rulers, so it cannot be cancelled,” said Zainuddin.

“The AP is included as part of permits, permits under Article 153 of the Constitution, which guarantees Malay and Bumiputera rights along with reserve land, scholarships, government posts.”

He said that the AP system was the “most successful” system for Bumiputeras, touting it as one of the main accomplishments of the New Economic Policy (NEP).

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Oh great, family bloc Nurul is back, but at least on something meaningful. (lets hope PAS has not gotten all soft on Tolls, the Prophet would definitely not have tolerated Tolls while he wandered the deserts in the past, there were no cars, but beasts of burden and only highway robbers and bandits would demand cash for merely travelling). How about addressing the 2 systems of citizenship for equality Nurul? AP is more tolerable than APARTHEID !

ARTICLE 2

See newspaper clipping . . .

Nepotism being addressed? Or just a feel good lie to defuse voter anger toward the horribly nepotistic and closed to 'outsiders' DAP political party?

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One lynchpin less out of a score of family blocs is no victory but worthy of mention. 1 out of 222 MPs less a family bloc is good news anyday – Lim Guan Eng’s (that parachute nepotistsm beneficiary ‘CM of Penang’ character who doesn’t condemn apartheid for what apartheid is . . . ) wife may not run for GE13. Lets see if this is another false flag) much like the failed declaration of MP assets, the failed quorums on supposedly free EXCO Local Council Elections (we taxpayers are paying the salaries of the unvoted EXCOs as of now by the way) and other abuses of power by DAP.

ARTICLE 3

Lim Guan Eng Insist on Staying in Tax-Payers Paid Bungalow – Posted on April 10, 2012 by editor

The Penang Chief Minister has been staying in a rented bungalow – all paid for by taxpayers – claiming that the official residence Seri Teratai is termite infested and leaking.

But that was three years ago when he first moved in after being appointed as the Chief Minister.

He had then told the people that it would only be on a temporary basis and that he would move back once the renovations and repairs were carried out. Well, this portal would like to remind the DAP zombies that he has lied.

He is still staying in the same rented bungalow. All paid for by taxpayers! Is it because all the expenses-paid bungalow is more comfortable than the official residence?

So far, he has avoided questions about his residence, evading questions about the expenses.

The bungalow at affluent Pinhorn Road at the Green Lane area, which the CM is staying, is worth RM2.5million and that was the valuation in 2009.

By now, it’s probably worth over RM3million, so do your maths and figure out how much the rentals would run to!

Stop The Lies has been informed that the renovation work was carried out in February 2009 which cost RM1.5million. It is surprising that the owner would spend so much to renovate the bungalow.

Guan Eng moved out from the official residence in Macalister Road in June 2009 when the renovations were in full progress, promising to move back but we all know how often DAP leaders lied. It’s already three years and our dear leader hasn’t move back.

We are told the reason why Guan Eng has refused to move back is because the bungalow belongs to a middle-aged woman from Malacca, who is said to be a crony of Betty Chew, the wife of the CM.

The RM8,000 monthly rental is paid for by the rakyat and that excludes his electricity, water and Astro bills!

Guan Eng should explain to the people why is he still staying in the bungalow after three years. How long must the people pay for his luxury?

We also know that his “fly economy class” image is a stunt. He flies economy class between Penang and Kuala Lumpur but he is not telling the DAP zombies that he prefers First Class when he goes overseas!

He also travels to Hong Kong monthly, according to our records, supposedly to meet businessmen! To collect what????

He has claimed he is “upgraded” by MAS! Come on, if he often travel Economy Class as he claims, he wouldn’t be able to chalk up enough points to be upgraded to business class.

Stop bullshitting!

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So imagine the outcry for suggesting 750K in funeral funds by LGE for LGE, by asking the BN (PR’s supposed sworn enemies) to ratify the 750K funeral bill. How greedy can LGE get?

ARTICLE 4

Loose Lips Sink Ships – Posted on April 13, 2012 by editor

LGE should learn to do this more often

There is a saying “loose lips sink ships”. Perhaps Penang Chief Minister Lim Guan Eng should better start being acquainted with the phrase.

The idiom definition for the phrase says to have loose lips means to have a big mouth, susceptible to talking about everything and everyone.

Sinking ships refers to anything from small acquaintances to long and hearty relationships (with friends or a significant other). So when one says loose lips sink ships, one is basically saying if you can’t shut up, you are going to end hurting people, usually psychologically or emotionally.

And that was exactly what has happened when Guan Eng threatened to stop allocations for schools which subscribe to Utusan Malaysia and Berita Harian.

This is a serious remark, coming from the head of the state, and it is no joke or laughing matter to utter those words and then claim either you have been misquoted or that it was made in jest.

Guan Eng must remind himself that he is no longer the Opposition head when he makes remarks or comments on issues as he is now the Chief Minister.

After the March 2008 general election, he is still caught in a “transitional” problem of adjusting himself to be the administrator of a state and no longer a mere leader of a political party.

The DAP secretary-general was quoted by Sin Chew Daily as saying that schools in Penang should not continue subscribing the two Malay dailies, otherwise the state government would stop allocating funds to them.

He made the remark when speaking to 84 representatives from various schools.

He was quoted as saying “Schools must not subscribe to Utusan Malaysia. If they insist on doing so, there will be no allocation for you all next year.”

“I am serious. Do not subscribe to Utusan and Berita Harian,” he was quoted as saying.

It is very obvious that Guan Eng’s remarks tantamount to threatening the schools concerned.

The threats are uncalled for. It smacks of racism and high handedness. It is unbecoming as a Chief Minister to hurl threats to schools who subscribes to the two newspapers of their choice.

Just because he is the Chief Minister, he can’t go around imposing his likes and dislikes onto others.

Perhaps he should sponsor copies of other Malays newspapers he deemed fit rather than to threaten schools into submitting to his request.

If he has any issues with the two newspapers, he should fight his own battle, and not get schools involved. This is getting a bit way too far.

He should leave politics within the perimeters of the political front and not politicize issues and bringing it to the doorsteps of the education arena.

Politics should be set aside for the larger interest of education and it should not be allowed to fester within the educational premises.

Guan Eng’s threats run contrary to the freedom of speech as advocated by the Opposition.

In disbursing government allocation, Guan Eng should be sincere about it and not use it to force the political ideologies on schools.

It is worse still and unacceptable when he threatens schools into submitting to his wishes and fancies.

Disbursing of funds should be carried out in all sincerity without imposing conditions or using strong arm tactics.

Guan Eng, it is no joke or laughing matter when you open your mouth and say that you would stop allocation to schools.

Buck up and grow up.

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The CM of supposedly Chinese Penang has only 1 thing to do. End Apartheid. Not host dinners, fly around to Australia and prevent would be politicians from entering DAP or local politics because they’ve got a nepotism and shameless term limitless family bloc Xian fundo b.s. thing going on there. Detestable little men tend to not use nepotism granted CM’s mandates to end APARTHEID, but do ask for 750K funerals from their sworn enemies who put their fathers into Kamunting instead are unprincipled and shamelessly thick skinned! They had half a mind to kill these 2 nepotistic term limitless DAP 4th world style ‘family-business style politicians’, and now they are in the Dewan asking for 750K funeral funds which the taxpayer paid? How 2-faced can a politician get? How can anyone who thinks this way be trusted? And then look at the massive failures to keep campaign promises that helped them win. All forgotten? Go flying around on taxpayers fund now while disregarding Bumi-Apartheid?

ARTICLE 5

An open letter to our young undergrads — Tay Tian Yan – April 18, 2012

APRIL 18 — Dear undergrads,

I saw you occupy Dataran Merdeka and could feel your high-spirited youthfulness.

I have no objection to your “occupy” campaign. From Wall Street to Jalan Sultan, indeed young people should step out of their classrooms to taste the sunshine and rain.

It doesn’t have to be that tough, after all. With an iPhone or iPad in your hands, you could stay in touch on Twitter or Facebook, sharing with your followers or friends the amazing nasi kandar you’ve savoured just across the street from Dataran Merdeka or perhaps a photo you snapped with some curious tourists.

So, I will never worry that you would get bored or exhausted at the Dataran Merdeka.

But I just wonder what the real significance of occupying the Dataran is.

I did not hear any anti-Lynas or anti-corruption slogans, or anything against UiTM’s rejection of non-Bumiputera students nor about the pathetic academic standards of our universities today.

All you wanted is free tertiary education and the writing off of PTPTN arrears.

I even saw a “PTPTN, the big loan shark” placard hoisted under the sultry sun over the Dataran.

I couldn’t help but laugh: All that you want is just so simple.

But have you ever thought about this: If everything is free of charge, where does the money come from? And if you can default on your loans, who would extend the loans to you?

Since you are all university students, I assume you have learned some economics before, right? Don’t you remember there is something called “costing” in economics? For anything offered free of charge to you, someone else have to foot the bill.

