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16 Articles From Around the World : Bad Judgment Continues Enriching ‘Prison-BuildingContractor/PrisonSupplier Complex’, Enriching ‘Prison-BuildingContractor/Supplier Complex’ the Way For Enemies of England to Destroy England, Sexing Up F&B, Plutocrat Madonna of Amerikant Falls Short of Capacity, USA Overeaches, India’s Reculturalisation (3 Articles), Cainbot to the Rescue of Detriot, Code of Conduct For Soldiers on R&R, Hi-Rise Low Income Housing Worthless/Unliveable/Cost Too Much, Putin’s Tiny Bit of Democracy, Russia’s State Duma Upgrades Laws Against Money Laundering and Bribery (but not very well), More Propaganda and cancer-toting NLPs from RPK, NEVER VOTE for Plutocracy and Wannabe Plutocracy in Politics (Read : Will turncoat for 25 million or so greedy to ask 750K from taxpayer monies), How the Evil System Might Work And Why Uniform Groups Need to Be Neutral to the Point of Not Voting – reposted by AgreeToDisagree – 10th August 2012

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ARTICLE 1

‘I can’t abide this’: Judge blasts sentencing rules as he jails pair who crippled woman in high speed car crash for just 18 months – By Emily Allen PUBLISHED: 12:32 GMT, 9 August 2012 | UPDATED: 15:32 GMT, 9 August 2012

Jason Young and Tyrell O’Donnell stole a car and fled police in a 100mph chase across two counties
They smashed into Jackie Stretton’s car, breaking her back and leaving her fighting for her life
Judge Rodger Hayward-Smith is bound by strict sentencing guidelines laid down by the government
He told court: ‘It is awful. I am stuck with it because of what the law says and I can’t abide it’

Frustration: Judge Hawyard-Smith stunned Chelmsford Crown Court, Essex, when he said the pair deserved much longer behind bars

A judge has launched a stinging attack on the justice system after he was powerless to hand longer sentences to two men who left a young woman crippled in an horrific car crash as they fled from police.

Judge Rodger Hayward-Smith QC, had to sentence prolific offenders Jason Young, 21, and Tyrell O’Donnell, 20, to less than 18 months after they stole a car and fled police in a 100mph chase across two counties, which ended when their Fiat Stilo smashed into Jackie Stretton’s car leaving her severely injured.

Judge Hawyard-Smith, who is bound by strict sentencing guidelines laid down by the government, handed the maximum possible sentences of two years each for aggravated vehicle taking but both terms were automatically reduced by a third due to the men’s guilty pleas.

However, he stunned Chelmsford Crown Court, Essex when he said the pair deserved much longer behind bars.

He said: ‘You will get out of prison and will get your life back but Jackie Stretton will never get over this, physically or mentally.

‘It is absurd – if I just pass sentence and allow credit for your guilty pleas, because I have to – it will not be enough.

‘It is awful. I am stuck with it because of what the law says, and I can’t abide it.

‘Jackie Stretton has suffered a very great deal and both defendants are in their twenties with appalling previous records.

‘You deserve, both of you, to go to prison for a very long time and I greatly regret that I am restricted in what sentence I can give you because of what Parliament has decided.

‘You say you are sorry and I hope that you are because the sentence I have passed is nothing like enough.’

Jail: Jason Young, 21, left, and Tyrell O’Donnell, 20, right, were sentenced to less than 18 months after they stole a car and fled police in a 100mph chase across two counties then crashed into Jackie Stretton’s car

Crash scene: The reckless high-speed chase ended when the pair lost control of the Fiat Stilo and smashed into Jackie Stretton’s VW Beetle leaving her severely injured and clinging to life

Miss Stretton, 25, of Maldon, Essex, suffered ‘appalling injuries’ as she broke her back and suffered bleeding to her brain in the crash and was left clinging to life in hospital.

Her kneecap was also broken and she was airlifted to Queen’s Hospital, Romford, and placed in a drug-induced coma.

Injured: Jackie Stretton suffered ‘appalling injuries’ as she broke her back and suffered bleeding to her brain in the crash

She had completed charity marathons and coast-to-coast adventure races, but will never make a full recovery from the injuries she suffered in the crash in April and she now walks with the aid of a back brace.

Young and O’Donnell, both from Devon, were both sentenced after they admitted charges of aggravated vehicle taking.

The court heard that O’Donnell was arrested at the scene but Young fled and did not turn himself in to police until five days later.

Law graduate Miss Stretton looked on in tears as the two men were sentenced – 18 months for the driver of the stolen car O’Donnell, and 16 months for his passenger Young.

The pair – who both have a long string of motoring offences – were banned from the roads for five years.

Miss Stretton is no longer able to drive, so had to catch the bus from her home to be at court to witness the men who ruined her life being sentenced.

She said: ‘I just feel so relieved that it is over but my life has changed and I won’t get that back.

‘I have been told that I may need my kneecap replaced when I reach 50 and I won’t ever get compensated for that.

‘I love my sports but I have not been able to compete and it has also affected my relationships with people because I have changed since it happened.’

Miss Stretton welcomed the men’s ban from the roads.

She added: ‘I am really happy that they have been disqualified from driving for five years – that is the bit that is hopefully going to make a difference.

‘They have so many previous driving offences – their records went on for pages.’

Richard Stevens, prosecuting, had told the court the men had stolen the Fiat from a caravan park in Suffolk at 5.30am on April 5.
Chelmsford Crown Court

Court: Miss Stretton told Chelmsford Crown Court, pictured, that she is no longer able to drive, so caught the bus from her home to be at court to witness the men who ruined her life being sentenced

The pair headed towards London at incredibly fast speeds – often over 100mph – and at one stage going 80mph in a 30mph residential area.

The car was seen cutting between lanes on the A12 as police followed them.

They finally lost control on a right-hand bend causing a massive crash involving Miss Stretton’s car, a police car and a Porsche on the A414 at Danbury.

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Sentence Jason Young and Tyrell O’Donnell to 18 months (times 3 to simulate 24 hours in prison) in  a care home for traffic injuries instead. Jailing costs money to the taxpayers and enriches the ‘Prison-BuildingContractor-Supplier Complex’ while unpaid work with injury victims (under the watchful eye and instruction of some chain gang overseers nurses or such, could teach empathy instead, with minimal food allowances and no lodging expenses (Jason and Tyrell can sleep at their homes as usual to save money). Bad judgment! Meaningless, does not address the prisoner’s angst/pathos and costly to the taxpayer!

ARTICLE 2

School caretaker, 51, who drilled holes above a shower cubicle to spy on naked girls is jailed for six months – by Emma Reynolds – PUBLISHED: 10:36 GMT, 7 August 2012 | UPDATED: 10:53 GMT, 7 August 2012

Guilty: Nigel French was today sentenced to six months in jail for drilling a peephole in the floor above a girls’ shower room

A school caretaker who drilled holes above a changing room to spy on naked girls showering was jailed for six months today.

Nigel French, 51, secretly watched the girls through a peephole after their swimming lessons at a South Wales secondary school.

The married father of two, who claimed he was looking for bats in the upstairs storage room, was found guilty of attempted voyeurism.

French was caught when the deputy headmaster spotted his feet poking out from under a stack of gym mats.

A ceiling tile had been moved to give a ‘better view’ into the cubicle.

Merthyr Crown Court heard French, a caretaker at the school for 21 years, was often seen hanging around the viewing gallery next to the pool.

An investigation discovered eight more holes over the boys’ changing rooms, which had previous years been for the girls.

Prosecutor Suzanne Thomas said: ‘It was likely the holes above the boys changing room were done some years ago.’

French claimed he was lying on the mats waiting for a class to finish before cleaning the pool Pen y Dre High School in Merthyr Tydfil.

In police interview he said: ‘My only offence could be skiving. I went up to the viewing gallery and I laid down facing forward, looking at the side of the pool, waiting for the lesson to finish.

‘I wasn’t spying on pupils in the pool because that would be wrong.’

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The caretaker at first claimed he was looking for bats above the changing rooms.

Three bats had been found dead in the swimming pool area over the past three years.

None had ever been found in the viewing gallery, however, and there was no evidence of bats nesting in the school.
Pen y Dre

Breach of trust: The married father of two and former Scout leader had worked at Pen y Dre High School (pictured) for 21 years

French, of Merthyr Tydfil, will have to register as a sex offender for seven years.

The former Scout leader and regular churchgoer was banned from ever working with children.

Judge Richard Twomlow said: ‘There were girls in the changing room and, although it is not clear whether you saw anybody, that was your intention.

‘The only way you were able to see into the cubicle was because a ceiling tile had been removed.

‘As the caretaker, you inspected that changing room every day and the only conclusion I can make is that it was you, in all likelihood, who removed the ceiling tile.

‘Whoever drilled those holes, this was a very serious breach of trust.

‘No girl who went into that changing room will know whether they were spied on or not. You have demonstrated no remorse.’

Here’s what other readers have said. Why not add your thoughts, or debate this issue live on our message boards.

Sorry but this is not enough – he violated the privacy of lots of vulnerable underage girls in an educational setting and this is all he gets? This does not send out a strong enough message. They guy will prob only serve 2 or 3 months and in seven years it will be as if he’d never done anything. He abused a position of trust and he left all those girls wondering whether he was perving over them. He needs a proper hefty sentence which is heavier because of his repeated denial. Yet the sentencing guidelines state that a non-custodial order is all that is required for this offence – so in that context 6 months is prob all the judge could give. Now how is that right? This type of offence could be a precursor to more serious offences and it should therefore be a point of intervention.It basically says spying on naked underage girls is okay. Yet if he made an image then 2 years min in jail. ie spy on them live because the penalty is lower – now is that right?

– TC, Notts, 07/8/2012 15:04

Sick sick man. Just can’t trust your kids around anyone these days!

– just me…, Melbourne, Australia, 07/8/2012 14:35

PERVERT should never be allowed near children again. They should make sur he never has another opportunity and everyone should remeber his face.

– Bird, US, 07/8/2012 14:33

And yet a man who grew some cannabis for his own use in his own home was given 5 years! Who, out of the two, poses the greatest threat to the general public? This old pervert should have been jailed for a lot longer, he has probably been looking at the girls changing for years, if my daughter had attended that school I would be going absolutely crazy with anger.

– HippyChic2, Here and there, mainly here, 07/8/2012 13:55

Should have got longer!!!

– nigem8t, Australia, 07/8/2012 13:51

6 months?!!!

– jane, Darlington, 07/8/2012 13:48

Another sad individual

– Mrs Woody, York, 07/8/2012 13:27

And we keep these people for society for what reason?

– Robert M, Cambridgeshire, 07/8/2012 12:56

All paedophiles should be sentenced to the Death Penalty!!!!!

– Laura, London, 07/8/2012 12:56

scum i hope he rots

– Penzz, Coventry, 07/8/2012 12:56

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See this link :

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2184843/Caretaker-Nigel-French-51-drilled-holes-shower-cubicle-spy-naked-schoolgirls-jailed.html

The cost to the prison system should according to another article be 20K sterling for 6 months. A caretaker would barely earn the same for 2 years. Which taxpayers want to pay for this? Well those who hate England and want free meal and lodging, do you know how to destroy England now? Peep at some pasty skinned barely matured teens, leave some kiddie porn on a laptop to be intentionally discovered, smash some property in front of the police, hit someone hated and make sure a record or report is made, and England will be backrupt and all the courts clogged up with backlogged cases in no time. At 40K a year, only 1 million offences by ‘hoodlums’ are needed to do another 40 billlion sterling in damage or if we are talking 10 year prison sentence offences 400 billion sterling and collateral insurance damages of 1.2 trillion (assuming damage is 60K sterling worth).

So who’s up to teaching England’s legislators and MPs a lesson, or making a statement loud and clear to the taxpayers on who not to vote? No amount of industry sector earnings can counter the damage system in place to enrich the ‘Prison Supplier-Contractor Complex’. Some of us don’t like destroying the lives of others but since this is what has been given by society, heres returning the favour! Chavs and hoodies, ready to start the ‘War of Independence in England’? Start with the prison system . . . then target the Education-Debt-Financiar Complex (those who are locked out of the jobs market for your politics or what not, teach them what 1 single person can do that will cause 10 free educations for that single free education they refused to GIVE or make tertiary education free with to intentionally indebt young people into debt slavery . . . lets make this square whole!

Disclaimer : This was written with much sarcasm and applies to those who have been sabotaged by society or intentionally bled by unreasonable policies, laws or fines, the ability to differentiate or create reality I leave to the readers . . .

ARTICLE 3

Naked ambition: Diners pay $500 to eat sushi off NUDE MODELS at Florida restaurant – by Daily Mail Reporter – PUBLISHED: 22:27 GMT, 6 August 2012 | UPDATED: 12:08 GMT, 7 August 2012

Nakie nakie . . .

Who needs plates when you have a naked model to eat off?

One controversial Miami restaurant is saving on washing up by giving diners the chance to eat sushi directly off the bare bodies of good looking men and women – but you have to pay a whopping $500 for the privilege.

Customers can order up to six feet of sushi and sashimi at the Catalina Hotel & Beach Club’s Kung Fu Kitchen and Sushi – enough to feed 15 hungry diners – and the Japanese cuisine comes strategically placed along the length of the model’s body.

Controversial: One Miami restaurant is giving diners the chance to eat sushi directly off the bare bodies of models, pictured

‘You basically get to dine off a naked human body,’ the restaurant’s owner, Nathan Lieberman, told Local 10 News. ‘It’s mostly for groups, parties, bachelor parties, bachelorette parties, birthday parties.

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‘You call in advance or pop in and hopefully we have someone that wants to take their clothes off and lie on a table.’

Diners use their chopsticks to eat directly off the ‘human platter’. They can nibble nori rolls off nipples if they choose, in the controversial deal that is being offered until September 30, during Miami’s restaurant month.

Staff: The restaurant’s waiters volunteered to take their clothes off for extra cash

Hygiene: Eating food directly off models was banned in China

The sushi joint has had three naked sushi parties so far, ABC reported.

And Lieberman hasn’t even had to fork out for real models.

‘I have a very good-looking staff,’ he told the TV station. ‘They said, ‘We want the money, and we like to be naked.”

When a bachelorette party requested a male model, they used one of their sushi chefs, ‘a real stud,’ Lieberman said.

The practice of serving food off naked bodies was banned in China in 2005.
Limited time: Catalina Hotel & Beach Club’s Kung Fu Kitchen and Sushi restaurant in Miami, pictured, is offering the special deal until September 30

Great idea?: The bizarre culinary experience was the brainchild of restaurant owner Nathan Lieberman, pictured

But Florida’s Department of Business and Professional Regulation hasn’t got a problem with it as long as the restaurant is being hygienic.

‘Generally speaking, as long as the restaurant is adhering to FDA rules regarding no bare skin contact, it should be in compliance,’ spokesman Sandi Poreda told ABC.

Lieberman said the models are scrubbed ‘like surgeons’ before being decorated.

They have leaves and lettuce covering their private parts and their nipples are covered in plastic – as well as wasabi.

Will that be a C, D, E, or F cup model with your meal? Look up ‘Wakame Sake’ . . . How about ‘Sake Waterboarding’ for tips?

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The outlet looks quite drab . . . $500? This laziest of jobs is only worth minimum wage multiplied by the number of people eating. Twice as much minimum with a (i) drunk (ii) stoned (take your choice of organic and lead time for the effects to kick in) or (iii) popper/viagra ‘prepped’ model as well instead. At the end of every work shift, most of us would still think they are getting paid for doing nothing. Beauty is the key here (no turning of stomach’s chance), though this niche based (novelty, adult themed, stag or hen parties etc.) on aesthetics is probably best a second job or third job. Perhaps a cosplay element with lingerie or some fetish wear as well? Will give new meaning to the accolade ‘dish’ a new spin. Don’t even  get into ‘Guro’, No Chianti and Fava with Liver at this outlet . . .

ARTICLE 4

That’s strange exercise gear: Madonna shows off toned thighs in tiny dress and leather boots as she opens new gymnasium – by J J Anisiobi – PUBLISHED: 20:35 GMT, 6 August 2012 | UPDATED: 22:17 GMT, 6 August 2012

As a fitness fanatic it is no surprise that Madonna has decided to open up a gymnasium but, she chose some bizarre clothes for the event.

The Like A Prayer singer took time out of her busy world tour schedule to open a Hard Candy fitness club in Moscow, Russia, today.

She may be fighting fit and in peak condition but the 53-year-old was in serious danger of dressing younger than a woman her age should.

She works out! Madonna opted for a strange choice of clothing to officially open her Hard Candy Fitness gym in Moscow, Russia, today

Madonna showed off her toned thighs in a very short black dress that featured lace chest and arms which also revealed her bra.

She accessorised the outfit with a pair of knee-high leather boots, fingerless gloves and some netted stockings.

She said: ‘Exercise is a really big part of my life, everybody knows that. I work out, I’ve been working out all my life dancing, training for my shows.

‘My live shows are extremely physical and if I don’t stay in shape I can’t do them.

‘Rather than going to gyms and complaining about what I don’t like about them I just decided to create my own and that way I can design the perfect gym.’

Witness the fitness: Although she is in great shape the outfit choice was a little revealing for a lady of her age

With her legion of loyal fans waiting outside for her she treated them to a short time of her presence as she waved to them all from the front of the gym.

The fitness club is sized at 3,500 square metres and is walking distance from the Red Square and Kremlin.

It actually opened its doors in December last year and has a contemporary design which features a group fitness studio with dance floor, swimming pool, spa and boxing ring.

Good afternoon: With her legion of loyal fans waiting outside for her she treated them to a short time of her presence

It also features an anti-gravity yoga studio which was something that Madonna was reportedly strongly behind.

The often outspoken artist also weighed in on the three feminist rockers who are currently jailed for performing a protest song against Vladimir Putin.

Speaking about the members of Pussy Riot, she said: ‘Obviously I believe in freedom of speech and I’m against censorship, so I hope that the judge is lenient with them and that they are freed soon.’

Madonna hopes members of Pussy Riot, Nadezhda Tolokonnikova, Maria Aliokhina and Yekaterina Samutsevich will be released soon

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Run for election change some laws and GTFO of congress yer over-rich smart plutocrat muso. A gym?!? Ok this is better than conical bras or a failed school project in Malawi, but at this level of wealth 0.5 Billion therabouts (twice as rich as Romney), Maddie should be going for the Presidency or at least setting up an airline with private airfields in every major city (perhaps internationally) to allow her fans to circumvent the TSA. Slacker! Don’t ‘hope’, LEAD by example.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2184848/Villagers-claim-cheated-valuable-farming-land-Madonnas-failed-Malawi-girls-school-project.html

ARTICLE 5

‘If you ever go to Paris, fly. Don’t take the tunnel’: Joan Rivers’ sick ‘advice’ for Duchess Kate prompts Princess Diana fan fury – by Leon Watson – PUBLISHED: 13:31 GMT, 6 August 2012 | UPDATED: 14:03 GMT, 6 August 2012

Joan Rivers has sparked a royal row with a sick joke about Princess Diana on U.S. television.

The comedienne advised the Duchess of Cambridge, the wife of Diana’s son Prince William: ‘If you ever want to go to Paris, fly don’t take the tunnel.’

Brits Cat Deeley, 35, and Kelly Osbourne, 27, who were guests in the studio, recoiled in shock while even the production crew gasped.

Comedian Joan Rivers has sparked a royal storm after making a jibe about Princess Diana’s death

Her spoof advice for royal Kate is a reference to how Diana died after a high-speed car chase in a tunnel in Paris in 1997.

British viewer Andrew Henry, who saw the Fashion Police Show, told the Daily Star: ‘It was tasteless to Kate and especially vicious to her husband Wills.

‘There are plenty of other subjects to make fun about in a show about fashion. But that was one step too far. Cruel, vicious and disgusting.

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‘Diana was also an icon across the globe. Her charity work was revered and her death was tragic.’

Joan, 79, made the joke during a special British episode of her prime time show.

Despite her comments, Joan is good friends with Diana’s ex-husband Prince Charles and his current wife Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall.

She said recently: ‘I stayed at the Ritz – as usual – when I went to Prince Charles’s wedding to Camilla.

‘I met him through a friend at a charity event and just adored him from the start. I adore Camilla too.

‘Humour was the connection from the beginning. I don’t pretend to be on the short list, though, if you know what I’m saying.

‘I probably see them twice a year.’

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Faux genteel mob mindedness here? Unless wrongly reading Joan, the reverse sarcasm thrown at William and Kate taken so literally shows how stupid Di’s fans are. Joan is taking a quiet shot (at who can’t really say from here the tone of voice, Joan’s mood etc. would determine) on Di’s behalf if anything. Joan’s with Di yer stupidos! Tell moi if this was read wrongly!

ARTICLE 6

US wrong on China: Keating – PUBLISHED: 06 Aug 2012 14:31:00 | UPDATED: 07 Aug 2012 00:01:15 – Greg Earl (Asia-Pacific editor)

Paul Keating urged Australia and the US to recognise the legitimacy of China as a great power in his speech on Monday. Photo: Louie Douvis

Former prime minister Paul Keating has broken with the Rudd-Gillard governments’ close alignment with the US to criticise President Barack Obama’s approach to the relationship with China.

In a speech at the Lowy Institute in Sydney, Mr Keating warned that history showed the US could not expect to win another war on the Asian mainland and should focus more on strategic co-operation with China.

“I have long held the view that the future of Asian stability cannot be cast by a non-Asian power – ­especially by the application of US ­military force,” he said.

He strongly rejected the idea that Australia had no choice but to back US rivalry against a rising China, and declared the US and Australia needed to recognise the legitimacy of the current Chinese government and its prerogatives as a great power.

The speech underlines divisions within both sides of federal politics about how to manage growing tensions between the US and China, particularly as business interests place more weight on relations with fast-growing China over Australia’s traditional security alliance with the US.

It follows the Coalition’s efforts to paper over differences about how to manage investment by Chinese state-owned companies which has seen the National Farmers Federation at odds with some rural backbenchers.

Mr Keating spoke at the launch of The China Choice, a book by strategic analyst Hugh White, which says that the US should share power with China and relinquish its leadership role in Asia to avoid conflict with China.

Mr Keating strongly endorsed ­Professor White’s argument, which has been criticised by other analysts for undermining the value of ­Australia’s long-standing US alliance and caving into pressure from non-democratic China.

Mr Keating would not comment on his apparent difference with the pro-US tilt pursued by prime ministers Kevin Rudd and Julia Gillard.

The speech is likely to further undermine the persistent efforts by the current government to position itself as the inheritor of the Hawke-Keating mantle on foreign relations.

“When we Australians were running around North Asia in the early 1990s setting up APEC [Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation] and the APEC Leaders’ Meeting, we were doing it not to become foreign policy busybodies – we were doing it because we saw it all coming,” Mr Keating said in what appeared to be an implied criticism of his successors and the US.

“Why it took the United States until 2011 to make the so-called ‘pivot’ back to Asia; to acknowledge the centrality of Asia in the new strategic settings, is a matter of wonderment.”

He said the globalisation of countries had run ahead of the globalisation of strategy and the US had missed its chance to help shape a new world order around the rise of major developing countries and now faced a long hard slog to adjust.

Mr Keating underlined his different approach to the current government with his sharp criticism of President Obama’s speech to federal Parliament last November in which he reinforced the new US pivot to Asia with the rotation of marines through Darwin for training.

“Even President Obama told us during his visit to our Parliament, that ‘prosperity without freedom is just another form of poverty’,” he said. “That remark placed a heavy discount on the success of the Chinese Communist Party in dragging its community from abject poverty.

“The seemingly perpetual invocation of this human rights mantra attributes no moral value to the scale and quality of the Chinese achievement,” Mr Keating said, in a contrast to the way Mr Rudd’s relationship with the Chinese leadership appeared to wane after he criticised China’s human rights record.

He said Australians should reject the argument that they had no choice over future conflict between the US and China and push both countries towards a more co-operative structure.

“From Australia’s position, a choice is what we do not need – and in a co-operative structure, there would be less need to make one,” he said.

“This is why there is every reason to try to face America up to its changed economic and strategic circumstances, rather than traffic in the pretence that the rise of a state potentially larger than itself will have little strategic consequence for either it or for us.

“I have long held the view that the future of Asian stability cannot be cast by a non-Asian power – especially by the application of US military force.”

He said the American failure in the Vietnam, Korean, Afghanistan and Iraq wars showed the US could not win a war on mainland Asia and should not adopt a policy which could lead to military confrontation with China.

As the China-US rivalry starts to play out within both sides of federal politics, Foreign Minister Bob Carr appears to be emphasising broader links to China after the difficulties during the Rudd government.

Former opposition leader Malcolm Turnbull has led a push in the opposition to accommodate a rising China.

The Australian Financial Review

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Vietnam war took 30 years WITHOUT the Middle East mess in the backgound, and US still lost. So if China actually makes the Vietnamese (which beat the USA in effect) feel nervous (currently Vietnam and China are too economically linked so no likelihood of war), how can US want to take on China WHILE the Middle East mess is not yet finished? Is USA ready for a 300 year fight with ’10 times the size of Vietnam’ China even as the Middle East Mess could take 30 years more to resolve?

