ARTICLE 1
Chua: ‘Do not take nation’s harmony for granted’ – Published: Friday August 24, 2012 MYT 9:50:00 PM By DERRICK VINESH
SUNGAI PETANI: The people should not take the country’s racial and religious harmony for granted as it can change overnight.
MCA president Datuk Seri Dr Chua Soi Lek said Friday that Malaysians of all races enjoyed various types of freedom such as religious and education freedom, apart from the nation’s peace, stability and economic growth.
He, however, cautioned that the harmonious situation should not be regarded as ‘automatic’.
He said that after the March 2008 General Election, it was obvious that racial and religious relationships seemed to be under tremendous stress because of intense politicking.
“This is further aggravated in PAS-led states such as Kelantan and Kedah, where there is no alcohol, no gambling, no cinema, no live concert, and male and female segregation,” he said before opening MCA Sungai Petani’s Merdekaraya dinner gathering at Dewan Beng Siew here Friday night.
Dr Chua said that despite all these, PAS’ ally in Pakatan Rakyat, the DAP, would continue to assure non-Muslims that PAS would not implement hudud and that it would not impose its values on them.
“But, this is happening right before us. Even if DAP objects to hudud, it is only (DAP national chairman) Karpal Singh who opposes hudud. The rest are so quiet about it,” he said.
Dr Chua said it was a big lie by the DAP that it would not allow hudud to be implemented and that hudud would not affect the non-Muslims.
“Hudud will definitely affect the whole nation and everybody,” he said.
Dr Chua noted that hudud would reduce foreign direct investment, affect tourism and the service sector, cause lack of confidence among local investors and affect the economic sector as a whole.
He said if PAS were to amend the Constitution and say it would be according to its religious teachings, then all Muslim Members of Parliament (MP) would have to support it.
He said the situation would be similar to when PAS amended the State Constitution in Trengganu, all Umno state assemblymen there had to support it.
“So, there is no such thing as that hudud cannot be implemented because it can be implemented.
“MCA’s stand on hudud is very clear. This is a multiracial country and religion should not be politicised,” he said.
Dr Chua said hudud would divide Muslims and non-Muslims, adding that it might cause friction and turn racial.
And this, he said, was contrary to Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak’s racial inclusiveness policy under the 1Malaysia concept.
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Is that so? This is as much everyone’s country as the government’s. Do not threaten the Rakyat and end apartheid instead. Do not take Rakyat’s silence for harmony or think the people accept apartheid and extreme religion. Overnight on GE13, the Rakyat will change any offending politician instead of being threatened with ‘change’ as MCA dares now. So BN can keep being a lapdog or a racist and be removed by the people instead. People! Lets change ALL the racists and lapdogs or obscenely rich, term limitless or fundo MPs and politicians overnight . . .
ARTICLE 2
‘Better the devil you know’, Dr M tells voters – August 22, 2012
Dr Mahathir said BN needed only to be prodded before it will give the people what they want. — File pic
KUALA LUMPUR, Aug 22 ? Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad said today Malaysians were better off with the “devil [they] know” in Barisan Nasional (BN) than a Pakatan Rakyat (PR) federal government he said was likely to bankrupt the country with its populist promises.
“The BN has listened to the people and has changed many laws and policies. All that the people need to do is to urge the BN to carry out whatever change the people desire.
“Better the devil you know than the angel you don’t,” the former prime minister wrote in a posting on his popular blog today.
Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Razak is expected to call for a general election soon, but attacks from PR and a number of scandals involving his administration have delayed such plans.
The Najib administration has also introduced a number of new policies as well as reversals in an attempt to blunt PR’s promises for reforms if the latter takes power.
The prime minister was forced to establish a royal commission to probe the problem of illegal immigrants in Sabah following a number of minor defections there to PR.
He has also promised to repeal the controversial Sedition Act, after abolishing other security laws earlier this year.
But PR has made dents in the BN armour with recent revelations involving a national cattle farming project scandal and by highlighting possible government interference in a contract for the city’s LRT extension project.
The federal opposition has also promised cheaper cars to Malaysians in return for support.
Writing in his blog today, Dr Mahathir appeared to compare PR with US President Barack Obama, and suggested that the opposition parties’ promises for change were just that — promises.
“In his campaign to become President of the US, Barack Obama promised change. He promised to close down Guantanamo Detention Camp. He promised to stop trials of detainees by Military Courts. He promised to pull out from Iraq and Afghanistan. Now, four years into his first term, he has failed to keep his promises.
“Now the opposition in Malaysia have copied Obama and is promising change.”
While he acknowledged that BN has ruled Malaysia for long, he pointed out that the coalition had a good track record.
“Five years to give (PR) a trial as government is dangerous. Many things can be destroyed in five years. Besides, the opposition as government will ensure there will be no return for the BN. Officers in the government will be used to ‘gempar’ (threaten) whoever tries to change government.
“Already we see this person who claims to fight for free speech suing and resorting to the courts to shut the mouth of his critics. Other powers of the government will be similarly abused.
“Nepotism and cronyism will be employed as indeed they are in the party he now heads,” he said in an apparent reference to Opposition Leader Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim.
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Mahathir forgets APARTHEID. Try neither BN the devil, nor PR the sea, support and vote for 3rd Force non-GLC and non-term limitless types instead.
ARTICLE 3
The online dirty war — Hwn Yaul Len – August 23, 2012
AUG 23 — A few days ago, a Facebook account profiling itself as “Umno Youth Malaysia”, published a seditious poster “If you agree to make Christianity the official religion of Malaysia, carry on supporting Pakatan Rakyat. God bless you”.
Many Internet users were not happy with the poster and left comments condemning Umno Youth. The posting has also angered Pakatan Rakyat lawmakers and they demanded an explanation from Umno Youth. Although the poster was later deleted, the damage has been made to Pakatan Rakyat, as well as Umno Youth.
Some issues, such as racial and religious issues, are very sensitive in our country’s political arena. Those who talk about the issues, as well as those who listen to them, must be very rational. If someone deliberately provokes sentiments, it could lead to a situation not easy to be cleaned up.
Umno Youth chief Khairy Jamaluddin promptly responded and claimed some people had planted “stolen goods” on the party’s wing and that the Facebook account was not the official site of Umno Youth, adding that a police report had been lodged.
If the social networking site that published the dangerous messages and seditious content that could incite emotions was really a fake, the intention of those who made it is indeed very obvious.
A few days ago, there was another similar incident. A rumour claiming that Kedah MCA chairman Datuk Chong Itt Chew had paid RM500 to dismiss an injured woman in a car accident was spread across Facebook.
The woman later stepped forward to refute the rumour. She and Chong had also lodged police reports respectively.
The two incidents are just the tip of the iceberg. Any politician, regardless of which party they are from, might become victims of online framing. It is believed that the number of fake news and messages online would increase because of the approaching general election.
It is not easy to judge whether a scandal is true or false. Even if we are not able to verify, we should at least be suspicious instead of blindly believe them all. Some messages, after all, are deliberately created by some people and some photos have been edited to attack political opponents.
Some people just blindly believe all information online and share them with others. This is also why much information is widely spread before it is confirmed to be authentic.
As the general election is approaching, it is foreseeable that various scandals involving politicians would continue to emerge. Regardless of whether it is on Facebook or other online media, there would be so-called “exposed” news and photos involving politicians.
Faking Facebook accounts to smear political enemies is expected to become one of the dirty tricks in the forthcoming election’s online warfare.
It is a test to the maturity of netizens whether to believe and spread them or not. — mysinchew.com
* This is the personal opinion of the writer or publication and does not necessarily represent the views of The Malaysian Insider.
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The dirtiest single event in Malaysian political history apart from Ops Lallang, is DAP promising to declare MP assets THEN refusing to declare assets, and even daring to ask EXCO to declare instead in an insulting bait and switch method. This is compounded by EXCO being INSTALLED not elected via Local Council Elections which DAP promised to implement but did not and now uses the EC to pretend they cannot implement Local Council Elections with. 90% of DAP’s other campaign promises have failed. Not so great PAP mentors DAP has . . .
ARTICLE 4
People now better at judging government, says Husni – August 20, 2012
IPOH, Aug 20 — The people have become more mature in their assessment of the government’s initiative to introduce various facilities for their benefit, noted Second Finance Minister Datuk Seri Ahmad Husni Hanadzlah.
Describing the opposition’s pledges as merely a populist strategy to gain political mileage, he said: “Inevitably, in the political arena, there is always a segment of society that has a tendency to align itself to the opposition.
“Nevertheless, the people’s support for the Barisan Nasional (BN) is growing and they are now more aware of the government’s earnestness to chart a future for them.”
Speaking to reporters at his Aidilfitri open house here today, Ahmad Husni said the government was constantly seeking ways to assist the people.
He said the newest initiatives in that regard were the 1 Malaysia Privilege Card for policemen and soldiers and the KDS1M discount card for students.
“Our focus is on alleviating the people’s burden in the face of rising global food prices.
“It is during crises such as these that the people will realise who they can trust, and who they can count upon,” he added. — Bernama
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NO support is NOT increasing, perhaps support for PR is decreasing, but that does not mean that support for BN increases either. Hegelian dialectic AGAIN. BN has the mandate to grant :
1) Freedom from Apartheid/Fascism (Article 1 Human Rights Charter)
2) Freedom from Religious-Persecution/Religious-Supremacy. (Article 18 Human Rights Charter)
3) Equality for all ethnicities and faiths in all aspects of policy, Law and Constitution. (Surah An Nisa 4:75)
;but does not use that mandate, preferring to allow the Rakyat to suffer. Equality is about not being insulted not those crutches offered by government. The government has no earnestness to chart a future for the Rakyat but lots of bribe paradigm methods. This is merely equality and BN refuses to give the Rakyat what they want. Causing social crises such as these, people realise who they can trust, and who they can count upon. BN certainly CANNOT be counted on unless the above 3 items are granted refusing to use that mandate as per the Hadiths or the UN Charter which Malaysia is a signatory of. People now better at judging PROPAGANDA as well Husni. This is shameless spin and pandering to the ego of the Rakyat. The Rakyat need good policy like ending apartheid and ending crony capitalism not false praise of the people’s ability to identify falsehood or bad governance.
ARTICLE 5
Behind the veil of hypocrisy – Raja Petre Kamaruddin – Sunday, 19 August 2012 Super Admin
Malaysians by and large are hypocrites who only talk but will do the opposite of what they say. They demand that others do what they themselves refuse to do. They are very fast with their mouth and freely swear and curse others while they will not tolerate any disagreement.
What irks me is not criticism. I can take criticism. What irks me is hypocrisy. And there is much hypocrisy behind that veil that hides the face. And that hypocrisy comes in many forms.
How do I despise thee? Let me counts the ways.
One form of hypocrisy is regarding Hudud.
I respect the right of Islamists to advocate the Islamic Sharia law of Hudud, as is the right of anyone in a democracy to advocate whatever they want, including more Chinese schools or more Hindu temples or gay rights or whatever.
It is therefore hypocritical, in a democracy, for anti-Hudud proponents to vilify pro-Hudud proponents by calling them barbarians just as it is hypocritical for pro-Hudud proponents to vilify anti-Hudud proponents by calling them infidels (whether they are Muslims or non-Muslims).
1) Hypocritical to try to justify amputation of people’s limbs PERIOD. If amputation is not villainous for a mere snatch theft for example, RPK needs to get his head checked. What does stealing national funds get? Beheadings? Why does RPK even bother to argue this?OBVIOUSLY amputation is barbaric. Call a spade a spade, call an Islamist apologist an islamist apologist. RPK is a fake among intelligensia for even trying to counter that Hudud is not barbaric or that Hudud does deserve respect. Extreme punishment deserves no respect.
In a democracy everyone has the right to advocate whatever he or she want to advocate without being ridiculed and vilified. And both sides — the pro-Hudud proponents as well as the anti-Hudud proponents — demonstrate a lack of democratic spirit. This is hypocrisy when you shout about democracy but you refuse to allow democracy.
2) This is being the devil’s advocate and argument for argument’s sake. There is NOTHING democratic about amputating people’s limbs.
Whether the Federal Constitution of Malaysia allows the implementation of Hudud is a matter open to debate.
3) NO. The world over, to all non-extremists amputation for any crime is MORALLY WRONG. RPK worries, this myth about blood thirsty Muslims is not being helped by advocating Hudud.
Whether Malaysia is a fully-fledged Secular State considering that Islam is stipulated as the religion of the Federation, whether Malaysia is already an Islamic country (not quite meaning Islamic State) as declared by Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad, and whether the Constitution allows or forbids the implementation of Hudud does not take way the right of anyone who wishes to propagate or oppose Hudud.
You can propose or oppose Hudud. That is your right. You can’t take away that right to propose or oppose it. And in this instance both sides are guilty of not respecting the democratic right to argue Hudud and hence both sides are hypocrites.
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written by Admiral Tojo, August 19, 2012 20:06:34
There is NO such thing as Hudud laws in Quran. We should use the Quran to argue with these hudud junkies. The Arabs, who invented this hudud laws of the desert themselves as labelled ‘MUNAFEEQUNS – HYPOCRITES” as in 9:97 Quran. So, if you follow them and create institutions to propagate this disbelieve, you yourself become a hypocrite and will practise hypocrisy willfully. For further reference and hopefully the riddance of hypocrisy please visit mentalbondageinthenameofgod.wordpress.com
Malaysians complain that Malaysia does not respect the right of its citizens to criticise the government or the country’s leaders. Doing so would result in you facing charges under the Sedition Act, they lament. However, Malaysians have a very low tolerance level when you criticise the government they love, whether state or federal, and when you criticise the leaders they love, whether from Barisan Nasional or Pakatan Rakyat. This is not in the spirit of a democracy and is hypocrisy from both sides of the political divide.
4) Then RPK ducks behind the pathos of bad politics in Malaysia. Take a break ‘Princey’ this writing is BAD and getting worse. Thats all. Don’t even write anymore, I can’t believe RPK wrote this . . .
Muslims talk about Islam almost non-stop. And if you say anything negative about Islam they will scream and accuse you of insulting Islam and will demand your blood. These Muslims say we must follow the Qur’an, the Sunnah and the Hadith and if we do not then we are not Muslims but will, in fact, become an infidel or kafir. However, these same Muslims elect their government through a kafir system of Parliamentary general elections modelled after the kafir Westminster system of government. How can Muslims who scream Islam, Qur’an, Sunnah and Hadith adopt a system that does not follow the Prophet Muhammad’s Sunnah? Is this not hypocrisy? “But if we do not comply with the kafir system then how would we get into power?” these Muslims will argue. Would cleansing yourself in the toilet bowl purify you?