Your lecturer could have told you, and economics guru Milton Friedman most definitely said it before, that nothing comes free under the sun.

And this costing concept applies very well to all of you.

Tuition fees at the country’s government universities have been heavily subsidised and are among the cheapest in this world.

Your RM7,000 to RM8,000 annual tuition fees are just about a third of private college tuition fees here, a fifth of those in Australia’s public universities, one-sixth of America’s, and one-eighth of Britain’s.

Your parents should take delight in the fact that some other people are helping them pay the tuition fees so that they can keep their retirement funds largely intact.

What I am trying to say is that the cheap tuition fees are most definitely not a Godsend. The government has to dig into taxpayers’ pockets to subsidise your education, including mine.

If you come from a poor family, sure enough, I am more than willing to contribute my part to help. But there are so many of you who come from well-to-do families and yet enjoy the heavily slashed tuition fees.

Not to mention the PTPTN loans, where our government has been excessively generous by offering full loans at a mere one per cent interest rate. (If this is what you call loan shark, I would love to take a loan from you).

Given the fact that Bank Negara’s overnight lending rate is three per cent, the remaining two per cent (could be a lot more if we factor in the inflation) has to be sourced from somewhere (the government? not really, but the generously taxed uncles and aunties).

I don’t mind contributing that two per cent. I see it as my national obligation. But you refuse to pay up when you graduate from school someday in the future, and the PTPTN cannot just close shop this way. So, we taxpayers are once again come under the axe.

You are actually well aware that university education is never free, even in cash-rich Western countries. Many students there have to take up part-time jobs or bank loans before they can attend their classes.

You don’t need a part-time job or a bank loan to finance your studies here. You don’t even need to step into the lecture hall; just sit at the Dataran to protest against “I don’t know what”!

Perhaps the Dataran should be occupied by the uncles and aunties who subsidise your studies. We have a whole lot more valid reasons to occupy the square. — mysinchew.com

* This is the personal opinion of the writer or publication. The Malaysian Insider does not endorse the view unless specified.

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Dear me Tay Tian. Degrees ARE free, especially those not in ‘technical fields’. ALL degrees numbering scores to hundreds from Sociology type degrees, all languages and various paperwork based fields DO NOT NEED a single cent to teach or learn (though a minimum wage from government would be good). See the Democracy Tree in Malaysia? See the Bodhi Tree where Buddha gained enlightenment and gave sermons (no gold plated statues or donation boxes for ‘building temples’ there, just alms bowls)? Even the quasi fundo Luddites taking classes on ‘Animal Husbandry’ in their barns could subsume the Veterinary degree which costs a few 100Ks – a child on the right farm, could deliver or treat any animal just as well . . . without spending a cent on education. ALL EDUCATION of the non-technical sort (i.e. needing advanced equipment) is FREE. So don’t pretend MOST education costs anything – especially contractors and suppliers and manufacturers dependent on HANDOUTS of taxpayer monies for their living at extremely inflated prices that feed a large number of middlemen (shame on you contractors and law writers that cause parasitic loopholes in laws that are never amended).

How costly can holding a class under a tree or perhaps a scenic spot be now? NOTHING AT ALL. Maybe hundreds of people could be taught in a single session, to get a ‘degree’ because of microphones which cost very little. Even MEDICINE could be taught in such places. Do we need to pay anything for unneeded buildings?  The odd plaque or monument? The security guards and gardeners and drivers ON taxpayer paid salaries? Uniforms? The free transport AND meal subsidies which AGAIN taxpayers have to pay? I’d rather have no building and free degree than a building and a degree that costs half a lifetime of work to return – ON INTEREST to boot . . .

**THAT METHOD OF EDUCATION IS NOT WEALTH CREATION, THAT IS WEALTH RE-DISTRIBUTION IN THE WRONG MANNER THAT ENRICHES SOME CITIZENS OVER OTHERS!!!**

Admit the fact that a degree is a mere toll booth or protection fee to *be allowed to work* in an cubicle or office, and stop being aq shill for government collusion to defraud the citizens from what should be free. All a government needs to do is to assign empty land, grow some shady trees, recognize the lecturer FOR FREE, then register all students who attend the class. Or hold those classes in the car park during work hours . . . Work place conditions will be entirely unrelated anyway so the degree doesn’t matter, what the lecturers teach matters more – and we do not need super-duper-POOPER scale salaries to glorify Senior Lecturers, ‘Deans’ and all manner of Chancellor Emeritus hierarcies *AT TAXPAYER EXPENSE* WITH fat pensions on the taxpayers backs AGAIN. Voters, if you are not working in government, make sure you vote for an MP who at least is even able to understand the above or YOUR tax monies will enrich some glorified crony or relative who will be promoted due to nepotism, no matter how distant the relation.

The whole point of Uni or school is to SOCIALIZE the people into being able to work in close quarters and in a team. NOTHING else. Skills can be LEARNT even by children. Want to see a 7 year old mechanic? Want to see a 10 year old surgeon? 5 year old pharmacy dispenser? These ‘jobs’ do not need ‘degrees’. These skills are FREE to learn.

A degree does not cost the price of 1-10 units of low cost housing. Heck better rather buy a handful of these units and become a slumlord or some land estate owner that produces REAL GOODS, than enrich the government’s crony contractors to *validate* with a piece of paper called a degree in a jobs market (after getting paid to build useless – and not necessarily stable – buildings on the taxpayer’s funds) as biased and uncertain as this when master slave mentality typifies employer employee relations. Call this civilisation?

We call this creating a financial trap to enrich the bankers WITH so-called ‘education’ as bait. Not a cent or work hour for the plutocracy. And redistribute the wealth or the extreme plutocrats or extreme quantum landowners. We do not need half a lifetime to pay for a degree, and another half to pay for a glorified pigeoncoop condo or rabbit-hutch terrace, or a ‘duplex’ (half -a-house) which leaves the next generation in another cycle where inflation lowers both earnings and quality of life to the social immobility and inflation nations they call modern living that ultimately only enriches the banking cartels and IMF world bank type Freemason cultists or other Fundo faithers. Tay Tian wants to dampen high-spirited youthfulness more like, by protecting the failure of an ‘establishment’, in this case the educational profiteering establishment.

One of the protesters with debt-condemning placard at the anti-PTPTN protests. Tertiary education is a human right and should be free. MPs, do not betray our youth to the banksters and Ministry debt slave machines, or we will vote you out by GE13!

Voters, in this sort of case, make sure that your MP candidate or incumbent will make education free. Ask and find out if your MP wants to make education free. Otherwise no votes for that MP. If there is no MP that will do this, run for election instead. Vote wisely young voters (and also don’t over populate – 2.1 is best for maintenance without increasing population density . . . ) :

BN  Inequality and corruption forever.
PR = Chance at equality but much Nepotism.
3rd Force = Very likely Equality (there is nothing for 3rd Force to run on except Equality and anti-Nepotism).

Vote only for candidates who endorse and intend to grant :

1) Freedom from Apartheid/Fascism (Article 1 Human Rights Charter)
2) Freedom from Religious-Persecution/Religious-Supremacy. (Article 18 Human Rights Charter)
3) Equality for all ethnicities and faiths in all aspects of policy, Law and Constitution. (Surah An Nisa 4:75)

;amongst a few other things like religious, neutral and entertainment zonings.

Of course PM Najib only has to use that mandate he ALREADY has from the Rakyat to grant :

1) Freedom from Apartheid/Fascism (Article 1 Human Rights Charter)
2) Freedom from Religious-Persecution/Religious-Supremacy. (Article 18 Human Rights Charter)
3) Equality for all ethnicities and faiths in all aspects of policy, Law and Constitution. (Surah An Nisa 4:75)

;and the Opposition will likely be scattered.

This pic remind of anyone?

BN, don’t be a dingus use that mandate and end the Apartheid of Bumiputera . . . also if peaceful Tibetans burn themselves to protest apartheid, guess what warlike Mongols do to to people who blow up their kin – PM Najib needs that Pmship more than the Rakyat does IMHO, so how about making Malaysia a first world, UNHCR compliant nation that best applies the tenets of Islam Surah An Nisa 4:75 at least ( . . . and saving Najib who will be vulnerable without the time and protection of a PMship . . . )?

This is just equality . . .

4 Articles on Xians : Mormons and Adventists, Cultic Xians and Caffeine, Xianity and Satanism, Insanity identified in various guises – repostedby @AgreeToDisagree – 26th March 2012

ARTICLE 1

Park Romney: Why he turned against the Mormon church – by John Sweeney BBC News

The Mormon Candidate is part of the latest series of This World, broadcast on Tuesday 27 March at 19:00 BST on BBC Two    Special report: US 2012

Mitt Romney, the front runner in the race for the Republican Presidential nomination for the White House, is a devout Mormon, but his cousin, Park Romney, also in the past a committed member of the church, now denounces it as a cult.