USA is stuck in the Middle East for another 30 years at least unless they develop satellite mind control or do ‘something dramatic’, short of carpet bombing everything with non-nuke options in the Middle East. Does USA really need to control the whole world? Don’t forget this is JUST China, Russia is the chess Queen that has not made a move with perhaps North Korea, which is certainly no pawn . . . Keating is making sense here. And the next move will be who gets control of Syria (a pawn possibly out of necessity), NOT how to take out China when even Vietnam would still probably be too much for USA today if USA wanted to conquer Vietnam a second time!

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Convocation robe a British legacy, must be scrapped: Kalam

Former President of India A P J Abdul Kalam, while delivering the convocation address of Babasaheb Bhimrao Ambedkar University on Friday, described the convocation robe a British relic.

Earlier this year, Environment minister Jairam Ramesh had refused to wear the convocation robe during a ceremony and had called it a part of British relic. Later in the year, Tripura Chief Minister Manik Sarkar had refused to put on the convocation gown at another ceremony.

Though Kalam did not do a Jairam or a Sarkar, and wore the robe during the ceremony, he suggested the convocation robe should be done away with.

“The gown should go. It is British gown. We must have a simple Indian dress instead — an Angavastram or a Lucknow dress, maybe, which is lighter and suitable for all seasons,” said Kalam.

Introducing the concept of Provision of Urban Amenities in Rural Areas (PURA) to the students, Kalam encouraged the students of the university to start the project. “ This will provide a hands-on experience to the students in taking up societal missions,” said Kalam.

Before this, Chancellor of the university, Professor U R Rao declared the convocation open. A total of 31 Ph D scholars and 373 post graduate students were given their respective degree certificates at the convocation held for 2007-09 and 2008-10 batches.

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/convocation-robe-a-british-legacy-must-be-s/694765/

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Truly pride of culture here. Now think ‘Sunday Best’ and ‘Formal Wear’ and get those Indian equivalents into society as well. Suggest that all ‘big shot’ Indians begin the trend to lead the way in reculturisation of India . . .

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Indian minister calls convocation robes ‘medieval, barbaric’ – Sat, 03 Apr 2010 15:15

NEW DELHI: A minister, known for his radical views, stoked up another controversy at a graduation ceremony today, when he chucked away his convocation robes which he described as “medieval and barbaric”.

Environment Minister Jairam Ramesh, chief guest at the Indian Institute of Forest Management Seventh convocation, stunned guests and students, when he removed the colourful flowing maroon robes draped on him, while at the rostrum to deliver his speech.

“I still have not been able to figure out after 60 years of independence why we stick to these barbaric colonial relics.

“Why cannot we have a convocation in simple dress, instead of coming dressed up as medieval vicars and popes. This practice started in 13th century Oxford,” he said, evoking applause from the students.

Further ridiculing the colonial practice, Ramesh, who was at the centre of a controversy over the genetically-modifed brinjal debate in India recently, suggested that students come in normal dress for convocation ceremonies.

“You can come to a convocation in shirt and trousers. Why the robes, and the hat which is worn, only to be thrown in the air, at the end of the ceremony?” he was quoted as saying, by the Times of India.

The 55-year-old Congress minister eventually delivered his speech at the ceremony, in Bhopal, Madhya Pradesh, wearing the popular Indian “kurta”, his trademark attire.

– Bernama

http://archive.freemalaysiatoday.com/fmt-english/world/world-news/4155-indian-minister-calls-convocation-robes-medieval-barbaric

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Lets have India revive a Constitutional Monarchy with representative powers made up of a Ruler’s Collective of extant Maharajas. Then have the media tabloids focus on Indian culture and Indian society or Indian religion, instead of what the white monarchs are doing.

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Manik Sarkar again refuses to don convocation robe – IANS India Private LimitedBy Indo Asian News Service | IANS India Private Limited – Thu, Jan 12, 2012 2:01 PM MYT

Agartala, Jan 12 (IANS) Throwing protocol to the winds for the second time, Tripura Chief Minister Manik Sarkar Thursday refused to wear the regulation gown at the Tripura University convocation.

‘The chief minister refused to put on the convocation gown. We can’t force him to wear it,’ a university official told reporters.

Sarkar, along with Vice President Hamid Ansari, Bangladesh Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina, Tripura Governor D.Y. Patil, Union Human Resource Development Minister Kapil Sibal, university chancellor Amiya Kumar Bagchi, vice chancellor Arunoday Saha, and other dignitaries took part in the ceremonial academic procession before the 9th convocation of the Tripura central university.

While Sarkar sported a kurta-pajama all the others wore the convocation gown.

Sarkar, 63, who has been the chief minister of Tripura since 1998, refused to comment on the issue.

In September 2010 also, the Communist Party of India-Marxist politburo member turned down the university’s request to wear the regulation robe during its 8th convocation.

In April 2010, union minister Jairam Ramesh, while attending the convocation of the Indian Institute of Forest Management in Bhopal had also refused to wear the convocation gown.

‘I still have not been able to figure out after more than six decades of India’s independence that why we stick to these barbaric colonial relics,’ Ramesh had said.

http://my.entertainment.yahoo.com/news/manik-sarkar-again-refuses-don-convocation-robe-060155054.html

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A Chief Minister to be proud of, unlike other parallels in oppressed/fundo countries who shamelessly pretend that apartheid does not exist and instead ask for 750K funerals before on the back of tax payer monies BEFORE ending apartheid first (not that asking for funeral funds is even thinkable . . . ). The UN and Islam do not accept apartheid! Would CM Malik communicate this to the unthinking idiots with equally high posts here in Malaysia?

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Abandoned Motor City is turning into a dump – literally – Published: 03 August, 2012, 08:37

A stuffed animal on the ground at the Packard Automotive Plant a former car manufacturing factory in Detroit, Michigan (AFP Photo / Getty Images)

With hundreds of thousands having fled Detroit in the last decade alone, the city is turning into a deserted dumping ground for murder victims. And with its budget choked, the Motor City has had to cut back on its police force to boot.

­A report published Thursday by the Associated Press tells of two bodies decomposing in an empty Detroit lot littered with tires and furniture. The teenage boys had been stripped to their underwear, shot, and then left to rot on one of the city’s many abandoned, formerly residential blocks.

They were only the latest in a string of murder victims whose remains lay for days before being discovered. Detroit has become a kind of agglomeration of rural patches contained inside an urban area, where what were once neighborhoods have turned into overgrown fields.

Outsiders – and police – are unlikely to visit the inner wasteland of what some Americans now call the Murder City.

The situation is a result of nearly fifty years of decay, after white residents started making their way to the suburbs in the 1950s. And after a vicious race riot in 1967, their mass relocation picked up in earnest.

Over the next two decades, the city’s black middle class followed, and blocks – sometimes neighborhoods – of empty houses and overgrown lawns are all that remain today.

Tens of thousands of the city’s homes have been falling apart over the years – some collapsing, while others have been demolished.

And now, the deserted parts of town are quickly turning into dumping grounds for bodies – at a rate of about one corpse found every month for the last year. And those are only counting the victims authorities know of.

Seventy-four-year-old Ella Dunn lives about a hundred meters from where 17-year-old Jacob Kudla and 18-year-old Jourdan Bobbish’s bodies were found by a passerby on July 27; they had disappeared in Detroit five days earlier.

Dunn’s is the closest inhabited house from the scene of the crime, as she’s watched nearly all her neighbors leave over the last 24 years.

Today, the neighborhood is used mostly for dumping trash – and whatever else those passing through need to get rid of. A toilet, various furniture items, and several boats can be seen in a nearby parking lot.

“They drive down and push stuff out,” Dunn told AP.

Earlier in July, two decapitated bodies were pulled out of the Detroit River and a canal nearby. City officials say they were shot and dismembered in suburban Allen Park, then brought to a deserted park in Detroit and dropped in the water.

In December, the corpses of two women were found in a car left near an abandoned house. A week later, the charred remains of two other women were discovered in the trunk of another car. Police say all of them were murdered elsewhere, then brought to Detroit for disposal.
In search of solutions – and funding

Right now, there isn’t much the city can do about it. Detroit lacks the money to level its staggering 30,000-plus abandoned houses, and has had to cut the police force’s pay in recent years.

Mayor Dave Bing is pushing a proposal that would use federal dollars to demolish as many of the houses as possible, with the State of Michigan pitching in as well.

And with law enforcement scrambling to keep track of crime, Bing has some unexpected help.

“The city has an annual tradition of burning homes on October 30th in an event called Devil’s Night. The city is so desperate that it can’t keep up with all the arsons,” Nathan Manire, a New York-based artist from Detroit, told RT.

In another possibility, the local government could buy up properties in mostly-deserted neighborhoods, leveling whole blocks in hopes of renewal sometime down the road. But, Dunn says, “I couldn’t move if I wanted to. They don’t want to give you any money for your house.” Dunn’s is one of only three occupied houses in her entire neighborhood.

Bing will need the government’s help if his plan is to succeed. With about 250,000 people having left Detroit since 2000, a city built for 2 million now houses a little more than 700,000 people. One of the results of that is that tax revenue is down, and everyone in town is feeling the effects.

General Motors, one of the largest corporations headquartered in the city, made about $1 billion in revenue between January and March of this year – but due to its former bankrupt status, chances are it won’t have to pay taxes for years to come.
Crime is always one step ahead

­And the city clearly needs a more serious police presence – which it also can’t afford. Officers recently took a 10 per cent reduction in pay.

When officer John Garner joined the Detroit Police Department in 1999, he was only responsible for a 3.6-square-mile area, and would see another officer roughly three times over the course of any given hour. Today, he covers 22 square miles, and bumps into a colleague “maybe once every two hours,” he said.

Garner added, “if we know this, the criminals know this.”

And as cops spend their time trying to keep track of all the major offenses, residents take yet another hit.

Manire said that inner Detroit’s young people “have few options other than to turn to drugs or crime, and many set up shop on abandoned blocks and sell drugs on the corner.” And since the city’s police are spread so thin, he added, “there’s little they can do.”

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Get Kim Schmitz to set up Chaank Heavy Industries in Detriot and build the Cainborg from Robocop 2 (Irvin Kershner 1990) or Death Machine (Stephen Norrington 1994). Will most certainly bring back the work lines (just like OCP Corp’s Chairman said) and for sure lots of Drug Lords or FreeMasons would want immortality as cyborg mecha (or at least soldiers, one can imagine the indentured soldiers paying off 10 lifetimes worth as killer-borgs with brains stuck in those machines) and kickstart the ‘Braincase’ industry . . .

See response to Article 17

18 Articles : 2 Articles on Muslims – A Better Tunisia and a supposed Salafist Lobby in USA (there such a thing? are they dangerous?), Tuareg in Need of Help, Israel Subsumes Deathcamp Chic, 2 Articles on Migration, Victimising the Aggressor is not Equitable or Just, Declarations and Thoughts on Homosexuality, Disorganized India, Whatever Obamacare Levies – No Taxes OR Penalties Or Else No Votes!, Raw Deals In Raw Food Laws, How Industrialisation (Handphones Brainscanners For AI to Replace Humanity?) Will Destroy All Jobs, Introducing the Vassal Dominion of Englishstan, Romney Is **NOT** Joe Everyman, Eniment Domain And Allodial Revisited, Citizen’s Resistance Against Wealth Sequestering Corporations, Hollande As of 2012 July, Punk Subculture Trailings, 2 mini-articles on Guns and Fireworks – reposted by @AgreeToDisagree – 3rd July 2012

ARTICLE 9

US troops ‘kept dogs in the same beds as their prostitutes’

US troops who caused scandal by sleeping with prostitutes ahead of a visit to Colombia by President Barack Obama also allowed sniffer dogs to sleep in hotel beds and defecate on the premises.

US Secret Service to receive ethics training after Colombia prostitution scandal
US Secret Service and military personnel allegedly took as many as 21 women back to their hotel, ahead of Obama’s trip to Cartagena Photo: AFP/GETTY

7:00AM BST 04 Aug 2012

A partially redacted report into April’s incident released Friday by the Pentagon revealed little that was not already known about how 12 soldiers, airmen, marines and sailors had taken prostitutes to their hotel rooms.

The team was in place as part of the security detail for Mr Obama’s visit to the Summit of the Americas in Cartagena, Colombia, and their behaviour came to light after nine civilian US Secret Service officers were caught for the same offence.

The report concluded that, while servicemen had breached US military law by consorting with sex workers and in some cases by committing adultery, and had shown bad discipline by drinking, they had not endangered national security.
According to the report, the Cartagena hotel where they were staying, El Caribe, allowed guests to entertain overnight guests – “commonly a prostitute” – and that no Colombian laws appeared to have been broken.

But investigators did receive complaints from local witnesses about the general behavior of the US personnel, including that the dozen suspects had kept “overnight guests” in their rooms after 6am in breach of hotel rules.

“Explosive detection dog handlers were allowing their animals to sleep in hotel beds, soil the linens and urinate and defecate in inappropriate locations on the hotel grounds, leaving the waste,” the report added.

“Unidentified hotel guests, thought to be American, were bothering and propositioning college-age female greeters working at El Caribe with the Colombian Ministry of Foreign Affairs,” it noted.

April’s scandal was embarrassing to the Obama administration and led to allegations that the servicemen and agents might have compromised national security or the President’s safety by consorting with Colombian women.

The report, however, concluded there was no evidence that the women had ties to criminal drug-smuggling groups or terrorist movements, nor were they victims of human trafficking networks.

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The report concluded that, while servicemen had breached US military law by consorting with sex workers and in some cases by committing adultery

This military law does not make sense. Maybe for department heads and officers but not the rank and file. At most all rank and file who are married could be also be disallowed, but this draconian application could have impact on their performance ESPECIALLY if they are not getting along well with spouses back home. Adultery of course has social implications and could destroy familial relations, spoil visiting military repute, so soldiers/sailors should be required to make sure or otherwise stick to prostitutes only.

ARTICLE 10

Policy flaws make low-income housing unpopular – Updated: 2012-08-04 10:38 – ( Xinhua)

ZHENGZHOU – At a time when China’s housing prices are beyond the reach of most prospective homeowners, low-income housing has not received the warm welcome authorities expected..

The audit office of Henan province recently said that over half of the low-rent houses in the province’s six cities remain empty.

The six cities have built 16,000 low-rent housing units, 8,215 of which are empty, or 51.3 percent of the total.

The provincial capital of Zhengzhou began receiving applications for 1,551 public rental housing units last December but has received only 362 applications, according to the local government.

In recent years, central and local governments have been investing in low-income housing to satisfy the needs of low-income families.

The government has vowed to build 36 million affordable housing units during the 2011-2015 period. In 2011, it started construction on 10 million units.

However, supplies of low-income housing seem to have surpassed demand in many places around the country, including the provinces of Guangdong, Hubei and Hebei.

Henan government officials said the unpopularity of low-income housing can be attributed to a lack of supporting facilities and their remote locations.

The Zhujiangrongjing residential area is one of the most unpopular low-income housing complexes in Zhengzhou. The houses are located on the outskirts of the city and residents have to rely on primary schools and clinics in two nearby villages, since there is little transportation linking the residential area with downtown Zhengzhou.

In the Shangdonghuayuan residential area, another low-income housing complex in Zhengzhou, residents said there is only one bus line near the residential area, adding that the neighborhood is noisy and dirty due to the close proximity of construction sites.

Experts said some local governments chose to build the low-income housing in remote areas and sell more appealing locations to real estate developers to boost fiscal revenues.

Zhao Jinjing, vice president of a real estate business association in Henan, said low-income housing built by property developers has been more popular than that built by the government, as the developers build housing according to market needs.

“Therefore, the government should consider marketizing the low-income housing project and adopting some preferential policies, such as reducing taxes, to encourage developers to build more low-income houses,” Zhao said.

The provincial audit office of Henan said there are flaws in the distribution of low-income housing, as some people fabricate credentials in order to qualify for buying or renting the properties.

Experts said the government should make greater efforts to assess local residents’ incomes and current housing conditions before building and distributing low-income housing.

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The poor condition of public housing should be 3 units JOINED to be worth the current price. Also a single unit could be used for free and not cost anything, for China to be truly humane and socialist. Everyone deserves a home in China, for better conditions though they should be required to work towards that. China has enough wealth to give these ‘worst’ units to those who do not have homes, at least for free. Wealth distribution is socialist in nature and rubbish apartments are not worthwhile investments in many ways.

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Putin asks for court to show leniency in Pussy Riot trial – by the CNN Wire Staff – August 3, 2012 — Updated 1240 GMT (2040 HKT)

Putin asks that band members not be judged “too harshly” for political performance
The band members went on trial this week on hooliganism charges
“Mother Mary please drive Putin away,” the band screamed inside Christ Savior Cathedral

(CNN) — Russian President Vladimir Putin is asking a court to show leniency for three members of the punk rock band Pussy Riot, who are on trial in Moscow on hooliganism charges.

The Pussy Riot members went on trial Monday, charged after performing a song criticizing Putin in one of Moscow’s grandest cathedrals, Russia’s state news agency reported. The charge carries a potential seven-year sentence.

“Mother Mary please drive Putin away,” the women screamed, their faces covered in neon masks, inside Christ Savior Cathedral in February.
Husband of jailed Pussy Riot band member Female punk band mocks Putin, is jailed

Political crackdown in Russia

While Putin criticized their performance, he said Thursday, “Still, I do not think they should be judged too harshly for that,” RIA Novosti reported. He added that he hoped the court makes “the right decision.”

Pussy Riot specializes in sudden, often illegal public performances, including one in Moscow’s Red Square.

The punk prayer was inspired by the women’s anger about the relationship between the Russian government and the Orthodox Church, according to the band’s manager, who is married to one of the suspects.

The Orthodox Church Pope, Patriarch Kyril has been widely reported as saying Putin’s years in power have been a miracle from God.

The band’s behavior in one of Russia’s most sacred cathedrals has outraged many of the country’s faithful.

“This is a disgusting thing to do,” one woman told CNN.

“They should go to jail,” said another. “A year or two. Let them think about their behavior.”

But even some of those who were offended believe the women should not be in jail.

“If necessary, God will punish them,” one man said. “It must be not be cruel punishment.”

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“Mother Mary please drive Putin away,” the band screamed inside Christ Savior Cathedral does not carry weight in the Duma. Just ignore, no need to even censor. And ‘Mary’ being so ‘motherly and virtuous’ to give birth to a Jesus should talk to Lady Liberty about 2 term limits but nothing else. Pussy Riot makes Russia fun and democratic, youth spirit if anything to blunt that image of icy terrains, fur hat clad soldiers and peasants huddled in ‘X’mas card like log hovels’ with their vodka and livestock . . . . Maybe these girls should get into politics eventually . . . or set up a Church similar structure to perform naked every night . . .

Nice one Putin . . . thats right! Leave the Judiciary much less the President of Russia or Orthodox Pope (there are 3.5 Popes at the moment btw – Catholic, Greek Orthodox and Russian Orthodox, with a 4th ‘Pope’ the Anglican Head Church also the King of England, USA has no Protestant ‘Pope’ . . . (gosh Prince Phillip, didn’t have to defer to ‘Marm’ so much that England would have no King . . . ) . . . out of this! Russia fights super-power nations NOT sensational naked FEMALE punk bands! Even if they had sex in the Church, a ban from all Churches would already be enough!

Name a nudist colony, a nudist zone or nudist stage club after Pussy Riot if Russia wants to show how Human Rights aware or ‘sex positive’ Russia is! Now lets pay attention to what ‘the Western’ and ‘Muslim’ Fronts are up to instead, enough time and media coverage on this sot of nonsense already . . . if 1 million Russians attended a nude concert, the stout of faith would not even bat an eyelid, this Church ‘slip through’ was not even worth covering, a few well fed (double or triple chinned???) nuns could just drag the Pussy Riot girls (some are even married! UGH!!! No offense to MILF-hunters . . . barf . . . lol ) out for an old fashioned spanking and that would have been the end of this farce, not involve Judges and Presidents and Popes (all the King’s men), not even 1st page media (maybe page 3?) . . . just ridiculous and out of proportion shows petty mindedness and brittleness of faith, of Russian society which is supposed to stoic enough to fight bears and want to crush the USA and the whole concept of Capitalism and socialise the plutocracy into wealth distribution . . . how could a little punk band like that frighten super-power Russia so much?

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/08/03/world/europe/russia-pussy-riot-trial/index.html

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State Duma factions unite in move to ban state officials from owning foreign property – Published: 02 August, 2012, 14:53

Russian MPs have proposed a ban on civil servants owning property abroad, including securities and bank deposits. The move is backed by the four main Duma factions: United Russia, Fair Russia, Communists and Liberal Democrats.

The bill draft states that all federal and municipal officials (including the President, Prime Minister and members of parliament) and their spouses and children cannot open accounts in overseas banks, or own foreign real estate and securities.

The MPs suggest that violating this regulation should be held criminally responsible and punished with a three-year ban from holding public office, and between 5 and 10 million rubles ($150,000 – $300,000) in fines or up to five years in prison.

An initial draft of the bill also orders civil servants to disclose ownership of foreign property, and sell it off within six months. The law would apply to inherited property and even to individuals leaving state service, effective up to three years post-resignation for both ex-officials and their families.

There are exceptions in the bill for those who need foreign property and bank accounts for work, medical treatment or academic studies.

The authors of the bill explained their initiative by appealing to moral principles: “We suggest that everyone starts with himself – a man must put both his feet here and must demonstrate that it is wrong to keep money in foreign banks, it is wrong to buy securities from foreign companies. This is not moral,” deputy head of the Lower House Constitutional Legislation Committee Vyacheslav Lysakov told business daily Kommersant.

The initiative came a week after two parliamentary factions – United Russia and Fair Russia – submitted a joint proposal that would require state officials to report foreign property on a special website.

One of the authors of the bill, deputy chairman of the Lower House Sergey Zheleznyak, suggested that such a move would be fairer, since a total ban could infringe on basic civil rights. Forcing the hasty sale of foreign property during the current economic crisis could also lead to substantial monetary loss.

Other deputies who opposed the bill say it will only lead to increased secrecy, not transparency.

The parliamentary initiative came when at least two top state officials were criticized for owning foreign assets. The head of the Russia’s top federal law enforcement agency – the Investigative Committee – was criticized by opposition blogger Aleksey Navalny and United Russia MP Aleksandr Khinshteyn for once owning a stake in a Czech law firm.A top opposition figure – Fair Russia MP Gennadiy Gudkov – was accused by the Investigative Committee of owning several companies in Bulgaria.

Russian law forbids state officials from entrepreneurship while on their posts, but does not limit their property rights.

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Russian law forbids state officials from entrepreneurship while on their posts (NICE! ), but does not limit their property rights (not so nice . . . perhaps a property number limit based on necessity? The last thing the people need is a civil servant with a 3rd or 10th or more property to ‘hide asset with’ . . . ). As Putin once said, the law makers could ‘GET SERIOUS!’ This looks flawed as hell.

This ban on foreign property though, is a ‘Russian’ style development that the world could learn from. This way a plutocracy will not form within the bureaucracy. Karl Marx would approve. Russia in turn could learn about term limits . . . though Putin’s 3rd term is VERY Russian, but not the good type . . . a spy chief could do no less! Pulling the strings from the background would make Putin that much more fearsome, but being at the forefront diminishes the ‘fear factor’. One cannot glory hog and be a ‘Man in the Shadows’ or ‘Shadow Power Player’ as well at the same time (unless Putin is not the main man and someone pulls Putin’s strings instead . . . sweet . . . ). See below :

Commentator Comments :

On first reading, it sounded like a farce.  On second thought, maybe its well and good if Russia wishes to dclare it criminal for Duma members to have assets in their name overseas.  On third thought, it may be good intention but impossible to implement.  There are too many loopholes to avoid this. One could use a company as a separate entity to own such assets;  Even family members’ name with total Power of Attorney to the Duma member can achieve the same.  Or money laundered from illicit or corrupt dealings back to Russia.  The possibilities are many now that Russia has joined the WTO.  Expect unholy partnerships and alliance between businessmen and politicians.  The assets will find its way into the politician’s permanent usage or name or possession.  No Duma bill will prevent .  That is why I say some arguments or bills can descend into absurdity and removed from reality.  Good try anyway if sincere. – Retired-auditor (Good Intentions & Reality (unregistered) August 03, 2012, 08:17)

ARTICLE 13

Clinging to hope – NO HOLDS BARRED – Friday, 10 August 2012 Super Admin Raja Petra Kamarudin

Well, so be it. If it has to be Pakatan Rakyat then let it be Pakatan Rakyat. But it is we the voters who will be deciding which it is going to be. So why can’t we the voters demand what type of government we want? Our votes decide the government so that gives us the right to dictate the type of government that we want. And the type of government has to be a different and better government.

I have lost quite a number of friends and family to cancer over the last 60 years or so. Of late, many more seem to have left this world. Maybe this is because I am coming to 62 so at that age you tend to lose more people you know — which helps remind us that our time is coming up as well so we can consider ourselves as also standing in queue.

Anyway, what I find common to those who suffer from cancer is that most, if not all, do not give up hope. Even if the doctor has diagnosed the cancer as terminal they still harbour the hope that they can beat it somehow. I suppose that is the characteristic of humankind. We never lose hope even when logic tell us there is no longer any hope.

If we hear that a certain herb has been known to help cure the disease, even in cases where the doctor has said otherwise, and there are incidences where people have survived the cancer after taking that herb, much to the surprise of the doctor, we will surely try that herb and hope that the doctor is wrong and that the herb actually does work.