5) Prophet Muhammad NEVER mentioned amputation or hudud. That was probably a Bedouin punishment, NOT Islam which was derived from Christianity after all. 600 years to reach the Middle East from Aramea seems fair enough. Then, pathos punctuation with the ‘below waist’ reference. Dear me, RPK sure RPK had a Royal upbringing? Maybe still viable for streetfighter politics with the pottier mouthed political animals, but RPK my man, you sure ain’t no leader or statesman . . .
Muslims refuse to accept that they are saying one thing but doing the other. And that is hypocrisy. If Islam is supposed to be supreme, then everything else that is placed above Islam must be rejected, the general elections included. If not then Islam will not be supreme since Islam will come under the system. Are Muslims prepared to place Islam supreme by rejecting everything that is not Islam, the general elections included, even if they can’t get into power? The Muslims believe that the Four Caliphs who came after Prophet Muhammad were the Rightly-Guided Caliphs, meaning God or Allah guided them. Hence what they did is not what they did but what Allah guided them to do. When the First Caliph after Prophet Muhammad, Abu Bakar, was about to be chosen, the citizens of Medina asked him how can they be assured that he would be a fair, honest, just, etc., leader? Abu Bakar took out his sword and placed it on the ground before him and told the crowd that if he deviates and is not true to his word then they are to take his sword and cut off his head. That was the example of Abu Bakar, which Muslims are very proud to tell us.
6) . . . Abu Bakar took out his sword and placed it on the ground before him and told the crowd that if he deviates and is not true to his word then they are to take his sword and cut off his head. . . . Who is RPK chanelling? Auda Ibn Tayi? (pun intended, if offended do warn, that purifying toilet bowl might just work here . . . ) . . . Lawrence of Arabia 1962, David Lean . . . This was before the invention of the UN Human Rights Charter and MODERN LAW. Inapplicable example. In the past there was also ‘Trial By Combat’ in which the victor was right regardless of circumstances. Does this response make how bad your example and premise of that para clear to you RPK?
At the moment we have not even taken a sword to cut off the heads of our leaders yet, which Abu Bakar said we must do and as reported in the Hadith. At the moment we only criticise them in the Blogs and in the Internet and everyone is foaming at the mouth and curse us and call us all sorts of nasty names. This is hypocrisy, especially those Muslims who are so proud of Islam, the Qur’an, the Sunnah, the Hadith, Prophet Muhammad and the Four Rightly-Guided Caliphs as well as those non-Muslims who say they want to change the government because they want more democracy and freedom of speech.
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written by din, August 19, 2012 16:42:56
Hello RPK, chopping off hands is it not barbaric in this modern year, are you trying to tell you agree by chopping off hands, you have forgotten what you (RPK) have gone thru…………
7) . . . after the total ‘pandering to fundos’ nonsense in the earlier half of the article, sympathy and correlation with bloggers, to what ends . . .
Malaysians are so passionate about the political parties that they support, both sides of the political divide. They will vilify and curse those who criticise the party they support and will call you all sorts of nasty names. However, less than one-third of registered voters are card-bearing members of political parties. They are so passionate about ‘their’ political party and will not tolerate an iota of criticism against ‘their’ political party. And they love ‘their’ political party so much that they will not even spend RM1 to become a member of ‘their’ party. This is hypocrisy. And they will demand that others who are neutral and are not members of any political party to show loyalty to ‘their’ party. And if we do not they will condemn us like hell for not showing loyalty to the party that they did not even pay RM1 to become a member of.
8) Who needs a political party? Anyone who amends laws and GTFO of Dewan after 2 terms will do. This sort of scavenging behaviour for the wealthier candidates or term limitless ‘careerists’ that become nepotistic is shameful at best, detestable at worst.
Readers of Malaysia Today call me a coward for refusing to go back to Malaysia to ‘face charges’ when there are no pending charges against me. And they make this allegation using false names and false e-mail addresses while cowardly refusing to register to comment in Malaysia Today because they want to remain anonymous. This is hypocrisy. One million Malaysians live overseas and these people are demanding a change of government because they are fed up with the same government for the last 55 years. They want us to sacrifice for the good of the nation. But they refuse to sacrifice their time and money to go back to Malaysia to register as voters or go back to Malaysia to vote during the by-elections or general elections. Sacrifice is what they want others to do, not what they will do.
9) Hey! We’re not a Raja who could get ‘daddy” (Sultan) to pardon in case things get too hot, or holding degrees and being well fed and rested, well thought of for DECADES instead of the extreme abuse some of us had to endure for lack of patronage or wealth. Most of us do not have Assange-like networks and a high profile to bail ourselves out IF something goes wrong here in the 3rd world. If there are no charges, get back here and make good on all your b.s.. You want to complain because there is no change? Well run for candidacy to put forward bills for change or at least fund a candidate or few. Tengku Razaleigh term limitless to boot as is is 20+ years senior to RPK, this refusal is not about having a thin skin or insufficient finances? One million Malaysians who live overseas that cannot afford to fight here or do not have a strong network are justified, RPK is not, because of all the above advantages . . .
This is hypocrisy. Malaysians by and large are hypocrites who only talk but will do the opposite of what they say. They demand that others do what they themselves refuse to do. They are very fast with their mouth and freely swear and curse others while they will not tolerate any disagreement.
10) . . . and being married to Marina Mahathir living off the BILLIONS stolen why don’t you ask Marina for being a beneficiary of that wealth to offer to start hudud being such a promoter if hudud? NO EXCUSES or comparisons to 1 million Malaysians from where RPK stands. I’m beginning to believe that those who call RPK a vile whatever seem true, with the addition of HYPOCRISY if not extreme cowardice or just being a lapdog counter propaganda man. There is no need for disagreement here as this RPK writer is proving to be most undemocratic and disagreeable in support of obviously undemocratic hudud (ask the 1st world how many think amputating limbs is democratic or worthy of respect, might as well bring back ‘Trial By Combat’ and say that is respectable . . . one to seek justice, the other to dispense justice, BOTH involving maiming or bloody solutions . . . ) and round condemnation of the overseas Rakyat. Well that makes clear what RPK and possibly People’s Parliament part of the problem not the solution. C’mon write better RPK, I’m sure you can, and by not returning to Malaysia, be branded a coward and a flatulent fart of a armchair blogger instead if a real 2 term intent politician . . .
ARTICLE 6
500 natives storm police station – Hornbill Unleashed – August 17, 2012 Filed under: Human rights,Politics — Hornbill Unleashed @ 12:00 AM – by Joseph Tawie
Sarawak police raided a village and detained five people whose names were not even in the report filed by a plantation company for allegedly burning a bridge.
Some 500 angry villagers with their children from Melikin and nearby longhouses in Serian and Simunjan stormed the Serian police station yesterday, demanding the release of five individuals who were detained on Sunday night for allegedly causing a fire.
The villagers learnt that the five – Sanjan Ambol, 58, Musit Ngawing, 52, Tuai Rumah Nyalu Tampa, 55, Samad Junna, 41, and Singa Unsit, 58, – were to be charged at the Serian district court. All five were villagers from Melikin, Danau Melikin and Ensebang Plaie.
The villagers first went to the Serian district office, but on hearing that they were still being detained at the Serian police station, they rushed there and demanded that the detainees be released immediately.
The police had to restrain the angry villagers from entering the police compound and even threatened to arrest them, but they ignored the warning.
The five detainees were released at about 11am without any charge being framed against them despite being remanded for three days.
Freed detainee longhouse chief Nyalu Tampa expressed surprise to see so many people had come to support them.
“Their support gives us strength and makes us more determined to defend our NCR [native customary rights] land,” he said.
The detainees’ lawyer, See Chee How, said that they were arrested on Sunday night after representatives of United Teamtrade Oil Palm Company lodged a report that a bridge to the plantation was burnt.
“My clients should not have been arrested in the middle of the night when the police have not carried out investigation first.
“They simply arrested them based on a report lodged by the company, and without concrete evidence. Moreover, this is not a serious crime.
“Why can’t they wait until the next morning? I can even ask my clients to surrender themselves to any police station,” said See, who is also Sarawak PKR vice-Chairman and the Batu Lintang assemblyman.
See said that he received a call on Sunday night from one of the villagers telling him that the police were at the village to arrest the five persons.
Illegal arrest
He said he spoke to Inspector Azlan Abdul Wahab who led the police party and asked him why they were arresting the villagers for a minor act.
He told Azlan that they could have just asked the individuals to surrender themselves in the morning.
“But he told me that his instruction was for him to arrest them immediately. I asked him who was his superior so that I could talk to him.
“Azlan told me that his instruction was very strict, and could not tell me, ” said See.
He added that he informed Azlan that the police action was malicious and illegal.
“Moreover, no one has been identified in the police report made by the company.
“It is very malicious on the part of Azlan [to arrest the villagers]. I hope that he was not instructed by a senior police officer because it is bad.
“You have not done any investigation and yet you arrest them. That is illegal,” he said.
Besides questioning the legality of the arrest, See also questioned the rationale for bringing the five detainees all the way to Tebedu sub-district for the application of a remand order.
He said when he went to Serian on Monday, the application for the remand order was not done in Serian because the district officer who is also the magistrate was not in Serian.
The police, he said, could have asked the Tebedu Sarawak Administrative Officer come down, but they did not do it.
“Why did the police want to make it so difficult? They could also have taken the five villagers to the Balai Ringin sub-district which is a stone’s throw from Melikin.
“But when you apply for a remand order, you must first carry out an investigation and tell the magistrate why you need it.
“The police should have investigated the detainees during the night, but they did not do it,” said See.
Legal action against cops
See said the five detainees have instructed him to take legal action against the company and the government for taking away their land as well as against the police for arresting them without proof.
The dispute between the company and the native landowners has reached a critical point after the company issued a notice demanding anyone riding a motorcycle using the company’s road will have to pay RM5 per entry.
For cars, the drivers have to pay RM30 and for 4WD vehicles, the drivers will have to pay RM50 per entry.
The toll has angered the people who have lands and farms at the other side of the plantation and in retaliation, the native landowners mounted a blockade to stop the company from using their road to the plantation.
***Commentator Comments :
Sabah & Sarawak are a total tragedy, swindled and sucked dry Taib, PBB, & by Putrajaya. Not even a proper trunk road! The natives lack electricity and drinking water while Criminals bought submarines and built twin towers costing multi-billions for kick-backs. All cronies live in palaces. Outrageous! Just compare: Scotland in Great Britain and Quebec in Canada had an open, honest & fair national referendum on cessation/separation. Any talk of independence and your ex CM Tun Faud Donald Stephen died in a crash. BN’s evil is earth-shaking. Finish them off now!
Comment by alan newman, new zealand — August 17, 2012 @ 9:12 PM
500,000 natives should have already taken to the streets demanding for the thief minister, Taib mahmud, to be investigated and prosecuted for abusing his authority and position in grabbing NCR lands and alienated more than one million hectares of state lands to his own family members and close cronies under the cleverly engineered “payments in kind” policy of the thief minister
Under the payment in kind policy, the Sarawak State Government would approve and award mega projects to his children’s group of companies at a highly inflated cost and then alienated huge tract of state lands with high valued timbers in lieu of payments. The premium calculation for such lands would usually be only RM300.00 per acre.
For every RM10,000,00.00 the Sarawak State Government “owed” Titanium Management Sdn Bhd which is owned by Taib’s son and its subsidiaries, his son’s company would gain 33,333 acres of state owned lands.
All Dayaks must vote out UMNO controlled BN led by the master grand thief in Putrajaya and the grand thief in Sarawak.
Comment by Mata Kuching — August 17, 2012 @ 2:01 PM
We must applaud the police for being very very ” prompt” in their action in arresting innocent villagers. They came in the cover of darkness,ill prepared to do an improper arresting job. That Tuan Azlan fella must be very very nervous by now for being a stooge of the Oil Palm Company and “tricked” to do their dirty job for them. Good for him to simply take orders without determining the legality and ramifications of his ill intended actions. Wonder whats going to happened to him next with such a lousy KPI? I wonder too, what is to happen to the father and son who were battered by land grabbing thugs a few months back? Why the so so very slow police action and no arrests done on that case which have evidents as clear as the blue sky. Perhaps the police only work in dark places where evidents are hidden and fuzzy? To the tuan azlan,if you want to spice up your KPI,go arrest the thugs who beat the father and sons. Thats easier then to simply follow orders form your Towkay Sawit without any inkling of what you are doing! And do not simply barge into the kampongsn at night and arrest inocent villages unless you intend to arrest the whole village population when they come to meet you in your office for an explanation! Now how to hide your bias towards your Oil Palm towkay. Presumably your second pay cheque is from the land grabing towkay?
Comment by Brian — August 17, 2012 @ 11:36 AM
FELLOW COUNTRYMEN,I HOPE U HAVE AWAKENED NOW.VOTE BN OUT IN GE13 IF U WANT BETTER LIVES.
Comment by VINCENT AK PAUL — August 17, 2012 @ 10:13 AM
THANKS MALAYAN FRIENDS FOR YOUR SUPPORT!
We congratulate Malayans on their 55 years of independence from some 150 years of British rule on 31 August.
Also on 16 September having not learned anything from British colonization and plunder, the Malayan UMNO annexed Sabah and Sarawak on this date 1963.
Sabah and Sarawak have been Malayan colonies for 49 years and suffered more than in the past 150 years from colonial misrule and looting of our resources.
The famous storming of the 500 Dayaks is just the beginning of our people’s march to taking back our country from Malayan colonial rule.
If you support us in our cause please spread the news!
Comment by ANGRY DAYAK — August 17, 2012 @ 11:59 AM
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Sabah and Sarawak could almost go independent . . . Cameron and Noda are a bad joke in their home countries with as many incongruities in policy. Whats wrong with Alan Newman? Propaganda?
ARTICLE 7
Apologize for fumbling on Internet law, Guan Eng tells BN ministers – Wednesday, 15 August 2012 17:10 – by Lim Guan Eng
Last night, Prime Minister Dato’ Sri Najib Tun Razak tweeted that he has asked the Cabinet to review the controversial Section 114A of the Evidence Act 1950. This is another back-flip by Najib and his BN government seeking to reverse what is undoubtedly a grievous error that is unjust and irrational piece of legislation following outrage and popular protest by civil society movements and opposition parties.
Yesterday, the Centre for Independent Journalism (CIJ) Malaysia successfully organised the Malaysian Internet Blackout Day initiative which received full support from various news portals, activists such as Marina Mahathir, various NGOS such as the Bar Council and also opposition parties including the DAP.