“I became convinced that it’s a fraud,” Park Romney told the BBC, explaining his reason for leaving the Mormon fold.

The two visions of Mormonism the Romney cousins present could not be more starkly opposed. Park Romney, 56, is a former Mormon high priest, who turned against the church. On the stump Mitt Romney, 65, has avoided mentioning Mormonism, instead talking generally about his faith, but he has been an active lifelong member of the church. [[[ *** Park Romney, those fundies are aiming for you. At Park Road recently, but it made it to Talca . . . if not contrived to sabotage via article, some help here with the lawsuits please? Some people here need a long stint of re-education and that includes entire medical institutions and even portions of the psyche establishment . . . *** ]]]

“If that is what they believe, it’s probably a good thing they leave, because we’re not a cult”

Jeffrey Holland Mormon Church Elder

He was a Mormon missionary to France in the 1960s, studied at the almost-exclusively Mormon Brigham Young university and rose to become first bishop, then “Stake President” (diocesan leader) in his home state of Massachusetts.

He led Sunday services, ran Bible classes for children and looked after a 4,000-strong congregation in Boston for five years in the 1980s.

Like all Mormons, he is expected to give 10% of his annual income – no-one knows how much he is worth, but it is estimated at anywhere from $150 million to $1 billion – to the Church and not drink tea, coffee or alcohol.

Committed Mormons wear special under-garments, and Romney is believed to follow this tenet of his faith too.

Park Romney’s criticisms of the church are fundamental.

Along with other ex-Mormons, he questions founder Joseph Smith’s prophecies – for example Smith’s translation of an Egyptian scroll, part of the Mormon book of Abraham, which Egyptologists say is a fraud.
The Mormon faith

The church was founded in the 1820s in New York State before moving to Utah in 1860
Mormons believe their founder Joseph Smith found golden scripture plates buried by an angel
The church is estimated to have 14 million followers and to be worth $30bn (£18.9bn)
A recent poll said one in four Americans would be less likely to vote for a Mormon candidate

“There’s compelling evidence that the Mormon Church leaders knowingly and wilfully misrepresent the historical truth of their origins and of the Church for the purpose of deceiving their members into a state of mind that renders them exploitable,” says Park.

Such accusations are rarely heard in the US, a nation founded on the principle of freedom of religion.

“It’s not something you’re supposed to talk about,” says Prof Robert Putnam of Harvard Kennedy School.

“Whenever the issue of Romney’s Mormonism has come to the surface, there’s been lots of condemnation across the political spectrum for raising the issue of his religion,” says Putnam.

“I’m not saying it’s not relevant, but it’s not talked about in polite company.”

Mitt Romney’s biographer, Scott Helman, agrees.

“There are plenty of ways in which people try to cause alarm among some voters over it, but it’s not something you’re allowed to say explicitly,” he says.

“But a certain function of reminding voters who might have some predisposed notion about Mormonism that maybe it is strange, maybe it’s weird.”

Ex-Mormons tend to be the church’s most outspoken critics.

One thing that particularly agitates them is “shunning” – allegations that former church members are denied access to family members who remain in the church.

Park claims this has happened to him.

“I am alienated from my family,” he told the BBC.

“Their doctrine, their protocol and their culture as enforced by bishops encourages the families to disassociate themselves from the apostate.”
Mormon worshippers at annual conference – file pic 2009 The Church has its headquarters in Salt Lake City, Utah

Mormon Church elder Jeffrey Holland denies shunning occurs.

“We don’t use that word and we don’t know that practice.

“If I had a son or a daughter who left the Church or was alienated or had a problem, I can tell you I would not cut that child out of family life,” he states.

The Mormon Church maintains that it does a great deal of good. Its leaders say they have given more than $1bn in aid around the world since 1985.

The allegation that the Church is a cult, made by Park Romney and other ex-Mormons, is denied by Elder Holland.

“If that is what they believe, it’s probably a good thing they leave, because we’re not a cult.

“I have chosen this church because of the faith that I feel and the inspiration that comes, but if people want to call us a cult, you can call us a cult,” Elder Holland says from behind his desk.

“But we are 14 million and growing.”
ARTICLE 2

Why Mormons Don’t Drink Coffee or Tea – by Lura Lee

Have you noticed that most followers of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (LDS) commonly called Mormons, don’t drink coffee or tea? You’ll see them enjoying herbal teas (tisanes), hot cider, and many true believers even drink caffeinated soda. The casual observer may jump to the conclusion that this is 1) a law, 2) must have something to do with caffeine. Neither is accurate. This article goes into detail to explain the historical significance, context, and modern interpretation of the prohibition/exhortation against coffee and tea for Mormons.

The Word of Wisdom

Followers of the LDS church believe in a book of scripture called The Book of Mormon, and the concept of continuous revelation. They believe that the Holy Spirit continues to communicate with humans. Thus, the prophet Joseph Smith received a spontaneous manifestation of God’s insight for living correctly on February 27, 1833. This insight was written down and incorporated into the Doctrines and Covenants of the Church; specifically, these insights are referred to as the Word of Wisdom. It may be an apocryphal story, but it is said that Joseph Smith was moved to ask for God’s insight on the matter of tobacco, and the revelation that resulted included guidance related to the use of tobacco, “warm drinks”,”strong drinks”, wine, meat, herbs and grains.

A Word of Wisdom, for the benefit of the council of high priests, assembled in Kirtland, and the church, and also the saints in Zion-
To be sent greeting; not by commandment or constraint, but by revelation and the word of wisdom, showing forth the order and will of God in the temporal salvation of all saints in the last days
Given for a principle with promise, adapted to the capacity of the weak and the weakest of all saints, who are or can be called saints.
Behold, verily, thus saith the Lord unto you: In consequence of evils and designs which do and will exist in the hearts of conspiring men in the last days, I have warned you, and forewarn you, by giving unto you this word of wisdom by revelation-
That inasmuch as any man drinketh wine or strong drink among you, behold it is not good, neither meet in the sight of your Father, only in assembling yourselves together to offer up your sacraments before him.
And, behold, this should be wine, yea, pure wine of the grape of the vine, of your own make.
And, again, strong drinks are not for the belly, but for the washing of your bodies.
And again, tobacco is not for the body, neither for the belly, and is not good for man, but is an herb for bruises and all sick cattle, to be used with judgment and skill.
And again, hot drinks are not for the body or belly.
And again, verily I say unto you, all wholesome herbs God hath ordained for the constitution, nature, and use of man-
Every herb in the season thereof, and every fruit in the season thereof; all these to be used with prudence and thanksgiving.

The common hot drinks of the time were coffee and tea. But this was a dietary shift for Joseph Smith’s contemporaries, the generation of Mormon Pioneers.

No Man Knows My History: The Life of Joseph Smith by Fawn M. Brodie – Mormon Pioneers

Mormon pioneers had a relatively high literacy rate compared to other people around the world in the 1830s – 1850s. To a large extent, this can be attributed to the fact that they had

Protestant roots and they needed to read Scripture in order to properly practice their religious beliefs. Keep in mind that the United States at this time had no federal program of education for its citizenry. Most states and municipalities didn’t either. Compulsory, standardized, universal education was a reform of the early 1900s. Still, many of the middle-class pioneers were literate, kept diaries and read guide books prior to embarking on the overland journey west to Utah, which came to be known as the Mormon Trail.

The most popular books of the time were: William Clayton’s The Latter Day Saint’s Emigrant’s Guide (1848), and Joseph Ware’s The Emigrant’s Guide to California (1849). All of the guides of the time included recommendations for provisioning the wagons. For example, Andrew Child’s Overland Route guidebook included foodstuff recommendation for three men to include 50 pounds of coffee and 2 pounds of tea, even the LDS leadership recommended packing coffee, tea, and alcohol for the 1846 overland journey. But while they were packing the wagons, they may have contemplated the advantages of quitting any coffee or tea habit they had acquired while living in Illinois. They were fleeing religious persecution, after all, so they intended to minimize contact with non-believers, and coffee and tea won’t grow in Utah. So, to some extent, the rejection of tea and coffee amongst the Mormon Pioneers was a mechanism for building Mormon identity at the most basic, formative, constitutive level.
Next to Godliness?

The current debate over coffee, tea, caffeine, and other “hot drinks” boils down to a difference in interpretation about whether this particular portion of the Doctrines and Covenants is an outright prohibition or merely counsel. During the Temperance movement years, the Mormons referred to the Word of Wisdom to eschew alcohol consumption, and became associated with strict Prohibition reform. Around 1921, the Mormon Church switched from the use of wine in religious ceremony to water. Today, it seems that full participation in the Church (participation in the Mormon Temple) is granted to those who are strict adherents to the Words of Wisdom. But there is still room for debate on the specifics of what it means to “strictly” adhere to the tenets of the Words of Wisdom. Even today, there is a lot of discussion about whether it is just coffee and tea, whether cola is ok, whether decaf coffee and tea are ok, etc.