If we hear that a certain holy man in India has helped cure the disease, even in cases where the doctor said there is no chance of survival, and we are told that many people who went to meet the holy man managed to beat the disease, we will certainly make that trip to India in the hope that we are going to be amongst that group that beat the odds.

I have known friends who have travelled to so many places all over the world to seek miracle cures, mainly through spiritual help or ‘faith healing’, in spite of the medical prognosis that says there is no possibility of any cure. Of course, there are stories abound about how people have managed to prove the doctors wrong and that miracle cures or faith healing does work.

Unfortunately, not a single one of my friends managed to beat the odds. In the end they all died, as what the doctors said was going to happen. The miracle cures or faith healing did not work, in spite of the many stories that we hear about how they sometimes work.

I suppose no one likes to be told that they are going to die and that nothing can be done about it. Who likes to go home and just sit around or lie in bed with excruciating pain and count the days till you leave this world? To be told you have two months to live, or at the most six months but not longer than that, is so depressing. It is better that you psyche yourself into believing that there is still some hope you can cheat death by taking some sort of herb or by travelling to India, China, Thailand, Philippines, Indonesia, etc., to meet a ‘holy man’ who has been known to help cure people whom the doctors said cannot be cured.

It is bad enough you know you are going to die. But to accept the hopelessness of your situation and go without a fight makes the inevitable worse. It is less depressing to believe you have hope and work on that hope by seeking a solution. Who knows, the rumours might be true and the doctors might be wrong and you might be able to find that cure that the doctors said does not exist.

Never take hope away from anyone, especially from someone who is about to die, even if you know it is all false hope. When they excitedly tell you they are going to make a trip to India or China to meet a certain holy man who is said to have helped people beat the odds and managed to prove the doctors wrong, smile and encourage them and tell them that life and death is God’s will and if God wills it then they are going to live and not die in two months or six months or whatever it is that the doctor told them. It is most cruel to tell them, “This is all bullshit and you are going to die in the next few months so just accept that fact and don’t waste time with all this nonsense of miracle cures or faith healing.”

Religion is more or less about hope as well. We all know we are going to die. That is inevitable and unavoidable. The only question is when, how and where. It could be soon or it could be some years into the future. But the day we got born means we are certainly going to die. The only way to avoid death is not to be born. If we are not born then we can cheat death, so to speak.

But we still need hope. We know we have no hope of avoiding death. But we would like to know that death is not final. If death is final then what good is it to be born? Are we born just so that we can die? Isn’t life then totally useless? Why be born just so that we can die? What a total waste of time?

And the hope we harbour would be that death is not final but merely the beginning of a better life, a life after death. We leave this cruel world to go to a better world. What we will enjoy after we leave this world is far better than what we can ever experience in this world. Hence death should actually be rejoiced rather than mourned.

Now, if you tell someone that this is all bullshit, and that once you die it is the end of everything, that person will get very upset with you. He or she does not like to be told that death is final and that there is no better life after death. How can they accept that there is only one life, this life, and no second life, and that once you leave this world you leave forever and do not enter into another world or enjoy a permanent life after death?

This is, again, all about hope. We need to believe that there is still hope even when we die. To be told that there is no longer any hope once we die and that death is final and the end of everything and not the beginning of a second and better life is something most people cannot accept. It makes the entire concept of life totally useless. It makes the acceptance of death very difficult.

Hence if you tell someone that religion is nonsense and that what religion tells you is equally nonsense you will be met with vicious opposition. This is because you are denying these people hope. You are removing the only hope that they have. They know they have no hope of not dying. So they need to replace the hopelessness of their situation with another hope. And that hope is, while you cannot cheat death, death is not final and that life after death is greater than life on this earth.

The same applies to life in Malaysia. We have suffered life in Malaysia under the same government for 55 years. We would like to believe that this is not a hopeless situation. We would like to believe that there is still some hope. And so we hope that the government will change and that the next government will be a better government than the one we currently have.

Then someone comes along and says that this is all bullshit. This person says that there is no hope of changing the government or even if you can change the government life is still going to be the same and there is not going to be any change as you hope there would. You will get angry. And you will get angry because this person is taking away the only hope you have of seeing a better life.

Try telling a person suffering from cancer that the doctor is right and that this so-called holy man in India or China cannot help you live beyond two months and see the reaction. Try telling a person that the Bible or Qur’an is bullshit and that you are eventually going to die and once you die that is final and not the beginning of a new/better life and see the reaction. Try telling someone that all politicians are the same and never mind which government comes to power you are still going to see the same sorry state of affairs and see the reaction.

And this is why many people react the way they do when we point out the shortcomings and weaknesses of the opposition. They are harbouring the hope that a change of government would mean a better life. So when we tell them otherwise we are taking away this hope. They need hope, so they resent it when we take away this hope by telling them there is no hope.

Hope and reality work opposite to one another. The reality is: we are going to die of cancer within the next two months. The hope is: a holy man in a foreign land can help us cheat death. The reality is: once we die that is final and the end of everything. The hope is: death is not final but just the beginning of better things to come. The reality is: many countries change governments but life does not really improve much and sometimes even becomes worse. The hope is: once we kick out Barisan Nasional then Malaysia is going to become paradise on earth.

When I contradict your belief system and tell you to look at reality I am removing all this hope. I know this sounds cruel and denying you hope is just like telling you that you are going to die of cancer in two months — so save your money and don’t bother to fly all over the world to meet holy men — or like telling you that there is no afterlife for you to go to once you die because death is final.

If the doctor tells you that you are suffering from terminal cancer and are going to die in two months time I will not tell you that the doctor is right and that you should not try miracle cures or faith healing. That would be cruel. If you believe that there is a better afterlife where you will be going to once you die I am not going to tell you that this is religious bullshit because you need to believe this to be able to accept death.

In both these situations you need hope because hope is the only thing you have. So I will not take away this hope from you.

But in the issue of changing the government, now that is not a hopeless situation like terminal cancer or death. There is still hope that a change of government can result in a better life. But we need a better government to be able to see a better life. So I will barrage you and the politicians from both sides of the political divide that a change of government per se will not result in a better life. It must be the correct type of government.

I know it is not easy to accept reality. How many people can accept being told that they are going to die in two months time so just accept it and stop all this faith healing nonsense? How many people can accept being told that there is no such thing as an afterlife and once you die you are gone forever so live this only one life that you have while you still have it? And how many people can accept being told that a change of government will not automatically result in a better life unless we get the right type of government?

But someone has to do this job even though the person doing it is going to get cursed. As I said, I will not shatter your hope of beating cancer or of going to a better life after death, but I will certainly shatter your hope that a better life can be achieved through a change of government.

Now, don’t get me wrong. I am not saying we should not change the government. Many of you will interpret this as me saying just that. Yes, change the government by all means. Just make sure we get the right type of government so that our objective of a better life can be met.

In this case, you might say, we only have two choices, Barisan Nasional and Pakatan Rakyat. So it is either Barisan Nasional or Pakatan Rakyat. And if it is not Barisan Nasional then it has to be Pakatan Rakyat.

Well, so be it. If it has to be Pakatan Rakyat then let it be Pakatan Rakyat. But it is we the voters who will be deciding which it is going to be. So why can’t we the voters demand what type of government we want? Our votes decide the government so that gives us the right to dictate the type of government that we want. And the type of government has to be a different and better government.

Why is it so difficult for some of you to understand this very simple thing? And do I really need to write four pages to put this point across to you?

Yes, in the end this is all about hope. But there is a difference between false hope and hope tempered with reality. I am not selling false hope. I am selling hope tempered with reality. Hence from time to time we need to embark upon a reality check to get us back on track.

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Again with the hegelian dialectic. Who says 3rd Force cannot be better than the above 2 coalitions? And don’t confuse state and religion much like politics and health. All of the issues are UNRELATED. Much like RPK tries to inculpate via allegory an inability to separate issues, the very same ability to separate issues can be used to keep one’s health better. When one thinks with the collective one gets the ailments of the collective. When one thinks as an individual, one will only get what one deserves. Collective hive mindedness is convenient but results in all kinds of incompatibilities in the astral and ethereal and this is the very cause of illness. Want to heal up to oneself? Stop parasiting the ideas of the original and be oneself – this is not easy and a luxury but do try or lose individuality.

The more individual one is, the better and healthier because everyone is different and one cannot be another without paying a price somehow. Also individuality is a mark of strength in this day of compromised and homogenised individuality. Pick your meme and stay with that. Faux-Hindu? Faux-Sheik? Greaser? Punk? Suit? Techie? Nerd? Nut? Gravitate to that which is most comfortable, the meme will do the rest WITH LOGIC the overreaching ‘law’. Generally one must learn to think and not follow blindly. Is the law as of now good? Is the MP amending bad laws? Is the MP overreaching 2 term limits to become a cult of personality? Does any democratic person not understand that nepotism destroy democracy? Does any Muslim who is fair minded think dhimmitude of other faiths help? Should hudud even be applied against democratic principles? Does anyone have the right to deny Nudist colonies if activities are in enclosed zones? Organics psychedelic bars? So mind our own business and make sure your lawmakers ensure living as one prefers in assigned spaces appropriate is possible, not drug, not poison and not manipulate into oblivion, and not sequester wealth, not sequester land, or not sequester political power, the country and the world belongs to everyone, so stop bothering who is LGBT or not of what faith or wants to do whatever . . . go against these cardinal rules and suffer the political or even revolutionary consequences. Therein lies one’s right over everyone else.

As for . . . The only way to avoid death is not to be born. . . . – that which one believes will occur to as far as one’s Will has been cultivated. Bubye Monotheists, and good riddance! The rest will doubtless also be treated to what they believe . . .

ARTICLE 14

Frog hunting season – THE CORRIDORS OF POWER – Wednesday, 08 August 2012 Super Admin Raja Petra Kamarudin

But not all the potential frogs crossed over in the end. Many did not, basically because they were asking for too much money to cross over. After I broke the story that Hee Yit Fong of Jelapang was paid RM25 million to cross over — the money paid by gambling tycoon Vincent Tan — all the others started demanding that same amount and were no longer prepared to accept less than a million, like what was paid to Badrul Hisham Abdullah of Port Kelang.

“Rafizi to replace Gwo-Burne?” said The Malay Mail, which you can read below. The Malay Mail then goes into a long two-page story about the issue. Actually, it is a very short and simple story. And I certainly support what PKR is trying to do, which is basically frog hunting. PKR is getting rid of the potential frogs.

If you can remember, three years ago, just before Perak fell back in 2009, I revealed that Umno is talking to a few potential frogs, in particular but not confined to those in PKR. Of course, at that time, what I said was pooh-poohed. Over time, though, we began to see the crossovers happen, one-by-one.

But not all the potential frogs crossed over in the end. Many did not, basically because they were asking for too much money to cross over. After I broke the story that Hee Yit Fong of Jelapang was paid RM25 million to cross over — the money paid by gambling tycoon Vincent Tan — all the others started demanding that same amount and were no longer prepared to accept less than a million, like what was paid to Badrul Hisham Abdullah of Port Kelang.

Okay, let us not talk about those who did eventually cross over. We have talked about them enough and you know who these people are — the ‘independent’ and BN-friendly wakil rakyat that includes Hee Yit Fong, Nasarudin Hashim, Jamaluddin Mohd. Radzi, Mohd Osman Jailu, Wee Choo Keong, Zahrain Mohamed Hashim, Ibrahim Ali, Hasan Ali, Zulkilfi Nordin, Badrul Hisham Abdullah, Keshvinder Singh, Fairuz Khairuddin, etc.

Let us instead talk about those who were supposed to have crossed over but eventually did not because Umno refused to pay them what they wanted. And the list of potential frogs that did not eventually cross over because Umno could not meet their price were:

Loh Gwo-Burne (Kelana Jaya)

S. Manikavasagam (Kapar)

Aziz Kadir (Ketereh)

Azan Ismail (Indera Kota)

Lim Soo Nee (Kulim)

Mat Suhaimi Shafiei (Sri Muda)

Amirudin Shari (Batu Caves)

Abdullah Sani Abdul Hamid (Kuala Langat)

Rashid Din (Merbok)

Johari Abdul (Sungai Petani)

So, yes, many of these people, plus more, are quietly going to be dumped. Barisan Nasional does not want them because they are demanding too much and neither will Pakatan Rakyat field them in the next general election.

And that is the real reason why Loh Gwo-Burne is being replaced and not as The Malay Mail reported below.

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Rafizi to replace Gwo-Burne?

(The Malay Mail) – Will PKR strategic director Rafizi Ramli contest in the Kelana Jaya parliamentary seat? Although he is tipped to contest in the Pandan parliamentary seat, some representatives of the Selangor government are lobbying for him to stand in Kelana Jaya.

Speculation is rife that Kelana Jaya MP Loh Gwo-Burne has a slim chance of retaining his seat.

According to one leader, Loh was not popular among the residents as he was “inactive” as an MP.

One community leader said he would rather not vote in the election if Loh defended his seat. “The problem is, we don’t see him at all. And he has done nothing so far,” said the resident.

“It is unfortunate because he was given a chance to do something but he has wasted it.”

Professional photographer Nazeerul Haqeem, 24, also said Loh’s presence was lacking in the constituency. “I think (Seri Setia assemblyman) Nik Nazmi (Nik Ahmad) is more of a people person. He has buka puasa events and dinners with residents,” Nazeerul said.

PKR vice-president Nurul Izzah Anwar said, however, that Rafizi was already working on building his repertoire in Pandan, a seat firmly held by former MCA president Datuk Seri Ong Tee Keat for two terms now. “At the moment, Rafizi is working hard in Pandan,” she said.

Asked if Rafizi had a better chance of winning in Kelana Jaya, Nurul Izzah said his recent prosecution under the Banking and Financial Institutions Act 1989 for disclosing banking details on the National Feedlot Corporation (NFCorp) scandal may serve to boost his reputation among the voters in Pandan.

“So (Datuk Seri) Ong Tee Keat should be less than confident in retaining his seat,” she said.

Nurul Izzah said the party would decide on the seat allocations “when it is ready”.

Loh was amused when told of the attempts to field Rafizi. “I spoke to Rafizi and he seems to be focused on Pandan,” he said.

However, he admitted that there was much to be done in the constituency, especially with regards to urban poverty, and said he would defend his seat.

“People from the poor areas like Desa Mentari are asking us to stay and help them,” Loh said. “Slums in areas like Glenmarie need a lot of attention.”

He said other major issues such as traffic problems and crime rates were also important but these matters fell under the jurisdiction of the federal government.

“I am not saying the federal government is not doing enough but such matters need at least five to 10 years to be resolved,” he said.

“The public transport system needs to be restructured, car ownership needs to be reduced, and crime rates need the attention of the police force.

“For me, I feel that tackling urban poverty is crucial because it will also stem the increase of crime.”

Meanwhile, Rafizi said although he had to wait for the party’s leadership to decide on the fielding of candidates, he was already preparing to contest in Pandan.

“I think the party’s approach right now is to field national candidates against strong Barisan Nasional (BN) candidates,” he said.

“I really appreciate the calls for me to contest in Kelana Jaya but comparing Kelana Jaya with Pandan, Pandan is the more difficult seat to win for Pakatan Rakyat (PR), so that is why I have to go to Pandan,” he said with a laugh.

Loh was among eight elected representatives from the Pakatan Rakyat allegedly offered a total of RM160 million to leave and become independent representatives. He made this claim at the Selangor state assembly on July 12.

The urban, mostly affluent Kelana Jaya constituency has 95,647 voters, comprising 41 per cent Chinese, 39 per cent Malays and 18 per cent Indians.

The Pandan constituency has 78,128 voters, comprising 47 per cent Chinese, 45 per cent Malays and six per cent Indians.

Loh’s only claim to fame before 2008 was recording a conversation involving lawyer Datuk V.K. Lingam allegedly interfering in the appointment of judges.

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Thats just money, the pleasure of outing the corrupting MP or Minister and denying the MP or Minister power is much better. Also if all the MP’s ratify bills that license many gambling outlets instead of a single monopoly and creating an overgrown corruptor, these problems would not be here today. Most of us probably were not born even when the rubbish mindset or law/constitution that is government was put into place, and most of us need to put an end to this sort of citizen interaction and legislation and law writing, including term limitless MPs who collude or MPs trying to get there merely for power. Takes discipline to identify which MP is worth voting, those that do not respond to an intelligent question or a book full of CLEAN POLITICS to appreciate the local intelligensia with, are UNVOTABLE. But really there are virtually no role models excepting those who walk their own path sufficiently to think clearly and critically enough to initiate 3rd force movements. How about replicating this instead?

ARTICLE 15

Gov’t and party are different: ex-CID chief – Friday, 10 August 2012 08:45

Former Bukit Aman Criminal Investigation Department chief Fauzi Shaari has laughed off a proposal by prime minister Najib Razak for police to take oath of allegiance to the government. “The police must know how to differentiate between government and party. In voting, it is their right to choose the better party,” he said.

Fauzi, who recently joined PAS, described the call as unnecessary, and said if police treated their job as a religious obligation, they would put in their best efforts in their work.

At a buka puasa event, Najib again invoked his now infamous catchphrase “You help me, I help you” by calling the police to take an oath of loyalty.

“If the government helps PDRM (Malaysia Royal Police Force), then PDRM will help the government and the country. We help each other to bring the country towards a safer, harmonious and excellent future,” Najib was quoted as saying.

The remark drew strong reaction from northern-based Malay empowerment group TERAS who said it was Najib’s hidden instruction to the police to vote for BN.

“So, the oath is not so much about PDRM promising to be loyal to the government but a plea to all top officers to ensure that the votes from lower officers will go to BN,” said TERAS chairman Mohd Azmi Abdul Hamid.

PAS Youth information chief Riduan Mohd Nor said Najib’s latest move signified the BN government’s fear of the increasing support for Pakatan Rakyat amid a slew of announcements of former top civil servants joining PAS.

“It has made a big impact to UMNO-BN for the 13th general election,” he added.

-Harakahdaily

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That is why the military and police, EVEN civil service, should not be allowed to vote and remain neutral or not even be part of the voting numbers equation. See how the police and army have separate from the Rakyat, taxpayer dollar paid for quarters? That is the trade off and sacrifice the police and army OWE the ordinary Rakyat which does not have the access or benefits or the authority they have. Simply to prevent vested interest.

Imagine if more and more citizens became police and voted for the government AND asked the government to give them more and more goodies out of taxpayer monies? What would happen to the Rakyat? If taken to extreme progression and expression, leads to a police state (Singapore or perhaps WW2 Nazi Germany) and/or a military (Junta) state. That is why ex-Pakistan President Musharaff LEFT the Military, that is also why Musharaff MUST NOT be President, that is why Putin’s 3rd term is not healthy (so far not in a violent manner given the treatment of the ‘Pussy Riot’ issue (perhaps contrived?) by Putin), but who knows what goes on behind the Iron Curtain which is impossible to say exists in some part even though Soviet Union has disbanded.

Meanwhile am with PAS Youth information chief Riduan Mohd Nor on this. PAS once again surpasses on ethics issues (how about slamming PR’s non-PAS top leadership for failing to keep 90% of campaign promises . . . ), BUT STILL Hudud is unjustifible! PAS would be a role model world wide if not an Islamist party. who knows 3rd Force might be able to do the same after all . . . in this case the police faction with this attituide is ‘Ethically Corrupt’ and begins to sound dangerous.

The regular taxpayers and citizens must never want to deprive the uniformed groups of jobs, at the same time they must understand that governments that are into things like Ops Lallang, or false flagging marches and riots that NEVER address apartheid or extreme religion, can very well be complicit in ‘seeding’ criminality via the ‘Prison-BuildingContractor-Prison-Supplier Complex’. The prison could well be a place where persons intentionally goaded into the odd criminal act or few, are introduced and indoctrinated by ‘insiders’ so that they can be released to commit petty crime that justifies MORE police who intentionally will be induced to secure ever larger blocs of votes with ‘Police Families’ being an Oligarchy and eventually democracy destroying Feudalism again.

Politics cannot mix with enforcement either or a non-meritocratic Gestapo will form, in the military’s case, a Junta. We might see 10th generation being given automatic promotions instead of by sheer merit, and favouritism and nepotism etc. will again ruin another pillar of government . . . I believe even the police internally know and do not want this, or those with a sense of ethics or morality would certainly not as well, and would prefer to stay above politics than frightening the Rakyat (this article’s information is mildly chilling against Najib’s ethics) with assent to this sort of ‘bloc vote’ mindset. PDRM should understand that if more police or benefits are needed, this should not be politically motivated. As so many active in the ‘scene’ police and criminals are from opposite sides of the same coin, and this sort of politics harms the pride of the institution of law enforcement no end.

Ethical Governance – Potential Democracy Destroying Post Holders if Unlimited or Nepotistic, and Potentially Dangerous Groups To Watch Out For . . .

ARTICLE 15.5
When a friend of my friend is my friend – NO HOLDS BARRED – Saturday, 18 August 2012

That was not how things were 50 years ago back in the 1960s. Back then we had a bond. And that bond was worth more than everything in this world. But we have now lost that. And we blame the government for the current sorry state of affairs. But we fail to see that honour and ethics have nothing to do with the government. It is what is inside us. And if we do not have it inside us then we can change the government every year for the next ten years and we will still not have it inside us.

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UMNO is as UMNO does? What **suffocating** and presumptuous language. Heres your establishment pawn Rakyat . . . ethos and pathos, also contrived cleverness in superficial linguistic acrobatics (IKIM does this occasionally) can only take an argument so far, BUT without *LOGOS*, no amount of charisma or twisting and turning can subvert those who work to keep the truth in the clear so the Rakyat can vote properly.

1) But we fail to see that honour and ethics have nothing to do with the government.

This normalizes dishonour and unethical behaviour.

2) It is what is inside us.

Heres RPK trying to remake the whole world in the Islamist mould AGAIN.

3) And if we do not have it inside us . . .

NO. Honourable and ethical law writing is needed. This ‘it inside us’ b.s. is Islamo-speak IMHO. Tricky aren’t them Muslims?

4) . . . then we can change the government every year for the next ten years and we will still not have it inside us.

Governement being changed every year is a moot point and strawman argument intended to distract.

REALLY RPK, you can dance circles around only so many people, disappointing attempt to subvert again! Do rebut otherwise, but an reader can corroborate the amount of nonsense previously posted and we only have an empty shell probably working for emptier shells and the wrong side . . .

Original and full post can be read here at risk of subversion . . .

http://malaysia-today.net/mtcolumns/no-holds-barred/51164-when-a-friend-of-my-friend-is-my-friend

6 Articles On Malaysia – featuring DAP-MCA debate, Chinese Mentri Besars, Spa Raid, PAS’s First Bureaucratic Interference and Najib’s Out of Touchedness – reposted by @AgreeToDisagree – 19th February 2012

In 1% tricks and traps, Bumiputera Apartheid, candidacy, checks and balances, conflict of interest, Eminent Domain, lack of focus, Malaysia, media tricks, misplaced adoration, politics, racism, Sexuality, vested interest, voting methods, voting strategy on February 19, 2012 at 10:21 am

ARTICLE 1

People the winner in Chinese debate, says Soi Lek – by Yow Hong Chieh – February 18, 2012

Lim (left) and Dr Chua greet each other warmly at the end of their debate. — Picture by Jack Ooi

KUALA LUMPUR, Feb 18 — Datuk Seri Dr Chua Soi Lek has called his debate with DAP secretary-general Lim Guan Eng this evening a victory for the public, who got to hear views from both sides of the political divide.

The MCA president, whose hour-long debate in Mandarin with Lim was shown live on Astro, stressed that the public should not see the event as a “school debate” with winners and losers but a chance to better understand the two parties.

“The winner is the people, and not Lim Guan Eng or Chua Soi Lek, because they are the ones who know the true position of the parties,” he told reporters after the debate at the “Malaysian Chinese at the Political Crossroads” conference here.

Dr Chua hoped the debate held at Berjaya Times Square Hotel here would serve as starting point for similar events between the MCA and DAP in future, but said that it would be up to individual politicians to decide if they wanted to do so.

Lim also said today’s debate on the two-party system in Malaysia had benefited the people as such exchanges were part and parcel of a healthy democracy.

This was because debates helped to air advice and dissent, which is crucial to building consensus through a process of public consultation, he explained.

He wished to see other leaders from Barisan Nasional (BN) and Pakatan Rakyat (PR) take part in such debates, singling out Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Razak.

“We hope this small step will be followed by a big one, that is (a debate) between Datuk Seri Najib and opposition leader Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim,” Lim said, joking that the public would get bored if only he and Dr Chua debated each other.

Najib has baulked at several offers from Anwar to debate on policy issues, which the PKR de facto leader has said would let voters decide for themselves if the opposition pact’s plans for the country had merit.

The Umno president had previously demurred by saying debates were not necessary as political parties were more important than individuals in Malaysia’s parliamentary democracy.

Both Dr Chua and Lim said they would debate each other again soon in Bahasa Malaysia and English on another topic.

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If the below 3 items are not granted by either MCA or DAP, the people will not be the winner of everything no matter how many times DAP and MCA debate. We did not vote for MCA or DAP to debate, we voted for MCA or DAP to grant :

1) Freedom from Apartheid/Fascism
2) Freedom from Religious-Persecution/Religious-Supremacy.
3) Equality for all ethnicities and faiths in all aspects of policy, Law and Constitution.