This Internet Blackout Day initiative was organised to oppose Section 114A of the Evidence Act 1950, an ignominious amendment passed by the Dewan Rakyat and Dewan Negara earlier this year, which effectively enables law enforcement officials to hold one accountable for publishing seditious, defamatory, or libelous content online, as long as the allegedly defamatory content is traced back to one’s username, electronic device, and/or WiFi network.
Guilty until proven innocent
One is also presumed to be guilty of publishing illicit content on the Internet unless one can prove otherwise. In other words, Section 114A goes against the basic principle of law by laying the burden of proof on the accused instead of the accuser. Anyone can make an accusation without showing proof, it is the accused that must show proof that he or she is innocent. This is typical BN mentality where they can make simply make wild and even false allegations against opposition PR leaders who then have to show proof that they are innocent
The Prime Minister’s flip-flop also follows statements by BN lawmakers such as Umno Youth Chief Khairy Jamaluddin and an MCA senator who apparently now oppose a law which they had voted for.
Why is it that Khairy and others are now so keen to show Malaysians that they oppose the law when the could have easily chosen not to vote for it when it was tabled? Is it not merely duplicity for them to speak out now to claim credit for an popular initiative by the rakyat?
This proves that BN leaders are complete frauds, and that the supposed Government Transformation Programme is nothing but a sham. The undeniable fact is that without the protest by civil society and opposition parties, there would not be any talk of a review. For Khairy and others to claim credit now is nothing less than opportunism.
The only way out now for Najib and the Cabinet is to prove their sincerity is by apologising and revoking not reviewing Section 114A of the Evidence Act immediately in the coming session or risk being exposed as duplicitous.
If no apology is forthcoming from the Prime Minister, then the people will see this as nothing more than a political stunt.
All BN MPs Must Prove Their Sincerity By Immediately Apologising For Their Complicity In Passing Section 114A Of The Evidence Act And Revoking not reviewing It At The Coming Parliamentary Meeting Beginning On 24 September 2012 Or Risk Being Exposed As Political Fraudsters To Deceive The Voters During The Coming General Elections.
LIM GUAN ENG IS THE PENANG CHIEF MINISTER & DAP SEC-GEN
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No locus standi to demand. 90% of campaign promises unkept. Promised Local Council Elections failed with undemocratically installed EXCO instead. BN would not apologize to those who also do the same. Pot calling kettle black. PR and Guan Eng (2 terms as CM nearly up, more than 2 terms as MP, with family members throughout the political party . . . ) should apologize for failing to keep campaign promises instead before even trying to ask BN to apologize for something as inconsequential as internet law when APARTHEID exists, we we do not even have :
1) Freedom from Apartheid/Fascism (Article 1 Human Rights Charter)
2) Freedom from Religious-Persecution/Religious-Supremacy. (Article 18 Human Rights Charter)
3) Equality for all ethnicities and faiths in all aspects of policy, Law and Constitution. (Surah An Nisa 4:75)
ARTICLE 8
‘You walk the talk first’ but shouldn’t Marina tell this to her DAD first & foremost – Written by Marina Mahathir – Thursday, 16 August 2012 21:21
REPRINT The Government wants us to change our lifestyles to cope with inflation.
It is easier said than done since most people were having it difficult even before the hikes. The Government must first set an example by doing things it should have done long ago.
WITH the recent hike in fuel prices and the Government’s exhortations for us to change our lifestyles in order to cope, may I provide here some suggestions for the Government and those who work for it to “share our burden”.
1. Stop having meetings, especially out at resorts, far enough away to be able to claim transport allowances. Have online meetings instead or teleconferences. Use Skype or chat.
2. No need to order special pens, bags, T-shirts, notepads and other goodies for those same meetings.
3. No need to order kuih for mid-morning or teatime meetings in government offices, or nasi briyani lunches for those meetings that happen to end just at lunchtime.
4. Cancel all trips for government servants to conferences overseas unless they return with full reports of what they did there, who they met and what they learnt and how they mean to apply what they learnt at home. Ask them to do presentations to colleagues who did not get to go, on the most interesting and important papers that they read.
5. Scrutinise invoices for contracts to make sure they are truly reflective of what those projects or supplies cost.
6. Stop elaborate launches for government programmes. In particular, stop the buying of souvenirs, special batik shirts, corsages, bouquets and caps.
7. Make all civil servants and politicians travel economy class. That means really travelling at the back of the plane and not buying full fare economy class tickets that allow them to be upgraded to Business Class.
8. Stop having the full complement of police escorts to cut down on petrol costs. If they need to be somewhere by a certain time, start earlier like the rest of us. Wouldn’t be a bad thing for them to also experience a traffic jam.
9. Once a week (or more), have ministers use public transport so they know what everyone else has to suffer. This might provide them with the incentive to improve them.
10. Once a week, let ministers go to a market to buy food for their families with instructions to not spend more than RM100.
11. Get ministers to carpool. They might get more work done just by being able to talk to each other to see what can be coordinated between their ministries. For instance, the Ministers of Health and Women could discuss what to do about women’s health issues in the car on the way to work. Maybe have a secretary to travel in the front seat to take down notes on what was discussed. By the time they get to their offices, things can get implemented.
12. Once a month, get civil servants to work with one disadvantaged group in order to be better able to appreciate their problems. It could be blind people one month, hearing disabled people the next, orang asli the following month andpeople living with HIV/AIDS after that.We could start buddy systems which pair one civil servant with one disadvantaged person and at the end of it, ask each pair to make recommendations on how to make life better for each other. This might get rid of the problem of desk jockeys, people who never stray very far from their desks yet make policies for people they know nothing about.
13. Have PA systems that shout out the name of the officers who have to serve people at government offices so that people get the services they came for and don’t have to keep coming back just because the officer was out having coffee. No counter should be left unmanned for more than five minutes before the officer is paged to go back to their stations. This should cut down waiting time for the public and save them transport costs in having to keep returning just to get one thing done.
14. Government officers who lose people’s files should be fined and have their names publicised for being careless and causing inconvenience to the public. Instead of making the public travel to their offices several times to deal with their problems, they should travel to go see their client and deal with it right there and then. And every officer who goes out of the office should be given a reasonable time to get his work done after which he is expected back in office so he doesn’t waste time doing something else.
15. And newspapers should save paper by reporting real news rather than non-news that they carry, particularly nonsensical utterances by politicians. As they say, we need to do this all together in order to make a difference. So if the Government and politicians make these lifestyle changes, I will do my part and change mine.
Thank You.
Marina Mahathir is the daughter of former prime minister Mahathir Mohamad
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***Commentator Comments :
Friday, 17 August 2012 08:48 posted by U Trust Her?
Can u trust the offspring of a snake? An evil one too, lying through his teeth?
The greatest looter, deceiver, is still loose and still stir up irritants through the world “Malay” and “Islam” but earning billions out of it! The Kerala outcast becomes the king maker in malaysia through lying cheating and deceiving and evil intents.Even now, prospective MP have to be vetted by him for election!! How powerful – in this ??? country!
No wonder R Tee is salivating and quickly turned himself into Malay hoping to jump on the bandwagon to dirty, illegal riches! Too late R Tee, u will end up in shit. The curtain of this lying art is falling and u just appear on the show. Watch out the s*** is falling down on all the actors including in Marina and his whole family. And u r in it too!
Thursday, 16 August 2012 23:47 posted by dickhead johnnie
I never trusted this lady. I suspect she’s just daddy’s test balloon to see which direction the wind is blowing. She is part of a family which is not unlike Shahrizat’s lembu family. Only problem is the cows in Sharizat’s stay in luxury condos whereas the cows of the Mamajutty resides in offshore bank vaults like airconned Swiss cows. She is Mahathir’s alternate weapon like Rocky Bru and RPK, Be wary of her and her writing,,,,she carries a double edged pen mightier than the parang,
Friday, 17 August 2012 02:10 posted by PR voter
No lah Marina, don’t waste time telling all these nonsense. These are kacang putih. You should tell your father to return to national coffer all the money he had stolen through bailout, 10% contracts he received as commission, Ali baba businesses etc…. Sick of her hypocritical essays. Marina, actually you are in no position to say anything, comment about anything about other people as long as you keep silent on your father’s misdeeds to this nation. Your comments are all bias as long as you don’t mention a word about your father, understand? We don’t buy your message.
ARTICLE 9
Dr M & the Sabah RCI: ‘Mother of all gambles’ that Najib has already LOST – Written by Joe Fernandez, Stan Lee, Malaysia Chronicle – Monday, 13 August 2012 09:53
As the saying goes, you can fool some of the people some of the time but not all the people all the time. And this is evident in the much-panned 8-point Royal Commission of Inquiry into the illegal immigrants issue in Sabah unveiled by Prime Minister Najib Razak on Saturday.
Not only has Opposition Leader Anwar Ibrahim slammed the RCI as being another political “gimmick”, he has accused Najib of deliberately designing the RCI’s scope so as to protect the culprits behind the citizenship-for-votes scam at the heart of the issue. This scam has been blamed for many of the problems prevalent in Sabah including overcrowding, rising crime, violence, poverty and social tensions between the locals and the illegals.
“These are major criminal acts, particularly when it involves corruption and cheating and falsifying documents. These are serious flaws, but of course, these are not part of the RCI’s terms of reference,” Anwar told reporters after a huge rally in Kota Marudu on Sunday.
Najib had empowered a 5-member panel to probe if foreigners in the state were unlawfully awarded Malaysian ICs or citizenships and included in the electoral roll. But the panel’s terms, as Anwar and other Pakatan leaders including DAP stalwart Lim Kit Siang have pointed out, do not include an investigation to identify those involved in handing out citizenships unlawfully.
“Yes, it seems Dr Mahathir is clearly nervous about the RCI,” said Anwar, referring former premier Mahathir Mohamad.
“But they must have given their assurance that they will not pick at who is at fault, who are the people taking money or falsifying documents and why. So that means the entire RCI is just flawed.”
Dissatisfied Sabah leaders continue to leave BN
In a bid to counter the Opposition’s arguments and to defuse Anwar’s growing clout in East Malaysia, the Umno-controlled mainstream media has tried to drag him into the illegals fray, arguing that he was Mahathir’s deputy during the 1980s and the one responsible for establishing Umno in Sabah.
But as Anwar’s aides pointed out, setting up Umno in Sabah and formulating a “treasonous” scheme to grant citizenship to illegals so that they would vote for BN and ensure it stay in power are 2 different issues. Anwar himself has denied any knowledge or involvement in the Project IC or as many call it Project M (for Mahathir), saying that he was “kept out of the loop” in this matter.
Indeed, the counter-propaganda and Najib’s RCI have failed to discourage fed-up Sabah leaders from leaving the Barisan Nasional fold. Sunday’s rally was to announce the crossing over of another senior BN leader Senator Maijol Mahap over to Anwar’s side of the political divide.
Maijol, a former Upko vice president, is the 3rd senior Sabah BN leader to switch allegiance and the exodus is expected to intensify after the Hari Raya celebrations.
While Maijol has not announced joining any particular Pakatan Rakyat party, he joins Tuaran MP Wilfrid Bumburing and Beaufort MP Lajim Ukin as members of a newly set-up movement to fight for change in their impoverished state. This movement is aligned to the Pakatan, which is the federal opposition and is tipped to have a better than even chance of wresting the federal government from Najib’s BN at the next election.
“On whether we expect more crossovers, my answer, of course, is yes,” said Anwar.
Sabahans know Project M was Mahathir’s baby, not Anwar’s
Even Maijol said as much during the rally, that Sabahans can forgive Anwar for bringing Umno into Sabah but not Mahathir and other henchmen for allowing the illegals to trample over the rights of the locals.
Reflecting the view of many Sabahaans, Maijol credited Anwar for bringing political change to Malaysia. He said that while during the 2008 general election, the wind of change had bypassed Sabah, it would not do so in the next general election widely expected to be held within the next few months.
“To me, all this happened and has continued to occur because of one factor and that factor is Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim. He has created a new spirit for change in Malaysia and these changes will lead to a new political system for the country – a two-party system and I support this,” Maijol told the rally.
Courting disaster
Najib courts disaster if he doesn’t mean what he says and is not saying what he means as far as the RCI goes because the Sabahans are dead serious over this issue. He will be dismissed for what he has so far turned out to be i.e. a fulltime professional bullshitter, for want of a better term. The state will turn in frustration to the Opposition and the UN Human Rights Commission in Geneva.
Sabahans will suspect the worst if the RCI goes through the sham of a Public Inquiry.
There’s no need for over-emphasis on a Public Inquiry since nothing can come out of it except piecemeal solutions which will simply increase the political frustration level in Sabah.
Instead, what’s needed is for the Home Minister to take the cue from the Prime Minister and direct the Jabatan Pendaftaran Negara (JPN) and Election Commission (EC) in Sabah and Putrajaya to allow the RCI to access their respective data banks.
Too many things can go wrong in ‘blood-thirsty’ Sabah
Too many things can go wrong in Sabah especially when the people in the state are baying for blood.
For example, it will come as “the mother of all shocks” if the Federal Government claims via the RCI that most of the foreigners given out “citizenships” in Sabah are in fact stateless people and therefore “there’s no problem” This would be politically unacceptable. No foreigner in Sabah can be given citizenship without the prior recommendation of the state government as the initiating party on a case-by-case basis. If the federal Government by-passes the state government, the people affected would not be considered Sabahans but Peninsular Malaysians subject to the Immigration Act unless they acquire permanent residence which would be politically impossible to grant. The lack of permanent residence status however would not prevent such people from voting in the state.
Forensic ICT experts will be needed to help the RCI to determine and weed out all JPN MyKads which are a nullity in law from the very beginning. The RCI’s 8-Point Terms of Reference may be vague on such help.
The 1st Generation of the MyKads held by those ineligible to hold them is those which don’t carry any details on the parents of the holders but yet have been issued the document under the category of operation of law which doesn’t require the actual physical possession of a citizenship certificate. The application for such MyKads would have been facilitated by a false Statutory Declaration (SD) giving Sabah as the place of birth. The SD would have been followed by a late registration of birth certificate to be used to apply for the MyKad.
One problem is that many holders of such documents may have moved to Peninsular Malaysia, even back to their home countries or passed away.
In that case, the passage of time would have worked in favour of the JPN to cover its tracks. However, the infamous cases of Salman Majid and Majid Kani in Court – Google it – are something that the JPN cannot explain to the RCI. Salman’s lawyer, Karpal Singh, and Majid’s lawyer, P. J. Perira, can be subpoened by the RCI.
The constant change of ICs in Malaysia from Blue to Bunga Raya to MyKad and the latest smart MyKad has played further havoc with the date base and has reportedly allowed the JPN to conceal its tracks from yesteryears.