Essentially, the Church leaders recommend the rejection of any drink that might be habit forming. “With reference to cola drinks, the Church has never officially taken a position on this matter, but the leaders of the Church have advised, and we do now specifically advise, against the use of any drink containing harmful habit-forming drugs under circumstances that would result in acquiring the habit. Any beverage that contains ingredients harmful to the body should be avoided.”(Clifford J. Stratton, “Caffeine–The Subtle Addiction,” Tambuli, Mar. 1990, 25)

Now, coffee is seen as part of that slippery slope that leads away from God. Coffee, booze, marijuana, cocaine… all a defilement of the temple that God gave us.
If Not Coffee — What?

So, in lieu of coffee, what hot beverages do Mormons enjoy? Well, they used to drink Postum. They were crazy for Postum. Postum was a roasted grain and molasses drink produced by Kraft foods. It was discontinued from production in 2007. Mormons also favor the following drinks served both warm and cold: herbal tinctures, milk, and non-alcoholic apple drinks. They also enjoy Italian sodas, fruit drinks, and milkshakes.

Will the Next President Drink Coffee?

Presidential Candidate Mitt Romney isn’t interested in highlighting the differences between the LDS Church and other Christians. So he holds meet-n-greets in coffee shops where no one bothers to ask what’s in the coffee mug.

Does Mitt Romney drink coffee?

2011 Update: The site MittRomneyCentral.com posted a photo of Mitt Romney at a Tampa coffee shop in front of a coffee mug. Did he drink coffee? The author of this article contacted Buddy Brew Coffee and spoke to a barista working duirng his visit. It was confirmed that Mitt Romney did not drink coffee during his visit.

Separate but Together

To a large extent the Mormon decision to not drink coffee or tea is born out of a desire to separate from the common, everyday world. Mormons separate from worldly temptations in order to be closer to God. They also separate from other Christians, Muslims, and Jews in order to bind to one another and establish identity as a group. One tangible way in which they are separate but together is through the tradition of abstaining from coffee and tea.

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The occult significance if remembered accurately, (restating is NOT complete and blind belief – this is to remind any psycho-psyche DULLARD uncool people who are ready to ‘report’ ‘insane’ people . . . ) is the access to Satan’s face (lowest chakra point located) based on earlier postulations I made on this. With the aid of psychiatry and neuro suppressive drugs, various implants, control can be established by non-caffeine users against caffeine users? Perhaps tea in fact is another form of suppressant as well, NOT to be used among the working classes, and would appear to have effect on thetans? Is that why the Americans used to cut off the ears of Vietnamese? Do not use tea or coffee in the presence of the psychiatric establishment (who might be popping with psycho-active meds to increase their edge over everyone else etc..)?

Example of helpful medical implants used as instruments of control by the psychiatric and fundo religious establishment.

VNS and Me

ARTICLE 3

1966 or should we say…19666? by  – Texe Marrs

The year 1966 was a banner year for the Prince of Darkness. Approaching the dog days of summer in that momentous year, Anton LaVey, a decadent, ex-circus entertainer, also a Jew, formally founded the Church of Satan in San Francisco. The date: June 6, 1966, or 6-6-66.

Across the nation, in New England at Yale University in New Haven, Connecticut, a young man spent the year 1966 in his somber new residence, the Tomb. The Tomb is a gothic, mausoleum-like stone building just off campus, adjacent to an ancient cemetery complete with Masonic tombstones, odd-shaped crypts, and what is called the “garden of the dead.”

A New Name for a Jewish Bonesman

The young man’s name was John F. Kerry (really John F. Kohn, Jewish). The Tomb, in fact, is the home of Chapter 322 of the Order of Skull & Bones, a satanic, clandestine lodge of Freemasonry first organized in 1832. Each year, fifteen (15; 1+5=6) carefully chosen young men of preferred bloodlines take up residence inside its thick walls. At their initiation into The Order, each man lies naked inside a coffin and “bonds” with his fellow bonesmen by confessing his sexual thoughts and deeds from birth. Then, each initiate is given, as a memento, a human bone with his new name “inscribed” on it.

Most of the names given the bonesmen are either pagan or else blatantly satanic. The late Averell Harriman, who went on to become Governor of New York State and U.S. Ambassador to Stalin’s USSR, was named “Thor,” after the Viking deity. Henry Luce, prime controller of Time, Life, and other publishing interests, became “Baal,” and McGeorge Bundy, foreign advisor to President Lyndon B. Johnson, was tagged “Odin.”

The senior George Bush, at his initiation into Bones, was bequeathed the revealing title, “Magog,” a name identified in the Holy Bible as a chieftain of devils who plays a key role in prophetic events. Strangely, the name given his son, George W. Bush, by the Bonesmen was “Temporary.” I wonder why?

John Kerry speaks to the vicious, anti-Christian group, the Jewish ADL, May 6, 2004. Kerry has said that, if elected President, he will send 40,000 additional troops to Iraq.

It is a certainty that Kerry will fully execute the Illuminati’s agenda to conquer all Arab oil nations and turn over the rich assets of these countries to neighboring Israel. (Order revealing audiotape report, Hidden Agenda: Ten Awful Goals of the Illuminati’s World Zionist Council; $9 postpaid; phone toll free 1-800-234-9673.)

Long Devil Takes The Lead

My sources tell me that John Kerry’s occult, Bones’ name is none other than “Long Devil.” “Long Devil!” Of course, the man’s sizeable height might account for the “Long,” but what of “Devil?” Why did the influential alumni of Skull & Bones decide on this grotesque identity for John Kerry? What did—and do—they know?

Kerry (Yale, Class of ’66) went on to serve in the U.S. Navy in Vietnam, a nation then ravaged with bloodshed and war. Though in-country only four months, young Ensign (later Lt.) John

Kerry played a part in that bloodletting. Some say his refusal to release all his military personnel records indicates Kerry’s desire to cover-up ugly war crimes he personally helped commit.

On April 22, 1971, testifying before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, a hippie-like, long-haired John Kerry, by then a civilian, told the Senators he had evidence of horrific atrocities and war crimes by Americans—soldiers, sailors, and marines—who had “personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires to human genitalia and turned up the electric power, razed villages reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, and poisoned food stocks…”

Was Kerry himself a perpetrator of some of these satanic crimes?

I use the term “satanic” advisedly, yet, that description is fitting, for truly, Satan was the mastermind behind the tortures, torments, and murders committed in Vietnam, both by Americans and by the Vietnamese.

Christianity to Vanish and Shrink

Yes, ’66 was a classic year for the old Devil. That was also the year that Beatle John Lennon assured the world that Christianity was on the way out:
“Christianity will go. It will vanish and shrink… I’m right and I will be proved right. We’re more popular than Jesus now.”

Lennon, McCartney, and the other Beatles promptly went over to India to worship Hindu gurus, and they introduced their gurus and other vestiges of Eastern mysticism to western culture.

All done in a haze of marijuana, LSD, and cocaine.

The Illuminati-supervised CIA helped things along. The U.S. intelligence agency put Satanist Jerry Garcia and his Grateful Dead band (Al Gore’s favorite rock group, says Rolling Stone magazine) on its payroll. The CIA, according to Gerald Heard and SRI International, distributed tons of LSD to a spaced-out youth generation. This was a mind control experiment of the Illuminati elite.

The 60s saw Hollywood’s satanic sex classic, Rosemary’s Baby, hit theaters, a movie for which Church of Satan High Priest Anton LaVey acted as a consultant. Actor John Cassavettes, who played Rosemary’s Satan-worshipping husband in the movie, also played in a role in the movie, The Dirty Dozen.

By the end of the indulgent decade of the 60s, America had borne witness to blood murder, sexual kinkiness, and other Satanic mayhem on a truly epic scale, culminating in 1969’s Manson Family murders.  Satanist Charles Manson was inspired by Anton LaVey.

Others, too, were inspired by LaVey. Famous black actor/singer Sammy Davis, Jr., became both a religious Jew and a practicing Satanist, joining LaVey’s macabre congregation of devil cultists. Blonde bombshell Jayne Mansfield also joined the cult, as did scores of other Hollywood and Las Vegas types.

As far as Satan was concerned, ’66 was a very good year. Anton LaVey, a Christ-hating Jew, shown here performing a ritual with disciple, actress Jayne Mansfield, founded the Church of Satan in ’66. Meanwhile, John Kerry (Yale, Class of ’66) was enjoying the benefits of residence at The Tomb, headquarters of the Order of Skull & Bones.

But, let us again return to the subject of our essay: Long Devil, John Kerry.

Joining Hands with Mr. Chappaquiddick, Ted Kennedy

John Kerry has been, as we all know, richly rewarded for his faithfulness to Lucifer’s cause. Pretending to be an Irish Catholic, Kerry first became Massachusetts Lt. Governor, serving under a fellow occultist, super-liberal Governor Michael Dukakis. Then he joined “Mr. Chappaquiddick,” Ted (Catholic and Rosicrucian) Kennedy as a U.S. Senator, being elected from the state popularly known as The Peoples Republic of Massachusetts.