Debate among yourselves for what? 3rd Force Chinese parties, are you ready tp trounce these 2 hegelian dialectic parties? As long as APARTHEID persists, the people (especially minorities or persecuted Malays who are not ‘Muslim enough’ – it is actually true that Malays wishing to counter the fundo mentality here in some quarters are depending on the Orang Asli, Indians and Chinese to ensure UNHCR Article 1 and by extension UNHCR Article 18 will be assured in Malaysia) are the loser. So end the APARTHEID before saying anyone won, it is the MPs who won, since they get to keep the salaries that taxpayers pay for. End APARTHEID and stop debating! File lawsuits. refer to the Reid Commission or the UNHCR Article 1. Contact the UN about apartheid. Contact the homelands India and China to send a Commissar to help MCA and DAP think clearly, it’s just equality not destruction of the Malay race we ask for DAP and MCA to do!

 

 

ARTICLE 2

No point addressing lies, says Guan Eng – by Shannon Teoh – February 19, 2012

KUALA LUMPUR, Feb 19 — Lim Guan Eng dismissed today criticisms that he failed to reply to questions from the floor in yesterday’s debate with political rival Datuk Seri Dr Chua Soi Lek, saying he does not respond to lies.

The Penang chief minister told reporters in the island that he did not touch on whether the state government had increased local assessment fees; why DAP supported hudud; and if land was allocated to Chinese vernacular schools as the allegations made were untrue.

“Did we increase?” the DAP secretary general asked local Penang reporters. “Chua Soi Lek said we support hudud. We have already said many times we oppose hudud and that is why you don’t have it in Penang. You know and I know.”

“If you want to reply to lies, you will have no time to present your policies,” the Bagan MP said.

The highly anticipated debate saw Lim attacking Dr Chua’s MCA for being unable to stop graft within the Barisan Nasional (BN) coalition.

But the former health minister took DAP to task for being “a slave” to PAS, the Islamic party in the opposition Pakatan Rakyat (PR) pact.

The debate, themed “Chinese at a Crossroads. Is the 2 Party System Becoming a 2 Race System?” was also screened on Astro in Mandarin with Malay translation provided.

The floor largely backed a stern-looking Dr Chua whose opponent smiled throughout most of the debate despite enduring heavy fire from questions by the audience.

Lim added today that as the debate was organised by MCA, “eight or nine out of the 10 questions” were directed towards him instead of the MCA president.

“You get six minutes of questions but only three minutes to answer. Even Chua Soi Lek agreed there was no time. A debate should not be a forum to spew lies and personal attacks,” he said.

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No point addressing lies? Heres a huge lie in the making by an inwrd looking slip in the language by LGE. Waddya mean *in Penang* LGE? We are interested in the assurance of protection of all minorities in the whole of Malaysia. If DAP’s reach is only *in Penang* then MCA or any 3rd Force party has already won. LGE said *in Penang* there are minorities ALL over Malaysia. Is this how far DAP aspires for equality *in Penang*. A satrapy under the Lim Clan? That is why the 3rd Force or indie candidates will form the backbone of Malaysia’s minorties’ future.

 

 

ARTICLE 3

And now for the truth about Tee Keat: It’s a red herring! Impossible for non-Malay to be MB Featured – written by  Jackson Ng (retired ?streetpounding? journalist), Malaysia Chronicle – Tuesday, 14 February 2012 03:33

And now for the truth about Tee Keat: It’s a red herring! Impossible for non-Malay to be MB

I READ with amusement the Malaysia Chronicle (MC) report titled “Tee Keat to be the first ever Chinese ‘Mentri Besar’ of Selangor?”

At the point of writing, the report attracted 275 comments from MC readers, testimony of the interest and excitement over such an appointment coming true.

Also, at the same time, I have also yet to come across any news report of a response from Prime Minister Najib Abdul Razak, who is also Selangor Barisan Nasional (BN) chairman, or Pandan MP Ong Tee Keat.

I also note the maturity of the majority of MC readers in expressing their disbelief of such an appointment being realised.

Red herring

Why is it unbelievable? Section 51 of the Selangor Constitution is the reason:

…no person shall be appointed to be Menteri Besar unless he is of the Malay Race and professes the Muslim Religion. So, is it a wonder that both Najib and Ong have yet to respond or any follow-up from the mainstream media?

It is just too unbelievable and too stupid to respond. It is obvious the speculation was generated as a red herring to lure Tee Keat out of Pandan where he had served as MP since January 1989 or 23 years.

The work of Tee Keat’s enemies – MCA is certain

Speculation is swirling on both sides of the political divide that Tee Keat, a former MCA president, will be made the first Chinese Mentri Besar or chief minister of Selangor, if the Umno-BN coalition manages to retake the state in the coming 13th general election.

It is clear the speculation is the work of people who don’t want Tee Keat to defend Pandan but to go for a state assembly nomination. Who are they? MCA is certain or perhaps Umno or both?

One thing is almost certain. After 23 years in politics, Tee Keat cannot be that stupid to take such bait when Section 51 of the Selangor Constitution is so clear on the appointment of a Mentri Besar.

It looks and more and more like Tee Keat is in the wrong coalition!


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We do not care who is the MB. It is more important to have :

1) Freedom from Apartheid/Fascism
2) Freedom from Religious-Persecution/Religious-Supremacy.
3) Equality for all ethnicities and faiths in all aspects of policy, Law and Constitution.

If the WHOLE cabinet and dewan were Malay and the above 3 items with a few other freedoms assured, Malaysia would be more perfect than it is with a Chinese lapdog in every MB seat but without the above 3 items.

 

 

ARTICLE 4

Bukit Aman storms ‘stubborn’ spa – by Aizat Sharif – Wednesday, February 15, 2012 – 14:57

NABBED: Foreign masseuses were arrested during a raid at a massage centre yesterday. The centre is believed have been operating body-to-body massage as an extra service for its client

KUALA LUMPUR: A health centre in Desa Hartamas must have a “stubborn streak” in it for continuing to operate illegally as a massage parlour despite being raided by state and district police several times last year.

On Monday night, the Federal anti-vice police turned up at its doors on the first floor of a shoplot in Jalan 20/70A at 10.45pm.

The raiding party, led by Chief Inspector Wiryanti Abdul Wahid, nabbed a local man suspected to be the operator and four foreign women.

Three customers, who were also detained, were released after their statements were recorded.

“The place, believed to be operating for the past six months, had been raided several times by the state and district police last year,” said Wiryanti.

She said from now on, police and City Hall would monitor the premises to ensure it would not revert to its illicit business.

She said the foreigners, an Indonesian and three Thai nationals, aged 20 to 30, did not possess any identification documents.

“We also found out the premises to be operating illegally and a local operator, in his 30s, was also detained. The masseuses are also believed to provide extra services, like ‘body-to-body’ massage and sex, for clients.” she said.

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This is getting tedious. Legalise the adult services outlet or districts and just make sure no Muslims are allowed to use the services. It is a human right for both the non-Muslim client and the sex worker. Malaysia cannot take away non-Muslim rights to a legalized adult industry without falling afoul of the UNHCR especially for outlets that stick strictly to non-Muslims.

 

 

ARTICLE 5

PAS Sacks Religious Teacher Who Joined PPP – 19 February 2012 00:19

KOTA BAHARU — The People’s Progressive Party (PPP) is disappointed over the Kelantan Government’s decision to sack a religious teacher after she and her husband joined the PPP in Pasir Puteh, four days ago.

PPP vice-president Nik Sapeia Nik Yusoff said the PAS action was unprofessional and was tantamount to practising political revenge, which did not reflect upon an Islamic-based party.

“I urge Kelantan Menteri Besar Nik Abdul Aziz Nik Mat to take this matter seriously.

“Barisan Nasional (BN) does not sack those who do not support the coalition. This is evidence of PAS despotism,” he told a media conference here on Saturday.

Eighty PAS members in Wakaf Village, Pasir Puteh, including the religious teacher, Siti Rokiah Mohd Zain, 53, quit the party and joined PPP.

Nik Sapeia said, after joining PPP, a PAS leader had informed Siti Rokiah that she was sacked from her position as religious teacher and not eligible to receive her monthly allowance of RM200.

The PAS’ high-handed decision has upset Siti Rokiah.

“I have been teaching Islam since 2004. I am not really concerned about the allowance, but this small amount was withdrawn because I joined the PPP,” she said.

Nevertheless, Nik Sapeia disclosed, PPP would help Siti Rokiah receive a similar allowance, beginning this month, and urged her to continue teaching the residents.

He also handed over RM1,200 to Siti Rokiah as six-month allowance.

(Bernama)

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After the string of successes in ethics, a very bad and unethical move by PAS. Firings must not be politically motivated and citizen choice of political party cannot be used as a weapon or to sideline citizens by. This is a democracy, not the jaguh kampung’s backyard. Firings can be done on meritocracy but this firing smacks of Theocracvy and politicised Islam. Islam is not to be sullied by politics. Reinstate the religious teacher but make sure Siti does not talk politics in religion class either.

 

 

ARTICLE 6

Billionaires Became Rich Because Of Our Policy – Sunday, 19 February 2012 00:12

KUALA LUMPUR — Malaysian billionaires became rich bacause of the country’s policy and stability, said Prime Minister Najib Tun Razak.

“I looked at (Friday’s) newspapers… the list of Malaysian billionaires. I studied each one of them. Maybe some in this room today. Every one of them became rich because of our policy,” he said when opening the one-day “Malaysian Chinese at the Political Crossroads” conference jointly organised by the Asian Strategy and Leadership Institute and the MCA think-tank, Insap, here yesterday.

Najib said these billionaires either hold concessions or were in the right place and at the right time.

He said that the billionaires benefited from the stability of Malaysia and the government would continue to ensure growth and create more and more opportunities.

According to Najib, the Malaysian Chinese are more entrepreneurial compared to the Bumiputeras and the government would continue to make Malaysia a better place to do business.

“Even if they don’t get concessions, they have to be in the right place and at the right time. They benefited from our policy, they benefited from the fact that we give stability to this country.

“We will continue to ensure that the nation will grow and will create more and more opportunities,” he said.

Najib also said that the government would continue to listen to the problems of the Malaysian Chinese.

“We will make sure there are more opportunities for them to advance in this country,” he added.

(Bernama)

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Najib said these billionaires either hold (were selectively given) concessions or were in the right place (political families) and at the right time (political alliances currently in power). Thats not meritocracy, but political cronyism . . . Najib shouldn’t hire speech writers then talk as if he believes in the material he’s reading, a sense of doom for the country darkens the political scene when articles about statments like these appear. Does the Royal Collective of Malay rulers know that the nation of Malaysia’s helm is on autopilot? What IS Najib doing??? Probably still thinks hes the Defence Minister during dr.Evil’s time . . . end the apartheid at least if you can’t focus Najib, the country could at least attribute something worthwhile to your Premiership, the next generation of BN leaders looks very uninspiring overall especially if apartheid still cannot end . . . PM shows the ‘out of touch’, ”pre-scripted’ side of himself here . . .

3 Articles : Considerations on ‘Underage’ Marriage and Ambiguous Actions considered Criminal (with response on Definition of Underage), Neutrality in the Controversial : Discussions on Paedophelia – reposted by @AgreeToDisagree – 15th Februaery 2012

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ARTICLE 1

Getting married at 14 – 9 December 2010 | Save The Children | Posted by Noreen Ariff (exchange/discussion on early marriage)

News that a 22 year old school teacher had got married to a 14 year old girl has caused shockwaves in Malaysia, reverberating around the world. Recall what it was like to be 14 again, and consider if such marriages really can hold water under the law.

I still remember the 14th year of my life vividly. Every day I would wake up early in the morning to catch the morning bus to go to religious school. It lasted for 3 hours every day where afterwards I would go home and get ready to go to normal school ( this of course doesn’t mean that religious school is abnormal, I can’t think of a better description of a day school). Once in school, my friends and I would chat and chat about homework, gossiped about girls that we didn’t like and the latest boy bands that had got our fancy.

This routine continued every day for 5 days a week. Saturdays were for girl-guides and other clubs and as soon as my activities finished, I would catch a bus straight home to watch cartoons and old Malay movies on the then Singaporean Channel 5. Sundays were cartoons, 90210 and homework, lots and lots of homework. In between I would call my best friend, and we would chat and chat to our hearts content. Of course I had to help out with the household chores but let’s leave that out. In short, life was bliss. It had only one purpose: to be a kid.

My body was also changing. I had stopped wearing training bras and began using the real ones. I had gotten my period which was a bit of bother. At 14, I had only the slightest idea about sex. Sex out of wedlock is a no-no in Islam and from the medical books I read, the idea of sex actually grossed me out. I only properly learnt about the human reproduction system at 15, in science class. So at 14, I would say that I was still very awkward and blur. Did I feel and did my mum think that I was an adult just because I had breasts and was menstruating once a month? I don’t think so.

Yes, I wanted to have a boyfriend then, but at 14 marriage was the last thing on my mind. The main focus in life was to do well in school and get into a reputable university so that I can get a high-paying job, buy everything that I ever wanted, travel the world and change it. If my mum wanted to marry me off then, I would have rebelled and ran away from home because in my mind child marriages only exist in third-world countries where women were not educated, where her family had no means to support her and she had to depend on men.

I must have forgotten that Malaysia is a third-world country with third-world mentalities dominating our minds as if we had no other choice. I must have forgotten that not all parents are the same. Not all parents think that 14 year olds are kids, nor understand that having breasts and menstruation do not make these kids adults. Not all parents are patient enough to go through tough teenage years with their kids and encourage them to forget about the opposite sex for a while and stay focused on themselves and their studies.

I must have also forgotten that not all teachers are educators. I must have forgotten that once upon a time our Prophet Muhammad PBUH married Aishah, who was still a child and that is why some Muslims think it’s okay for a kid to get married. I must have forgotten that once a upon a time, Mansor Adabi a teacher of 22 years of age married Natrah, who was then 13 and our grandparents thought nothing of it.

I have forgotten that times may have changed but some minds are still trapped in the Stone Age.

I doubt Prophet Muhammed PBUH would have married Aishah if he was a prophet now and yes, I doubt Mansor Adabi and Natrah would have gotten married. The circumstances would have been different. Primary and secondary education in Malaysia now is free and available to all. Malaysian women have made it to the top echelons of organisations. I am sure these women would not be where they are right now if they had gotten married at 14. (Blesphemy! Lol, jk, but it’s a good thing Noreen is not in the worst of the Muslim world. Noreen’d be strung up and quartered, keel hauled, FGMed or whatever.)

I am appalled that after all these years there are still parents who allow their underage kids to get married and even more when their insanity is entertained by the Syariah Court who consented to these marriages. The country was just shocked by the news of the 11 year old who got married to an old man, we are now faced with news of a celebration of a 14 year old kid who got married to a 23 year old primary school teacher. The kid was quoted as saying “it’s going to be hard to juggle two roles – a student and a wife- but I’m taking it in my stride”.

I am wondering whether she fully understands what she has gotten herself into. Marriage is not about copulating and procreating alone. Everything might be rosy right now but how would she feel in a couple of years, if not months? While her friends woke up to go to school, studying or eyeing on the most good looking guy in school, she has to wake up, get the breakfast ready for her husband and after school, while others went straight to bury themselves in homework and tuition, she has to cook, wash, clean the house before night time where she has to do her wifely duties. How would she cope with pregnancy and morning sickness? She would have to miss school and probably even more after she gave birth. When her friends are burning the midnight oil for PMR and SPM, she is awake at night tending to her babies. What would she decide, if let’s say she got a place at a university that is far away from the place her husband is working. What we she do when she met a lot more men when she grew up? Would she still love her husband or resent him?

Did the Syariah Court, her parents and hubby think of all these? What are the criteria before such a marriage is allowed? Section 8 of the Islamic Family Law (Federal Territories) Act 1984 merely states:

No marriage may be solemnized under this Act where either the man is under the age of eighteen or the woman is under the age of sixteen except where the Syariah Judge has granted his permission in writing in certain circumstances.

By this section alone, there are no guidelines or fixed criteria on what constitutes “certain circumstances”. If there were guidelines, I just hope they are not parents’ consent, ability of the future husband to support and the girl has reached puberty!

Getting married just to stop the couple from any immoral behaviour is the smallest aspect of things; parents should look into the bigger spectrum of life. Perhaps they should start by watching the movie Juno or An Education (haha)! Your 14 year old kid may be getting her periods, with breasts, stopped playing with Barbie dolls and all – but they are still kids. Parents should know that teenage girls are also easily attracted to older men who seem to know the world. If only the girls waited a little longer, they would know that they too can have the world, on their own.

If the parents can’t see the big picture, the husband, who is a 23 year old teacher, should be able to. He after all is supposed to be educated and more level-minded. Having people like him as teachers makes me wonder about the quality of people allowed to be teachers of our future generation?

Teachers are not here just to teach but they are supposed to inspire our kids to reach their fullest potential. Here we have a teacher who got involved with an underage girl and in marrying her, he had coincidentally robbed her of her childhood. Something that he probably had, how would he feel if he got married at 14? Somehow he has no qualms from robbing his wife from hers. How is this teacher going to be a role model to his students in school? What is he going to say to his students, study and get married or enjoy your school life, get a job, be the best in what you do and then settle down? If he truly loved this girl, he would wait.

If the parents were responsible parents, they would have lodged a complaint against this teacher and get him transferred and as far away as possible from their daughter. Their daughter has a right to have her childhood and if Article 5 of the Federal Constitution of Malaysia means more than the right to live and includes the quality of life, then the parents, husband and the Sharia Court have clearly violated one of the most fundamental liberties of the Constitution.

It is a travesty when on the one hand rape with minors is considered statutory rape because they are under the age of consent and on the other marriages with minors are allowed. I am not saying the teacher is a paedophile but if he was, paedophiles should not be punished by allowing them to get married. Section 8 of the Islamic Family Law and any law of its kind should be repealed.

The 14 year old kid should stay a kid, no matter how much she wanted to get married; she is still a kid. There is a saying that childhood is the most beautiful of life’s seasons so do not lose it by rushing to grow up. If the parents and the guy truly loved her, they should encourage her to choose school, study, friends, gossiping with other girls about the best looking guy in their class, choose love and lost and love again, choose university, choose a career, choose independence. Do not choose marriage at the age of 14, do not make that mistake.

Choose life. Marriage at 14 is not a life.

Noreen Ariff loves being single but yes, she would like to get married…someday. She believes that people should only get married when they are mentally, emotionally and financially ready. Her LoyarBurokking here is on her own time, and her own views. They bear no reflection on the organisation she works for.

44 Responses to Getting married at 14

AgreeToDisagree
21 December 2010 – 9:16 am

hi @pointofview

Thanks for the kind word. I don’t like leaving room for misunderstanding by keeping elegantly silent or keeping people misinformed to empower myself, or to cause others to err then blame them, or give others reason to ostracise or abuse them after intentionally causing them to trip up (first hand to the N-th here), and this is the only principled way to communicate.

By being on an even playing field, though ‘stupidos’ could also be propagandists and advocates of authoritarianism via neurolinguistic programming half the time seeking to enrich themselves at the expense of the people.

These mental goons probably seek to propagate acceptance of 3rd world paradigms of tasering, abusive attitudes by counter staff, abuse of citizens by enforcement, shoot-first policy, entrapment, electronic harrassment, alongside other miserable and inhuman methods to enslave and contaminate democratic principles with grey area abuses while their family Oligarchs reserve MP seats and hand down the same MP seats between their children and grandchildren or sometimes partly hidden through cosanguinity (imagine Khairy marrying Nurul or something along those lines or every former PM’s child being a Minister or PM) . . . you get the picture (thats also how UMNO imploded with Pak-Lah-KJ vs. dr.Evil-Mukhriz creating so much resentment that so many disappointed voters ran for Pakatan and the same in Pakatan now causing voters to run for MCLM and KITA or becoming independents).

It is sheer inadequacy that makes these insane people go around spreading rumours or harming others. It is worse when those listening and believing the rumours are induced to act. What kind of justice or reparation can be sought? Those who broke the law should be punished accordingly or at the very least in kind. We have to keep aware and alert the public to such behaviour and seek to prevent continuation of such behaviour via educating the voters on such issues and building awareness for everyone to be wary of the modus operandi of such abusers.

And as we know a large portion of crimes are done by people who know the victim, so don’t be too excited or flattered or frightened by sudden boons or banes in the form of people or gift horses, they are easily inventions of the sick society we live in, right all the way up to the political parties in power.

pointofview
20 December 2010 – 10:32 pm

@ Agreetodisagree

I salute you for the facts that you have mentioned in your earlier comments to date. It is pointless to go into an argument or battle with some stupidos who can’t think out of the box. Anyway, bravo for justifying your points.

@ SiewEng

Yes, she made the right choice for her. A man and a woman or should I say a boy and a girl can meet in any circumstances, there shouldn’t be so much emphasize on the teacher student relationship. How if the cupid’s arrow striked between a doctor (a man) and a patient (a young girl 14 maybe)? Love is blind darling. It’s good if it ends up with marriage rather than other social ill issues. Right?

And as for others who have commented here…. start thinking out of the box. It looks like you guys are the ones living in the primitive world… go figure…

siewchinteo
20 December 2010 – 6:24 pm

at times it is difficult to reconcile how a person who “thinks out of the box” can actually accept hudud law…..or any restrictive law for that matter.

but what do i know – i am 3rd world and supports chopping off the head of anyone who harms a child.

AgreeToDisagree
20 December 2010 – 2:38 pm

No wonder the quality of our legal system is dropping. We have someone ready to deny facts than face them.

1) I understand every word that you have used in your reply . . .

But you lack the EQ or are afraid to absorb it.

2) But I think I speak on behalf of everyone here when I say, they seem to mean nothing when read as a sentence. Lol.

I don’t think so. If you read without thinking or trying to understand what is written that usually ends up bring the case.

3) No such thing as constitutional amendment when the basic structure of the constitution does not envisage the hudud law……ever!

Hudud does not need to exist upon Constitution. It exists in the hearts of the faithful in Islam, and those willing to be punished under it’s auspices. If you are a disciplined Muslim or a non-Muslim, no need to fear Hudud.

4) Once again, to keep things simple, go read your federal constitution you fucking nimrod!

Twist around trying to evade the facts, but facts remain facts. The federal constitution is not only to be read, but amended you fucking dimknob.

5) I also must add, you are one fucking dumbshit.

Speak for yourself. Still no case, now compounded by trying to evade facts with ‘value deducted’ sentence structures.

Let the readers judge the points (or in your case non-points) in this exchange for themselves.

Ali Davidson
20 December 2010 – 7:56 am

AgreetoDisagree,

I understand every word that you have used in your reply but I think I speak on behalf of everyone here when I say, they seem to mean nothing when read as a sentence. Lol.

It is just pure baloney.

No such thing as constitutional amendment when the basic structure of the constitution does not envisage the hudud law……ever!

Once again, to keep things simple, go read your federal constitution you fucking nimrod!

I also must add, you are one fucking dumbshit.

AgreeToDisagree
18 December 2010 – 3:35 pm

@Ali Davidson,

I keep walking into rooms full of establishment minded people who are unable to employ either critical or lateral thought. Or who wish to keep their fellow citizens in an easy manipulated state? I will presume you belong to the former category and so the responsibility falls upon to debunk yet again.

“You can’t apply Hudud la you dumbshit.” Is that so? Oh yes you certainly can apply Hudud.

Hudud Whipping? A Hudud signatory could call it a BDSM club with no physical contact to remain legal in Islam.

Hudud limb removal as pubnishment? A Hudud signatory could claim it was an association for treatment of body integrity identity disorder (BIID).

If Hudud is applied anywhere consensually under the above, the Federal Parliament have no say. And though it VAINLY claims to have the right to, the claim is absolutely inapplicable and should not even be brazenly misrepresented as being applicable. Dishonesty is a terrible sickness of so-called ‘Democratic Governments’.

QUOTE Journal of Applied Philosophy – “amputations should be morally permissible” on the grounds that people with BIID are not “globally irrational”. UNQUOTE

On this technicality and by the methods above, Hudud could be applied.

IT IS THEIR BODY, SO THEIR RIGHT ANYWAY, not for anyone to deny or legislate. More authoritarianism on your part? The constitution is a guideline that can change with time thats why there are CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS. Given the sorry state of Malysia’s judiciary and political paradigms though these CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS have not been applied.

The right to Hudud punishments is a negative freedom but still a freedom nonetheless. No group of citizens via rule of mob or supposed right of larger numbers, might in numbers has any right to enforce ANYTHING on anyone. That is application of ETHICAL principles to a very difficult issue.

The as you call it, ‘fucking’ constitution. doesn’t work and should be amended but isn’t amended because we have lgislators busy trying to steal taxpayer monies who do not understand that Constitution is a living breathing document that needs to have changes to accomodate the PEOPLE, *NOT* the PEOPLE change to suit it because numerically they are out numbered, by force of arms even!

No one is bound to obey an unconstitutional law and no courts are bound to enforce it. In the context of consensual Hudud vs. an inapplicable Constitution, guess where the Spirit of the Law lies? And that my ethically unaware or lazy minded friend, is the essence of Civilisation as opposed to the attitude of Malicious Compliance or brute force and punishment based on inapplicable words on a piece of paper. Teach a child to think by giving freedom, not hit a child into not thinking or imprison. Of course sheep are easier to herd, so it is easy to see who intends his charges well and who inevitably ends up abusing them.