Secret Unit in Putrajaya: Lost cause for Sabahans especially Orang Asal
Still, the information on the 1st Generation of illegal MyKad holders should be available on the JPN database unless it had deleted such information citing the passing on of the holders or their return to their home countries or leaving the state.
The children and grandchildren of the 1st Generation of MyKad holders cannot be exposed as ineligible and weeded out unless the information on the latter (1st Generation) is available. The data base on the 2nd Generation of ineligible MyKad holders is likely to show that everything was above board, indicating parents’ details.
From then on, the cause is lost for the people of Sabah especially the Orang Asal.
In the absence of the required data at JPN, the Immigration Department may be able to provide the back-up date to piece together the picture on the 1st Generation of ineligible MyKad holders.
Much of the problem, according to the grapevine, is in Putrajaya where a secret unit under the direction of former Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad stepped up the issuance of Malaysian personal documents to illegal immigrants in Sabah in contravention of the Federal Constitution. The suspicion is that the secret unit was initiated during the administrations of Mahathir’s predecessors but it’s known whether the problem goes back as far as 1963.
Widespread suspicion that electoral rolls have been tainted
Equally worrying for Sabahans is the suspicion that details from such documentation entered the electoral rolls in the state to tip the odds against the Orang Asal in particular and keep Chinese seats at a bare minimum.
Further compounding the problem of MyKads which are a nullity in law from the very beginning is that its holders apparently, as stated, had the tendency to keep moving to Peninsular Malaysia or return home. The result, according to the grapevine, was that the secret unit was forced to continue its operations and even step it up from time to time – operating even from jungle hideouts — to ensure that replacement voters entered the electoral rolls.
It was the JPN which, among others, refused to co-operate with the Federal Cabinet Committee on MyKads headed by Bernard Giluk Dompok during Mahathir’s premiership. It was rumoured then that the JPN and other departments were acting on Mahathir’s directive. Dompok promptly resigned his chairmanship when he discovered Mahathir’s double game.
Najib’s RCI, which Mahathir has delayed for so long while he fought a rearguard action tooth-and-nail to kill the idea, has brought the MyKad problem in Sabah full circle to where Dompok left off with very little accomplishment. If Najib has ignored Mahathir’s objections, it’s because he’s fighting for his political life in Sabah, an electoral Fixed Deposit state for him along with Sarawak. If Sabahans unite, they can beat the illegal immigrants allegedly on the electoral rolls.
Mahathir’s statement a red herring designed to mislead RCI
Mahathir’s recent statement that illegal immigrants in Sabah who have stayed a very long time in the state and can speak Bahasa Malaysia are entitled to citizenship may be a red herring.
It’s not possible to issue citizenship certificates – naturalization for example – to illegal immigrants. If the illegals re-entered the state legally, it would be a different matter.
Again, they would not be able to qualify for citizenship by naturalization as a matter of right.
They would need to hold an Entry Permit from the Immigration Department, work permits, and run the gauntlet of clearance by the Special Branch, police clearance by their home countries, temporary residence MyKads, permanent resident MyKads, apply for naturalization, pass the Bahasa Malaysia test, collect their citizenship by naturalization certificate and produce this to obtain a MyKad issued to citizens.
Citizens by registration are the children of naturalized citizens born in Malaysia but they too, like their parents, would have to apply for a citizenship certificate, failing which they would considered citizens of the home countries of their parents and issued a permanent resident MyKad.
The EC, it’s said, has two kinds of voters on its electoral rolls i.e. the first whose MyKads, whether the holder is eligible to hold or ineligible, are listed in the JPN databank; and the second with MyKads which don’t exist in the JPN databank. The EC, the last time that it issued a statement on MyKads, admitted that it was not online with the JPN and was not in a position to check whether the MyKads of those on its electoral rolls are in the JPN databank.
Sabahans will bay for blood if the RCI turns out to be another dud
The EC doesn’t even remove the deceased on its electoral rolls unless a death certificate is presented to it. In the past, it had been alleged that the MyKads of the dead were being used to vote by phantom voters hired for the job from among illegal immigrants.
Uncollected MyKads, if not destroyed, can similarly be used by phantoms to vote.
The RCI can in fact begin its work by putting the cart-before-the-horse i.e. ensure that the EC is online to JPN to do a verification exercise of its electoral rolls.
It can also begin its work by persuading the Federal Government to offer a general amnesty to those holding MyKads to which they are not eligible under the Federal Constitution and those complicit in the commission of acts of treason.
If Sabahans get what they expect from the RCI i.e. leaner, meaner electoral rolls, among others, Najib can expect to win the state at the forthcoming 13th General Election which has to be held by April/May next year. But no one is holding their breath.
Needless to say, the GE has to be delayed until the work of the RCI has been completed in six months and subsequently translated into action and the electoral rolls cleaned up. But will it?
The fact is most Malaysians expect Najib to call for GE-13 before the conclusion of the RCI and the shit hits the fan. Irate Sabahans will surely bay for blood at having been made fools of yet again by the BN federal government.
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Najib can still win *IF* Najib implements the 3 items below immediately with that mandate BN has :
1) Freedom from Apartheid/Fascism (Article 1 Human Rights Charter)
2) Freedom from Religious-Persecution/Religious-Supremacy. (Article 18 Human Rights Charter)
3) Equality for all ethnicities and faiths in all aspects of policy, Law and Constitution. (Surah An Nisa 4:75)
;anytime Najib confirms the above 3 items BN will win, or else PR will step on BN, if not 3rd Force . . . which may not step on both BN (apartheid and corruption) and PR (nepotism and 90% failed campaign promises) but still take over the Dewan . . . Proposed 3rd Force Party below :
3rd Force. BN is racist and corrupt. Pakatan Rakyat is nepotistic and wants hudud. Vote for 3rd Force Coalition to avoid problem coalitions like BN and PR.
ARTICLE 10
It is not about the government, it is about us – Monday, 13 August 2012 Super Admin Raja Petra Kamarudin
So we end up with a better government. And we achieve this by voting in a new government. Then what? Has society changed? Do we now live in a better society? We may now have a progressive government. But do we also now have a progressive society or are Malaysians all still backward thinking and narrow-minded and feel that apostates should be put to death and gays should be sent to jail?
Chua exposes another spin by DAP to sow hatred
(The Star) – Datuk Seri Dr Chua Soi Lek has exposed yet another DAP political spin aimed at sowing hatred among Malaysians in Sabah and Sarawak and their peninsula counterparts.
A Facebook posting had the MCA president’s photograph with him supposedly saying “Sabah and Sarawak cannot compete with the peninsula”.
Next to it was a picture of Olympic bronze medallist Pandelela Rinong Pamg.
Dr Chua stressed that what he had actually said was “while MCA supports the awarding of scholarships based on meritocracy, we also support the Government’s efforts to help the socially and economically disadvantaged groups in Sabah and Sarawak”.
“What I had said is we cannot expect the people of Sarawak and Sabah to be able to compete with the people in, say, the Klang Valley.”
“The reason is that, education facilities in many places in Sabah and Sarawak are still below par as compared to those in the Klang Valley,” he said after opening the Sabah MCA convention here yesterday.
He accused DAP of being unethical and misleading, adding that it was typical of the Opposition.
Dr Chua said political parties, despite their differences, should pursue the policy that “we are one Malaysia”.
“Sabahans and Sarawakians should realise that MCA will always support any special assistance for them,” he said.
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There are two ways to get people to support you. One would be to get them to love you. The other would be to get them to hate the other person.
Getting people to love you is harder. Getting them to hate the other person is easier. Hence a hate campaign has a better chance of success than a love campaign.
Religionists do this all the time. And they have been doing it for thousands of years. I have read articles on anti-Islam sites that raise all sorts of negative issues about Prophet Muhammad, Islam, Muslims, Islamic countries and so on. Basically, it is a campaign to sow hate and to turn people into Islam-Muslim haters.
And the Muslims are not innocent either in their anti-Christian/anti-Jew campaigns.
Do you know that many Malays, meaning Muslims, cheered when Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait? What is the rational in celebrating one Muslim country invading another Muslim country? Well, the rational, if you can rationalise an invasion, is as follows:
Kuwait and the many other small sheikhdoms and emirates were all once part of the great Islamic Ottoman Empire. Then, soon after the First World War, the evil Christian colonial empires from the west broke up the great Islamic Empire into smaller nations. Basically, this move was aimed at weakening Islam. Since then, the Islamic countries have been brought under the control of the Christian imperialists and all those ‘new’ nations are lackeys of the west.
And for that reason the Malays or Malaysian Muslims rejoiced when Saddam invaded Kuwait and they were very disappointed when Iraq lost the war.
The same happened during 911. Muslims all over the world danced in the streets when the New York Twin Towers was brought down. Osama Bin Ladin T-shirts were selling like hot cakes, even in Chow Kit Road in Kuala Lumpur. Even some PAS supporters were using those T-shirts during the election campaigns.
The fact that, out of about 3,000 people killed in that attack, there were around 60-70 Muslims amongst the victims seems to have escaped these people. And this did not include the 19 or so hijackers, who were also Muslims.
Hate, therefore, can cloud rational thinking. And if you can sow enough hate people are able to celebrate the killing of innocent people, even if those murdered are women and children.
In Malaysia, politics is played the same way. You have to make the voters hate the other side to get them to vote for you. Hence race and religion need to be played to the hilt because there is nothing more potent than race and religion, and a combination of both makes it a very explosive concoction indeed.
So, Barisan Nasional raises all sorts of issues against the opposition leaders while Pakatan Rakyat does the same regarding the Barisan Nasional leaders. It is no longer about policies, good governance, sustainable development, protecting the environment, ensuring that the young are prepared to face a most competitive future in a globalised and borderless world, improving the quality of life, respecting fundamental liberties, breeding a civil society, etc.
Many regard these issues as idealism. This is not the time to be idealistic. They say we need to be realistic. And the realistic thing would be we would not be able to change anything unless we first kick out the political party in power and replace it with another political party.
When I say I do not agree with this argument there would be many who will foam at the mouth and accuse me of saying that I am asking them not to vote for Pakatan Rakyat but to keep Barisan Nasional in power instead.
What has this got to do with Barisan Nasional or Pakatan Rakyat? I am not talking about the elections. I am not talking about changing Prime Ministers. I am talking about reforms, and the reform I specifically have in mind is regarding reforming the thinking of Malaysians. It is no use changing governments or even abolishing the Constitutional Monarchy and turning Malaysia into a Republic if we ourselves have not reformed.
Let’s not talk about a revolution, which is what we are talking about here — a revolution through the ballot box. What good is changing the government (which is what you are talking about) if we have not changed our mentality (which is what I am talking about)?
We must first decide what type of society we want to live in. The government we choose is merely the implementers of our aspirations. They are our trustees and nominees that we send to Parliament or the State Assemblies. But do we, in the first place, have any aspirations?
There are many unresolved issues that will remain unresolved even if we change the government. And the new government cannot resolve these unresolved issues because society itself has not changed its mindset.
Okay, maybe I need to run through a few examples to help you grasp the point I am trying to make. One example would be the status of the lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) community. Is this community welcome in Malaysia? Are Malaysians ready to respect the right of every citizen to live the life of his or her choice?
What about civil partnership? Can Malaysians accept two people living together as civil partners and accord them the same rights as a married couple, even if they are same-sex civil partners?
Are Malaysians ready to discard discrimination based on race, religion and gender and allow full meritocracy to prevail, even to the extent of accepting a non-Malay-non-Muslim Prime Minister?
Are Malaysians, especially Muslims, prepared to allow absolute freedom of religion, which will include the freedom not to have any religion or to embrace atheism?
This is merely the tip of the iceberg and there are so many other issues that are preventing the country from moving forward.
Can ‘grass’ be legalised? After all, you can still get it easily enough and by outlawing it you are just making the underground syndicate extremely rich — like what happened during the Prohibition in America when by banning liquor it just allowed the gangsters to make money.
Can prostitution be legalised? You can find prostitutes on every street corner in Malaysia, even in Kota Baru, and by making it illegal, it not only helps the underworld make tons of money but it turns the Malaysian police force into a very corrupted organisation.
And the same goes for gambling and money lending. In the UK, the underworld can’t make money from gambling and money lending because it is not illegal, and neither is prostitution or grass (as long as it is for personal use and you are not trafficking).
The real problem is not the political parties. What they want is merely to get into power. The problem is whether we know what we want. And I know you are going to reply: we want an end to abuse of power and corruption.
But is this all we want? It is a good start, I know. But a corrupt-free government is about the government. That is not about us. I am asking: what does society want? What kind of society do we want to live in, not what type of government do we want?
So we end up with a better government. And we achieve this by voting in a new government. Then what? Has society changed? Do we now live in a better society? We may now have a progressive government. But do we also now have a progressive society or are Malaysians all still backward thinking and narrow-minded and feel that apostates should be put to death and gays should be sent to jail?
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As good a backtrack and withdrawal if not pointed enough in reference to the earlier offending articles. This shows at least some Malaysians are up to par where ‘Freedom of Humanity ‘ is concerned. At least someone had the iron clad guts to digest AND smarts to reconcile what some of us write! How about one more article on :
1) Freedom from Apartheid/Fascism (Article 1 Human Rights Charter)
2) Freedom from Religious-Persecution/Religious-Supremacy. (Article 18 Human Rights Charter)
3) Equality for all ethnicities and faiths in all aspects of policy, Law and Constitution. (Surah An Nisa 4:75)
;after which return to Malaysia to try for PM (2 TERMS ONLY!) and displace the nepotism and clique paradigm running in our supposed ‘saviours’ in Pakatan?
Lead 3rd force with Tunku Aziz and any would be reformists ready to ditch BN’s racists and lapsdogs. These guys have the ethos (well fractured as is), so how about using the logos of the above and destroying the pathos of hegelian dialectic and backwardness of Malaysians, where colluding governments and term limitless oligarchs and nepotists, also plutocrats, are identified as bad for country and removed? With the above 3 items as raison d’etre, the next PM and any assenting MPs will be the true father of modern Malaysia, is that not worth a shot given the free time and wealth and networks put to no good use as of now that some of us have? . . .
BOTH BN and PR . . . GTFO of Dewan! 3rd Force is best!
Hence, seperation of state and religion (to prevent Theocracy), state and military (to prevent Junta), state and police (to prevent Nazi-like SS State) and state and term limitless politicians (to prevent Oligarchy-Feudalism-Term limitless Nepotism) is needed.
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written by panca, August 13, 2012 21:15:33
Pete, I think you ve got me wrong here. What I was saying is how are we supposed to change from a constitution that is far from freedom of choice which isn’t conducive nor democratic that I prefer not than to one that encompasses individual rights which do not hate other individual different from another individual’s preference! Therefore my point how can we have this freedom as it sounds that it boils down to us, the people and not the govt as you put it while it could not simply be us when we are not the law-makers to amend the constitution except them!