John Kerry seems to like things “Red.” Here he is sitting atop his bright, fire-red motorcycle (Insight magazine, April 13, 2004). He reportedly once took a $10,000 bribe from Johnny Chung, a lobbyist for Red China, and a Communist museum in Vietnam today proudly displays a picture of Senator John Kerry embracing Red Communist leaders. Kerry’s wife, Teresa, is a funder of numerous Red Communist causes. She originally hails from Mozambique, in Africa, a Marxist-led country. Insiders believe that during the Vietnam War, USN-Lt John Kerry aided in Operation Phoenix, whose symbol, or logo, was the red dragon!

All along, Kerry has kept his ties to various Communist front groups. At virtually every campaign stop today, you’ll see Kerry flash the old Communist clenched-fist salute, an enduring symbol of one’s devotion to Marxism/Leninism philosophy.

“Communism is Jewish,” the late Rabbi Stephen Wise proudly proclaimed. Indeed, Gus Hall, the man honored as the Chairman of the Soviet-funded Communist Party U.S.A. for so long, was a Jew. Like Kerry, he had changed his name to hide his Jewish race.

Comrade John Kerry frequently gives the Communist clenched-fist salute. The late Bella Abzug, Communist Congresswoman from New York and feminist gal-pal of Hillary Clinton, also loved displaying the Leninist/Stalinist salute.

The Lubavitchers and Kerry

Kerry’s brother, Cameron, is likewise a Jew, and proud of it. Recently, he marched side-by-side with a leader of the Lubavitcher sect in New York City. The occasion was the “Israel Day

Parade.” The Lubavitchers are a radical Jewish Orthodox sect. Many of them believe their late fuhrer, Rabbi Menachem M. Schneerson, will rise from the dead to become the Jewish Messiah, Dictator of the World. They affectionately call Schneerson their “Rebbe.”

Cameron Kerry (right) sporting a “Pro-Israel, Pro-Kerry” t-shirt, attends an Israel Day Parade with friend, Yankel Wice, influential Lubavitcher leader and lawyer for the National

Association of Jewish Legislators.

If, however, the departed Schneerson does not show in time, John Kerry, the Jews’ new hero, may be just what their Master, the devil, orders. After all, Kerry is not only Jewish, his very name, albeit covert in nature, is “Long Devil.” How very appropriate a name for the antichrist. The Lubavitchers would likely not know him as antichrist. To them, he would probably be received as their beloved “Rebbe.”

Christians to Have Heads Chopped Off

The antichrist, the Bible prophesies in Revelation 13, “will make war against the saints” of God. He will have Christians and other resisters to his New World Order beheaded, say the scriptures.

Not surprisingly, the Lubavitchers—and many other Jewish groups—are big advocates of the Noahide Laws. They once actually got President George H.W. Bush (the senior Bush) and the U.S.

Senate to pass a resolution praising both their beloved Rebbe, Menachem M. Schneerson, and the Noahide Laws. And what, do tell, do the Noahide Laws say?

Well for one thing, the Noahide Laws require all Gentiles (Yes, Gentiles) to be “righteous.” Being righteous is defined as not worshipping idols. And Jesus is declared in the Talmud to be an idol!

In summary, under the Noahide Laws, all Christians who worship Jesus Christ are idolaters and will be duly punished by beheading!

Shouldn’t John Kerry’s Jewish brother, Cameron Kerry, a lawyer and pro-Israel activist and fanatic, be asked about his association with the Lubavitchers and other Jewish Talmudists?

Especially in light of Cameron Kerry’s recent trips to Israel, where he was wined and dined by Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, the bloodthirsty Butcher of Lebanon?

ARTICLE 4

WESTERN CULTURE AND SOCIETY :  THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (USA) – American Religion

RELIGION IN AMERICA:

The United States is a country of many religions. The first words of the Bill of Rights to the U.S. Constitution say: “Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” Therefore, state does not establish, or endorse, or favor a particular form of religion and citizens are free to practice the religion they choose.

This tradition of religious freedom runs deep in America. Many of this nation’s early settlers were religious communities fleeing persecution in Europe; they were seeking a place where they could practice their own religion far from the state-sanctioned religions of their native countries.

America supports over 2000 different religious denominations, and in which more than 60 percent of the citizens can be found at least once a month in one of the almost 500,000 churches, temples and mosques.

Islam is considered one of the fastest-growing religions in the United States today. There are over 1,200 mosques in the United States – more than 60 percent founded in the last 20 years. The typical American mosque is ethnically diverse; nearly 90 percent have some Asian, African-American, and Arab members.

Early in their history, Americans rejected the concept of the established or government-favored religion that had dominated, and divided, so many European countries.

One of the first permanent settlements in what became the North American colonies was founded by English Puritans, Calvinists who had been outsiders in their homeland, where the Church of England was established. The Puritans settled in Massachusetts, where they grew and prospered.

The state of Rhode Island, is well known as a place where everyone enjoyed religious freedom throughout history. Two other states originated as havens for people being persecuted for their religious beliefs: Maryland as a refuge for Catholics and Pennsylvania for the Society of Friends (Quakers), a Protestant group whose members believe in plain living.

Even after the adoption of the Constitution in 1787 and the Bill of Rights (which includes the First Amendment) in 1791, Protestantism continued to enjoy a favored status in some states.

Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) were jailed in the 19th century for practicing polygamy (subsequently the Mormon Church withdrew its sanction of polygamy). More recently, parents have been convicted of criminal negligence for refusing to obtain medical help for their ailing children, who went on to die, even though the parents’ religious beliefs dictated that they refuse treatment because faith would provide a cure.

PROTESTANTS:

Liberal American Protestantism in the 19th century was allied with similar trends in Europe, where scholars were reading and interpreting the Bible in a new way. They questioned the validity of biblical miracles and traditional beliefs about the authorship of biblical books. There was also the challenge of Charles Darwin’s theory of evolution to contend with. If human beings were descended from other animals, as most scientists came to believe, then the story of Adam and Eve, the biblical first parents, could not be literally true.

What distinguished 19th-century liberal Protestants from their 20th-century counterparts was optimism about the human capacity for improvement. Some of the early ministers believed that the church could accelerate progress by trying to reform society. In the spirit of the gospels, they began to work on behalf of the urban poor. Today’s liberal clergymen — not just Protestants but Catholics and others, too — may be less convinced that progress is inevitable, but many of them have continued their efforts on behalf of the poor by managing shelters for homeless people, feeding the hungry, running day-care centers for children, and speaking out on social issues.

Evangelical Christians favor an impassioned, participatory approach to religion, and their services are often highly charged, with group singing and dramatic sermons that evoke spirited responses from the congregation. The South, in particular, became a bastion of this “old-time religion,” and the conservative Baptist church is very influential in that region. In recent decades some preachers have taken their ministry to television, preaching as “televangelists” to large audiences.

The trend toward removing religious teaching and practices from public schools has prompted some parents to send their children to religious schools and others to educate their children at home.

CATHOLICS AND RELIGIOUS SCHOOLS:

By the time of the Civil War, over one million Irish Catholics had come to the United States. In a majority Protestant country, they and Catholics of other backgrounds were subjected to prejudice.

Although Catholics were never denied access to public schools or hospitals, beginning in the 19th century they built institutions of their own, which met accepted standards while observing the tenets of Catholic belief and morality. On the other hand, the Catholic Church does not require its members to go to church-run institutions. Many Catholic students attend public schools and secular colleges. But Catholic schools still educate many Catholic young people, as well as a growing number of non-Catholics, whose parents are attracted by the discipline and quality of instruction.

JEWISH FAITHS:

Like Catholics, Jews were a small minority in the first years of the American republic. Until the late 19th century, most Jews in America were of German origin. Anti-Jewish prejudice was not a big problem before the Civil War. But when Jews began coming to America in great numbers, anti-Jewish groups appeared.

Usually, Jewish children attended public schools and took religious instruction in special Hebrew schools. The children of Jewish immigrants moved rapidly into the professions and into American universities, where many became intellectual leaders.

To combat prejudice and discrimination, Jews formed the B’nai Brith Anti-Defamation League, which has played a major role in educating Americans about the injustice of prejudice and making them aware of the rights, not only of Jews, but of all minorities.

By the 1950s Americans were described as coming in three basic varieties — Protestant, Catholic, and Jew. The order reflects the numerical strength of each group: In the 1990 census, Protestants of all denominations numbered 140 million; Catholics, 62 million; and Jews, 5 million.

Today the three-faith formula is obsolete. The Islamic faith also has 5 million, Buddhism and Hinduism are growing with the arrival of immigrants from countries where these are the majority religions. In some cases, inner-city Christian churches whose congregations have moved to the suburbs have sold their buildings to Buddhists, who have refitted them to suit their practices.