The principle is the issue of victimlessness of an action and the right to self determinism. If there are spaces that can be made for whatever they wish experience, just you remember that the world and lands on the world belong to EVERYONE not those most numerous, with the most powerful weapons or the loudest voices or the ability to impose fines and jail terms by force of arms. The ethics of civilisation, be aware and apply!

This civilisation, the display of the tolerance of man, for the relatively minor weirdness that constitutes a mere fraction of the LIMITLESS POSSIBILITIES of what we perceive as reality.

Remember Stephen Hawking’s comments on Cthulu? Start thinking out of that box and stop putting people into it because you are too weak minded or LAZY minded. So many narrow minded and authoritarian people around? Making excuses for weak mindedness. Stop being lazy and TEACH responsibility not introduce/impose the Crutches of Authoritarianism on your fellow sentients. In a short while we could very well be having bio-engineered lifeforms ‘Spore’ style and brain transplants to boot alongside all manner of cybernetics. Does this mean a group who can’t wrap their head around these concepts has a right to demand others not be allowed to partake (after extensive ETHICAL testing to ensure no unwanted fallout occurs by any chance of course)?

“The tyranny of the many would be when one body takes over the rights of others, and then exercises its power to change the laws in its favor.” – Voltaire

So don’t tell me Hudud is so shocking. Its really very dull and not something I would chose, *BUT* the principal of the matter is that it’s that person’s choice and to respect God given free will and self determinism, we must at least make space for them to choose their own path. The world belongs to EVERYONE not the ‘majority’ alone. Spirit of Law. No more of this crudity, even against crudity.

For example, look at Section 377B, doesn’t exist in India or England. So why is it maintained here? To be used as a weapon. Every Malaysian who has had oral sex is guilty 377B and should be imprisoned 20 years and whipped. Were government to apply such laws instead of amending them, then we’d all be in prison.

So do you think the Constitution can be applied to Hudud even?

“If we don’t believe in freedom of expression for

people we despise, we don’t believe in it at all.”

– Noam Chomsky

As Anwar was a victim of entrapment, so this trial doesn’t count. When a kangaroo court is in session, another political enemy is made to bite the dust. Again spirit of the law trampled by the judiciary’s negligence to amend, by unconstitutional powers to appoint judges, by abusing where people find most pleasure or necessity (like extreme taxes on vehicles) or inflicting Concessionaire Highways and Vehicular-APs on citizens.

Also, understand what ‘cultural relativism’ and ‘free will’ mean you dimknob! So who’s the dumbshit now? Let the readers decide! Pathos without Logos! And don’t mention the Fed or the Constitution, that would be Ethos without Logos! No logic, means no case.

Ali Davidson
18 December 2010 – 9:41 am

AgreetoDisagree,

You can’t apply Hudud la you dumbshit. It is the Federal Parliament that sanctions the level of punishments for the Syariah courts.

Read your fucking constitution you nimrod!

AgreeToDisagree
18 December 2010 – 2:44 am

@Ali Davidson

“Syariah law in Malaysia is archaic and primitive.”

True. But people who WANT HUDUD even, have a right to live by Hudud. Though imposing any law without consent is also wrong. Hudud is livable if you are very disciplined, but most Muslims can’t really do it. That is PAS’s weak point. If PAS makes Hudud applicable on a signatory basis, with all Muslims still under Syariah Law as well, PAS would be quite strong. You could even say that any PAS Malay is an honest and non-corrupt Malay who is a proper follower of Islam. They need to be apply Hudud in this manner or they will chase Malay voters away.

With Tok Guru’s condemnation of Bumiputraism as APARTHEID and ex-Perlis Mufti Dr Mohd Asri Zainal stating Bumiputra is akin to Zionism amonst others, PAS is quite popular in contemporary Malaysia among the minorities.

On the ethical scorecard, PMBK CEO Datuk Abdul Ariffahmi Abdul Rahman being asked to quit by Tok Guru to prevent conflict of interest sets a precedent probably in the whole of ASEAN, though here and there instances of extreme wealth have surfaced, though not as shocking as in BN.

Casual Analysis of Malaysian parties (International links wise) :

1) PAS is the safest where national security is concerned, other than ties with a mostly neutral German delegation, they look absolutely dedicated to Malaysian sovereignty.

2) DAP, as oligarchic and nepotistic as PAP is colluding with PAP on illegal technological fronts at USA’s behest, USA itself is beholden to the Zionist lobby.

3) PKR has Wolfowitz and others linked to Zionism as well though recent distancing of US from PKR’s ANwar make PKR slightly better for nationl sovereignty though NEPOTISM and OLIGARCHY in PKR however are so serious that MCLM and KITA have been set up to counter that in PKR.

4) The double faced Zionist-APCO link, damns Barisan no end.

Don’t laugh at Syariah or even Hudud Ali Davidson, it’s their choice if they really want it and have not been coerced. Self Determinism also applies in liefstyles like Hudud or those luddite minded Amish Mennonite communities in the USA. It’s a free world, don’t disparage that and even help others fight for their right to SELF DETERMINISM.

Ali Davidson
17 December 2010 – 10:44 pm

Just do away with Syariah law in Malaysia and you’ll have peace and harmony!

Syariah law in Malaysia is archaic and primitive.

I laugh each time I hear about Syariah law in Malaysia.

AgreeToDisagree
16 December 2010 – 3:15 am

That line is abit over the top and loses by itself, but you get the picture lol. But the arguement is won elsewhere in the repartee am very sure.

Awang Berbahaya
16 December 2010 – 1:44 am

You guys are a bunch of loonies.

REPENT from doing SATAN’s work? ROTFL

Saya tiba2 terbayang adegan seorang penceramah ajaran sesat dalam filem yang kononnya ada kuasa ajaib untuk memulihkan penyakit hanya dengan memegang dada pesakit.

@Agreetodisagree- I think you have lost your argument.

AgreeToDisagree
16 December 2010 – 12:12 am

England is the flunky for going on a 10th Crusade against Saddam for double standards on 2nd Amendment Rights and causing near 500,000 deaths. A holocaust only upped by the Ameri-Indian Natives in USA and Canada and South Americas.

I will indulge your skewed perception on free will and your attempts to turn the public against people trying to ensure open opinion and free mindedness.

What do you mean so by default what you say is not relevant and holds not water? Flunked Logic 101?

Because we advocate self determinism, and children who are psychologically mature or who will come to less harm being married than being jailbait, does not mean we are paedophiles. I personally am more inclined to Borticelli than Loli phenotype though if @pointof view is into the latter, and everyone is consensual to marriage including parents, why should there be an issue?

Marriage and childbirth dignifies the tween or teen (especially if biologocally capable) and transitions her into a woman and MOTHER, not some mentally immatured ingenue long past her biological fertility, that that too is a choice that must remain open to the fairer sex.

Did you think the stork dropped off babies at the orphanage and that only aging women are entitled to adopt and raise children, who are sometimes forcibly placed there via child alienation?

Even male-male homosexual couples are permitted to adopt and raise children, (by the initiative of a certain alter ego I would hope?) why do you seek to forbid young couples in love who chose to become life partners?

During tribal times where all was untamed wilderness, when 2 people matured, they would probably leave the tribe to set up their own family and start ‘experimenting’ much earlier as well. Was there a law then? Then the male would take out his bow and arrow and . . . HUNT animals (OMG someone call PETA! Duh.). (No I wasn’t going to get explicit.)

Then there is the ageism issue, is difference in age any indicator of maturity or a reason to place a barrier to consensual marriage?

NEUTRAL SPACES for thought and living! Autonomy!

Go hurl your stones somewhere else and put those pitchforks and torches to better use, like against an abusive government which far too many have vested interest (perhaps you are one who profits from the proliferation of ‘charities’, orphanages, child services, or child alienation lawsuits? REPENT from doing Satan’s work by speaking for his Satanic social engineering structures and leave us independent citizens alone.)

All religious institutions running as businesses as well had better empty those coffers full of sequesterd funds that never benefit society, PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING, EVEN DYING OUT THERE.

It is YOU who is advised to seek medical help for your lack of logic and attempt at tarring anyone by calling them paedophiles. God knows they’ve made a sacred taboo of freedom to marry alongside religion without more people egging the ‘self serving charitable’ on.

Oneofthesedays
15 December 2010 – 10:28 pm

@pointofview @AgreeToDisagree

Looks like you flunked England too….

You are a couple of pedophile supporters so by default what you say is not relevant and holds no water.

My advice to you is to seek medical help for your sickness.

siew eng
15 December 2010 – 7:49 am

“She probably dont know or understand what she is getting herself into but I think she has made the right choice for her.”

This reminds me of Noor Kumalarasi who said she’d follow even the hadiths that are daif.

How well the teacher taught the student!

pointofview
14 December 2010 – 8:46 am

Oneofthesedays

You must be a joke… math? go figure the world… I didnt flunked my maths or language but making a simple point that if that teacher guy made his decision to marry the 14 year old girl then he should be ready to double up his duties. 14, 24 or 30 the house chores or what you call as maid duties should be shared to build a good marriage. Obviously, you dont have the capacity to understand that.

FarFarAway
14 December 2010 – 1:12 am

Generally, the law of the land (which would have been gazetted normally after discussion, debate and consultations) should be observed.

However, in Msia, there appears to be two sets of law and these need to be streamlined – after a fair discussion/debate/consultations, of course – where a legal minimum age for marriage should be set clearly.

AgreeToDisagree
14 December 2010 – 12:11 am

@Oneofthesedays

“If you can’t tell the diff between 14 and 24 you must have flunked math :)”

You don’t need to know math for wifely duties, to give birth or nurse children. The poorer husband though would require doubling up for cook’s or even maid’s duties though, but the same do not need math either. In fact math is not even needed for housebuilding (the traditional way) or farming crops or mining. Do we need math or even language for that matter? A club and a cave is more important than math.

Oneofthesedays
13 December 2010 – 9:12 pm

pointofview

if you can’t tell the diff between 14 and 24…you must have flunked math 🙂

pointofview
13 December 2010 – 11:43 am

By the way, the age gap between my husband and I is 9 years. We have a beautiful daughther. And I must say that, I’m a happily married woman and I’m enjoying every bits of my life to the fullest with my husband who once was my teacher.

pointofview
13 December 2010 – 11:32 am

I dont understand why this issue of a teacher marrying a student is so provoking to the society. I’m married to my teacher. The difference is that we waited until I finished my studies and got married at the age of 24. See, this girl has made her choice by marrying the teacher at a very young age. We are nobody to judge her or the teacher. She probably dont know or understand what she is getting herself into but I think she has made the right choice for her. I’m not condoning their actions but sometimes when you are ready to get married…just go ahead and get married. If not, the right person to come by will take sometime…or maybe not at all.

As for the parents, I dont think they want to escape from their parental resposibility. They just dont want to see their daugther being unmarried, have sex and get pregnant. So, by marrying her to that guy will ease their worries. Sometimes, when you have daughthers, the right measure should be taken to prevent wrong doings. Just think of it that we are reversing the time to early 40’s, 50’s or 60’s….where women get married at a very young age and build their happy families.

p/s: this is for the writer:

before you loyarburok about others, please do some research and gather your facts and point of views. Just dont hantam people. Anyway, you are single. What do you know about getting married or being married?

Charlie
13 December 2010 – 4:02 am

Speaking as someone who does not live in Malaysia and who has never lived in a majority Muslim community, and therefore probably more removed from the emotions behind the debate, I wasn’t surprised to hear that children of 14 are getting married in Muslim countries (after all, the prophet Mohammed pbuh himself married multiple wives (11) one of whom was betrothed to him at the age of 6 and the marriage was consummated at 10 (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad’s_wive…. In this context, I was relieved that there was not too much of an age gap between the newly married couple (only 8 years) which is a pleasant contrast to the extremes we see in truly undeveloped places like Afghanistan: See this picture of a 40 year old man married to an 11 year old girl that won Unicef Photo of the year http://www.metro.co.uk/news/80298-under-age-marri….

That said, I (and I expect many others in the West) do perceive marriage at such a young age to be a practice of countries less progressive than Malaysia, and I was surprised that there is this “loophole” in Malaysian law that allows the marriageable age of 16 to be broken if sanctioned by a Shariah court. I think it is scary and undesirable that such a court could sanction marriage to girls much younger than 14 if it wanted to. I think there should be a lower age limit on this power. What that age limit should be should be a topic of debate for the Muslim community in Malaysia.

Looking at marriageable ages around the world, the trend is to raise them not to lower them. The trend is also to stop the practice of children getting married. In 2008 Egypt raised the marriageable age from 16 to 18 and also outlawed female circumcision (a barbaric practice which I believe many of my Muslim brothers and sisters in certain countries have tolerated for too long). Even Saudi Arabia and Yemen (among the most prolific for child marriages) are also looking to introduce a minimum marriageable age. Such action is largely in response to outcries at what their indigenous populations saw as morally reprehensible behaviour in a marriage context (e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nujood_Ali).

So, I think that is good news for the world. I am pleased that Malaysia is not having more extreme stories of forced marriages with larger age gaps coming out and I am also pleased that there is a willingness to debate these issues openly. No country is perfect, but through debate, willingness to change and pursuit of principles of fairness we stand a good chance of making our countries better and more harmonious places to live.

AgreeToDisagree
12 December 2010 – 3:14 am

What have you seen at 14? Why can’t you wait?

Well after picking the husband of choice or being picked by a successful suitor, or having an meticulously and astrologically soundly calculated arranged marriage (with someone not too noxious to oneself), the now matured woman (maybe in her late 30s onwards), may still choose to ‘see the world’ after raising her children to adulthood.

Who says a lfestyle has to be linear or binary? Try thinking out of the box, and while saying it is justified by Islam is the lazy way out, I think the Prophet would concur with my entirely secular and logic based views on the matter.

It IS okay for minors to get married. But only after many considerations are to be factored in. Best of luck, and don’t wait too long for ‘true love’, by biological factors, some things are best enjoyed and more viable while young!

Noreen
12 December 2010 – 1:02 am

Hi All,

Thank you all for your comments again. I am happy that my article has generated views both from those who are okay with underage marriages and those who are against it. And so, thank you for your concerns Crystal. I am touched.:-)

Who would have thought that there are people who are okay with underage marriages? Seriously. Again, seriously?!!

I feel compelled to comment again because I do not appreciate being called as someone who back-out from a war and having accused as someone with a perverted, corrupted mind who failed to understand the attributes and teachings of Prophet Muhammad.

The reference to stoneage is a metaphor to a time different from ours and to minds that somehow have not caught up with the 21st century. It wasn’t supposed to be read literally as a prehistoric period where man made tools from stones.

True, I agree that Prophet Muhammad’s marriage to Aishah is an exceptional case but is the teacher like Prophet Muhammad and is the kid like Aishah? Abu Bakar As-Siddiq blessed the marriage between Aishah and Prophet Muhammad because of:

(a) to reinforce friendly relations between him and the Prophet;

(b) to educate and train Aisha so she may served the purposes of Islam; and

(c) to teach her to utilise her capabilities for the sake of Islam.

If (note-IF) the parents’ intentions for approving the marriage were:

(a) to escape from their responsibility as parents; and

(b) to legalise sex between a minor and an adult.

Then, I feel sorry for the girl.Marriage is no child’s play and this was why the last paragraph of my article above was styled in the manner of the last dialogue in the movie Trainspotting. It is to evoke images of choices,empowerment, independence and there is more to life than getting married. See and experience the world first, then decide. What have you seen at 14? Why can’t you wait? True love waits.

To say it is okay for minors to get married because the Prophet did it to me is the same as saying it is okay for parents to kill their kid as a sacrifice to Allah. The same way as Ibrahim almost killed Ismail before being rewarded for his loyalty and faith with a big sheep sent down from the heaven to be slaughtered instead of Ismail. Sacrifice in this modern age has taken into a more in depth meaning if not metaphoric and is more than slaughtering the sacrificial sheep.

Farha’s suggestions to me is a happy compromise and while I respect her views, I still stand with what I have written. To me there is no compromise in underage marriages. It should be banned altogether.

As for the teacher and his newly married child-bride, good luck.I wish you all the best and may you have a blissful marriage.

Have a good weekend everyone.

zenonidenoni
11 December 2010 – 7:33 am

The Prophet Muhammad SAW is a mercy sent by Allah to mankind. His acts and his words were never driven by lust, his wisdom came from Allah through the the teaching of the Angel Jibrail. It is in your perverted mind that think their marriage was by lust, then why not the prophet married 10 young girls, why did he married only one while he can have them all, nobody was going to question the prophet back then. But he did marry only one girl and not making her as his daughter because a stepdaughter in Islam is not allowed to access much of his private life, which in fact, very important to us Muslims to learn about his way of life. The hardness of his life not only felt by him, but also his daughter Fatimah and all of his nine wives. He acted not upon his desire nor lust, but his actions were always guided by Allah. And people would slander him if he took Aisyah r.a. as a stepdaughter. You guys had not read nor study the life of the prophet or other prophets, so you will not have any idea other than what in store of your perverted, corrupted mind.

zenonidenoni
11 December 2010 – 7:17 am

I’m out of this argument. No point arguing anymore. I had made my stand, deliver my message that we should not intervene with the marriage, for fear it may cause them to separate. We should be supportive, not destructive, they are already married with the consent of their parents.

Who are we to decide that playing and going on school trips are good for her. We should grab whatever opportunity to do good deeds and shall not delay it for tomorrow for fear that the chance might go off. We don’t even know what is going to happen the next second, we can only assume. So, please, janganlah bersangka buruk dengan orang lain. Goodbye.

Crystal
11 December 2010 – 5:41 am

Dear Noreen,

Do not be disheartened by some of the comments by your readers. The way most Malaysians reacted to this news, we all know how the majority feels about this. And I very much agree with U-En Eng. This is not about the girl’s rights to get married. The questions really is about whether she is mature enough. I know some 14-year olds who are very mature, but why can’t it wait? If you are so confident about your love, why not wait?

And so many of you are not parents. Neither am I. But I shudder to think that there may be a teacher in my nieces schools who may be flirting and having a relationship with them! Parents are supposed to protect and prevent their children from making mistakes. How can a 14 year old really know what marriage really is and what she has committed herself into? What is the point of “building a family life early so by the age of 40, their children can help and support and build even bigger family.” Why not 20+??

And so many talk about the ‘legal’ aspect of marriage. Sex with a minor is still SEX WITH A MINOR, married or otherwise! MARRIAGE DOES NOT MAKE A KID OLDER! Marriage is not just a “holy union of two souls with god as witness”. It’s a lot of work, work that 14 year olds may not be capable of. Work that is not necessary for a 14 year old. She should be playing and going on school trips and having fun with her friends. How can you say she chose it when she may not even know what the hell she is talking about?

U-En Ng
11 December 2010 – 4:46 am

Do we trust a 14-year-old (or any girl on the basis of her first period, regardless of age) to drive a car? Buy a house? Work in a factory? Get a credit card?

If there is an element of prejudgement in preventing underaged marriage (in that it deprives an individual, regardless of her age, of choice), aren’t we also bound at least to consider that an individual’s capacity for deciding *ought* to be tested by *sufficient maturity*?

farha
10 December 2010 – 11:18 pm

There are pros and cons to marrying at such a young age. In those days (yes, i HAVE to make that comparison), girls marry young but usually because their families have arranged for it…rarely does the girl marry out of their own volition.

Today, if the 14-year-old girl (who recenly is in the press) marry because she want to, to the guy who is right (at that time), feels she’s capable, why not? She have the right to get married…this i don’t deny. However, she also have the right to an education that supports teenage mums.

I think, then, there has to be some kind of guidelines to i)ensure they remain educated; or in worse case scenario, ii)be able to re-join school if she don’t want to attend school for the time being (for whatever reason)

(e.g – how many times can these young mums defer PMR/SPM if they take maternity leave? is there ‘compassionate leave’ for them if they need to attend to sick babies?)

kaza
10 December 2010 – 10:35 pm

Intresting article, Noreen. Funny comments from ‘some’ readers thou…

zenonidenoni
10 December 2010 – 8:34 pm

Oneofthesedays

quote – when are you marrying your 14 year-old?pedophile defender = pedophile

so nothing you have said has any credibility.

the pervert teacher should be arrested for rape and not be allowed near children unsupervised ever again.-end quote-

wah,so nice of you to accuse someone who you don’t even know. Do you understand that pedophile is a person who had sex (unmarried of course) with a young person. Between a legal husband and wife, you have no jurisdiction for that. And I always think it is nothing wrong to marry early, they are not rob from their childhood, they are building their family life early so by the age of 40, their children can help and support and build even bigger family.

By the way, my gf is a nice beautiful and charming 24-year old lady whom I’m going to marry her if Allah permit when I have enough money.

p/s: A writer should write responsibly.

AgreeToDisagree
10 December 2010 – 6:04 pm

hi @L,

1) ” and as Marina Mahathir had said in her column in The Star, marrying a teenager just for the sake of preventing “social ills” such as pre-marital sex can actually lead to bigger social ills like abuse, lack of education for the female bride therefore lack of her ability to fend for herself and thus have to be entirely dependent on her husband to decide her life for her as per his will…etc.

Not in every case. And with a strong and watchful (DO NOT BE ‘offensively watchful’ – try malicious compliance, for respect for her husband is critical to their marital bliss – warning all so-called feminists to check those attitudes in advance, especially older jealous jilted/unmarried ones) community setting I mention, ‘fending’ will be very unlikely.

As for ‘conveniently saintly’ Marin ‘Evil’ Mahathiru who looks potentially to angle herself via MCLM as Malaysia’s First Female PM, and the spectre of her becoming Malaysia’s First Female PM in true DYNASTY/OLIGARCHY form after her father dr.Evil, is just too horrible to mention. dr.Evil would never face a trial, and the ‘pity my father’ and ‘since I am also PM’ ploy will be all too obvious by then. She would likely to protect her father, whitewash Ops Lallang, or the Vehicular AP system or the APARTHEID or billions worth of ILLEGAL shipping bailouts, closed tenders, free contracts, unpaid and ignored bills and illegal movements of funds for Marina’s brothers Mirzan and Mokhzani.

By vested interests Mirzan is a director of at least eight companies listed on the Kuala Lumpur Stock Exchange. His private company, Peringkat Prestasi, a large stake in Lion Corp. His Konsortium Perkapalan Bhd, a listed haulage and logistics company, controls almost half of Malaysia’s road freight market. Imagine the number of freely given contracts this guy got!

Mokhazani, ex-UMNO Treasurer, is worth well over a billion, through his vehicle Kenchana Petroleum and much of the undistributed NEP wealth through a network of subsidiaries and proxies. Imagine the number of close tenders this guy got!

Careful of MCLM simply by the association of committee post bearer Marina to her brothers and by extension dr.Evil Mahathir! Blood is thicker than water and in the nepotistic and oligarchic world of blood relations, ALL the Rakyat are but water, so NEVER vote for those who by association attempt to protect those who have harmed Malaysia so much over the past 22 years. I’d drop MCLM for fear that friendships between Haris/RPK and Marina would be a protective last pitch weapon coordinated by the evil Mahathir in the background somehow. To play it safe, I’d advise all voters or current MCLM supporters to look for other options than MCLM or set up as private candidates instead. A 3rd Force is indeed needed but MCLM by blood association to dr.Evil, has too many holes for any cautious voter’s liking.

Citizens, run as private candidates instead if you want a 3rd Force so badly.

2) those who advocate this practice are supporters of a repressive patriarchal system who believe a woman’s purpose in life is to be a good wife and serve the man, who then will have all the rights to determine her life for her. Women are humans too, in case you have not noticed. Women have the right to choose…yes…some may choose marriage. but if at a young age, how sure are we that that choice is a choice made by an uninfluenced mind with a clear and rational idea of what she is committing herself towards.

Not necessarily again. Do you know what joy a child-like mind who has indulged and lived out whimsical decisions can accrue in the years to come? She will always say, I always had my way. And that is part of the magic of having a young bride that you may never know because of your distrust or lack of access of the strong supportive community as I mention.

Such settings are few but should be encouraged, and by this way of upbringing, the next generation of adults would be equally joyful and privileged, to influence society to a happier and freer world. I partook of a different form, (not a child bride) and here I am sharing what I have ‘gained’, though throughout there was much anger at the freedom I always felt and still wish to share.

The gain I mention above is incalculable as opposed to the devastating social engineering occurring this day. Though with caveats as in my earlier comment. Think deeper and in the right setting and conditions, the above culture is a wonder and luxury to behold that while out of reach to most today, should really be extended to all peoples of the world in time to come.

AgreeToDisagree
10 December 2010 – 5:46 pm

hi Noreen :

You said ” My question is why not? Writers write, readers decide.”

True but entirely neglecting the finer point I will now discuss below.

But too many people don’t really know their own mind or have had time to develop the intelligence or linguistic skills to make their own opinions or even develop their personality *shock* – schooling is something I feel should begin AFTER age 35 when a stable core personality has developed.

That is also why the AGEISM issue in uniformed or enforcement recruiting – a very vicious agenda that strips a young individual of the opportunity to develop themselves. Do you think a matured soldier who has lived as a civilian would torture prisoners as in Abu Gharaib? Go to war when the reasons are wrong? Hardly, so the young and vulnerable are being targeted and as an matured person (which I assume you are, note I used the word mature, because old age does not make for maturity) it is a responsibility for the conscientious to prevent such ‘collateral damage’ (in afflicting self determinism or formation of opinion) which I see many writers in many online mags or blogs neglecting to address entirely.