I did not promote hate, not in any instance about the rights of individual and I stand corrected that the parliament consists of MP or Monkey playing to the gallery of Race, Religion and Royalty!
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written by Admiral Tojo, August 13, 2012 20:53:58
You know Pete, I am totally at peace with LBGT, freedom of Belief, The differences in our colors and languages, cultures, food and what have you. Then again my mind was set free by the Quran, which is categorically against those who defy commonsense and religions. I am afraid that most Malaysians, including those so called learned ones, are slaves of their minds, pagans (unsophisticated), put there by their self appointed GOD representatives. They are still unable to totally obliterate the reference BOX that they have. They are incapable of thinking WITHOUT a box. All we can do is keep on trying to free these SLAVES.
Shalom
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written by jacko2012, August 13, 2012 20:51:46
Please have some patience. People’s mindset will not be able to change overnight but government can. Many aunties uncles still living in the fear of 513. That doesn’t change overnight.
For more than 50 years, Rakyat is living in the concept of TOP-DOWN approach. TOP being the government and DOWN being to Rakyat. The information is being feed from the TOP to DOWN. Other words, Government talk and Rakyat have to listen.
With the new government and perhaps with loosen press act, people able to access to unbiased main stream media, people able to be much more vocal without fearing of ISA. When there’s too much noise from the BOTTOM, the government have to listen. That’s when Rakyat kick off BOTTUP-UP approach.
When the perception change, mindset change. It just takes some time.
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written by loh333, August 13, 2012 20:24:50
The government molds the thinking of the people. Article 153 was supposed to make Malays competitive. But the government made NEP short-cut to wealth for the people in power, or connected to those in power. Corruption is rampant and politics is now the most rewarding occupation. UMNO has perfected government functions to enrich the leaders. There will be no change to their method of operation. A new government gives hope.
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written by tom73my, August 13, 2012 20:17:18
Admittedly not many Malaysians have first class mentality like RPK who is now more British than Malaysian. But that’s not my point today.
My point is, changing the government is part of the process of changing the mindset of the people. Changing the gov is the first step towards the change of mindset, which is the goal, the end game. If we keep getting rid of the more corrupt, over a period of time, we will have a clean gov. It’s the natural process of elimination of the weakest. As the gov gets cleaner, they will provide better leadership, better policies towards achieving first class mentality of the people. Don’t believe me? Just think what Biro Tatanegara has done to Malaysia.
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written by Veritas Aequitas, August 13, 2012 18:59:06
If one were to do a survey of hate and anti-religion sites against the following;
1. Islam
2. Christianity
3. Judaism
4. Hinduism
5. Buddhism
6. Taoism
7. Janism
8. Zoroastrianism
One can be confident 95% of hate sites are against religions 1 to 3. These sites are associated with the secular community, ex-believers or between themselves.
The condemnation of the other religions 4-8, are mostly from Christian or Islamic sites.
Why are the religions 1-3 hated so significantly in contrast to the the religions of 4 to 6?
I think the answers to the root causes can be found within those religions themselves. But due to cognitive bias, they will never look inward to see their own faults.
As for progress, there must be real changes in brain neuron connectivities and more activation in the higher human brain. Using PC as an analogy, the majority of humans brains are operating like the IBM XT-5160 @4.77 MHz. The majority of human brains are being more primate than being human. To facilitate progress we must expedite to increase the power of human consciousness via greater brain connectivities.
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written by katak, August 13, 2012 18:48:11
Policies and laws are set by the government-of-the-day. A progressive government tends to set progressive policies and laws. Such progressive laws and policies will enable a more progressive learning environment and a more progressive education. A progressive education can lead to a progressive mindset and thus resulting in a progressive society.
This is what we want our society to be. So, for the first step, BN/UMNO has to be kicked out.
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written by Orang utan, August 13, 2012 18:32:58
We are talking about super structures – individual and societal mindset, education, religion, politics. All of these are buggered – selfishness and divisiveness largely brought about by narrow minded parenting and selective interaction with fellow countrymen; lack of lateral thinking, prejudicial and opportunistic deeds brought about by inept and tampered education, selfishness and mental corruption brought about by individual’s personal interest and mindless media (including international). What do we have here? A society with stunted mental growth exacerbated by religious doctrines and mumbo jambo politics.
It would take years, decades even for the country’s mental state to be liberalised and key to this is originality and creativity but mindful of reason and decency. Science is allowed to be taught and practised freely, religion stay out of this.
ARTICLE 11
How about LIFE-LONG driving licenses, Pakatan asked to consider – Saturday, 25 August 2012 09:11
Malaysians have long questioned the wisdom of having to renew driving licence every year, and wary of this, PAS Youth chief Nasrudin Hassan today proposed that driving licence be issued for life.
According to Nasrudin, Pakatan Rakyat could mull this proposal if it assumes Federal power at the next general election.
“I propose that if Pakatan Rakyat rules, just issue a permanent driving license without the need to renew,” he remarked on his Twitter.
Nasrudin said renewal of driving license was another of a long list of costs that burdened the public.
When contacted by Harakahdaily on how the plan could be realised, Nasrudin said a frequent traffic offender could be denied life-long licence and be made to renew it periodically.
One way to do this is by issuing different colours of driving licences where bearers would have to renew periodically until “they behave for certain period of time”.
Saying the mechanism need to be further detailed, he stressed that the main focus should be to reduce people’s burden.
“Every year, we pay road tax and car insurance. When there is a summons, we can’t renew the road tax and will be suspended and the vehicle cannot be used.
“This makes renewing driving license redundant… So long as the driver behaves, the licence should not expire,” he explained.
-Harakahdaily
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Hey there PAS, purloining ideas? But since I do not have an official political platform or MP’s seat to claim credit by, I won’t waste time fighting about something so useful. Remember voters, this was initiated/inspired by moi’s posting/comment, not PAS’s ingenuity . . .
ARTICLE 12
Two come to Tuan Tat’s defence over forgery accusations – NEWS/COMMENTARIES – Saturday, 25 August 2012 Super Admin
(The Star) – Ex-Sepang DAP parliamentary liaison committee member Tan Tuan Tat, who was accused of forging 149 membership forms, has produced two former party supporters to back him up.
Mahful Wahid said he had collected membership forms from some 100 people in Kampung Teluk Manggis and Taman Kedidi as they were interested in becoming DAP members.
“I approached Tan for help to submit the forms to Selangor DAP. Why was he accused of forgery?” he said, adding that he, too, had been interested in joining DAP.
Such accusations, added Mahful, had caused him to lose confidence in Pakatan Rakyat.
DAP disciplinary committee chairman Tan Kok Wai said that Tuan Tat, who had been in the party for 18 years, had been charged with forging the membership forms to set up three pro tem branches in Sungai Pelek, Sepang.
He also claimed that the MyKad of people from Sungai Pelek were used without their knowledge to enrol them as DAP members.
Former Pantai Sepang Putra DAP chief R. Veerasamy echoed Mahful’s views, saying that he had also approached Tuan Tat for help to forward the forms to the state DAP’s office.
“In the end, I was found guilty of falsifying the applications and sacked,” he said during a press conference here yesterday.
Denying the accusations, Tuan Tat said it was meant to slander his integrity and credibility.
“Don’t defame me. I did not forge any forms.
“The forms were genuine and came from people who wanted to join DAP,” he said.
Tuan Tat, who used to be Taman Sri Sungai Pelek branch chairman before leaving the party last week, said DAP had deviated from its original spirit and essence.
He also disputed Tan’s charge that he was sacked from the party.
“How can I be sacked when I resigned first?” he said.
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3rd Force needs you Tuan Tat! BN is corrupt and racist. PR is nepotistic and undemocratic! Join 3rd Force!
ARTICLE 13
M’sians may not be financially ready to retire: survey – Saturday, 25 August 2012 Super Admin (RPK)
(Bernama) – A study on retirement trends in East Asia has revealed the increasing vulnerability of Malaysians due to early retirement age as well as low rates of pension receipt under the Employees’ Provident Fund and the lack of old-age poverty floor.
The study report, “Balancing Tradition and Modernity: The Future of Retirement in East Asia”, is based on a survey that the Centre for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) conducted in Malaysia, China, Hong Kong, Singapore, South Korea and Taiwan, according to Prudential in a statement on the survey findings.
The CSIS East Asia Retirement Survey reveals that an astonishing 92 per cent of current retirees in Malaysia report that they had already left the workforce by age 60 and suggests that Malaysia’s pattern of premature retirement will likely persist. Malaysia is the only country in the survey whose fertility rate is above the 2.1 replacement level and the only one that will have a growing population and workforce in the coming decades, the report said.
“In China, the elderly share of the population will be approaching 30 per cent by 2040 -– and in Hong Kong, Singapore, South Korea and Taiwan it will be approaching 40 per cent. In Malaysia, it will still be under 20 per cent,” it said.
Malaysia’s early mandatory retirement age, however, offsets its demographic advantage in building an adequate and sustainable retirement system, it added.
Co-authored by Richard Jackson and Neil Howe, it is part of the multilayer Global Ageing Preparedness Project, which was launched by CSIS and British insurance giant Prudential plc in 2010.
The survey found four out of five of today’s retirees in Malaysia worry about “being poor and in need of money,” becoming “a burden on their children,” and being “in ill health and having no one to care for them” – much larger shares than in any of the other survey countries.
Their vulnerability is attributable to Malaysia’s unusually early retirement ages, which leaves retirees at risk of outliving their savings, as well as to low rates of pension receipt under the EPF and to the lack of an age-old poverty floor, the survey said.
Retirement prospects are improving for the younger generations, who expect to be less dependent on the extended family than today’s retirees are and to rely more heavily on their own savings, it said.
But with one in five current workers still expecting to receive no pension benefits of any kind, the outlook for many is far from secure, it added. Donald Kanak, Chairman of Prudential Corporation Asia, which is part of Prudential plc, said: “Responding to the challenges caused by an ageing population is critical to Asia’s future.
“It is critical that policy makers and the industry work together to address this vital question.” Charlie Oropeza, Chief Executive Officer of Prudential Assurance Malaysia Bhd, said: “The findings of the CSIS Study reinforce the need for Malaysians to better plan and secure their financial position towards retirement.
“While the policymakers as well as the Malaysian Government have been introducing frameworks such as the Financial Blueprint to provide greater length and breadth of financial products and services, Malaysians need to be more aware and make themselves financially ready through prudent investment decisions.
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Vote moi or anyother who intend that wealth limit of 20 million and land distribution thing, for MP and ensure EVERYONE has an equal share of Malaysia, not makes shares smaller by giving out illegal citizenships. Meanwhile grant :
1) Freedom from Apartheid/Fascism (Article 1 Human Rights Charter)
2) Freedom from Religious-Persecution/Religious-Supremacy. (Article 18 Human Rights Charter)
3) Equality for all ethnicities and faiths in all aspects of policy, Law and Constitution. (Surah An Nisa 4:75)
;we’ll send the plutocrats packing with some useless fiat ‘compensation’ (lots of zeros on useless banana scrip for their land and properties) to plague other nations with ‘Wealth Sequestration’, meanwhile Malaysia becomes that much richer because of fewer citizens. Think citizens! We are going to set a precedent for human civilisation and economics by removing plutocrats and basing wealth on population number to land size ratios instead!
ARTICLE 14
There is no reason to suspend Hudud, says Nik Aziz – Saturday, 25 August 2012 Super Admin
Kelantan Chief Minister said that, the reason that people understand first before implementing Hudud laws should not be accepted.
(FMT) – Datuk Nik Aziz Nik Mat insists there is no reason to defer implementing Hudud laws in this country.
Kelantan Chief Minister said that, the reason that people understand first before implementing Hudud laws should not be accepted.
“For me there is no principle of law and on the basis of logic needs to hang about the implementation of Hudud is partly kerana than sharia law mandated in Islam.
“It kerana no law or legislation in the world, just under the democratic system Want even communist ideology waiting folk and agreed first, and implemented.
“On his deep, what other features the laws in Malaysia, he created and implemented without waiting for all parties to understand or agree.
“Termasuklah Pertubuhan the United Nations itself was a menguatkuasakan formation of the state of Israel in Palestine opposed the earth by the great Palestinian people themselves.
“Hatta U.S. President Barack Obama participated agree with the regulations ‘similar kahwin’ though majoriti the world reject it,” he said in a reality today.
Choppy seas
Add Mursyidul Am PAS, legal issues may be something there Kefahaman and are implemented after the approval of all parties, he was something not right in kaedah legislation to oversee and educate people towards goodness.
Moreover, the issue of Islamic law (Hudud) instead of the option to refuse or accept the human family. The task of the authorities in the name of Islam is kewajipan and responsibility. Thus the need for a conducive atmosphere is not a barrier to the implementation of the law of God.
He said, until when was any reason without faith and reasonable argument was always an excuse to rescind the acceptance and implementation of Allah’s law?
What is certain, the law of Allah SWT still in harmony with natural laws and His creatures.
“Even if waiting for the sound waves subside, until when the fishermen will be out to sea? When it’s choppy seas, fishing boat may be rolled into the sea to catch fish, “said Nik Aziz.
Hudud: PAS will join channels like democracy
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(Harakah) – PAS president Datuk Seri Tuan Guru Abdul Hadi Awang said PAS would implement hudud law through democratic processes available there.
In fact, he said, the effort has been dimulakan since the 90’s anymore when Enakmen Jenayah Kelantan Syariah II 1993 and Enakmen Jenayah Terengganu Syariah-2003 was introduced in both the two country.
Before that again he said, they have introduced draft legislation that the NGO Islam and non-Muslims and has raised the suggestion that the issue of hudud perlaksanaan dealt in parlimen.
“PAS hudud positively received and hudud is kewajipan Muslims.
“We will continue langsungkannya through democratic space,” he told the media after the hearing mempengerusikan Mesyuarat Political Bureau and Options Kingdom Supreme official PAS in parti it this afternoon.
Asked since Pengerusi DAP Carpal Singh issued a fact that often oppose hudud perlaksanaan, PAS president said It is not something that is complicated for PAS.
“The issue is not complicated Carpal opponent. Therefore Allah revealed Surah Al-Maidah which Jews and infidels are not in favor of Islam and Allah sent down the verse.
“What we are opposed to the severity of UMNO. Fact take steps to insulate,” he said.
He helped give a sample letter that dihantar warnings from the center to the Kelantan royal Want an expressed desire to implement hudud in the country.
In fact, he said Umno able to ration foreign kempen not to come whitewash this country will kerana hudud laws are implemented.
“Carpal no kingdom, no power, existing power ni Umno controlled BN. Entitled berhujah DAP and PAS mendokong democracy.