ALTERNATIVE RELIGIONS:

America has been a fertile ground for new religions. The Mormon and Christian Science Churches are perhaps the best-known of the faiths that have sprung up on American soil. Because of its tradition of noninterference in religious matters, the United States has also provided a comfortable home for many small sects from overseas. The Amish, for example, descendants of German immigrants who reside mostly in Pennsylvania and neighboring states, have lived simple lives, wearing plain clothes and shunning modern technology, for generations.

Some small groups are considered to be religious cults because they profess extremist beliefs and tend to glorify a founding figure. As long as cults and their members abide by the law, they are generally left alone. Religious prejudice is rare in America, and interfaith meetings and cooperation are commonplace.

Most Americans think religion is a personal matter not usually discussed in everyday conversation. The vast majority practice their faith quietly in whatever manner they choose — as members of one of the traditional religious denominations, as participants in nondenominational congregations, or as individuals who join no organized group. However Americans choose to exercise their faith, they are a spiritual people. Nine out of ten Americans express some religious preference.

WHAT IS A CULT?

The term “cult” is used to describe certain religious groups outside of the mainstream of Western religion. Social scientists divide religious groups into three categories: churches, sects, and cults.

“Churches” are the large denominations with an inclusive approach to life and include such groups as the Roman Catholic Church, the United Methodist Church, the American Baptist Church, the United Church of Christ and the Protestant Episcopal Church.

“Sects” are groups that have broken away from the main church. Sects follow the same pattern as mainstream religion but are more strict in behavioral demands placed upon members and emphasize their separation and distinctiveness from the larger culture.

“Cults” follow a very different religious structure. When social scientists began their discussion of cults in the 1920s, they were aware of only a few cult groups. A survey of religion in America (1949) listed twenty-seven cults.

The Christian approach to cults would include every group which has departed from orthodox Christianity (such as the Church of Christ, Scientist, the Latter Day Saints, and the Jehovah’s Witnesses) as well as those groups which have never made any claim to be Christian.

More recently there have been many debates on cults since the 1970s. The debates involved speaking to parents of people who were concerned with changes in their sons and daughters who had joined particular religious groups. These “cults”–The Children of God, the Church of Armageddon, the Unification Church, the International Society for Krishna Consciousness, and the Church of Scientology–had, they claimed, radically altered the personality of their children.

Anti-cult groups began to speak of “destructive cults,” groups which hypnotized or brainwashed recruits, destroyed their ability to make rational judgments and turned them into slaves of the group’s leader. Marcia Rudin, a popular anti-cult writer, listed fourteen commonly accepted characteristics of a cult:

Members swear total allegiance to an all-powerful leader who they believe to be the Messiah.
Rational thought is discouraged or forbidden.
The cult’s recruitment techniques are often deceptive.
The cult weakens the follower psychologically by making him or her depend upon the group to solve his or her problems.
The cults manipulate guilt to their advantage.
The cult leader makes all the career and life decision of the members.
Cults exist only for their own material survival and make false promises to work to improve society.
Cult members often work fulltime for the group for little or no pay.
Cult members are isolated from the outside world and any reality testing it could provide.
Cults are antiwoman, antichild, and antifamily.
Cults are apocalyptic and believe themselves to be the remnant who will survive the soon-approaching end of the world.
Many cults follow an “ends justify the means” philosophy.
Cults, particularly in regard to their finances, are shrouded in secrecy.
There is frequently an aura of or potential for violence around cults.

Anti-cult literature reflects a great concern with approximately 15 groups, though as many as 75 to 100 have received passing mention. Only five groups–the Unification Church, the Children of God, the Church of Scientology, the International Society for Krishna Consciousness, and The Way International–have received consistent coverage over the years of the anti-cult movement’s existence. Everyone who has looked at the cults agrees that the number of alternative religious groups has grown significantly during the twentieth century.

Only a few of the older cults–the Jehovah’s Witnesses, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints–have attained a broad membership throughout the nation. Of those groups formed in the twentieth century, only a few, such as the American Muslim Mission (found in 1930), can count their membership in the tens of thousands. The more famous of the contemporary cults, such as the Unification Church (with 5,000 to 7,000 members) or the Hare Krishna (with approximately 2,500 initiated members), can count their membership in the thousands.

The large immigration of Asians in the last half of the nineteenth century brought the first Buddhist and Hindu teachers to the United States and threatened many West Coast residents. California could have become like Hawaii, which is one third Buddhist

The nonconventional religions also vary widely in their recruitment processes. Some, particularly those with Evangelical Christian roots (and a few which are Eastern, but reacting to Christian missionary activity) have an aggressive program of membership enlistment. Most others rely upon the distribution of literature or the sponsoring of introductory classes to which a potential convert must make the initial effort and attend.

Life in a Cult – Once a person joins a nonconventional religious group, he or she must begin to adapt to group life. New recruits will go through a program of education in group beliefs and practices.

Evangelical Christianity has been the mainstream of religion in America. In its attempts to be true to traditional Protestant Christian affirmations, it has been among the most conservative of religious forces and has commanded the largest segment of the religious public.

THE ANTI-CULT MOVEMENT:

The Problem of Religion: During the 1970s several trends in American religion came together. Since the American Revolution, this country has been shaken by periods of social protest followed by national religious revivals in which the entire population, regardless of religious affiliation, gave a heightened attention to religious concerns. During such periods, new and alternative religions have been born or given surges of growth while the more traditional churches reaped the bulk of the harvest. Such a national revival occurred in the early 1970s on the heels of the social protests of the 1960s.

The first anticult association was called the Parents’ Committee to Free Our Children from the Children of God (later shortened to “Free the Children of God,” and popularly called “FREECOG”).

From its beginning, the anticult movement focused upon a single problem, the distress of parents whose young adult sons and daughters (to whom the literature typically refers as “children” regardless of age) had abandoned home, career, college, and a “normal” future for membership in a demanding nonconventional religion (i.e., a cult).

The anti-cult movement can point to one clear success. In its first decade of activity it has impressed upon the popular consciousness a negative image of cults. The media gave the anti-cult movement widespread coverage in both magazines and newspapers, which have featured accounts of life in and out of the cults by former members.

CHURCH OF CHRIST, SCIENTIST:

Because of its espousal of spiritual healing and its affirmation that Christian Science is incompatible with reliance upon materia medica, the Church of Christ, Scientist has been one of the most important of the nonconventional religions in America as well as a matter of intense controversy from the day of its founding.

The Church of Christ, Scientist was founded by Mary Baker Eddy (1821-1919) who as a young woman had been continually hobbled with poor health. In 1862 she learned of Dr. Phineas Parkhurst Quimby, a mental healer in Portland, Maine. In October of that year she traveled to Portland and placed herself under his care. She soon experienced some relief of her symptoms which she ascribed to his efforts. She became his student and took the opportunity, when offered, to pass them on to others.

THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS (MORMON):

The most successful of the many groups which have been labeled “cult”, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has over two million members and dominates the religious life of the Rocky Mountain area from Boise, Idaho, to Phoenix, Arizona. Started in the early nineteenth century, it has grown steadily worldwide.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, popularly called the Mormons, was founded by Joseph Smith, Jr. (born December 23, 1805 in Sharon, Vermont). As a youth, Smith had moved from Vermont to western New York, near the town of Palmyra.

In 1839 the Mormons established the community at Nauvoo, Illinois which soon grew into the largest city in the state. A new temple was begun, and the Church entered a growth phase. During this period the first of the European mission efforts (later a major source of members) was launched.

They introduced the practice of polygamy and began by setting an example for the other Church leaders. The exact number of Smith’s plural wives is still a matter of conjecture (estimates range from 27 to 84), but there is little doubt that polygamy caused immense problems for the Church.

In 1852 they announced the practice of plural marriage as public doctrine and began a battle with the United States government that was to last for the rest of the century. In 1862 the first federal anti-polygamy bill was passed, and efforts were increased to prevent its practice. These efforts were strengthened in 1882 with the passage of the Edmunds Bill, which disenfranchised all people living in polygamy, and the 5-member Utah Commission established to enforce the provisions.

During the twentieth century polygamy was eradicated from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, but it continued in Mormon territory, especially in Mexico where it was not illegal. A large Fundamentalist (polygamy-practicing community) still exists in the Western United States and Northern Mexico.

Members of the church are expected to refrain from the use of tea, coffee, tobacco, and alcohol.

JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES:

Jehovah’s Witnesses are interested in you and your welfare. They want to be your friends and to tell you more about themselves, their beliefs, their organization, and how they feel about people and the world in which all of us live.

The name Jehovah appears almost 7,000 times in the original Hebrew Scriptures. Most Bibles do not show it as such but substitute “God” or “Lord” for it.

In just a century and a half the Seventh-day Adventist Church has grown from a handful of individuals, who carefully studied the Bible in their search for truth, to a world-wide community of over eight million members and millions of others who regard the Adventist Church their spiritual home. The name “Seventh-day Adventist” was chosen in 1860.

