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5 Articles on Gaming, Prostitution and Organic Psychedelics – reposted by @AgreeToDisagree – late January 2012

In Malaysia, organic psychedelics advocacy, Prostitution, social freedoms, spirit of the law on January 31, 2012 at 2:21 pm


‘What are they waiting for?’ – Andrew Sagayam and Joseph Kaos Jr – 23rd June 2011

Deputy minister blasts police ‘inaction’ on Brickfields vice with arrests of drug-pusher cops

KUALA LUMPUR: Things have come to a head for Deputy Federal Territories and Urban Wellbeing Minister Datuk M. Saravanan who fired a salvo of criticisms at the police for an apparent lack of commitment to clean up Brickfields’ infamous vice activities. He did not mince his words when he said it was high time the police used their powers to “end the menace”. “If everyone else is doing their job, the police should too. They (the police) have the power to put an end to this menace once and for all. What are they waiting for?” he told The Malay Mail. Saravanan’s frustrations had boiled over on the back of a revelation that six cops were recently detained after being caught for alleged drug dealing in Brickfields. It was believed the policemen could be linked to syndicates running vice operations there. The incident had confirmed residents’ worst fear that the very involvement of the men in blue in their neighbourhood’s drug business clearly explained why illegal activities continued to flourish unabated there despite concerted efforts by relevant authorities, including the Kuala Lumpur City Hall, to shut them down.

Following the drug bust, City police had pledged to find out if other cops were involved from the six detained. Saravanan said the police had to act or they would find themselves being accused of “protecting” the place for their own interest. Raids ineffective He said City Hall and other enforcement bodies, such as the Immigration Department and Royal Customs Department, were doing what was required of them to tackle Brickfields’ vice activities, but not the police. “The raids conducted by police are not enough. City Hall is always conducting checks and monitoring the area. I have personally instructed them to keep an eye on Brickfields every day. “All authorities concerned must be serious about combating crime there. It is certainly a setback to all efforts if those entrusted with ridding the area of these vice menaces are also involved in crime.

“The police have to be more effective in their operation. They must conduct more raids.” Saravanan said City Hall had been told to contact the police whenever it discovered illegal activities there. His call for the cops to step up their game was echoed by Lembah Pantai Member of Parliament Nurul Izzah Anwar who said the authorities needed to have a “clear and coherent” strategy in curbing social ills there.

The Paper That Cares (yeah right but whatever lol) had, in a series of reports over the past year, highlighted the free-for-all vice activities that had been taking place in Brickfields for years. Residents claimed lack of enforcement contributed to it while some questioned why police seemed reluctant to rid the area of its bad image. THE police have pledged to raid all illegal outlets in Brickfields after getting more information from six policemen nabbed for selling heroin there. City narcotics chief ACP Kang Chez Chiang told The Malay Mail the State police would not wait for Brickfields police to carry out the raids if they had obtained information on drug activities there. “We can conduct operations in the district. As long as we have gathered enough details, be in on our own or from the public, we will carry out raids.”

On the six detained, Kang said they were checking if the group was involved in other illegal activities. “The six were actively operating in Jalan Klang Lama, Kuchai Lama and Brickfields areas since early this year. We are still investigating to what extent was their involvement in illegal activities in the district. “We are officers of the law and as narcotics policemen, we are supposed to keep drugs off the streets, not being involved with syndicates and selling them.” Last Friday, a KL Narcotics Department team detained the six, who were attached with the Sri Petaling police station, in separate operations following a public tip-off. The first policeman was detained in the evening in Jalan Kuchai Lama for possessing 220grammes of heroin. In a follow-up operation, another cop was nabbed with 48g of heroin in Brickfields.

The other four were arrested later that day. All six, who are in their late 20s and early 30s, have been remanded for seven days from June 18. Two were detained under Section 39B of the Dangerous Drugs Act 1952 while the rest, who tested positive for drugs, were held under Section 31 of the Drug Dependents (Treatment and Rehabilitation) Act 1983. If convicted, the suspects would not only face court sentences but police disciplinary action as well as possible dismissal from the force. Kang said the five lance corporals and a corporal told their superiors they resorted to selling drugs to “make ends meet”.

The Malay Mail learnt they each earned about RM2,500 a month from pushing heroin. MP: Deal with Little India menace KUALA LUMPUR: It is high time the authorities step up their game and deal with the problem of social ills in Brickfields. That was the call by Lembah Pantai Member of Parliament Nurul Izzah Anwar.

Referring to the incessant problem of prostitution, drugs and snatch theft in Kuala Lumpur’s “Little India”, Nurul Izzah said the authorities need to have a “clear and coherent” strategy in solving the problem. She also said the Federal Territories and Urban Wellbeing Ministry’s statement that “social ills will suffer a natural death” with the redevelopment Brickfields was an “irresponsible way of looking at it”. “I’ve mentioned before that this issue needs to be settled in a holistic manner. You need to have a clear and coherent strategy. This has to be taken seriously,” the Parti Keadilan Rakyat vice-president told The Malay Mail.