So when you write, you could end up inadvertently subsuming any opinions a reader might have had or that were in formation! Especially the less intelligent ones or those from lower socio-political classes who have been inculpated with ‘approval seeking’ natures.

Perhaps forums should have a rating system or warning (by the Information Ministry – which obviously is a propaganda machine with no sense of right or wrong, save for the political forces currently at sway) on the above matters to better prepare the readers for strong opinions that effectively end up as an imposition of ‘social engeineering’ without ‘informed consent’.

For added responsibility and respect for the free will of others to avoid this problem, such safeguards and considerations must always be met and never trivilised or neglected unless we have an ‘agenda’.

Now I do not know you well enough to judge that you have been tainted by communication with such people but if you are, please drop those guys, even if they pay you a salary to spin, and begin writing CONSCIENTIOUSLY and in a NEUTRAL manner.

As we communicate, more problems are identified and better ways of communication and social development are discovered. I think there are many who would find this exchange on the issue itself and the ‘why not’ you have brought up useful. Also very appreciative on the replies! Some article writers only want to pontificate and never engage or discuss as if theirs was the gospel tructh, others twist your comments via selective moderation, I really appreciate this and our so-called ‘aduns’ should learn to communicate with the Rakyat who voted them in after all.

Nice chatting!

KoE
10 December 2010 – 4:58 pm

I’m surprise that the writer failed to understand that the teachings and the attributes of Prophet Muhammad PBUH are universal and stand correct across the time

Oneofthesedays
10 December 2010 – 4:53 pm

@zenonidenoni

when are you marrying your 14 year-old?

pedophile defender = pedophile

so nothing you have said has any credibility.

the pervert teacher should be arrested for rape and not be allowed near children unsupervised ever again.

L
10 December 2010 – 1:48 pm

i enjoy reading your article. it is refreshing to see how some people in the community have a strong opinion against such a practice.

just because marriage has legalized sex with a minor, it doesn’t mean that it is not paedophilia. that is an extreme view, i am aware of that. but such a view cannot be dismissed altogether.

and as Marina Mahathir had said in her column in The Star, marrying a teenager just for the sake of preventing “social ills” such as pre-marital sex can actually lead to bigger social ills like abuse, lack of education for the female bride therefore lack of her ability to fend for herself and thus have to be entirely dependent on her husband to decide her life for her as per his will…etc.

those who advocate this practice are supporters of a repressive patriarchal system who believe a woman’s purpose in life is to be a good wife and serve the man, who then will have all the rights to determine her life for her. Women are humans too, in case you have not noticed. Women have the right to choose…yes…some may choose marriage. but if at a young age, how sure are we that that choice is a choice made by an uninfluenced mind with a clear and rational idea of what she is committing herself towards. some laws need to be enacted to protect people from their closest people, their love interests, families and even from themselves, in order to adequately protect their rights as a human, deserving of every freedom a human is entitled to.

zenonidenoni
10 December 2010 – 9:54 am

You can’t just declare a war and then back off..

But hey, no need to raise the alarm, I come in peace. And I did not say you insult the Prophet SAW. Only that I read that you talked about stone age in one paragraph, and the next paragraph you continue with a doubt about the Prophet decision if he was here. There is a link of ideas going on.. which I understood you wanted to say that the Prophet lived in the stone age…something like that.

And hey again, I think we should say to the girl to learn to be a good wife, and we should say to the husband, be gentle to your wife and we should say to their families we support you although we differ in our actions and decisions because we know this is not wrong and it has nothing to do with public opinion because this is their private life. Or just say something good and not being “buruk sangka” to other people.

Noreen
10 December 2010 – 7:38 am

Hi All,

Thank you for all your comments. It feels great that this article has evoked many thoughts and opinions. You have made me more inspired because the worst thing about writing is not having any readers at all.

Anyway: –

Dear Zedoninonini,

I am sorry to disappoint you but I am not taking up your challenge. Firstly because I am fully aware of my credibility and credentials when I wrote this. I do not have to prove this to anyone, certainly not to you. Secondly, I do not how you read the article, I did not insult Prophet Mohammad. Thank you for your comments.

Dear Agree to Disagree,

I see your points and if I had not formed any opinion on the issue of underage marriages,I might actually agree with all that you have just said. One point though, when you said “writers should not make opinions on any lifestyle as if it were the only way to live”. My question is why not? Writers write, readers decide.

zenonidenoni
10 December 2010 – 5:45 am

Salam, I am here to defend the Prophet Muhammad SAW although he does not need anyone to defend himself, but I’m doing it because I love him. Therefore O Writer of the Post, I have seven questions to challenge your credibility to have your opinion made public and yet accepted upon this gray issue. What you had wrote will surely applauded by disbelievers who always looking not by the wisdom of the Deen of Haq. Herewith are my questions:

1. Regardless of your marital status, what will you consider a marriage is, a gift from Allah, natural selection or a curse?

2. Have you studied intensively the story of the Prophet Muhammad SAW that you come to a conclusion that he will not get married to Aisyah r.a. if they live in this modern age?

3. You said, “I have forgotten that times may have changed but some minds are still trapped in the Stone Age.” Well, do you believe that there was a period in time called the Stone Age? What do you think when I say that there were the Age of the Prophets and the Age of the Kings and the bones and potteries that were found in the caves that are claimed to be from the Stone Age were just from people who somehow got disconnected from the ancient civilizations and beside that, there will always be foolish people all around these ages to believe that there was a Stone Age?

4. Do you know the teacher, the girl and their parents that you can just ignorantly depict them as the third world people? By the way, what world are you in? The dark matter world?

5. Can I blame you and other people that are with the same tune as your opinion in this matter if the marriage mentioned above fail? Why? Maybe because you are not being supportive to them and that make them in a state of under public pressure and scrutiny.

6. Don’t you agree that by marrying early enable the girl to learn and master the art of being a good and pious wife earlier than you do?

7. Why do you think the Prophet married Aisyah r.a. at her tender age?

P/s: Somebody posted this thread on a forum I used to follow (Darksiderg.com, under the column Banana Republic)

QUOTE

i just dont think its right to follow the preachings of someone who has sex with nine year old girls or takes his sons wife for his self because god told him to after he seen her naked.

END QUOTE

Here lies my answer to such accusation.
http://tinyslave.blogspot.com/2007/11/insulted.ht…

AgreeToDisagree
10 December 2010 – 12:23 am

You can’t have everything, so either choose :

(1) the marriage route which is a luxury in this day and age or

(2) the education and work route which most middle class types are forced to because they have no choice.

But nobody should have any lifestyle forced upon them or promoted as the only lifestyle as well. If future hubby is too poor to hire a maid (no more cleaning), a cook (no preperation of breakfast or meals) or a child minder (no more looking after of kids) or even a wet nurse (no more feeding, though most mothers probably would), then look at your family stature and decide if he is suitable for you. The above ‘chores’ should not be presented as a set of DEMANDS of marriage but are as optional as the young brides’ preference. Some might ENJOY the tasks and even refuse to let the hired help do the work. It’s not unknown and the sheer domesticity of ‘chores’ is the basis of happy marriages, depending on the personality of those being considered!

Affairs of the heart can always be fulfilled at any age, once biologically capable and with INFORMED CONSENT and knowledge of parents and community. Attachment to a husband is something that varies greatly between women, so early marriage is just another option and adds diversity to viable lifestyles that deserves the support of society as well.

Meanwhile the government could have a preparatory syllabus drawn up for young brides, and make sure the local Wanita branch of whatever party locally, is always watching over and constantly in communication with any young wives to make sure no abuses occur. This should make sure that all husbands (stop with the AGEISM which is no better than RACISM, old age is the breakdown of a body nothing else) treats young wives well and instills a sense of responsibility as well.

Writers should not make opinions on any lifestyle as if it were the only way to live. In truth, some girls would be very happy and fulfilled as a mother early in life, while others would not. So a study of the personality of the would-be bride should be done by parents on both sides and NEUTRAL matured people/professionals who do not advocate either life style as gospel truth the way this writer does.

Light demogoguery by Ms Ariff? She has chosen a path that she prefers or was swept into. The least the writer can do is to let others choose their own way of living without any pushing in any direction. That is the nature of free will and self determinism. Let all choose who to love, and when to marry, preferably after the above social checks and balances and opinion feedbacks have been made.

Steven
10 December 2010 – 12:16 am

Would statutory rape for minor below 16 years apply if the husband has sex with his so call wife.

Serious Shepherd
10 December 2010 – 12:09 am

Set of law A says:

-Killing foetuses is legal

-Adultery is legal if you and your partner are above 18 years old

-If one of the partners is under 18 then it is a statutory rape, even it is done through marriage

-If both are under 18 and commit adultery, then has to come out with something like Romeo and Juliet laws (let’s say both are 16)

Set of law B says:

-Killing foetuses is illegal

-Thou shalt not commit adultery regradless of age. Harsh punishment awaits. Khalwat raiders are always on active duty.

-It is legal for a guy above 18 to marry a girl under 18

If a community already adopts set of law B then there is no need for set of law A to be imposed on them. It’s like doing moral policing to a certain community who later complains on ‘imposing their moral values on others’.

anak_perelih
9 December 2010 – 6:01 pm

many 14 years old girls nowadays are having sex with their boyfriends… not a surprise…

[[[ *** RESPONSE *** ]]]

Not meaning to be critical but try this lullaby :

Hush, little baby, don’t say a word, Mama’s gonna buy you a mockingbird. (What does a baby need a mockingbird for? How about mixing with fellow babies at a crech?)
And if that mockingbird don’t sing, Mama’s gonna buy you a diamond ring. (Guess this is not ‘Career Woman’ Noreen’s bag? And yes thats really too early . . . )
etc. ends with :

And if that horse and cart fall down, Well you’ll still be the sweetest baby in town. (Horse and cart? Try singing about teats, cribs and bibs first ‘Mama’. ‘Mama’ in this song increasingly feels like a ‘Replicant’ from ‘Bladerunner’ (Ridley Scott 1982) not knowing or confounded by the difference between Tortoises and Turtles . . .

So guess what, the rest of the song here continues ‘gifting’ things that aren’t very useful to a baby or a child and ends with . . .  still be the sweetest baby in town . . . OMG the ‘Psycho’ scenario! The whole song appears to be geared towards not wanting baby to grow up or leave (horse and cart fall down . . . )?

Guess mothers even of that day were THAT clingy and selfish or didn’t know what a child liked. A mockingbird?!? Really? Does that come in a cage? How about something more cheerful and boisterous like so many songbirds in the wild which are free? And WHY must that dog be pre-named ‘Rover’? Baby or child might want to name their dog themselves, who knows baby or child prefers cats or no pets at all?

Good intentions without consultation of the receipient or consideration of the recipient’s preferences make for meaningless pontificative communication . . . Sigh, this lullaby is depressing and smothering – promise rewards for being quiet when QUESTIONING and DEBATING – AMENDING/APPENDING (to) FLAWED CONSTITUTIONS and BAD LAWS! So Noreen, how could anyone try to ‘imprint’ an article upon the readers like this much like the above lullaby does – imagine the negative subliminal effects such ‘lullabies’ might have on the subconscious! Freedom of choice is best and THAT covers APOSTASY and choice of sexuality, something Malaysia does not have. Noreen, taking away choice to get married young is no different than being forced to marry, and in this day and age, people love to stand out, no surprise that when everyone is studying those individualists who want to stand out will purposely get married and become mothers! You’re raining on an individualist Noreen, even as you yourself have become ‘Pro-Establishment’ (. . . probably, though perhaps I am too hopeful . . . ) without knowing so.

How about running for election on the below 3 items as an independent Noreen?

1) Freedom from Apartheid/Fascism (Article 1 Human Rights Charter)
2) Freedom from Religious-Persecution/Religious-Supremacy. (Article 18 Human Rights Charter)
3) Equality for all ethnicities and faiths in all aspects of policy, Law and Constitution. (Surah An Nisa 4:75)

;and lower election deposits to 150.00 instead of 15,000.00, remove ALL road tolls (Freedom of Movement), remove AP (remove crony-capitalism), lower import taxes to DUTY FREE (remove state/retailer collusion to fleech consumers), end Forced Military Conscriptions (end rent seeking),

distribute unused land to the homeless (socialism but would you rather have 1% plutocrats with an angry 99% homeless, debt ridden, becoming gangs of thieves/robbers, or NGO ralliers running around, or distribute and aloow them to slowly build their homes into castles, contentedly smoking weed or poppy sap, chewing coca they grew in their own backyard for free and eating food they grew themselves?). Malaysia is a land of plenty, we do not need taxes, illegal immigrants being given free citizenships out of sheer racism or religiosity, and fees every step of the way right down to the apartheid and extreme religion. This is just step 1.

When the above all happens, then will new things appear for humanity – at least in Malaysia. If we can’t even do the above 3 for a start much less what I just listed, at least don’t try to ‘Lowest Common Denominatorise’ or ‘Streamline into Conformity’ individuals that have the strength to go against the mainstream.

ARTICLE 2

18-Year-Old Busted for “Selling Child Porn” of Herself – Author: Artefact – Date: Jun 28, 2010 23:20 JST

An 18-year-old girl has been arrested on child pornography charges for selling nude pictures of herself online.

The girl, an 18-year-old unemployed resident of Saitama, was arrested on charges of selling child pornography after she sold nude pictures of herself to men online using an Internet bulletin board.

Reportedly, from December of 2009 to April of 2010 she took a number of pictures of herself naked with her cellphone, in one case selling 33 to a pair of patrons for ¥12,000.

She identified customer bank accounts, allowing police to identify 147 customers who paid her a total of ¥1,070,000 ($12,000). It is not clear whether police will be pursuing charges against them.

She admits the charges, saying she used the money to pay her rent and food bills as she had left home.

18-year-olds, though still technically minors under Japanese law, are perfectly legal to portray pornographically in Japan – although unconfirmed, observers think the most likely explanation for her arrest is that some of the photographs were of her when she was still 17, though naturally this hardly constitutes “child pornography” in the eyes of most.

The arrest has proven contentious amongst Japanese – some have denounced it as a typical abuse of a bad law in order to terrorise minors into chastity, whilst others express disgust at police and mass media which insist on calling an 18-year-old a “shoujo” instead of a young woman. None can identify a victim involved in the crime.

Ironically, she would not have faced any charges had she just had sex with the men for money, or sold them her pantsu, even if she was a minor at the time – Japanese police never take legal action against “child” prostitutes, except apparently when they happen to take pictures of themselves.

Even more ironically, in most parts of Japan a schoolgirl can be procured for much less than the patrons mentioned paid for a few dirty snaps…

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Innocent-Guilty Questionaire Factors (Yes/No questions determine what charges can be brought on. treat each question as a Juror).

*Abstract Factors
1) Who initiated the first move (threw the first punch)? Was this ‘serial’ / ‘habitual’ in nature or due to ‘natural feelings of ‘love’?
2) Was act Consensual-Non-Coercive / Bribe-Pressure Induced (Did victim feel taken advantage of? Perpetrator’s view of advantage taking form could be created.)
3) Was the victim psychologically mature and intellectually capable of understanding relationships, has studied the subject sufficiently to make informed decisions? Psychological maturity could be tested to determine age for right to consent regardless of age.
4) Cultural norm/practice justification?

In this Sankaku example, factors 1, 2, 3 can be discounted. Factor 4 is debatable to a 50/50 degree.

*Material Factors
1) Onset of puberty another determining factor (Increases right based on uncontrollable chemical/mating instinct?)
2) Physical maturity another determining factor (Increases right based on ‘can carry to term with no significant risk to victim’ as in life threatening Caesarians being required as opposed to having capacity for natural birth, regardless of pregnancy or non-pregnancy after the act)
3) Is the victim a financial dependent? (Debatable : Financial dependent allowed/disallowed regardless of maturity AND if underage OR pre-pubescent may not be allowed to consent regardless of psychological maturity? Further – Can the law demand that Parental consent is required without trampling on self determinism and creating uproar among religious demographic? Is fiscal and statuary age based control of right of sexual association unconstitutional? (Leads to child labour laws AND psychological maturity issues / Application to pornograpy and media?)

In this Sankaku example, all 3 Factors can be discounted.

Verdict : 0.5 out of 7. Not guilty. Free her now with reparations pls., her ‘legal system unaffirmed’ human rights are being trampled on.

ARTICLE 3

NOW, even 6-year-old girls say they want to be ‘SEXY’ – Friday, 20 July 2012 18:22

Today in bleeeeeeeeuuuuuurrrrrrrrrgh, a new study in the journal Sex Roles suggests that girls as young as six years old are concerned with appearing “sexy.” As in, sexually attractive. To other people. With their bodies. In public. At the risk of getting all preachy about “the children,” I’d like to invite you all to join me in a rousing chorus of, “Holy shit!!! The chiiiiildreeeeeeen!!!”

Now, obviously “sexiness” doesn’t really mean anything to little kids, as much as they think they understand it. If my collection of wide-leg pants, head-bandannas, maroon clogs, and polyester potato sacks is any indication, I definitely didn’t get a handle on sexiness until I was like…24. At least. 25, maybe. Do I even know now? Whatever. I didn’t know what it was or how to do it, but I knew that I wanted it—because, in the grand scheme of things, the girls that had “it” were the girls that got what they wanted. Sexiness is the source of our power, society says. It’s what makes you a girl. So only, like, a baby snail in a coma would be naive enough to imagine that that attitude wouldn’t trickle down to the children. Kids are sponges. Which means that now kids are sexy sponges. Bleurgh.

Researchers presented 6- to 9-year-old girls with a series of paired paper dolls: one doll in a “sexy” outfit and the other in a trendy but full-coverage outfit.

Using a different set of dolls for each question, the researchers then asked each girl to choose the doll that: looked like herself, looked how she wanted to look, was the popular girl in school, she wanted to play with.

Across-the-board, girls chose the “sexy” doll most often. The results were significant in two categories: 68 percent of the girls said the doll looked how she wanted to look, and 72 percent said she was more popular than the non-sexy doll.

Girls who played sports chose the non-sexualized doll more often. Girls who both watched a lot of TV and had mothers with “self-objectifying tendencies” were more likely to choose the sexy doll. But on the flipside, girls who watched a lot of TV but received “maternal instruction during media viewing” (i.e. smart, attentive moms who made sure to call bullshit on bullshit) were somewhat more protected from self-sexualization. Media-consuming girls with religious mothers were similarly non-sexualized. However, perhaps most interestingly:

Girls who didn’t consume a lot of media but who had religious mothers were much more likely to say they wanted to look like the sexy doll. “This pattern of results may reflect a case of ‘forbidden fruit’ or reactance, whereby young girls who are overprotected from the perceived ills of media by highly religious parents … begin to idealize the forbidden due to their underexposure,” the authors wrote…”low media consumption is not a silver bullet” against early self-sexualization in girls.

And that gets directly to the heart of my feelings about this whole creep-show. The knee-jerk response is to blame Katy Perry, and Sydney Bristow, and Bratz dolls, and brokeback lady heroes. There’s no comic book lady-lawyer with a bionic briefcase whose superpower is competence and whose costume is a sensible pantsuit. That doesn’t exist. And that particular cultural flaw certainly doesn’t help little girls prioritize brains over butts. But it’s still just an intermediate symptom, not the cause.

Here’s the cause: Exactly one jillion years ago (historical accuracy courtesy of Lindy West, Lady Anthropologist), some genius decided that the human body was shameful. Especially the female human body. And the disgusting, shameful human body needed to be cloaked at all times, or else DOOM. Certain religious people (see above) are especially excited about this idea. Except simultaneously, some other genius decided that the female body is a precious, possessable commodity that can be sold and traded and hoarded like big floppy flesh-bucks. So that creates this crazy taboo where everyone is clamoring to see naked female bodies all the time, but they feel weird and guilty about it, which makes them mad at females who show their bodies too much, but also makes everyone worship females who show their bodies just enough (but also kind of hate them at the same time). And then women hate other women with “better” bodies, and little kids get the message that they’d better have the “right” kind of body and display it in the “right” way, or they’re screwed. It’s waaaaay more complicated than that, of course, but my point is that our entire relationship with human bodies is FUCKED.

There’s nothing objectively shameful about a body, which means there’s nothing objectively shameful about those outfits on the “sexy” paper dolls. (You never hear some badger mom complaining to Mole-ry Povich that her litter “dresses too sexy,” because that is just some weird shit that humans made up.) A “slutty” outfit is nothing but a different configuration of fabric. But because of the aforementioned taboo, and the commodification of the female body, and the way that certain religious folks combine those two things in the most fucked up and oppressive way possible, bodies mean everything. And 6-year-old girls internalize that and wind up “wanting” things that they don’t even understand: things that (supposedly) telegraph sexual desirability, things that (they think) will bolster their tiny ailing self-esteems. Things like, if this study is any indication, some shitty pleather bustier from the bargain bin at Lover’s Package.

And then we blame…pleather? Nope, sorry, this is our mess. You can froth about Barbies and shame Katy Perry all you want, religious mothers, but remember: you made Katy Perry.

-=jezebel.com

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Narrow minded display. That article is only true of a a certain demographic though the article itself creates bias in the readers who are not particularly familiar with or generally applying of critical thought, the voices mentioned above may be loud or even a majority but why should anyone care? There is also the set that wants to be in diapers and be breast fed by their mothers up to their tweens or worse, until ‘Psycho’ (1960 Alfred Hitchcock) scenarios occur but even that is their right though the murder was illegal and undesirable ( unless that was somehow subconsciously desired by Norman’s old mother). Other mothers sleep around, give birth and do not care about who does the adoption. Yet others collect as many orphans as they can to appear ‘cool’ and ‘kind’ while dripping evil on all other counts. This kids and sexiness thing is probably another fringe group who have parents that allow or foster or hacve been involved (gasp!) in this. Must be aware that generations ago, showing an ankle or even the neck was ‘sexy’. So who made the writer Ayatollah? People INCLUDING children will choose their preferences and regret the same or not later. Thats what being an individual is all about not biological age, though consent and free will of the child must be considered (i.e the child may want to continue family behaviour even if negative or may opt out the key issue is if the child has be taught to decide if said child wants to or not of said child’s free will).

The writer sounds really old and narrow minded here. There will always be burkha wearers even as there will be nudists. Or psychedelic organics smokers and those who avoid the same people and substances like plague. MINORITY OF ONE is a human right. It’s just that freedom of expression now FOR CHILDREN is much stronger than ever. Humanity is evolving even as fashionably outdated type memes will most certainly endure. Why rain on some kid’s ‘sexiness parade’? When people attempt to normalise anything or when everyone is a clone THEN that is more fightening. By sheer value in diversity, anyone should feel happy this is being expressed, though there should also be a open ended manual for children to study and be tested from, and discussion on what could or could not happen rather than NON-CONSENSUAL imprinting by parents, religions or society in a manner that subsumes a child’s free will which is what the 1st World and modern society or the ‘Minority of One’ concept (which is almost never practiced in law) is all about rather than the child’s own natural inclinations which must also be differentiated from stronger minds manipulating from the background in a form of ‘psychic dictatorship or ]’psychic subversion’ much like cults of personality that can demand all followers suicide and the group actually does that.

I.e. for a further example of free will – sex predators, which again some kids could actually want to ‘tame’ (or who knows HEAL with . . . , let your imagination run wild but this response at least comes from a Borticelli bod type lover . . . ), YES the fearlessness of the young is something that could change a sex predator brought up in older, less free willed times, the interactions are boundless – (and here we have ‘@jezebel’, yeah right – whats so ‘jezebel’ about snarking at kids wanting to be sexy? There will be some happy endings, some weird situations not too healthy, some though less – happy and even plain abusive where we must really step in but hardly on the above ‘want to be sexy’ example) – but in the history of mankind, probably most instances were not reported because internet media was not present. Stop nitpicking or being a control freak unless a particularly unpleasant incident happens. A below 10 kid loses their virginity. So? In some cases the kid themself might not even care and grow up into a career woman or get married as a mother without the psychosis that plagues those who come from strict prison-like chastity belt wearing convents or where parents beat children with belts and canes, or where even a slap or vicious scoldings could turn a child into some kind of hateful boss that enjoys bullying subordinates, or that loves to sabotage society by writing bad laws or even refusing to amend bad laws!

The frequency of ‘strange’ events like ‘kids wanting to be sexy’ is not increasing, more likely, we are just aware of the events because of new media and that society has chosen to live and let live rather than scream and spaz out in terror becuse these are not the values they are used to. Much like Burkha wearers and women forbidden to drive. They have a new voice and dare to express. So shaddup @jezebel, this dangerous potentially retaliatory, demogogue rousing musing bores the hell out of everyone. Ask around I’m very sure there are some who regret what not, but also some who would do eveything all over again, the point was to live for the moment, and the physical shell of the moment is but  a reflection of commitment to reality beyond the physical, which is why some these youth appear so feckless – there is nothing left out there except values and religions that threaten to leave one’s souls even emptier, little wonder they run straight into to subculture or even BDSM lot!