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Put 1 and 1 together, and beware of Xian fundo-leaning factions in DAP who’s agenda is not betterment of the Rakyat but self serving parasitisation of the people with a fundo slant, and even PAS’s fundo factions (God knows what these 2 top cliques leaders get up to talking about the Rakyat as if we had no choice in how we should live – DAP and PAS need to amend laws not plot and carve up Malaysia) – that may never want to end apartheid (again kudos to Hadi for sticking to distribution of power principles by not running for MB and sticking to the MP’s posts onlyb (though term limitles issue does arise), very rare this day separation of powers unlike others who hold multiple posts and undemocratically and unethically hold multiple posts (i.e. PM and Finance Minister, Council Chair and CM, MP’s seat and Assemblyman’s seat, etc.. – this is compoiunded by family members in the same position . . . ) . . . but the stand on other things is somewhat unclear to a degree and the public has no access to ask . . . ). Groups like Dong Jiao Zhong should field their own candidates, and those in DAP not of the nepotistic clique, or fence sitters, had better leave DAP if the nepotistic central committee’s family blocs cannot be displaced and join PCM or any 3rd Force parties (BN being too apartheid to vote for).

Does the UN know what is going on here in 3rd world Malaysia? Does this warrant Peacekeepers? An audit and withdrawal (also name and shame to vindicate so many victims) of offending psyche establishment ‘professionals’ degrees, or even other degree disciplines may be needed to keep some of our more ‘vocal activists’ safe from abuse? Some of us want to be among neutral citizens, live in a neutral agenda free world, not among cultists and religious fundos posing as politicians or regular citizens while claiming people they don’t like or who have different beliefs from them as being seriously mentally ill and needing to be put away, while the fundos and psyches themselves need to be put away.

I am sure this whole near 2 decades long episode has exposed a wider network of abuse and abusers that Interpol and even UN can act upon, the good guys and bad guys and their methods are now clearer outlined than ever . . . does the UN do lawsuits on behalf of peoples oppressed or abused in the 3rd world? Otherwise racists and corrupt 3rd world political warlords? Whatever citizens not of the above fundo-psyche abuse-racist types, please make sure you know why you vote for and only by the below criteria :

1) Freedom from Apartheid/Fascism
2) Freedom from Religious-Persecution/Religious-Supremacy. (anyone favouring any faith is no safe choice)
3) Equality for all ethnicities and faiths in all aspects of policy, Law and Constitution.

3 Articles on Spiritual Issues : Xianity Critiques, Reclaiming Losses in West-East Religious Wars waged by Hollywood (Buddhism being the weapon of choice against Hinduism), Nusantaran Animism of the Orang Asli attacked by Pakatan inspired Monotheism – reposted by @AgreeToDisagree

ARTICLE 1

The Bitter History Of The Man-Made God, page 1 – Topic started on 5-3-2012 @ 09:57 AM by Starchild23

The modern “God”, as defined by man, is a ruthless tyrant, and man a blind race of sheep. I will keep this short, as I don’t feel like providing specific examples. Those of you who have read the Bible, or are familiar with its stories…you who remain utterly faithful to the literal interpretation of its fables…you are the ones I am addressing. You are the blind ones, the ones who believe in the man-defined God (despite the fact that man, as he is, could never hope to understand God) and the ones who will know what I’m talking about as I explain this.

God is a tyrant, and unworthy of our worship (not that we need to worship ANYTHING).

Here is my justification in stating this. God arrogantly created man without the knowledge of good and evil, then demanded that they obey a rule which requires the knowledge of good and evil, then kicked them out when they fail to do so as a result of being inadequately equipped to deal with the issue. Not stopping there, he proceeded to cast Satan out into the same world as them, so that no matter what they did, they would fall into the same trap again and again.

Afterwards, God kills a bunch of people for not paying any attention to him, then plays with them, testing to see what kind of depraved acts they are willing to commit to save their own skins from “damnation”, before going “PSYCHE! got ya! ”

Then God sends his only son to be killed in order to save the people, tricking them into accepting his gift of absorbing all sin, then demanding payment in the form of eternal servitude…the alternative being the fiery pits of hell for all of forever.

And in the end, he will completely ransack the earth, killing half of his blindly devoted servants and making the other half question his sanity, before sending his son back saying, “Did you miss me?” and destroying anyone who ever questioned him. Unless they beg like dogs, of course.

This is the God we have been encouraged to worship for centuries. A loving God, yet a malicious and jealous God. A contradictory, egotistical, whimsical, and highly vindictive all-mighty being.

Is this the entity we are supposed to put our faith in? One that, for all of his power, can think of no other way to erase our sins or redeem our souls than to kill his own son and demand that we serve him for all of eternity?

I call troll. And if you disagree, then you choose to remind faithfully blind. Me, I was given brains for a reason. I’m not choosing ignorance. And let me make it clear that this description (which I firmly believe to be accurate) applies to man’s definition of God. The God we are lead to worship these days is not truly a god, but man’s definition of God. I do not worship a definition. I do not worship a sloppily drawn, crumpled, half burnt image…which is what man’s version of God amounts to. I don’t even believe that the true god desires to be worshiped. I believe that given the choice, the true god would rather have us love each other than Him/Her/It. Because if all it leads to is wars, then why exist at all?

I believe in a god…but not the god that is being pushed upon us by our peers. This is a god who has been constructed, drawn, colored in, and defined by the very men who worship him. Man, who has crippled and despoiled both the world and him/herself. I don’t worship man’s ideals, or anything that has been interpreted by man.

I trust in the true god, not this malicious, vindictive tyrant which the Bible itself says is “jealous and angry.”

Jealousy and anger are not symptoms of true love. And any omnipotent, omniscient and benevolent being would know this.

Wake up, and recognize the true god…the one within you. Namaste.

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This article would have been good if not for the proselytizative ‘hail’ FAIL in the form of Namaste at the end of the article. Unsubtle. Just makes people hate Hinduism (not that Hindu is hateful in itself), as much as any ethnically centralized faith does not encompass everyone.

I have often wondered about the bullying nature and innate bloodthirst emanating from the words within some religious texts and dropped Xianity quite quickly because the ‘jealous god’ thing. A jealous god deserves no worship and probably is evil in nature. Whats so godly about god that behaves like a sick minded jealous ‘ex’ or a childish ‘angry’ teen (Sounds like a great ?porn? title  . . . (Jealous and Angry Exes From The Kingdom of God . . . )? Worship occurs of the follower’s free will if the God is good, also needs the follower’s personality to be compatible with the ‘commandments’ of that god. Otherwise no worship for that god. The Christ triple entity was a man, but grew as another might have and still may, into the Son of God after deifying the Mother (who became an immaculate conceiver, this is not unknown in nature and CAN occur in hermaphrodites . . .).

Any man (being an image of God), can grow into Sainthood/Anti-Sainthood via many paths (isolation so as to communicate with the spirit appropriate to one’s nature, tantric practices, sacrifice of others (hence the taste for war and on a civilian scale – murder, serial or otherwise), sacrifice of self, formation of world wide hierarchies, propagation of culture and language (this can be reversed or countered via massive populations or cultural programming, linguistic insularism), military might and proselytization being the lowest and weakest, easiest to displace form of Sainthood), and can if well read enough, eventually begin a new religion to finally claim relations to the existing ‘God’ who will most doubtless make known signs of that attempt’s success.

A Holy Book and body of evidence and life events, some of which becomes Apocrypha that splinter sects take up to justify more claimants to godhead by relation, via forming hierarchies, gathering massive wealth, but the truest form of such attempts when enmired in gross materia rather than spiritia, result in the twisted mobs of insane claiming the status of faithful, others becoming inquisitors to tyrannise the population, and others sacrificing lives via crusading – the first ends up as limited/discriminating Ecclesia that can never encompass all humanity, the second tend to be the mirror opposite of paedophiles (both different sides of the same coin), the third depending on the victory of defeat are intended REVISIONISTS or book burners that will rewrite history and befuddle the minds of future generations as typical barbarians do.

It is well possible that overpopulation with low caste persons lowers spiritual power of man overall, that population needs to be lowered so that other species can grow to balance humanity or somehow have other species match humanity’s growth to balance energic balance, humans per se are not balanced emanators of energy, without the other lifeforms’ emanations – which will gather in spirit (en masse) in HUMANS instead to which any individual’s will (the more balanced the more right being given to determine the destiny of the planet) may express itself.

ARTICLE 2

India constructing larger replica of Angkor Wat – The new version of the landmark is set to become the world’s largest Hindu temple complex – by Zoe Li, Hong Kong Editor 6 March, 2012

Angkor Wat replicaThe symbol of Cambodia, soon to be shared by Bihar, India.

Imitation might be the the sincerest form of flattery, but in the global tourism racket replication is the sincerest form of poaching on someone else’s turf.