Nurul Izzah cited the relocation of the Brickfields district police headquarters to Sri Petaling as proof that the authorities were not taking the matter of social ills in Brickfields seriously. “They’ve removed the police station to elsewhere and until today I’ve not heard any justification from the ministry on why it was relocated.

“They’ve removed the police station and I’ve not heard any justification from the ministry on why it was relocated.” Highlights OVER the past year, The Malay Mail had been highlighting the long-time shady activities of Brickfields in support of the Federal Territories and Urban Wellbeing Ministry’s efforts to reinvigorate the area as a tourist attraction. Eager to rid the enclave of its vice haven image, the government branded it as Kuala Lumpur’s ‘Little India’. The ministry’s deputy minister, Datuk M. Saravananm had been calling for police to be more proactive in cleaning up the area, as highlighted in our report on July 12. Last December, Saravanan had reiterated the ministry would go all out to eradicate vice activities in Brickfields to rid its infamous red light image. He had said rapid development in the area would see a natural death for vice after its final redevelopment phase this year. Acting on this promise, the ministry and City Hall demolished eight vice dens in Brickfields in a joint operation against brothels.

Checks by The Paper That Cares just 48 hours later revealed the vice activities to be operating as usual, with even two new brothels opened in Jalan Sultan Abdul Samad. On June 10, we reported how Brickfields stubbornly remained a stronghold for immoral activities despite continuous and concerted efforts by the authorities. Three days later, we reported Federal Territories and Urban Wellbeing Minister Datuk Raja Nong Chik Raja Zainal Abidin as saying challenges in Little India’s redevelopment project included non-governmental organisations in Brickfields having different views on how the area should be developed.

***Commentator Response by @pantherking

Imagine if the Indian PM is reading these news concerning Brickfields. He was shown and presented with this so called Little India of Malaysia when he visited Malaysia. This pride of the Malaysian Indian community is also a symbol of the multi-culturalism of Malaysian politics based on tolerance above all else. Imagine his embarrassment now if he finds out that this place is actually a vice-den by night and prostitution and sale of drugs are the number one economic activities after nightfall!! On top of this, our proud police force actually has a hand in perpetuating this problem as some of the Anti-Narcotics officers also make this area their own for the purpose of dealing in drugs to “make ends meet” as if they are not being paid properly by the government for doing their duties.

Doesn’t take a genius to figure out why the Brickfields police department have never been keen to send their guys over to investigate all these illegal activities simply because some of their officers are also working part-time for drugs and vice syndicates!! What a disgrace to the force!! If the PDRM wants more respect from the public they must recognise that the number of rotten apples within their ranks seems to be getting bigger and bigger and that more must be done to throw these rotten apples into the rubbish bin! Submitted by pantherking on Thursday, June 23rd, 2011.

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Response to @pantherking : Unlike you, @pantherking, the police have COMMON SENSE and STREET SMARTS. They are not cloistered in your unreal snooty world of religious or social class selfishness/self-consciousness/discrimination. The lower class expressions of humanity will always have a place and the police being REAL people of the world have the sympathy and appreciation of what diversity and colour (also pulse of life) that such things bring.

You can’t charge in like a Thai police Colonel and start murdering people. In fact look at Pattaya Walking Street and Netherlands’ Organics bars. NEAR PERFECTION for consideration in terms of entertainment capitals, and the police perfect too for their consideration for Brickfields denizens have displayed their exceptional grasp of reality as well – don’t condemn because you don’t understand.

I’d even have a few more alleyways (how does a series of underpasses sound to ya?) built just to ensure the underbelly of KL is that much stronger so that the OVERBELLY (which is what others are and the middle and upper classes strive to be) is able to thrive. Without darkness there can be no concept of light. And this commentator above calls himself Pantherking? More like lily white coloured Mr.Bigglesworth. ‘Kaos’ Jr should also rename himself ‘Order’ Jr. Presence of RLDs and organic psychedelics sales outlets do not even constitute chaos and are quite tepid and sedentary entertainments overall.

Leave our RLDs, organic psychedelics and nightlife venues alone fool! Any independent MPs ready to take up the task of legalisation of RLDs and Organic psychedelics (not synthetics due to the ‘permanent damage’ effect, while organics are much like alcohol perhaps less damaging than alcohol as well) at least? The Malay Mail though is correct in condemning heroin as this is a concentrated form of Opium (an organic psychedelic) that is as dangerous as synthetics.