So yes if somehow things work out in some strange way, we the responsible adults (who do not demogogue) MUST let them as private individuals do what they want. Some may even choose suicide victim or abuser, but the soul knows when and why, and we cannot presume to act on or manipulate on any other soul’s behalf as if we had none of our own and wanted to interfere in  any other’s spiritual evolution. This is not pleasant or safe to say, BUT – if a victim gettting raped or a rapist getting away is part of that in some twisted manner, so that some sick pedophile gets a soul of their own (a soul for a rape event is WELL WORTH, and the attacker could go on to great things if we do not destroy them and they humannise fast enough to empathise with the victim etc..) or prevents the next Anti-Pope from being born, who knows what we could be causing if we prevented or pre-empted something else. Nature’s paths are many, and the mass killer who randomly kills Columbine style, could very well be killing some person who might give birth to someone who studies well as a nice scientist who ends up developing virulent poisons for some souless ‘Weyland-Yutani’  (refer to Aliens 1989 – Ridley Scott) type GMO/Genesplicing-toting corporation, or develops mind control technology that vicious minded dictators will destroy the free will of man with, or even brings black plague to the American continent etc..  . . . in the past? WHO ARE ANY TO DARE BLOCK FATE?

Here’s one mass murder that could have averted a Red Alert ‘Yuri’ (2001 EA Games) scenario where the world ends with all Humanity wiped out by mind control. Imagine if the below Holmes character got together with Biopolis Neuroscience Singapore and developed mind control technology that was inserted into BABIES brains at nanoscale or National Service Trainees on their 18th birthdays . . . aren’t we all glad Holmes flipped out instead of becoming a ‘Kroenen Nazi’ (Hellboy I – Guillermo del Toro 2004) under the employ of Nepotistic Dictator types?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2176579/Dropout-PHD-student-massacre-12-cinema-screening.html

Perhaps an intergalactic war could be averted because a cockroach was not stepped on and some insect-like aliens were pleased into putting that planet into the lower priority conquest list (lets return after conquest of planets that stomp on bugs more than this one . . . ). How does one know? Perhaps because some pedophile killed in this life (for those who believe in rebirth) because in a past life that pedophile was killed by that same child who victimised them? Do we know how this works? Know past, present, and future? If some kid dresses sexy in some abstruse manner that keeps pedophiles distracted so that they do not become a sexually frustrated and trigger happy nuke fire control person (if I were a military chief of a country with nukes, I’d make very sure that Mr.Push-the-Red-Button is well laid and has all the poon and sex he wants ALL THE TIME), that would kill millions and irradiate the planet. This would require an adult services industry for the unmarried AND a legal system where multiple wives were legal and upfront so that both married and unmarried types will have access. The spin off benefit would be that 2nd Amendment Rights would be very safe to have as well – Mr.Redneck would be happy knowing he could kill you with a shot and thus does not feel the need to go on a killing spree, though genuine psychos could well still be present! Check the mindsets of the potential buyers, licence guns etc. but to prohibit is stupid and insulting to intelligence, which again could upset people into smuggling and using guns as often as they can in some oblique form of protest at lack of right to bear arms!

I’d say lets turn the whole world into a red light district that also has organic psychedelics bars, distribute land and wealth equally, so that everyone was relaxed and pleasantly distracted than being put into situations that cause, frustrate or necessitate them to want to bend reality even as they bend in reality’s wind. See the angriest religion? The most capitalist country? Guess how unqualified they are to be morally pure/fiscally sound but so willing to commit acts of terror/so bankrupt . . . And here we have @jezebel wanting to diss ‘kids trying to be sexy’. These PERSONS (do not labelise as kids) are doing something not so nice as viewed by most of us who do not like that sort of thing, but sure as hell if adults don’t understand (much like heteros will never understand some people are gay, or bisexual), adults better shut up and see whether the kids or insane or the pedos are taking our souls or saving the world first, before firing socialised abuse without any warning, much less killing shots (in collusion with an already insane psychiatric establishment) that destroys persons engaging in general discussions on ideas like ‘kids trying to be sexy’.

We are not party to these people, have no right to judge, but can and should study and ask why and how FIRST, yet not condemn or prevent except in cases of coercion or unwanted and abusive grooming. This really is the best way – Live and Let Live . . . because things happen for a reason and must happen. That person left unmurdered could result in the murder of millions more simply because the system took out or disabled the would be murderer first. The fact might be that a murder in a particular neighbourhood was necessary! Lots of very bad people who have not been punished in former lives, dare think to presume to let them escape when ‘Punishers Through Time’ appear on the scene? How close or well studied are any to say? There will indeed be signs and thieves of signs covering up for more on the run from justice . . . stay the judgment from a past life but punishment will still arrive.

Civilise or stop a murderer and another will arise to claim the prize, do the job . . .  Legion is many and reaches the ends of all civilisations and sentients in the Universe, Mankind cannot even manage their own planet’s ecology, preserve and maintain species diversiy or raise their lesser setient charges to a state of equality (try Cetaceans and Canines, Felines even Rodents) much less handle issues of equality and abuse in societies within Humanity on Earth . . .

‘God’ or ‘Nature’ created EVERYTHING, including the birthers, predators and cullers, quakers, Earthquakers of who and whatever. A cyle of life across time and dimensions needs predators or overpopulation will destroy or cause harm to societies of the prey. Thwart that immense will and unseen intent at severe cost to the Universe, to indulge the evil of one’s own fat or sanctimonious ego . . . This response is NOT  intended or to be twisted to be in favour of sex oriented paedophiles (FINALLY – the word paedophile is not necessarily sexual btw, just straightening out hegelian dialectic floating around the use and abuse of the word demogogue style.Declaring one’s own ‘paedophilia’ (not recommended these days until the above written sinks in) is not sexual deviancy – good understanding of vocabulary says so current trends have twisted the word out of context – LEARN about hegelian dialectic and apply against government!!!  . . . , so now think back to how people who dislike kids are really almost safer and less mentally exhaustive to be around in certain ways, yer lazy brains . . . bleeeeeeeeuuuuuurrrrrrrrrgh indeed.

QUOTE “ . . . anger a Foetal/Foetid, end the Universe . . . ” excerpt from “Events, Event Horizons and Relations (and Bendings in) To Time” (by @Post Millenial Avatar)

Former RAF sergeant, 60, revealed as transsexual named Foxy Roxy is jailed for offering kinky sex with boy – By Daily Mail Reporter – Last updated at 9:06 AM on 8th February 2012

In advocacy, organic psychedelics advocacy, Prostitution, psychedelics, red light district legalisation, Sexuality, social freedoms, spirit of the law on February 10, 2012 at 7:52 am

A transsexual former RAF sergeant has been jailed for eight months after he was discovered offering sex services with a 15-year-old boy.

Martin Shaxted, 60, who used the name Foxy Roxy, appeared at Canterbury Crown Court yesterday to admit a charge of keeping a brothel and three counts of making and showing 32 indecent images.

The court heard that police officers had raided his home in Cliftonville, Kent, in December 2010 and discovered the boy.
Jailed: Martin Shaxted has been locked up for eight months after admitting keeping a brothel and three charges of making and showing indecent images

Jailed: Martin Shaxted has been locked up for eight months after admitting keeping a brothel and three charges of making and showing indecent images

But the prosecution accepted that Shaxted believed the boy was 19, rather than his real age of 15 after he confessed to police.

The youngster also admitted smoking cannabis and taking ‘legal highs and poppers’ and engaging in sex.

Police who raided the home also found child abuse pictures on Shaxted’s computer and took away objects including sex toys.

During the hearing Oliver Saxby, prosecuting, told how Shaxted had advertised his services online

Military past: Shaxted, who used the alias Foxy Roxy, served in the RAF for 23 years

He admitted meeting the youngster at a bar but denied encouraging him to take part in sex with other men.

Diaries revealed his services had earned him annual totals of £5,620 in 2008, £5,180 during 2009 and £5,955 in 2010.

The court heard Shaxted was a former RAF sergeant but no details were given of his military records, apart from the fact he served for 23 years.

John O’Higgins, defending Shaxted, said: ‘He became associated with a person who masqueraded as a much older person.

‘He took up escort work five years ago. But he did not entice this young man into providing the services.

‘He is not in the best of health and is now a recluse and is very embarrassed.’

Judge Adele Williams rejected a call from the defence to suspend the sentence because ‘of the kind of experiences he could expect in prison’.

Judge Williams then sentenced him for eight months after telling him: ‘The mischief here is this, that even though you believed him to be 19, he was in fact 15 at the time.

‘You are 60 years old. You allowed a very young man to be providing these services. But I accept you did not exploit him’

Shaxted was also ordered to sign the Sex Offender’s Register.

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Whats so illegal about a brothel per se? Brothels offer sex workers safety in numbers and create a sense of community, a communicative atmosphere and camaraderie of companionship with people doinmg the same work. What is so offensive? Whats so illegal about making and showing indecent images especially to persons obviously matured enough ‘appreciate’ the images? Some people subsist on a diet of porn, others exist off making porn. What’s criminal here?

The judgment on the teen is good, but the sentence of 8 months is meaningless, which taxpayers want to pay for that jail stint? Porn is everywhere (actually it’s just art in nature of people unclothed in general . . . ), enjoyed by not everyone but a democratic and human right for those who do enjoy porn. Finally brothels in spirit are harmless! This judge is wasting taxpayer funds and colluding with prison contractors.

‘I’m a figure of hate’: Single mother of 14 slams critics who brand her a scrounger by Deborah Arthurs – Last updated at 4:35 PM on 1st February 2012

In Germany, mothers, Sexuality, women on February 3, 2012 at 11:09 am

Joanne Watson responds to critics on TV show 15 Kids and Counting
40-year-old insist that she regrets their infamy
Pays £27 a week rent on four-bedroomed house while receiving £565 in benefits

Squeezed into a four-bedroom council house in Guernsey lives a woman branded the UK’s most prolific single mother.

Joanne Watson, 40, has 14 children, ranging in age from three to 22 and survives largely on state benefits after the breakdown of her marriage in 2010.

Once celebrated in endless articles in the press for her clan of immaculately turned-out blonde children, who were then supported entirely by the salary of her hardworking husband John, Joanne Watson and her family have now become figures of ridicule – and even hate.

Mum of Britain’s biggest family Joanne Watson, 40, left, stands at the head of her 14 children at their family home in St Martin, Guernsey: From left to right, Indianna, three; Tallulah, four; Armani (known as Arnie), five; Nerilly-Jade, seven; Lilly-Arna eight; Charlie, nine; Febrianne, 10; Brittany, 11; Caitlin, 12; Georgia, 15; Mariah, 16; Shanice, 19; Bradley, 21; and Natasha 22

The family’s bubble was burst four years ago when an accident meant John, 46, had to give up work as a lorry driver.

The financial pressure of caring for his 14 children meant John made a decision he will forever regret. As his health improved and with bills mounting, John claimed benefits while simultaneously taking some earnings.

He was caught, and the man who for two decades had been seen as the model father was sent to prison. The couple, who Joanne says had been arguing for years, separated and divorced.

‘I feel pretty sore about what went on,’ John says now. ‘I’ve been married 20 years and been a good father. I’ve worked hard. Nobody can say I haven’t, because I have.’

‘I did get done for benefit fraud,’ John admits.’ But I paid my punishment, I went to prison and I paid all the money back.

Joanne leaps to her ex-husband’s defence. ‘He wasn’t doing it to go on holidays and buy mobile phones,’ Jo says. ‘He was doing it to support us.’

The publicity the case attracted has made life – one that was already played out in the public eye – yet more difficult for the Watson children. Georgia, 15, says her regular appearance in the papers makes life at her school in St Martins very difficult.

Quality time: Joanne relaxes with her 14 children in the garden outside their family home

‘When we’re in the papers, everyone talks about it at school the next day,’ she says. ‘Last time I was in the paper everyone was discussing it. People were leaving messages on my Facebook page. There were over 100 comments and not one of them good.

‘A boy at school the next day saw me and said, “Oy, what’s a Watson doing here?” I said I’d been here all along but he said I shouldn’t be there because there was too many of us.

‘We’re only a family. We’re like everyone else,’ she adds.

But Georgia is not entirely like everyone else. She is a sweet, calm girl with an outlook that is mature beyond her years. She helps tirelessly at home: planning school uniforms and packed lunches for the rest of the children, bathing her three-year-old sister Indianna and putting her to bed.

While her home life is no doubt happy and full of love, she has, perhaps, missed out on some of the carefree moments that children in smaller families take for granted.

Last time I was in the paper everyone was discussing it. People were leaving messages on my Facebook page. There were over 100 comments and not one of them good.

Son Bradley, a professional boxer, says the taunts are never-ending.

‘If your name is Watson, it doesn’t go down too well,’ 21-year-old Bradley says evenly. ‘They never say anything to my face, but your ears are always burning. I don’t like it, but what can you do about it?’

But while the children of the household struggle with life under the microscope, Jo is defiant about the public’s reaction to her and her brood.

‘When I was in town this week, a woman looked at me and said, “Oh look, it’s the baby-making machine.” I just glared at her,’ Jo adds. ‘Sod them all,’ she says. ‘This is the way I am.’

Despite Jo’s ability to rise above the attention though, it’s clear that her children despair of their mother’s continual procreation – and of their own cramped (if always neat and tidy) quarters.

‘Our family is huge, laments one of the littlest boys. There’s a new one born nearly every year. Being in a big family is horrible. If she has any more, that’s it, this house won’t fit us.’

Indeed, the house is full to bursting. With 11 children still living at home, getting ready for school is a military style operation, with little uniformed bodies filing out of the front door in a seemingly endless line. Packed lunches are a production line involving bags of fruit and dozens of sandwiches. There are mountains of washing to be done daily – 56 loads a month, to be precise.

Supplies, supplies: Joanne at home with her weekly shopping

Joanne pays only £27 a week rent for the house, a heavily subsidised fraction of the normal cost, receives a total of £160 a week in family allowance for the 11 children still living at home, and another £405 a week in supplementary benefit. But money is still tight, and a budget must be adhered to.

And since her marriage broke down, with a little help from her children, Jo has to do it all herself. But despite the workload, Joanne believes firmly that ending her crumbling marriage was the right thing to do.

‘When I was expecting my 14th child, my husband phoned the papers to tell them so they could arrange a photoshoot. But I refused to do it. I couldn’t go on playing happy families. It’s not right. I couldn’t take any more. The way we were arguing, I didn’t want the children to hear it any more.’

Since her marriage broke down, Joanne has been on the look out for a new love – and hasn’t given up on the idea of having another baby.

In the hopes of meeting a new man, Joanne signed up to local dating agencies. But even there she met with prejudice.

One dating agency refused point blank to have her on their books, saying the men they dealt with wouldn’t want someone like Joanne.

‘She made me cry,’ says Joanne. ‘She said the men wouldn’t want someone on state benefits, with so many children, or living where I live.’

But Joanne has developed a thick skin. Last year, Joanne was left devastated when her pregnancy with what would be her fifteenth child ended in miscarriage. She had fallen pregnant just three weeks after embarking upon an affair with leisure centre worker Craig Le Sauvage, 35, who was an old neighbour.
THE WATSON CHILDREN

Natasha, 22
Bradley, 21
Shanice, 19
Mariah, 16
Georgia, 15
Caitlin, 12
Brittany, 11
Febrianne, 10
Charlie, nine
Lilly-Arna, eight
Nerilly-Jade, seven
Armani, five
Tallulah, four
Indianna, three

Two weeks later, she split up from Craig, who subsequently told his story to the papers. Headlines appeared: “How I escaped the baby machine”, talking of how Jo bombarded Craig with texts begging for a fifteenth baby. Joanne was devastated, but now says that nothing people say about her can match the hurt of losing the baby she named Billy.

Fighting back tears, Jo looks through a box of scans and tiny foot and handprints from the little boy.  ‘Holding his little body, seeing his tiny feet and hands. That hurts,’ she says. ‘People criticising me, slagging me off, that’s not hurt.’

Joanne’s 16-year-old daughter Mariah recently had her first child – making Joanne four times a grandmother. The media glare this brought upon the family (and their decision to take part in Channel 4 documentary 15 Kids and Counting, which aired last night) means the Watsons are unlikely to be out of the headlines any time soon.

But Joanne, who once enjoyed the fame and notoriety her large family brought her, now insists she regrets their infamy.

‘I don’t want anyone coming to our house looking for a dirty story,’ says Joanne. I wish they would just leave us alone.’

Here’s what other readers have said. Why not add your thoughts, or debate this issue live on our message boards.

The comments below have been moderated in advance.

At least they’ve put into the system for years. Theres plenty of people out there that have never worked a day in their life and think their entitled to a free house and all the benefits under the sun.

– ECB, Devon, 01/2/2012 16:04

Rating   1

I’m glad she’s not my mother. I’d be mortified. And probably the last twelve of hers are, too.

– Bemused, West Sussex, 01/2/2012 16:04

Rating   1

I have to be honest here, they asked for this. They could of easily stopped at 2 or 3, I really do fail to see the point in having a large brood.

– Thor, Valhalla, 01/2/2012 16:03

Rating   3

Sooner or later one has to stop breeding. Lady, ultimately you brought this and have only yourself to blame. Should have tried taking contraceptives after the first child.

– lewis, gauteng, south africa, 01/2/2012 16:03

Rating   1

So this lady wants to be left alone!!! Well,I for one am fed up seeing her face in the media. If you don’t want the attention stop bleating about your family.

– A.M., Channel Islands, 01/2/2012 16:03

What a crackpot.

– jim dyer, newport wales, 01/2/2012 16:02

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I work full time, pay my taxes so she can knock out more kids and have them all paid for!? With her huge flat screen telly, and all the kids with laptops and her expensive brand shopping. Whilst I have a second hand laptop and buy cheap food, why do I bother!

– Louise, Kent, 01/2/2012 16:01

Rating   2

Not a scrounger indeed, so please explain how you would describe somebody who doesnt work, yet is willing to breed continually and expect the rest of us who do work hard to fund her lifestyle that sure sounds like a scrounger to me…

– sbr, essex, 01/2/2012 16:00

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She came across a dreadful , selfish individual and she wondered why men and women don’t have much respect for her. I felt so sorry for her daughter Georgia a bright kid who was mortified by her Mother’s behaviour, she got flack from other kids at school, on social networking sites, from people in the street and the expression on her face when her mother was all tarted up ready to go out and find another bloke to give her the ’15th baby’ said it all. She should do her children a favour by getting sterilised and attending to their needs and giving them all the attention instead of living in some fantasy dreamworld !

– Lowen, M’cr, 01/2/2012 15:59

Rating   5

So she thinks she is a figure of hate? She is an absolute disgrace to the word Mother with no consideration for anyone but herself. Does she intend to remain the age of her eldest child, or is there a chance she will grow up and do something truly constructive for her family?

– Roz Venner, St Neots, England, 01/2/2012 15:55

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It IS important to know that population and self-support issues would be tremendous if every one had 14 kids. You’e probably an exception in this day of women who can barely get through their pregnancy or refuse to get married settled down and have children. Genetically you are very valuable as your constitution is AMAZING ! 15 kids and in great health! However don’t do it unless you can support those kids, in this case the divorce is a mitigating factor against blame.  Keep it up if you can support those kids yourself all mothers out there.

Below is the Ehrenkreuz der deutschen Mutter or more colloquially Mutterkreuz or German Mothers Cross. This award was instituted on December 16, 1938 as part of Hitler’s initiative to encourage Aryan population growth, and so only women with pure Aryan families could achieve such awards.

Women from absorbed Germanic countries (such as Austria and Danzig) were also eligible. A mother could be awarded a bronze, silver, or gold cross depending on the number of children she had produced. Eight would entitle the woman to a gold cross, six to silver, and four for bronze. The above example is in bronze.

There were also unconfirmed reports that a Golden Cross with Diamonds existed and was awarded to a small number of women who bore between twelve and fourteen children. The crosses were awarded annually on August 12 (Hitler’s mother’s birthday), and the second Sunday in May (Mothering Sunday), hence the first of these were not awarded until 1939. Mothers who received a cross were to be saluted in the streets by the Hitler Youth upon parades, for service to Germany.

http://www.ai4fr.com/main/page_militaria__collectibles_germany_medals.html
http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/orders-decorations-3-reich/mutter-kreuz-dated-dec-1938-a-113915/utter Kreuz dated Dec 1938

Obtain one of the above with pride and remembrance, that in another day and age you would have been well loved in another country. Also to protect yourself as a form of lucky charm against the negativity the public has been giving you perhaps?
Sieg Heil!

S. Korean sex workers threaten to set themselves on fire to protect their brothels – by Hyung-Jin Kim – 6th July 2011

In 99%, Abuse of Power, Invasive Laws, Justice, Law, Sexuality, social freedoms on January 29, 2012 at 4:39 pm
(The Associated Press) ‘We know that we don’t have much chance of winning … but we’re ready to die fighting,’ prostitute says. A prostitute douses herself with flammable liquid during a protest in Seoul – Lee Jin-Man / AP South Korean prostitutes in underwear and covered in body paint douse themselves with flammable liquid on a street to show they’re willing to die during a protest in Seoul, South Korea. SEOUL, South Korea — The pimps and prostitutes of Yeongdeungpo start the day as if preparing for a siege, stocking their brothels with flammable liquid and gas containers. Large, red-lettered signs warn police that they’re willing to die to protect their livelihoods. “We can turn on the gas and light the flames,” said a 47-year-old pimp who would only give her surname Sohn. “We know that we don’t have much chance of winning … but we’re ready to die fighting.”
Nearly seven years after tough laws began driving thousands of South Korean prostitutes out of business, the sex workers of the Yeongdeungpo red-light district in Seoul are fighting back, spurred by what they say is an unprecedented campaign of police harassment. Since April they’ve staged large, sometimes violent, protests that provide a glimpse of the tensions in this fast-changing country as ambitious urban redevelopment projects encroach on old neighborhoods once known for their nightlife. Rallies by sex workers against police crackdowns crop up occasionally in South Korea, but the protests in Yeongdeungpo — which have drawn hundreds of other prostitutes, pimps and supporters — have been unusual in their size, organization and fury. The district’s 40 to 50 prostitutes describe their fight in life-and-death terms. At a recent protest, about 20 topless women covered in body and face paint doused themselves in flammable liquid and had to be restrained from setting themselves on fire. ‘Die gloriously’ The demonstrations come as new building projects around the country threaten gritty neighborhoods that are home to aging bars, street food stalls and brothels. If the prostitutes in Yeongdeungpo lose their jobs, they could struggle to find work elsewhere. “We are the people who eat, sleep and live here.
Where can we move?” prostitute Jang Se-hee said in an interview inside a large tent where sex workers were discussing how to resist police. The 36-year-old Jang, who wore big sunglasses with plum-colored lenses, her hair tied up in a bun, said her earnings have plunged from as much as $9,200 a month to about $3,700 since police began harrying the brothels in April. On a recent night, about 20 prostitutes stood in skimpy clothing behind pink neon-lit brothel windows, shouting out invitations to a few men walking along the street. Many brothels have suspended business because of the crackdown. Signs in those still open show their occupants’ defiance: “We will die here,” they read, or “I will pour fuel on my body and die gloriously.” Prostitution was banned in South Korea in 1961, but police rarely enforced the law. Tougher legislation was created, however, after a 2002 fire killed 14 women confined at a drinking salon and forced to entertain and sometimes have sex with customers. About 259,000 people, 70 percent of them male customers, have been arrested since the new laws took effect in 2004. Nearly 4,000 prostitutes have left their brothels, while 1,800 remain, and seven of the country’s 35 major red-light districts have disappeared, according to police records. Image: South Korean prostitutes wearing mourning clothes participate in a rally in Seoul Lee Jin-Man / AP Face-painted South Korean prostitutes wearing mourning clothes participate in a rally in Seoul, South Korea. Prostitutes and pimps say police have taken a new and aggressive approach in Yeongdeungpo that has driven away most customers: Stepped-up patrols, police cars parked visibly in the area and plainclothes officers watching with binoculars. Jang said police stormed the area three times in June alone, arresting three prostitutes and three customers.
“There hasn’t been this kind of crackdown before,” said Kang Hyun-joon, a former pimp who runs an association of prostitutes and pimps in South Korea. Sex workers suspect the nearby Times Square department store pushed police to act against the brothels. Police and store officials deny the claim. The National Police Agency says officers are also clamping down on other districts as part of a routine nationwide crackdown. One Yeongdeungpo police officer, speaking on condition of anonymity because of department rules, said police decided to shut down the brothels because residents increasingly voiced worry about young students passing through the area since the upscale department store opened in 2009. Blaze killed six It is not the first time South Korea’s development boom has sparked friction in older neighborhoods. In 2009, a police raid on a building occupied by squatters near another Seoul red-light district led to a blaze that killed six people. Protesters hurled Molotov cocktails at charging police commandos, causing the fire. The building was eventually demolished to make room for planned new high-rise buildings. Brothel workers and other critics say police crackdowns have unfairly targeted traditional red-light zones, while overlooking other sex businesses thriving in the shadows. Among those are “kiss rooms,” where men can pay for sex, and one-room apartments offering sexual services. Men can also buy sex at barber shops, massage parlors and karaoke bars on almost all major streets and through online social networking sites. South Korea runs nine support centers offering vocational training and psychological counseling to former prostitutes where they can work for a monthly salary of about $460 to $920, according to government officials. Many women, however, find it hard to adjust to new lives and to resist the better pay of sex work. Despite the social stigma, they drop out of the centers and return to prostitution.
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Don’t die ‘gloriously’ (a waste of life IMHO), it is foolish, as once you are dead everyone else will have no one to fight for them! Run instead for candidacy in all necessary districts and change the zoning or legislation. If you are dead whats the point?
Also if any sex workers do earn USD$9K a month (some of us have NEVER seen more than USD$900 a month), that sex worker has no excuse not to run for politics at all. In fact in some 3rd world countries as the one I am writing from, this USD$9K single month’s earning is enough to fund an entire election campaign! Don’t throw away your life you well loved pieces of meat thinking about going barbecue on the RLD fans, fight for RLD zoning and legalisation rights via politics instead!
Try the below flyer and adapt it to your local area Ms.Jang, and tell all your fellow sex workers that becoming a crispy corpse or barbecue will not help anyone :
If Jang turns into the 2nd, she’s ‘still edible’, we don’t need her to turn into the 3 or 4, we have food animals for that, 5 was just for good measure . . .
1 – Uncooked (also uncut? . . . )
2- Half cooked look . . .
3- Totally Cooked – Literal b1tch3s . . . (CULL/BUTCHER HUMANELY! At least until that lab grown version is here . . . )
4- Crispy (oily & rubbery rather . . .)
5- Yonder seated lady far right looks about ready for the pot (jk) . . .