“Even if PAS is no power (to rule) now sorts Umno, PAS will not shut up Anybody who scolds son including royal accomplices,” he said.
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Kelantan Chief Minister said that, the reason that people understand first before implementing Hudud laws should not be accepted. – BUT Nik Aziz forgets that Hudud does not exist in Islam at all and also forgets the minority Muslims who do not want to be affected by Hudud. Hegelian dialectic!
Using democratic methods of implementing undemocratic laws that will affect minorities is a sign of authoritarianism. Must be terrible being a Muslim when such dichotomies and oxymorons in the use of the word ‘democracy’ exist. If a minority of Muslims did not want Hudud, a TRUE DEMOCRACY will cater for them by allowing abstention clauses. This is undemocratic as hell . . . a shadowy hell . . .
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written by Bernard, August 26, 2012 04:01:50
Nik Aziz has the right to push for the implementation of hudud laws for the Muslim. He has expressed clearly that the Non-Muslim are not affected. Karpal Singh has the right to oppose Hudud laws for the Non Muslims. He should not oppose the Hudud laws for the Muslim. Both have to agree to disagree on this issue. – I am most concerned about the rights of minorities. As of now Muslims cannot be apostate without becoming 2nd class citizens. Does hudud not compound the current issue without imposing hudud as well?
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written by jcsh_04, August 25, 2012 16:28:11
A nightmare indeed! They dont need 2/3 vote to change the constitution. If PR in power everthing is possible.
PKR had choose wrong partners. Time to look better partner from Sabah & Sarawak.
Let the Mad Mullah and the Idol worshipper fight each other…
“Our knowledge of the historical worth of certain religious doctrines increases our respect for them, but does not invalidate our proposal that they should cease to be put forward as the reasons for the precepts of civilization. On the contrary! Those historical residues have helped us to view religious teachings, as it were, as neurotic relics, and we may now argue that the time has probably come, as it does in an analytic treatment, for replacing the effects of repression by the results of the rational operation of the intellect.”
Sigmund Freud
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written by Ang V Qiong, August 26, 2012 15:38:51
Takkan Tok Guru nak bawa kami balik 1500 tahun dahulu? Kita sekarang naik kereta, naik kapal terbang, ada kilang buat kereta baru. Takkan nak balik ke masa tamadun dulu untuk naik unta?
ARTICLE 15
When different yardsticks are applied
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Saturday, 25 August 2012 Super Admin
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If I were a non-Muslim, I would not get involved in the Hudud debate, knowing that the Malays-Muslims themselves will never come to an agreement on the matter. Once I get involved, then we face the danger of the Malays who oppose Hudud agreeing with those who propose Hudud merely because they want to defend Islam from what they view as an attack by the non-Muslims.
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Raja Petra Kamarudin
When we apply two different approaches to a subject, invariably, we will not be able to reconcile the answer we seek. For example, seeking the answer to our existence would not give us the same result when one is guided by theology and the other applies sociology, anthropology, history and archaeology.
Why do we exist? Is it by accident or is it by design? And is our existence the ultimate purpose, which will end when we expire, or is it merely a temporary step to a final destination, which will be determined by how we live our life in this world?
Such a basic question but not one that can be answered that simply. The answer, invariably, will be determined by what ‘logic’ we apply. And is the logic we are applying really logical? How, in the first place, can we define logic when different yardsticks are being applied? And when should logic be discarded for a higher discipline, that of the word of God, which is above logic and requires faith?
No, it is not a simple puzzle to solve. Even the matter of freedom of expression falls victim to many different viewpoints. Is name-calling and labelling someone Keling Pariah, Mamak Tongkang or Cina Mata Sepet, exceeding the boundaries of freedom of expression and falls within the classification of racial slurs or is this what freedom of expression is all about?
Try calling a British of Pakistani origin a Paki here in Britain and see what will happen to you. Is not a British a Brit and an Australian an Aussie and an American a Yank? So what’s wrong with a Pakistani being called a Paki? It is not that a Pakistani is not a Paki but the fact that it has been ‘agreed’, by whom I do not know, that the word Paki is a racial slur.
And it is not just that society accepts the word Paki as a racial slur. It is also how you say it — the tone of your voice and the look on your face. A Malay is certainly a Melayu, there is no denying that. But it is how you use the word Melayu that counts. Using the ‘correct’ tone of voice and with the ‘right’ look on your face, the word Melayu can be turned into an insult.
So how do we resolve the matter of Hudud, the punishment for crimes under the Islamic laws known as the Sharia? Before that, can this matter even be resolved in the first place? Well, not if we apply two different yardsticks in arguing the case for or against Hudud. No issue can be resolved when two different yardsticks are applied and both are considered logical to the proponents as well as the opponents of Hudud.
A Pakistani is a Paki to a non-Pakistani but an insult to a Pakistani. Both are right. Yet both can never come to an agreement as to whether it was meant as an insult or not. Maybe it was a statement of fact. Maybe it was an insult. The only way to avoid the crosswire would be to call a Pakistani a Brit and leave it at that.
After all, Britons no longer exist anyway. Every Brit is a son or daughter of an immigrant. The only thing is did they migrate to Britain 100 B.C. or 2,000 years after that? Invariably, every Brit, if the roots are traced, came from somewhere outside Britain. That is the reality of the whole thing. At best, they can claim some British blood but can never lay claim to a thoroughbred Brit. Hence, the Pakistani is as British as the Royal Family or the Prime Minister of Great Britain.
When would we consider the cut-off date? If the year 100 were the cut-off date then the Italians would be Brits. If 300 were the cut-off date then the Scandinavians would be Brits. If 500 were the cut-off date then the Germans would be Brits. If 1100 were the cut-off date then the French would be Brits. If 1990 were the cut-off date then those from the Indian subcontinent would be Brits. If there is no cut-off date then everyone is a Brit. There are no Pakistanis in Britain, and hence no Pakis as well.
See how simple it is in Britain. Britain never saw independence because it never lost its independence. Britain was conquered by one power after another over more than 2,000 years and the conquerors became Brits, even when they spoke French and not a word of English. So everyone in Britain is a Brit and there are no pendatangs. If there are pendatangs, then every single person in Britain is a pendatang. It is as simple as that.
But in Malaysia it is more complicating. Malaysia never existed until 1963. From 1957 it existed as Malaya. Before that there was no Malaya. The British created Malaya. And in creating Malaya they also created Malays, who also never existed until the British created them. And the British declared that Malaya belonged to the Malays and everyone else is an immigrant.
But what is the cut-off date? The cut-off date is not clear. If the cut-off date were 1700 then the entire Selangor Royal Family would be pendatang. If the cut-off date were 31st August 1957 then only those born outside the country after that date would be pendatangs. Those born outside Malaya before 31st August 1957 and those born in the country after 31st August 1957 would be Malaysians.
Nevertheless, the British had decided that Malaya would be given independence on 31st August 1957 and with independence we would receive a written Constitution, something that the British themselves do not have. And in this written Constitution it would be stated plus implied that the Malays own the land. And to reinforce this ownership, Islam would be the religion of the land, Malay would be the official language, and Malays would be accorded certain privileges.
This was the agreement, whether stated or implied. And it was an agreement that all the races in Peninsular Malaysia agreed to adopt. It was not unilateral. It was bilateral. Was this a mistake, especially on the part of the Chinese and the Indians? On hindsight it is always easy to talk. Everyone is an expert on hindsight. It is foresight that matters. Did the Chinese and Indians not have the foresight to see that an open-ended agreement with no expiry date would be binding to future generations of Chinese and Indians who would still be regarded as Chinese and Indians and ‘secondary’ Malayans?
And this is why we are currently facing a problem regarding Hudud. To Malaysians who are not Muslims, Hudud is viewed as a legal matter. It involves the punishment meted out for certain crimes. Hence Hudud needs to be discussed under the ambit of the legal system.
They are, of course, correct.
To Muslims, however, Hudud is not about the law. It is about what God has commanded. And God’s command is beyond discussion. It is about acceptance without argument. To reject God’s command is like the Catholics rejecting the Trinity or the Jews rejecting the Ten Commandments. It is a matter that cannot be compromised.
They are, of course, also correct — at least as far as each religious faith is concerned.
So both are correct, no one is wrong. So how do we resolve a situation where both are correct and no one is wrong but the ‘correctness’ of their views places them at odds?
As long as the Muslims in Malaysia believe that Islam is the religion of the land and hence whatever is mandatory in Islam becomes mandatory for the whole country then this is not a matter that will see a solution.
All other religions will be allowed, but Islam is the religion of the land, not the other religions. The Malays are masters of the land. Non-Malays will be allowed a place under the Malaysian sun but will be secondary to the Malays. This is what the British intended for independent Malaya. And the British made sure that this intention was clearly stated in a written Constitution.
Basically, we are faced with a belief system here, the belief that the Malays are the masters of the land and Islam is the religion of the land. And belief systems are not easy to eradicate. Can we convince the Christians that Jesus Christ was a mere man and not divine or the Son of God, hence the Trinity does not exist? Can we convince the Muslims that the Qur’an was not the word of God because it was compiled by a ‘committee’ years after the death of the Prophet and ‘strengthened’ by the Hadith, which was a creation of ‘spin-doctors’?
I fear that would be an impossible task. Both the Christians as well as the Muslims would never change their belief system just because you say so. Belief systems are carved in stone. And the belief that the Malays are masters of the land and Islam is the religion of the land is not a belief system that the Malays or Muslims will readily reject.
So what do we do about Hudud? What can we do about it? As long as the Malays believe that the Qur’an is God’s word and that Hudud is God’s command and that Islam is the religion of the land there is nothing we can do about it.
Can we resist or oppose Hudud? Well, can we resist or oppose the law that forbids Muslims from leaving Islam to become Christians, Hindus or Buddhists?
The only ‘good’ thing about the Hudud issue — if you were the eternal optimist who always tries to see good in everything, like the ‘blessing in disguise’ thing — is that Hudud has been reduced to a political issue. Hence, when it becomes a political issue, one side will oppose when the other side proposes. And this would mean that even amongst the Muslims the Hudud issue would never be resolved.
If I were a non-Muslim, I would not get involved in the Hudud debate, knowing that the Malays-Muslims themselves will never come to an agreement on the matter. Once I get involved, then we face the danger of the Malays who oppose Hudud agreeing with those who propose Hudud merely because they want to defend Islam from what they view as an attack by the non-Muslims.
Let me put it another way. When the Chinese are of the opinion that Chinese education is ‘under attack’, even the MCA and DAP people can sit at the same table under the umbrella of Chinese education to hammer out an issue of common interest. And this is what can happen when Hudud is viewed as ‘under attack’ — the Malays will share a common platform in the interest of ‘mempertahankan kedaulatan Islam’ (in defence of the sanctity of Islam).
So be careful with what you say. Calling a Pakistani a Paki may be kosher to you. The Pakistani, however, may view it as an insult and you can go to jail in Britain if you pass racial slurs. In that same spirit, labelling Hudud as barbaric and those who propagate it as stupid is certainly your right under freedom of expression. To the Muslim, however, that is an insult to God and freedom of expression does not include insulting God.
So what do we do then? Do we just shut up and accept the fact that we must lose certain freedom of expression? Or do we speak our mind whatever the consequences in the interest of freedom of expression?
Honestly, I really do not know. When two different sets of values are applied I am at a loss. My solution would be to just let the two sides argue and we see where the cards fall. Most likely they will continue to argue into the next generation without any resolution. In that case nothing will happen so we do not need to address anything.
Is this a solution? Maybe not! It is more like ignoring it and hoping it will go away. But that is how I sometimes handle the common cold and it does go away. Then, sometimes it may become pneumonia, who knows? But next month I will be 62 and I am still alive. So maybe I have not come out the worst for ignoring the common cold and just allowing it to run its course after all.
But, yes, I know, we all want to speak and say something. We do not want to allow the ‘other side’ to speak unchallenged. So we speak even when what we say is not going to achieve anything. And we will all scream and oppose or scream and defend Hudud when we know nothing is going to happen in the end. And we will find out that loose lips sink ships. But never mind if the ship sinks as long as we can talk while it sinks.
Such is the folly of mankind. And aren’t wars fought in defence of national pride and dignity when all that is merely another word for ego? And who am I to take away your right of free speech, never mind what is being said will see no light at the end of the tunnel? That, in the end, is what will prevail.
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written by Pollux, August 27, 2012 00:56:47
Ok RPK, we will not debate about hudud. We could, however, set one condition, which would be fair in light of this topic about yardsticks.
If hudud laws are to be implemented then it must coincide with the right to bear arms, without licences or permits just as it was back in the good old days. Then we will all be using the same yardstick and, if I may, mentality. Then everything will be back as it was in the medieval days. No right to bear arms, no hudud. Let’s all go back to the time when hudud came about and was first practiced. The right to bear arms was after all taken away by those colonialists Brits who needed to control the masses.
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written by Azman, August 26, 2012 23:47:14
Hudud law is Muhammad law ! Muhammad used Islam to get politic power ! Why Muslims have to suffer so much Islam law which effect their life, work and business ? Why non-Muslim no follow but Allah no punish them ? That mean Allah like non-Muslim more then Muslim ! Actually all human is equal only religious make human difference !
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written by azm, August 26, 2012 23:36:13
Lesley Hazleton (born 1945) is an award-winning British-American writer whose work focuses on the intersection of politics, religion, and history, especially in the Middle East. She reported from Israel for Time, and has written on the Middle East for numerous publications including The New York Times, The New York Review of Books, Harper’s, The Nation, and The New Republic.[1]
Hazleton was born in England, and became a United States citizen in 1994. She was based in Jerusalem from 1966 to 1979 and in New York City from 1979 to 1992, when she moved to her current home in Seattle WA, originally to get her pilot’s license. She has two degrees in psychology (B.A. Manchester University, M.A. Hebrew University of Jerusalem).[2]
She has described herself as “a Jew who once seriously considered becoming a rabbi, a former convent schoolgirl who daydreamed about being a nun, an agnostic with a deep sense of religious mystery though no affinity for organized religion”.[3] “Everything is paradox,” she has said. “The danger is one-dimensional thinking”.[4]
In April 2010, she began blogging as The Accidental Theologist,[5] focusing on religion, politics, and existence.[6] In September 2011, she received The Stranger’s Genius Award in Literature. [7]
She is currently working on a new biography of Muhammad,[8] to be published by Riverhead/Viking in spring 2013.
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written by Zaiton, August 26, 2012 23:29:08
PAS is a fanatic religious party ! If Malaysia rule by them sure will be like Afghanistan during Taliban rule ! If Allah help them sure they always won in election but they always defected ! Politic involve religious that will no fair to others faith !