There’s the “Eiffel Tower” in Las Vegas, and, of course, the entire Austrian village currently being cloned by a Chinese company.

None of these “if you can’t beat ’em, copy ’em” projects, however, are as audacious as the one now underway in India, where a larger version of Cambodia’s UNESCO World Heritage Site Angkor Wat is being built on the banks of the Ganges in the state of Bihar.

A foundation-laying ceremony for the temple took place on March 5 at the 16-hectare site near Hajipur, about 25 kilometers north of Bihar’s capital Patna.

The Mahavir Mandir Trust will undertake the US$20 million project that will take an estimated 10 years to complete. The trust has built a number of hospitals and temples in Bihar, mainly funded by donations.

“The launch of the project has been timed to coincide with the ongoing centenary year celebrations of the foundation of Bihar,” the trust’s secretary, Acharya Kishore Kunal, told The Hindustan Times.

Angkor Wat is Cambodia’s national icon and was built in the early 12th century by King Suryavarman II.

It was first a Hindu temple dedicated to Lord Vishnu. Later it became a Buddhist site.

Bihar’s version of Angkor Wat will be called Virat Angkor Wat Ram temple. It hopes to claim the title of world’s largest Hindu temple complex with the tallest point reaching 67.6 meters, slightly taller than the original.

“The selected site for construction of the temple has mythological significance,” said Kunal of the site in the Vaishali district. “It is believed that the deities Ram, Lakshman and Vishvamitra had visited and were welcomed by King Sumati of the Vaishali kingdom.”

Angkor Wat is Cambodia’s biggest tourist draw and appears on the Cambodian flag. The number of foreign visitors at Cambodia’s Angkor Wat Archaeological Park reached 206,000 in January 2012, nearly 30 percent more than the same month last year.

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Occult Theories on what is going on behind a supposedly simple building project.

Look here, the Chola Imperium and other ethnic Indian empires dominated alongside China, the Indo-Chinese region all the way to the borders of China, Australia, up to Zoroastrian Persia (modern Iran, less so Afghanistan, tajikistan and Pakistan though Indian cultural influences are known to have had headways even then – at least until the 2nd Crusade Golden Horde Mongols charged through the region after the first crusade as Hun Mongols possibly . . . ) and controlled even the southern and middle regions of the Malay (Orang Asli) archipelago and the Western parts Indonesia. That is why there was even an Angkor Wat at all. What this building does, is recall and revive the Indian Hindu-cratic Imperium centralised in India. The Cham and other co-opted proto-Malay/Orang-Asli/Aboriginal peoples were very much Hindu for centuries (until the rise of the Malacca Sultanate perhaps?) and mixed with Indian bloodlines in some cases.

This is no copy but a REVIVAL. Who knows the Vaishali Court could be revived as well? If India installs a High Priest at this new temple with the appropriate symbolism and intent etc.. Cambodia could well again be a spiritual colony of India rather than a spiritual PUPPET of the West. Cambodia, you should know that your neighbours are Asians and headed by India and China, why do you attempt to be the Israel of East Asia and try to offend these 2 powers? The more we look at things, Hollywood appears more like a propaganda weapon than anything else, while entertaining, being full of agenda makes the outfit not much pleasure to be around.

if you can’t beat ’em, copy ’em” is inaccurate, India CAN actually beat Cambodia military at any time, and is not copying Cambodia but REMINDING ‘them’ instead where the Angkor Wat structure was conceived. Nepal is where Buddhism came from, India is where Hinduism came from, the architecture in Angkor is HINDU. The Buddhists merely co-opted the structure. Quite rude of CNN to say this is copying, more skewed reporting CNN? If you read Buddhist history, a terrible affront was made to Agni by cobnversion of Agni’s worshippers to Buddhism during the would be egregore Buddha’s early days, and shaving of their hair (which are the gift of the gods).

Occultism wise, this is India’s (and also Hinduism’s) response to the seemingly innocuous ‘The Cradle of Life’ Die Wiege des Lebens 2003 and nominally the ‘Temple of Doom’ Steven Spielberg 1984. Fully expect that Die Wiege des Lebens and Steve Spielberg are BOTH Masons and Occultists, Hindu India is now retaliating and ‘recalling’ if you ask me. Both Buddhism and Hinduism are fighting for dominance with West partly using Buddhism, making spiritual inroads into Indo-China via Cambodia AND Buddhism as well as Tibet AND Buddhism – suffice to say Buddhism is being used as a weapon of ‘Reverse Spiritual Colonisation’ against the East (or the Indian and Chinese members of the BRICS – Russia and the best of Marxism only being partially subverted through Gorbachev).

There’s the “Eiffel Tower” in Las Vegas that is occult in intent (siphoning off the luck of of France to that gambling capital if you ask me), and, of course, the entire Austrian village currently being cloned by a Chinese company is a way to keep tourist dollars back home, and for the poorer Chinese who cannot afford the exchange rate and may never get to go to Europe because it the trip will be too expensive. I think after these series of events, the ether and astral would be conscious and aware of what is happening in film and satellite emissions henceforth. There will be no more trickery of the akhasic and any ‘God-forms’ via these false events that have no reality equivalent in the physical world.

If the colonial powers would be ready to return all stolen physical artifacts as identified throughout this blog, they may yet have a future among the conscientious and honest among mankind whatever their faith system, otherwise Arizona (perhaps the worst of slaughters in NAs???) and California (Hollywood may have brought down that state) and any other locations offending, (for a start at any rate) will be ‘finished’.

ARTICLE 3
TE Lawrence’s diaries – Ubar – location of Iram / Iram- city of Pillars / Iram- city of Pillars

Set in the sweltering Arabic deserts and other locales, Nathan Drake is once again accompanied by Victor ‘Sully’ Sullivan in a quest to find the mythical city ‘Iram of the Pillars’ .

The story goes that Iram was a magnificent city that was the jewel of the desert sand. Many ancient kings and kingdoms traded with Iram and it flourished unperturbed until a chance encounter with the Deity, who disapproved of certain practice. According to Islamic texts Legend has it that the King Shahhad defied warnings from a prophet Husd regarding certain practices and God unleashed huis fury on the city. It was driven into the sands, its glory, wealth and its people perishing into the endless sands of the desert. Referred to in some texts as Ubar ( it is the region that is called Ubar and the people Ubarites) Iram is considered forever lost. Westerners become aware of this legendary lost city in the translations of 1001 Arabian Nights. The legendary Lawrence of Arabia himself, TE Lawrence, referred to the city as the ‘Atlantis of the Sands’.

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Now here’s a spiritual theory on the spiritual background alongside the comings and goings of political parties and the original peoples of East Malaysia which the village shamans of the Orang Asli, (Orang Asli being the original inhabitants of East Malaysia since 50,000 b.c. or even earlier, with Nusantaran Animism the original faith system 1000s of years old, and Islam only present from the later 1800s onwards for East Malaysia and 1200s for West Malaysia . . . ), could best relate to.

When DAP of the Pakatan Coalition used the ‘Ubah’ puppet (as the ‘initiated’ or those studied know – the mascot has a variable power of sorts – which is why China dropped the 5 cartoon mascots for their own Olympics at the last moment) using the innocuous Hornbill no less, to court the OrangAsli with, DAP was in fact  mounting a spiritual attack on the orang asli’s spiritualism. The intent was to make Ubah the mascot of the Orang Asli, and be extension make Ubah UBAR and thus related that the Orang Asli are a ‘LOST’ people, removing the shamanistic Nusantaran Animist ‘Deitys influence ‘ which doubtless has similarity to the UBAR Deity.

Figured the Pakatan creeps' NLP based modus operandi out?

By making the ‘Deity’ think the Orang Asli were ‘lost’ (as UBAR is mixed up with UBAH) and no longer there, the protection of the Orang Asli mind would be no longer extended (the Deity has alot of work elsehwere on Earth AT ALL TIMES in ALL PLACES) and open up the Orang Asli to conversions by the Christians (DAP) and Muslims (PAS). Once again I remind, Pakatan is no pure minded coalition and with this form of spiritual insult, the Orang Asli might as well vote speecifically ONLY for Orang Asli and Nusantaran Animist candidates. This is no attack on any monotheistic faith but an exhortation to use honesty instead of sneaky proselytization to ‘convert’ and destroy the Nusantaran Animist faith of an already oppressed people who have had much of their land stolen and still no solution to regain what they have lost via rampant, likely illegal issuance of citizenships to specifically people ready to conveniently convert to Islam to ‘occupy’ East Malaysia. Except by voting only Orang Asli and East Malaysian born persons, there is no other way to preserve this spiritual tradition or regain the Orang Asli’s sovereignty.

Finally Borneo likely could be considered a single item and may need a form of autonomy from both Malaysia and Indonesia and union spiritually within the peoples living on Borneo. If this post is offensive, please inform, I will edit and remove if necessary.