Lawyer’s call for legalized prostitution stirs up a storm – by Dana Kay& Wong Choon Mei – M’sia Chronicle – 14 Aug 2011

In Abuse of Power, Invasive Laws, Malaysia, Sexuality, social freedoms on January 27, 2012 at 8:05 pm
Lawyer’s call for legalized prostitution stirs up a storm Angry women are up in arms over a call by a male lawyer to legalize prostitution. The lawyer had asked the authorities to do so when he was mitigating for a woman sex worker at the Magistrate’s court in Sarawak recently. It stirred up a hornet’s with wives and girlfriends taking umbrage at the suggestion to the extent that they flooded the PKR Women’s wing with phone calls to protest. An incensed Voon Shiak Ni, the PKR Women’s vice chairman, also hit out at the lawyer. She accused him of making a mockery of women, refusing to accept his argument that legalizing prostitutes was also one way to deter rape. Why was the study to prove such a sweeping statement, she demanded. “Rape is caused by sadistic men who want control, power and violence over women. It has nothing to do with making prostitutes legal. These are two different issues altogether,” Voon told a press conference. “This is one of the most negative statements to be used as a mitigation factor. Women should not be encouraged to go into the flesh trade and be used by men as it causes social ills, family break up and bring diseases into the home.” Oldest profession, so what? It’s a trade, Voon reasoned, that would mushroom to meet demand with women and young girls vulnerable to being treated as sex objects, without respect for them as people or human beings. Pimps would take control over their lives and they would be forced to entertain many clients with no consideration for their well-being, she fretted. She did not deny that prostitution was one of the oldest professions in the world and already entrenched in society worldwide. But that did not make it right or offer enough grounds to make it legal, Voon insisted. She pointed out that some prostitutes were forced into the flesh trade while others were brought in by human traffickers. “There were arguments that legalizing prostitution would ensure women would undergo medical checks frequently.
Now who is going to ensure that all these women will really go for checkup? All that is more easily said than done,” said Voon. She also warned deadly sexual diseases like HIV have increased and can be spread through the sex trade and taken ‘home’. At a course she attended recently, organised by the United Nations Development Plan, Voon said she was appalled to learn that AIDS was now spread more from ordinary homes rather than from ‘gay’ couples or homosexual-related activities. Since last week, the PKR leader has put up the issue on her Facebook page asking for opinions. Most people were of the idea that even if prostitution was legalized, there was no way that wives would allow their husbands to visit them. Legalization could not make prostitution respectable or acceptable either. For example, Voon said, a legal sex centre was not a ‘sports club’ where one would encourage the young to go. “We want the younger generation to work hard on their studies and improve their career, not seek out prostitutes.” She also cautioned that legalized outlets may charge higher and this in turn could make underground prostitution dens more popular. “It’s just like buying lottery tickets. Despite legal lottery outlets, there are a number of illegal ones,” she said. Don’t be a heroine at others’ expense So, is Voon right? Passionate she may be about women’s rights, albeit from her point of view, but some of her ideas seem to run contrary to the stand taken by several first world governments including squeaky-clean and conservative Singapore, which quietly legalised prostitution years ago. To many women activists, education and empowerment are the best ways forward for the female sex to be able to choose their own destinies. The gap against their male counterparts has already narrowed tremendously due to better education opportunites, although there is still a long way more to go. Within the industry, there are also many educated women who choose to be sex workers because of the money. To this group, there is nothing wrong and they appreciated the protection that comes with legalisation, although many wished it could be better. These women see Voon as a zealot, who must learn to distinguish between vice and human trafficking and offering sex as a service in a professional manner.
“These are totally different things. Of course, sex slaves and enforced prostitution that is due to vice and human trafficking must be stopped. It is cruel and I for one would contribute some money towards such a cause. But this is a problem due to poverty, the economy, and most of all, to the unscrupulous syndicates. This is a problem for the police and the enforcement people. To not legalise prostitution just because of this will harm other prostitutes,” a sex worker was kind enough to take the time to share with Malaysia Chronicle. “In the end, it is for the individual to choose. What the governments should do is to get them to a level where they can choose. How many women can really choose their own fates now? To you, it is terrible, to me – what’s the big deal? What is important is that everything is professional and safe and nobody is beaten up and taken advantage of. To me, it is important that I am protected, I get my pay and I deliver my services professionally. My client must also be professional. The law can help in this way. Women like Voon must think more deeply and not inflict her own philosophy on others. Who is she to do that? She should stop moralizing and trying to be a heroine at our expense.” – Malaysia Chronicle
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Try the comments on below link too in support of legalisation. It is consensual and not forced like military conscription (who knows the legalization could include clauses could be used to punish the adulterous rather than waste the prison system resources as well) : http://www.mmail.com.my/content/58974-little-india-still-big-vice Legalise in the right places but makes sure price controls are in place. This must be a priced controlled (i.e. minimum hourly wage) sort of thing, not a way for business cartels (not necessarily underworld cartels who would be quite happy to legalize than being raided) to impoverish the blue or grey collar worker types.
It is as laborious to have a few minutes of sex (this might not even be labour but leisure for the sex workers), as to work an entire hour on a production line or maintain factory equipment or repair a car. Apart from health checks and taking of client records required of licensed sex workers, suggest price controls for ‘quick session’ to be minimum hourly wage, and ‘hourly session’ based fees to cost no more than national average for a half day of shift work. Anything more would kill most ordinary folk. Sex is not just for VVIPs though, the greedy ones could register as Escorts who would likely graduate to being Mistresses or Catamites should section 377B be abolished for non-Muslims at any rate at least. Grow up, and the law should also reflect realities on the ground as well.
***Commentary : This comment was not allowed on Malaysian Chronicle. Selective censorship again? I suspect the feminist and dictator in the moderator (Was if you Choon Mei?!?) couldn’t stand to lose a dual system (Legal Red Light Zones) debate and struck off this comment you just read. Headline : Media portal integrity defeated by feminism oriented media dictatorship !

Pornography blamed for five-fold rise in genital cosmetic surgery requests by women – by Claire Bates – 24th August 2011

In Democracy, Informed Consent, Islam, Muslims, Sexuality, social freedoms on January 27, 2012 at 7:50 pm
The demand for genital cosmetic surgery among women has risen five-fold in just 10 years, according to NHS figures. But a new study has found that most women who request a ‘designer vagina’ do not need it. A study by Dr Sarah Creighton, from University College London, found most women requested it as they felt pressured to have ‘perfect’ sexual organs by pictures seen in the media. ‘Women are bombarded with images suggesting they are not normal,’ she said. The latest figures for England show around 2,000 NHS-funded procedures take place each year. Dr Creighton led a team from the Elizabeth Garrett Anderson Institute who studied 33 women referred by their GP after they requested labial reduction surgery.
The group included eight school girls including one who was only 11-years old, according to the report published in the British Journal of Obstetrics and Gynaecology. Each girl or woman was examined by a gynaecologist and the width and length of their vaginas were measured and compared with published normal values. They found that all the women seeking surgery had normal-sized genitals. Just three women were offered surgery to address a significant asymmetry. Yet of the women who were refused surgery, 12 (40 per cent) still wanted to pursue surgery by another route. Eleven accepted a referral for psychology and one participant was referred to mental health services. Dr Creighton, said: ‘It is surprising that all of the study participants had normal sized labia minora and despite this nearly half were still keen to pursue surgery as an option. ‘A particular concern is the age of some of the referred patients, one as young as 11 years old. Twenty women (60 per cent) said they wanted a smaller vagina to improve its appearance. Of the 27 women who were able to say when they first became dissatisfied with their genitals, 15 said it was when they were young than 15, while 12 became worried later on. The reasons included becoming more aware of the genital area, watching TV programmes on cosmetic genital surgery, comments from a partner and physical discomfort. ‘It’s shocking, particularly because we are seeing girls who are really young,’ Dr Creighton told the BBC. ‘They are asking for surgery that is irreversible and we do not know what the long-term risks of the procedure might be.’
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Refusal for surgery is ridiculous and condescending and in this day and age is ridiculous. Does anyone need permission to get a boob job? Lip surgery? It’s their own body, they can transplant a penis atop their vagina or pierce it with piercings until it looks like an Elvis jacked for all they care. Whats the surgeon supposed to be? An FGM dictator? The door swings both ways. What if they go overseas to get it done? Will the English government arrest them for having surgery when the return? Absolute dictatorship in England if the English don’t realise it, by any reading of the Human Right Charter, no adult person has any right to refuse another adult person to change their body, much less require that they have to be vetted at all or referred to mental services. This is just too offensive and makes some things about the English quite clear. It is a free citizen’s democratic and Human Right to decide how their sex organ should look and the service provider (surgeon) just provides the skills not play God. Referral to mental health services looks like a profit paradigm much like the prison system profiteers (and grows, i.e. gains asisignments of cash from parlianent) off the number of people who used the services. Someone gets a commission somewhere somehow in the chain.
Collusive and profiteering women’s groups silent on this? But they’d rally naked in lesbian super-biker parades and advocate all kinds of nonsense while harrasing random people with lawsuits for being ‘chauvinists’. The necessity of the surgery (right to chose being a given, except in England it would seem) is that if an ugly face (something quite public, or maybe the Muslims have got that right) can offend, the not too lovable looking ‘poon’ (some societies consider it bad luck) needs all the work it can get. Some of the refined types, and society’s increasingly delicate tastes make this necessary. Maybe a preferred look from culture to culture could be stabilized, not being or going to claim to be an expert in this matter, I ask instead Aesthests, Madams/Pimps, Cosmetic surgeons and alongside any adult/pornographic models, perhaps a casanova or few, ALL locally gather to discuss among themselves what the look should be as the current ‘look’ that any cosmetic surgeons (all Western educated or derived) could very well be a CAUCASIAN ‘Typical’ / ‘Preferred’ rather than regionally representative and determined.
There are 6 distinct racial colours, I think there might well be 6 distinct ‘poon’-o-types as well. Have fun and don’t be lazy and just look at 10 and decide. Look at 1000s from each region then decide. Cosmetic surgery skills can then be localized and retaught for the ‘correct’ LOCAL look. Incidentally, pornography does not change the inherent way a person might think. Though some people might be influenced, the title seems rather slanted, much like the lack of freedom of choice to shape one’s ‘poon’ via consensual surgery (you’re a surgeon not God so remember your Hippocratic Oath and help beautify some ‘poons’), as well.

Pope to attack ‘moral vacuum’ that caused summer riots in New Year’s Day speech By Daily Mail Reporter Last updated at 2:01 AM on 31st December 2011

In Abuse of Power, Sexuality on January 20, 2012 at 8:30 pm

The Pope will launch a renewed attack on the ‘moral relativism’ he has blamed for Britain’s summer riots.

Pope Benedict will say in tomorrow’s New Year’s Day message that neither peace nor justice are obtainable if the values expressed in the Ten Commandments are rejected.

His words represent another severe criticism of moral relativism, the humanistic creed that holds there can be no objective standard on which to base morality.
Scathing message: Pope Benedict XVI will attack ‘moral relativism’ which he blames for the summer riots

Scathing message: Pope Benedict XVI will attack ‘moral relativism’ which he blames for the summer riots

They come months after the Pope told Nigel Baker, Britain’s Ambassador to the Holy See, that the spread of the ideology was to blame for the August riots, saying it caused ‘frustration, despair, selfishness, disregard for life and liberty’.

He said that every person ‘must move beyond the relativistic horizon and come to know the truth about himself and the truth about good and evil’.

‘Deep within his conscience, man discovers a law that he did not lay upon himself, but which he must obey,’ he says in his written message, entitled Educating Young People in Justice and Peace.

‘Its voice calls him to love and to do what is good, to avoid evil and to take responsibility for the good he does and the evil he commits.’

Pope Benedict has taught the significance of the natural moral law throughout his seven-year pontificate.

Root of the riots: The Pontiff says the ideology causes frustration and despair

According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church, this law is considered natural because it is part of the nature of a person, inscribed on every human heart and enabling people to good from evil, and truth from falsehood.

His message adds: ‘The exercise of freedom is intimately linked to the natural moral law, which is universal in character, expresses the dignity of every person and forms the basis of fundamental human rights and duties.

‘The right use of freedom, then, is central to the promotion of justice and peace, which require respect for oneself and others, including those whose way of being and living differs greatly from one’s own.

‘This attitude engenders the elements without which peace and justice remain merely words without content: mutual trust, the capacity to hold constructive dialogue, the possibility of forgiveness, which one constantly wishes to receive but finds hard to bestow, mutual charity, compassion towards the weakest, as well as readiness to make sacrifices.’

He will also hit out at the promotion of individualism, through which a person ‘ends up contradicting the truth of his own being and forfeiting his freedom’.

He adds: ‘On the contrary, man is a relational being, who lives in relationship with others and especially with God’.

Pope Benedict ends his message by addressing young people directly, encouraging them to work hard and pursue a life of ‘humility and dedication.

The Pontiff ends his message for the 2012 World Peace Day of January 1 by addressing young people, encouraging them to work hard and pursue a life of ‘humility and dedication’.

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Save for the attack on individualism which is the basis for preventation of stagnation, this article reads well. Religions are a massive franchise and tool of control likely instututed by rulers in 0 bc and earlier if not to foster a love for one’s own tribe. Individualism is the single most important thing, and we will be confounded and pleased by the so many or so few others that are exactly the same as us. Viewed from the pope’s viewpoint of negative relationism, positive relationism needs to be fostered, not submitted to by individuals for society to progress.

The mouthpiece of the 2011 year old Egregor encapsulated as the dead spirit of Christ speaks some sense, though one would never know if this Pope has ever channelled that spirit of Christ he claims to know. Ecclesiastical politics would see to it that it is impossible to achieve the spirituality to do so! It is non-relational or individualistic conscience that ensures the above values.

Some of us sought these voices for decades (and found only the World would respond), others went through the motions and played the ‘political game in Church’ instead to reach papal power which is a zero if that pedo defender reputation does not end or reparations other than Church closures are not made.

Without knowing all sides, a religion can never move forward, how about switching over to obviously copied wholesale trinity of Ilia, Remus and Romulus gentrified from and spliced with Judaism?

A nice Wolfskin wearing Pope bearing a Wolf ivory stave (after clearing all the pedo nonsense honestly and without favour) could do much more to galvanise the Roman Empire region of this day, not the brimstone of Aramea which is not even native to Rome and it’s planetary (Archonic) deities, Aramaic is not the Italian language or culture, and the vast richness of culture that native Roman faiths had is not Aramaic in nature nor should it be fusion-culture if Romans are proud of their origins (the Holy Trinity of Ilia, Remus and Romulus) . . .

3 Articles on Actual or Would Be Sex Workers – updated on late February 2012

In Fair Chrges, Sexuality, Socialism, Uncategorized, USA on January 18, 2012 at 3:05 pm

ARTICLE 1

Prostitute Turns Blogger : Eternal truths of love and nature – by Li Xiguang – 21st September 2011

Sex worker’s stories tell eternal truths of love and nature (Global Times) China has over 200 million people writing or posting microblogs. Most of them are dull. But last week, I came across a Weibo by a young sex worker named Ruo Xiaoan, who could win the best journalism award for Weibo writing. Since prostitution has been criminalized in China, the sex industry is dark and murky. The millions of sex workers deserve to have a voice on Weibo. Microblogging can shed light in one of the darkest parts of this country.

Xiaoan has 170,000 followers and I hope her blog can educate people to treat these girls like human beings: “After the New Year, my first client demanded we meet in a car by the West Lake. He was seeking a thrill by having sex in a car. The West Lake looked so pretty. But he only cared about my body. I was simplified to a few human organs. He forgot that I am a woman, a young woman who is eager for love.” “We are being attacked as being abject things with a low place. But in my room, I have more books than condoms.

Those men who decorate their offices with books never took a second to look at the books when they walked into my room. They are more skillful in opening a condom than turning a book page.” Her writings are not porn. She isn’t seeking an unhealthy relationship with her followers. She writes about the relationship between sex and nature. When it is cloudy, she writes, “Hangzhou is gloomy. My roommate left for home. It was a year ago when we started sharing a rented apartment. We used to drink together and sometimes serve a client together. We laughed and cried.

Before she left, she gave me half a box of condoms.” When rain comes, she writes, “The sound of rain woke me up. He had left. He had placed gardenia, which he collected in the early morning, on the table. The flowers smell of fresh rain. It must be the most beautiful and most peaceful moment in his whole life. After he left my place, he disappeared into the crowd of the city.” When it is a sunny day, she writes, “I want to strip all my clothes, open the curtains and my legs, letting in the wind and the sunlight to wreck havoc on my body. Perhaps someone is peeping at me from a window. But the happiest thing is to expose your most private parts to nature.”

Her writings are thoughtful. But her blog is never a dreary soliloquy, but filled with narrative and incident. In one story she writes about a man’s guilty conscience. “A client bought me a dress. It looked good but did not fit me. ‘Take it back and give it to your wife,’ I said. He called me the next day, ‘My wife was so happy when she wore it.’ Then he cried and never contacted me since.”

In other stories, she relentlessly writes about the hypocrisy of her clients: “I told him on the phone, ‘If you spend the whole night chatting with me, I will take the initiative in the morning. I will not ask a fen from you.’ He came and talked with me. Before daybreak, he was waiting for my action. But I did not take action. I hated him for selling his thoughts and ideas for free sex. I would rather he had stripped me after he walked into the room.” “Festivals are always a sorrow for me. Those fat men who have twitched with my body are now with their families watching lanterns. They are not my clients. They are good husbands and good fathers.

Tonight, there might be a migrant laborer like me coming to my place. If he comes, I will not accept his money.” She does not advocate HIV prevention education, but she does give peer education to her fellow sex workers about being safe and healthy in her trade: “I held the condom and warmed it with my hand. I am not sure if he feels comfortable or not after I help him wear it. I do not want to be a prostitute today. I want to be his woman. I want him to wear the condom and take me.” Sex workers’ writings on Weibo pose a challenge to Chinese values. But Xiaoan smartly spills her secrets with beautiful stories. After reading her blog, I feel like I have had a long conversation with a real person.

The author is the director of the Tsinghua University International Center for Communication,
xiguang@tsinghua.edu.cn

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This is a possible example of poverty, lack of effort and/or laziness, perhaps lack of opportunity and someone who needs to get registered in a marriage agency. Unlike some persons who enjoy the work, she’s not interested to be a prostitute so she should not even be working as one then complaining about it. Legalize the adult services industry and release her from prison. No tax payer is interested in paying for her jail stint or enriching prison contractors. Finally she is too morose and thoughtful to be a good prostitute. Little wonder the guy cried after that call !

We need NATURALLY happy and naturally highly sexed sex workers who enjoy the work, otherwise it will be her fault when all the clients will end up breaching a form of spiritual/professional ethics (this could be considered among criteria for work in the sex industry – any person less than enthusiastic should not be licensed for example) for themselves and this girl as well. Natural inclination should be fully considered and in this case, shes just a generally lost person seeking identity. Imprisoning her is plain wrong and very cruel.

Finally LEGALIZE the adult services industry. This whole issue right up to the jail term is oppressive and childish, undemocratic. Take a leaf from any country where adult services are properly legislated, study and adopt the laws as appropriate.

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Blogger turns prostitute : Works for free for 1 day to prove her point Thursday, 26 January 2012 17:50

Outspoken blogger, feminist and activist Ye Haiyan (???), also known online as Liumang Yan (??? “Hooligan Sparrow”), is no stranger to controversy. Last year, she appeared nude along with three other women and dissident-artist Ai Weiwei in a picture entitled “One Tiger, Eight Breasts”.

The picture led police to probe Ai Weiwei for pornography, and angry netizens subsequently posted their own nude pictures in an online protest in support of Ai.

In order to dive into the world of rural sex workers so as to better understand and to speak up for them, Liumang Yan decided to become a prostitute for a day last week.

To be more exact, she didn’t exactly prostitute herself — she offered sexual services free of charge to migrant workers in a dingy sex-shop where prostitutes are paid a paltry 10 to 20 RMB by each customer they serve.

Along the way, she posted updates on Sina and Tencent Weibo, telling her followers about the hardships faced by the women she met, and the men she served.

Oiwan Lam of Global Voices has translated a selection of her tweets. Here are some of them:

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Prostitute stays prostitute : Police: $6 sex act leads to prostitution charge Wednesday, Jan 25 2012, 3:25 pm adopted from Corey Friedman

Shelby Star – A Shelby prostitute faces a prostitution charge after police say she performed a sex act on a city street Tuesday.

A Shelby prostitute faces a prostitution charge after police say she performed a sex act on a city street Tuesday. Misty Marie Kullman, 25, of the 200 block of Best Street, performed the sex act on a man outside a vehicle on Claxton Drive in exchange for $6, according to a magistrate’s order. Shelby police arrested her on a charge of misdemeanor prostitution. Police received a suspicious vehicle call on Claxton Drive and spoke to Kullman, who was a passenger in the man’s car.  Callmam told the officers  that the man had picked her up from her apartment and they were riding around and talking, according to a police report. The man admitted to police that he paid Kullman for a sex act, Officer D.K. Gemes wrote in the report. The man said he gave Kullman a $2 bill, three $1 bills and an assortment of change, which officers found on Kullman.

Misty Marie Kullman, 25, of the 200 block of Best Street, performed the sex act on a man outside a vehicle on Claxton Drive in exchange for $6, according to a magistrate’s order. Shelby police arrested her on a charge of misdemeanor prostitution.

Police received a suspicious vehicle call on Claxton Drive and spoke to Kullman, who was a passenger in the man’s car.  Kullman told the officers  that the man had picked her up from her apartment and they were riding around and talking, according to a police report.

The man admitted to police that he paid Kullman for a sex act, Officer D.K. Gemes wrote in the report. The man said he gave Kullman a $2 bill, three $1 bills and an assortment of change, which officers found on Kullman.

Police took a written statement from the man, but did not charge him with a crime. Kullman is scheduled to appear in Cleveland County District Court Friday morning.

***Commentator comments :

Misty Marie Kullman you are the best whore in the history of whoring. Three bucks, a 2 dollar bill and a handful of change makes sex possible for most low wagers (especially the cool ones). Gotta love those two dollar bills. If that was even legal tender – well in Singapore it was. Give out handjobs for Turf and Surf to top off. Pro-Thonys too? I know you kinda look like that Sideboob Showgirl, but still, 6 dollars for any sex act is a prosperous agreement. You’re leaving that 14 bucks on Joe Public’s table for his low stakes poker session or that beer drinking bout with his mates or that cheapo flat or 0.3 carat diamond ring for a future wife he hasn’t met but is saving for now.

Instead of sucking dick for loose change, advertise for bars on the stool, for a bucket of beer and all you can eat off the menu, this helps business as well as keeps people fed and in a warm place. Don’t even listen to a second offer. Otherwise blowing dudes for minimum wage the rest of your career is fair enough till you retire or decide to settle down and get married.

By CFK posted January 26th, 2012 at 1:20 PM

 

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Legalize. And this is a very honest person and even a benchmark for ‘Sex Worker Trade Best Practices’, no gold digger for certain, working for minimum wage providing useful services that keep the guys happy, non-strifeful and productive at the workplace.

Maria needs to be represented by SWAV or PONY type groups and have those charges overturned as well as those prohibition era laws overturned. 15 mins (or was it less?) of work for full 1 hour minimum wage is bargain in Marie’s favour, 4 times over! Can’t expect someone to shell out their entire day’s salary for a few mins no? Don’t listen to the Shelby Star article here, they think everyone’s worth 401K when even 4.01K is already a rarity among the 99%. Who can afford to blow both cash and wad like that? Keep those charges reasonable, Johns need to eat too, and Maria leads the way.

This looks like the face of fair ‘fare’ – a 6 Dollar Hooker (not a 6 Million Dollar Fembot), can’t wait for the 5000 Block era ones – with meat popsicle options among the ‘classics’ we hope! Minimum wage and street cars rule! (Marie shown here modelling a nice Shelby dress from Coast . . . )

Marie shown here modelling a 'Shelby' dress from 'Coast' . . .