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written by azm, August 26, 2012 23:11:06
these are not stated by muslims..
Despite all of the ills of Muslims everywhere, Islam continues to be the fastest growing religion on earth. Professor Huston Smith of the MIT in his book, “The Religions of Man” says, “In some areas where Islam and Christianity are competing for converts, Islam is gaining at a rate of 10 to 1.”
Ambassador Herman Ellis, in a testimony in front of the committee on Foreign Affirs of the House of Represntatives of the United States Congress on June 24th, 1985, said, “The Muslim community of the globe today is in the neighbourhood of one billion. That is an impressive figure. But what to me is equally impressive is that Islam today is the fastest growing monotheistic religion. This is something we have to take into account. Something is right about Islam. It is attracting a good many people.”
Many distinguised Western historians have attested this fact– foremost among whom is Sir Thomas W. Arnold in his book, “The Preaching of Islam”. Also there is Marshall G. Hodgson in his book, “The Venture of Islam”, Albert Hourani in his book, “A History of the Arab People”, Ira Lapidus in his book, “History of Islamic Societies”, L.S. Starorianos in his book, “A Global Hisotry, the Human Heritage” and many others
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written by JRA, August 26, 2012 22:32:48
The first thing we need to do when Hudud is implemented in Malaysia is to ‘potong the Lan Chiao’ of these kurang ajar chinaman making all these kurang ajar comments here!
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written by miya, August 26, 2012 20:55:28
same old issue every time
long long way to Putrajaya smilies/sad.gif
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written by Wan Kembang, August 26, 2012 19:37:54
I feel really angry when Karpal oppose hudud, in which I think he did in a very rude way and disrespecting majority of muslim… but even though I am a Muslim I dont see this as a very big issues for PR as a promising political coalition (but a bit suprised with the reaction from non-Muslim). Honestly if happened I have to vote in Karpal constituency, I definitely vote him even against UMNO-BN Malay Muslim candidate, as UMNO-BN is too rotten to be choose!
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written by Morris, August 26, 2012 19:07:28
It’s a waste of time debating Hudud. All Malays – ians are against it as i see it. from my point of view, they knew that most of the criminals are Malays -ians and I don’t think they like that laws to be used against them. What is most appropriate is, the existing laws should be done without fear or favour.
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written by Alice, August 26, 2012 17:52:28
We should stand up for truth and justice as universal values .Leave religion out of everything. Religion is personal . Hudud I totally oppose. We have enough headache already and confuse us with more religious stuff. Show us your religion through your actions . Show us Islamic countries living happily ever after with hudud laws. After all it will be men who will implement these laws if passed . History has shown us that man has always failed to be just and fair. Look at our own judiciary and the pathetic state it is in.
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written by anakipoh, August 26, 2012 16:36:36
bumi non malay, please just comment on the issue of PAS trying to implement hudud. The moment you skew off tracks and started criticising islam, like calling it flawed, you earn the wrath of all muslims alike, whether those who oppose and those who propose. This is what RPK is trying to warn that non muslims should stay out of this. If you must say something, direct it to the people that are flawed, not the religion itself.
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written by bumi non malay, August 26, 2012 14:54:11
….meanwhile apparently a down syndrome girl is facing death in Pakistan for burning Koran and his brother apparent mutilated….. First because they are christian, 2nd its Islam Great justice systems, 3rd no wonder the Brits hates the “pakis”…..whoops Pakistani.
Bring on hudud…and make sure Hudud can be back tracked to just after Merdeka 1957……. If the punishment is chopping hands for corruption……then please make sure the Defender of islam is Kosher with that…… How many have accepted money for Datuk??…. Off with the Defender of Islam hands… But what if Defender of islam convert to another religion to escape this punishment? Can hudud and melayu terima this??…will they then foam like the Pakistani over a burnt Koran?? There lies the flaw and credibility of Islam!!
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written by zhang he, August 26, 2012 14:36:25
In the Pro-hudud camp = PAS (30 MPs)
In the Anti-Hudud camp = DAP, MCA, MIC, Gerakan and scores of other party (inc those from East Malaysia) – 82 MPs
In the “I am not sure” camp = UMNO and PKR (110 MPs)
Even PAS + UMNO + PKR MPs were to say aye to Hudud = 140, we are still short of the 2/3 to amend the constitution. And we know that even UMNO and PKR is still undecided about Hudud.
Great, now in the PRU-13, let the people decide by their vote.
At this moment with the political make up, Hudud is a non starter. It is a perrenial red herring.
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written by Siudi, August 26, 2012 12:18:11
It still seems that Malaysians are more united under DUIT, not Hudud or whatsoever. Just look at BN, they still stick to each other under CRONYISM. Meanwhile DAP and PAS are still at each other necks over Hudud. So I guess the 2013 election will be just like 2004 all over again
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written by chinois, August 26, 2012 08:57:38
Muslims have been in disagreement with one another for ages. Muslims have been killing one another for ages. I say let muslims settle their problems themselves, if ever. Even if the intention of the non-muslims is to try to talk sense into muslims, it gets perceived as an attack on muslims and Islam. How to help the muslims like that? They don’t want to be helped, they don’t want to listen, they don’t want to be a part of modern society. Better just shut up till they’ve exhausted themselves then say “I told you so”. It’s sad really, but there is just nothing that can be done, by muslims no less what more non-muslims.
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written by Jamie, August 26, 2012 08:42:44
Our political parties are in a state of deep slumber.
Instead of focusing on pressing issues, day in day out they keep harping on trivial issues like this Hudud lah, tokongs lah, blah blah blah.
What are their ideas on overcoming or at least insulating us the rakyat, from the effects of the financial crises? Banks rigging LIBOR rates, a 50 to 1 ratio of derivatives liability, a great whirlpool waiting to turn into a black hole. What has PAS proposed to do? Or is it that Hudud will miraculously save us?
What have they done about Syria and Iran? Western powers are hell bent on turning these countries into living hells and what has Malaysia done to help these people?
Eco crises – so what is the stand on Fukushima? Does anyone realize that Fukushima has been spewing out radiation that has reached the US West Coast? Think Malaysia will not be part of the fallout? Where are the contingency plans?
Freedom of speech – Our freedom of speech is under attack everywhere in the world. UK threatening to storm an embassy for granting asylum to Julian Assange, Brandon Raub sent to a mental hospital for questioning the events of 9/11, Quebec banning student protests (that’s more draconian than 42smilies/cool.gif, Evidence Act 114A, ISA in Singapore, ad nauseum. So is PAS joining the anti-free speech crowd too?
Just a few things mentioned above already shows our world is in a state of deep crisis. But for PAS and sundry to do all these kind of clownish antics, deeply convinces me that they are not concerned about Malaysia’s future, they only care about living in their own shell which will be blast open by external forces eventually. As one famous person says, by their fruits you will know them. You say left and right that you will go to heaven. Sorry, you want to rush headlong into destruction go ahead, I’m going to do what’s right.
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written by Admiral Shin, August 26, 2012 07:17:34
Well, YM, I have never whacked Islam/ Hudud per se. I have written against Christian, Buddhist, Hindu and other religious bigots in the past.
I know many comments about Islam and hudud are unwarranted; I call upon other MT readers to desist. However, sometimes what you have written begs ” tongue in cheek ” replies!smilies/wink.gif
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written by Pro-arte, August 26, 2012 07:11:20
“Pro-arte, I asked you about the crimes of rebellion, murder and robbery and you talk about rape. Apalah ni. Benci Islam sangat-sangat sampai dah sasul terlajak! ”
The pertinent issue was about whether women can be witnesses in Hudud. The simple answer is No.
I mentioned Pakistan’s Hudud Ordinance which excludes women as witnesses. Similarly , the Kelantan and Terengganu Hudud enactments exclude women as witnesses.
You may have a different understanding of Hudud or Islam for that matter, but the pertinent issue is what PAS concept of Hudud is.
Can you categorically state that the PAS Hudud bills allow women to be witnesses, yes or no?
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written by Super Admin, August 26, 2012 06:47:10
Admiral Shin, when I whack Pakatan regarding many issues, the disunity issue being one of them, you all whack me and allege that I have been bought off. Why are you anti-Hudud/anti-Islam wankers making so much noise? For the sake of Pakatan, for the sake of kicking Umno out, for the sake of making sure that Anwar becomes the next Prime Minister, why don’t you all shut the fuck up? Have you all been bought or what? Are you all trying to sabotage Pakatan? HIDUP HUDUD!
I’m just loving this ‘I told you so’. I hope PAS and DAP choke on Hudud. Then let’s see what you all have to say after that.
RPK
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written by Gift4ever, August 26, 2012 06:20:29
Religion & race is a piss off thingy. Malaysia must not classify a person according to religion and race. When you fill any form there must not be a question on religion and race.
I am no longer in Malaysia, here in Australia not once I have to fill my religion or race on any form. In fact when you ask an Aussie what is your race? The answer will be “Eh?” They thought you are talking about 100 meter race.
My eyes maybe sloppy and skin a bit yellow but who cares when my wallet is bigger than yours.
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written by Super Admin, August 26, 2012 06:19:39
Supercally, yeap, and a good political strategy, don’t you think so? And you wankers are falling for it on top of that. Brilliant! That’s why we have to take our hat off to Umno. They are so clever to get you all to foam at the mouth while they steal the election.
RPK
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written by Super Admin, August 26, 2012 06:15:53
Pro-arte, I asked you about the crimes of rebellion, murder and robbery and you talk about rape. Apalah ni. Benci Islam sangat-sangat sampai dah sasul terlajak!
RPK
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written by Super Admin, August 26, 2012 06:12:12
Lord Jim, actually the only hope for BN in the next election is for the Malays to not vote Chinese DAP and for the Chinese to not vote PAS Malay. I think this Hudud thing might yet achieve the desired result. Hence this unrestrained Islam-whacking is necessary.
RPK
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written by Admiral Shin, August 26, 2012 05:44:19
Perceived insults are generally due to an inferiority complex, insecurity, intransigence as well as ignorance. Many years ago whilst showing a new varsity junior around KL, we were almost bashed up by a ketuanan type bigot because we mentioned the word ” Jalan Melayu “. What he heard was only ” Melayu ” and he took great offence at that. He swung his helmet at us besides levelling kicks our way. We fended off his attacks all the time protesting loudly that we were talking about the street “Jalan Melayu “; he refused to back off uttering expletives all the time until he exhausted himself, after which he was told by one goreng pisang seller that we did indeed talk about the nearby street. He made off with a huff with nary an apology or any sense of guilt.
As a digression, I wonder if our ” body snatchers ” are going to jet off to the US to carry off Neil Amstrong’s body now that the famous astronaut just passed on. There was a real ” shiok sendiri ” belief that Amstrong converted to Islam after hearing the azan on his ear phones whilst prancing on the lunar surface. This is not to ” perli ” anyone, but to show up what ignorance, belligerence and irrational thinking can befall the self appointed religious guardians of faith.
We all should practise good human values which are never at odds with religious tenets. Remember, religions are the tools of the shadowy ruling elites to control the human population through fear, insecurity and idolatry. These psychological states provide immense psychic forces that feed the entity the ruling shadowy elites serve. Humans must take their birthright of freedom, spiritual sovereignty and universal love away from this diabolical control.
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written by Pro-arte, August 26, 2012 04:51:37
RPK said: “Pro-arte, I read through the Hudud law application and I can’t find that part that says they only accept male witnesses for the crime of rebellion, murder, robbery and so on. Maybe you can help me by quoting the title of the book and author so that I can brush up my reading on Hudud. ”
Perhaps you can start by brushing up on the Hudud Bill drafted by the Terengganu state government which was actively promoted by Hadi Awang:
1) A woman cannot be a witness.
2) A woman who reports she has been raped will be charged for qazaf (false accusation) and flogged 80 lashes if she is unable to prove the rape.
3) An unmarried woman who is pregnant is assumed to have committed zina.
The Terengganu Hudud bill in this respect does not appear to be different to the Kelantan Hudud Bill formulated in 1993 where women are not allowed to be witnesses. The Hudud Ordinance of Pakistan also rejects females as witnesses.
I rest my case.
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written by Lord Jim, August 26, 2012 04:51:31
(contd…)
Islam is on its deathbed anyway, there is no problem waiting for an Iran in Asia with our monkeys totally unable to make it last due to its blessed stupidity and primitive mentality, more than one major power would vie to wipe out the monkeys as a favour to themselves – what do you expect, a bunch of wealthy Middle-Eastern monkeys forking out to make Malaysia an Islamic stronghold?
When the mullahs came to power in Iran, those veil and burqa types were desperate getting their hands on rather sexy lingerie and underwear items (worn under their Stone Age fashion) A couple of my (Jewish) Iranian friends made their fortunes supplying sexy clandestinely. I have more faith in our Muslim women keeping their bollocks-swinging men’s “religious” zeal in check. I also have vast confidence in our beer-swigging Muslims to maintain sanity.
Non-Muslims – don’t panic! Whatever happens you will always get your beers and pork and whatever else back! I can even help out with sexy if you want to control the “religious” nutters while waiting for Malaysia to collapse!
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written by Lord Jim, August 26, 2012 04:48:13
“Let me publicly tell the Non-Muslim … blah blah … where PAP welcomes you !!”
Singapore would not welcome “you”, though it would stoke the flame. I would publicly urge non-Muslims to switch off the economy. It would work better than in Palestine, the Israel look-alike in the Malaysian government would be shafting itself stupid if just this happens.
Cronies and those who are into baksheesh would be forced to expose their monkey allies in government, they have their blackmail card. This has been done before in other countries in Southeast Asia and has worked. The non-Muslims have the better reputation in the international economy.
Only card of the monkeys would be the balik Cina/India one and these days you cannot really use that (even if backed by violence and murder) Unlike in the past, China has dropped hints of involvement if it gets dragged into anti-Chinese rows. It is only a few hours to arrive at Malaysia via Thailand at the worse case scenario if our monkeys would provide that excuse. Whereas in the past it is left to the US to do regime change, these days China and India would want a hand too. Nothing better than to help our monkeys destablise Malaysia and killing themselves off! For me, balkanising Malaysia is the best way to get rid of Malaya from Sarawak.
(Cont…)
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written by bpchan, August 26, 2012 04:37:53
Aiyoh… I think the Chinese or non Muslim should comment about illegal 4d , drugs sold in almost every Chinaman Disco , prostitution in massage parlors and etc instead of Hudud , these are the serious social problems happening around us, don’t tell me you guys are not aware .
So many Chua Soi Leks here . Seek help from Cesar Millan please.
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written by Super Admin, August 26, 2012 03:39:02
Dr Syed Alwi, I suppose you are right. If one side will not compromise and back down why should the other side do that? Both sides should stick to their guns come hell or high-water. Eventually something is going to break anyway and that will break the deadlock.
RPK
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written by Super Admin, August 26, 2012 03:30:10
Pro-arte, I read through the Hudud law application and I can’t find that part that says they only accept male witnesses for the crime of rebellion, murder, robbery and so on. Maybe you can help me by quoting the title of the book and author so that I can brush up my reading on Hudud.
By the way, the Islamic law of khalwat (close proximity) already applies in Malaysia. So you do not need Hudud for that since it is currently already the law.
googoodools, some would disagree with you. Some would argue that Chinese education affects all Malaysians since it breeds racism. So I suppose it is one opinion against another.
RPK
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written by Nice n Simple, August 26, 2012 02:56:47
Well, good luck to the Malays who are not born free.
EDITOR: I can see that you are very concerned about the Malays, that’s all. Yeah, right.
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written by Supercally, August 26, 2012 02:21:56
The problem is the non malay (MCA) and the Malay (UMNO) are manipulating the issue to deceive the non malay and malay for their selfish aim
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written by Pro-arte, August 26, 2012 01:57:56
I think people should speak their mind on the Hudud issue. Why are we assuming that Malays are not willing to apply logic? Is it wrong to point out the truth? Hudud only allows males to be witnesses. This immediately conflicts with the Constitution which guarantees equality. Any right thinking person in 2012 would draw the conclusion that Hudud is primitive and outdated in applying this stipulation of having male witnesses only. If a witness can bring a criminal to justice, why should the sex matter?
Malaysians are not entirely stupid and full well know the Hudud issue has surfaced to show Malays that PAS is more true to Islam than UMNO because it supports Hudud. The truth is PAS doesn’t want any discussion on the details and ramifications of implementing Hudud as the reality would make Malays realise that Hudud is no longer relevant in 2012. It is justice for the victim which matters and not the sex of the witness.
I think it is foolhardy to assume that most Malays support the imposition of Hudud in Malaysia because any right thinking Malay even if he supports Hudud would only do so when we have independent Shariah courts, a police force which is not corrupt and a high level of integrity in society. Otherwise Hudud will be abused and atrocities like chopping innocent victims hands and stoning to death innocent couples accused of adultery will occur. Any miscarriages of justice cannot be redressed because limb amputation is permanent and devastating. Similarly raising someone from the dead after being stoned is not an option!
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written by Pro-arte, August 26, 2012 01:51:53
Hudud will most definitely lend itself to abuse and corruption because individuals wanting to escape from having their their limbs amputated will offfer huge bribes if they had the means. The whole legal system would be corrupted in an instant by theiving billionaires. One has to look at the pronouncements of the State Mufti Harussani to realise that these religious scholars can so easily pervert the Koran and Hadiths to justify lies and corruption.
This is our experience of religious politicians as well. They speak with forked tongues. Not so long ago Hadi wanted to ‘muzakarrah’ with UMNO and Tok Aziz opposed it. Now Hadi says he will not ‘muzzakarah with UMNO but Tok Aziz says he wants to ‘muzakarrah’ with UMNO, But when Nasha Mat Isa is seen ‘bermuzakkarah’ with UMNO, they both oppose it !
Malays are watching the antics of these politicians and are making calculations. Of course Malays aspire to be good Muslims but they are no longer so beholden to politicans and religious leaders. The internet has revealed a whole new world of ideas and opinions to them and as a result has opened their minds and exposed the lies and hypocrisy of religious leaders and politicians.
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written by slash, August 26, 2012 01:17:29
jcsh_04, have you seen your god before?have you talk with him ? no? why? so is this called is INSANE too ?
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written by EnoughIsEnough, August 26, 2012 00:59:11
DengXiaoPing the father of modern China applies this approach as well, to leave the problem to the next generation (read indefinitely) on the following issues:
1. The claim to Taiwan
2. The claim to the disputed islands in the Pacific & the South China Seas
Wise man indeed. RPK, you are right on the button!
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written by M, August 26, 2012 00:25:19
I have to agree with RPK, t makes sense. Now on nothing will be said, we shall leave this issue to the Muslims.
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written by santi vardhana caitanya, August 26, 2012 00:21:48
Dear RPK,
if you are actually suffering from cold, I suggest you take “Indian Gooseberry” aka “Amalaki or “Amla”. It has 3000 mg of Vitamin C per fruit, making it the most powerful fruit in the world.
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written by Romeo2, August 26, 2012 00:14:00
Every new child comes with the message that God is not discouraged by man – Rabindranatha Tagore. How true! And we are still fighting over religions since civilization.
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written by poyo moyo, August 26, 2012 00:05:10
I am wondering why this minister jamil khir supposed to be incharge of national islamic affair is keeping quiet on this noisy issue. Is he not interested in his job and makan gaji buta or Is he busy doing private business or doing his ‘puasa 6’
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written by Dr Syed Alwi, August 25, 2012 23:55:34
Dear RPK,
This time you are very wrong ! This time RPK – you salah ! Are you telling me that the Non-Muslims have no say in the future of Malaysia that they cannot comment on Hudud ? RPK – please man – to make Hudud work, PAS will be forced to change the social climate of Malaysia into something like Saudi Arabia. Hudud only works when you have such a social climate.
And now you are telling me that the Non-Muslims of Malaysia cannot comment on this ?
Let me publicly tell the Non-Muslim Malaysians – lu migrate sudah – jangan buang masa dengan sebuah negara yang tak terima kamu…Come to Singapore where PAP welcomes you !!
Regards
Dr Syed Alwi
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written by farcry, August 25, 2012 23:36:04
I have been wondering IF PR took over Putrajaya, will Malays and Chinese become even more divided? It will be a real battle between PAS and DAP at that time.
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written by Lord Jim, August 25, 2012 21:58:52
“Paki” is a racial slur in Britain so is even “Chicken Curry” for the Indians.
“Chinaman” is also a racial slur – but that does not stop our deculturalised, Sambo-ised monkeys from accepting it and happily using it even on themselves.
Our bananas among the Chinese would use “Chinaman” on other Chinese as if he is himself a white man! Somehow some Chinese are “Chinamen” while others are not! Somehow our Chinese monkeys seem to feel they are different and more “superior” to other Chinese. Given that the majority of Malaysian Chinese are from coolie and peasant stock, the need to feel “superior” shows more inferiority than anything. Seeing themselves as inferior, many Chinese like to pick on Malays to make themselves feel better. Invention of slurs like “metallic black” from even our supposed progressive democrats is not surprising.
Only very recently it is claimed that the Brits originally came from Turkey, the country. If anything, St George of the Brits was from there.
I have yet to see someone write and lay out good reasons why we should have hudud. But, please, you monkeys who rely on dogma and unquestioning “faith” had better not apply to do this!
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written by Voice of Reason, August 25, 2012 21:55:04
Maybe this is true for Malayans. But the East will oppose it to the bitter end. Just impose it on West Malaysians if you must but keep the secular East out of this. There’s a reason why West Malaysians of all races refuses to return to the peninsula once they’ve lived in Borneo. Where else in Malaysia can a Malay own or manage a pub?
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written by earthman, August 25, 2012 21:53:36
If one can see then one would notice the hypocrisy that some Malaysians would quote the Malaysian constitution for their own interest instead of for all Malaysians. When challenged they would quote the constitution that Malaya belongs to the Malays and Islam is the official religion. But these Malays would ignore the constitution when challenged on the freedom of faith and worship and equal justice for all .
Did the constitution say that a Malay cannot believe in Jesus and the Bible? Or did the constitution say that non Muslims cannot built their place of worship like the Muslims built their mosque? Or did the constitution say that the government can applied the NEP for the benefits of the Malays alone? You see many policies and laws in Malaysia are against the constitution but the Malays ignore it for their own interest . Is this not hypocrisy?
If the Muslims would unite because they feel threatened and ignore the facts, truth, injustices and hypocrisy before them , no one can stop them but they will have to answer to God Almighty Who gives this land for all to live and work together.
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written by googoodools, August 25, 2012 21:53:24
If Hudud doesn’t apply to non muslim/non malays, than yes i agree that they should not get involved in the Hudud debate. However, this is completely different from the example you quoted regarding chineses education. The chinese education issues merely affect chinese only but Hudud would probably have impact on all malaysian, not just muslims/malays.
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written by Saint, August 25, 2012 21:24:34
RPK is right, let the Muslims decide what they want first, and as history has told us, we as humans as such will not agree to anything that easily and Muslims are no exception.
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written by cty, August 25, 2012 21:10:25
I believe too that the hudud question be settled by Muslims just as long as non-Muslims are left out of its implementation. This is easily said then done when there are disagreements, altercations, murders etc that involve both parties. Which law should be followed? Hudud or Man’s Law. When non-Muslims do not make their objections now, hudud will definately be applied to them when implemented despite promises made otherwise. To digress, each time W Msians argue about hudud, some how or rather they forget about E Msians as if they do not matter quantitatively, is this not seer colonistic arrogance?
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written by EU, August 25, 2012 21:07:25
If the Malays see that hudud is under attack, then, all the malays will vote PAS including the UMNO supporters. Maybe this is a good thing.
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written by jcsh_04, August 25, 2012 20:50:55
Dear Temenggong,
I agree with your ‘prognosis’ regarding this damn christia* freak, they never learn from history. I can smell they are now try to be ‘Hollier than thou’
Hey freaks remember Spanish Inquisition?
Worshipping invisible god and worshipping idol can be considered as INSANE
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written by temenggong, August 25, 2012 20:32:25
The Chinese under DAP have made a serious strategic mistake in thinking they can ride to Putrajaya on their own. Hijacked by christian religious bigots, for the last 4 years they have demonised everyone who criticised their shortcomings, and refused to make course corrections, inspite of several early warnings patiently for 4 years. Now is our turn. Two can play this game.
We cannot send Pakatan to Putrajaya in its current setup. There has to be a leadership and policy change in Pakatan first. This is final. Hence the demonisation of islam and hudud will continue, and increase, until Malays see the light. A list of vocal christian evangelist DAP MPs and Aduns outside Penang will be published to assist Malay voters in GE 13. But admittedly, we expect all Chinese majority seats to increase their majorities due to increased chinese swing and new voters.
Did you see how the stupid melayu Mansur Othman grovelled and collapsed in political servility? I enjoyed it.
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written by Veritas Aequitas, August 25, 2012 20:32:03
Eventually the finer truths of reality will prevail. The religionists had already conceded many of the lies and falsehoods that they had held dearly, e.g. acknowledging the truth that the Sun do not revolves around Earth, and others.
Emmanuel Kant had argued that God, as a being than which no greater can be conceived, is a transcendental illusion that cannot be proven empirically, but it is a notion that is necessary, i.e. as a ‘white lie’ for various psychological reasons and soothe an existential crisis manifesting from the maturing mental states of the majority.
Certain people may have some vested interests against hudud, but imo, the majority who voice against hudud are doing so as concerned individuals of humanity to ensure humanity’s progress is not put into reverse gears. It is difficult for any rational person to accept ‘backward’ laws on a wholesale basis that is supposedly commanded from something based on a transcendental illusion and faith.
If there is anything good from hudud or any other sources, they should be dealt on a piecemeal basis and be deliberated for adoption as a secular law on a constitutional parliamentary basis. In this case, if it is later found not to be effective due to changing reality and circumstance, it can be amended, changed, or make void via parliament. In the case of religious based laws, once it is implemented, being immutable and that God cannot not make mistakes, it not likely to be changed.
For the sake of the progress of humanity, religion and politics should not be mixed at all.
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written by albert zacharias, August 25, 2012 20:25:37
It all depends who, how, when and where it is spoken. In the bar everything goes. In the court every word counts and at home it does not matter. If nothing to say to another keep quiet lah. Politicians like soiled leg likes to put his big leg everywhere and get everybody soiled.
Don’t be like that lah.
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written by jcsh_04, August 25, 2012 20:24:03
Mein Fuhrer,
You are right sir! will follow your advice…thanks for the enlightement.
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written by nanakassim, August 25, 2012 19:58:11
I’m saying this with my mouth closed:
A wise man opens his mouth because he has something to say; a fool opens his mouth because he has to say something
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written by Tompodus, August 25, 2012 19:57:48
Dear Tuanku RPK,
I may correct on this one! “Those born outside Malaya before 31st August 1957 and those born in the country after 31st August 1957 would be Malaysians.”
The correction is, “Those born inside of Malaya before 31st August 1957 and those born in the countries (Malaya, Singapore, Sabah, Sarawak) after 16 September 1963 would be Malaysians.”
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written by eternal flame, August 25, 2012 19:54:14
Why dont we talk about the welfare and well being of Malay, Chinese, Indian, Iban,Kadazan & Orang Asli
why are we still a developing country, Houses, Cars & prices of goods & services so expensive these days. Why are our salary so low yet we want to be a developed country come 2020, Our security guards salary is around rm 1000 per month can we put enough foods on the table compare to UK say 1000 pounds per month, Tell that to all the poor people in Malaysia, why cant we do something for them can Hudud solve all the problem for the poor people in Malaysia
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written by An Observer, August 25, 2012 19:27:27
Thank you RPK for articulating this issue in a sensible way. I will have no more say in this Hudud issue. Whatever that can be said has been said, ad nauseum. Hopefully when everyone’s tired and done talking, we can move on.
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As mentioned before, hudud is not something a majority of Malays want, just like the right to apostasy is something a minority of Malays do want. Hudud can be applied on a person to person basis but why anyone wants to allow the Syariah Court to amputate their limbs via consent to hudud will be just as unbelievable. There is no need to suspend Hudud but Hudud can be only applied on a case by case consensual Muslim basis, hudud however cannot be roundly applied on non-consenting Muslims in Malaysia as per the UN Human Rights Charter. Perhaps PAS is a part if the hegelian dialectic and cynical political control system the 99% just don’t need. There are fines and common sense punishment or jail terms in lieu of Hudud’s extremes, and now PAS wants hudud for all consenting or non-consenting Muslims regardless of choice and with RPK egging PAS on? Bad politics and invasive of personal freedoms. How could an ‘educated’ person like RPK keep at this b.s. promotion of hudud? We do not even have :
1) Freedom from Apartheid/Fascism (Article 1 Human Rights Charter)
2) Freedom from Religious-Persecution/Religious-Supremacy. (Article 18 Human Rights Charter)
3) Equality for all ethnicities and faiths in all aspects of policy, Law and Constitution. (Surah An Nisa 4:75)
; and now Hudud is to be implemented?!? 3rd World Malaysia makes ‘Orang Utans’ look civilised! Even animals do not maim each other in this manner!
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