Opium and Heroin compared by @prospero :

Opium and Heroine are definitely different, but I think Opium is SO much better. Though the feel-good effect of heroin may be stronger, there’s so much going on with Opium – psychedelic dreams while you’re still awake, the feeling that time, your brain, and in fact the whole world has stopped, subtle but very strange and uniquehallucinations, the list goes on.

The insular oppressives, weak and narrow minded are the ones disturbing ‘the peace’. These are NOT social ills. They are adult entertainments and a Human Right, though not favoured or used by all, but still must be given a place simply because these exist by ‘Gods’ will. Leave the Red Light District or Organic psychedelics district alone, or better yet LEGALISE it. Or will someone need to step forward to take over where the current MP has failed?

Nurul (an ‘Adult Services Unfriendly’ product of political nepotism in PKR – Pakatan Rakyat has 50% unvotable MPs and Assemblymen due to nepotism, don’t you the ordinary citizen defer to them or be too lazy to challenge NEPOTISM and OLIGARCHY) is VERY selfish to people who entertain themselves with these psychedelics and games. You don’t use the services and games, fine. But some of us do use or at least appreciate diversity, so don’t just dismiss lightly what people want to do and think only about your own (Muslim) preferences and condemn the police who know the difference that you do not. We hate selfish inward looking people who want to prevent others having fun.

While at it, legalise mahjong, domino, dice, and card casinos to a reasonable degree in proper places to. These casino games should not be considered ILLEGAL but a non-Muslim entertainment as well. It is heart breaking to see these games available ONLY on computer (just so childish), and believe me these computer outlets are EVERYWHERE. just legalise, including the RLDs for adult services. Tabik hormat antara polis dan orang ‘Kongsi’. And Rempits/Minahs, a little more Kamen Rider and a little less Samseng where applicable too. Will that independent MP step forward to challenge the socialised oppression of adult Human Rights?

***Commentary : This comment was not allowed in Malaymail Online Magazine. While a good media option, Malaymail has displayed at this time a censorship of opinions of people differing in opinion of their own. Dictatorship takes many forms. And this trend has just infected Malaymail. Think Voltaire, Malaymail, and reconsider posting my comment. Moral Fundamentalism via censorship of comments is no different from any other extremism or intolerance and discrimination, in this case against Sex Workers and the Adult Industry and it’s Activists and Supporters. Zone and legalise in appropriate districts.

Prostitution factory in Meru for foreign workers – Monday, 30 January 2012 14:01

A FACTORY building in a small and medium enterprise (SME) industrial area in Meru, near Klang, has become a prostitution den with girls in their teens being used to lure foreign workers in the area.

Dubbed the “prostitution factory” by residents, the den is said to have been in operation for three years, reported Kosmo! Ahad.

The operators, who use closed-circuit TV cameras to scan visitors, have barred local men from entering. The clients are largely from Bangladesh, Nepal, Vietnam and Myanmar, and the women providing them the sexual service are said to be Indonesians.

A Nepalese worker interviewed by the paper said he had been there three times and to his knowledge the place had never been raided by any enforcement authority.

Jay, 25, said he came to know about the place from a friend, adding that customers can only enter the building through the back door and they must give their name and nationality to a guard there.

“We then choose a girl of our liking and the guard, who is Nepalese, would fix a price for her services,” he said, adding the rate depended on the age of the girl and ranges from RM50 to RM100 per session.

Responding to the issue, International Islamic University sociologist Prof Dr Fatimah Daud said many foreigners had left their wives in their homeland to work here and operators of such dens exploit these men who need to have their sexual needs met.

> TWO brothers, aged 13 and 15, shocked residents of Kampung Sealine in Miri, Sarawak, when they were found to be part of a teenage gang that had stolen at least RM30,000 worth of goods in a spate of robberies over the past month.

More shocking, the younger boy said they were taught to steal by their elder brother, aged 18, who is said to be the group’s mastermind, reported Metro Ahad.

The two young boys were caught when they attempted to break into a neighbour’s house at about 1.30pm on Saturday.

Their arrests led police to pick up four other gang members as well as a 34-year-old Indonesian man who allegedly bought the stolen goods from them.


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Legalize the whole profession and introduce price controls commensurate to the earnings of the customer. These are men and they need to feel strong and virile to give their best for the work they do here in Malaysia.

How could you deprive such an important and natural source of fun and relaxation for them? Their thoughts will not be on work if they have no outlets for their natural expressions. This is a human rights abuse if anything. Legalize the adult industry via RLD zones, which will also benefit the locals as well.

Exchange on the comments section – still available as of this date from cache . . . Malaymail has removed the page but it is reposted below :

‘Little India’ still big on vice – Submitted by Najiah on Monday, December 27th, 2010 – IKRAM ISMAIL

NEW LOOK, OLD PROBLEMS: Sex trade giving Brickfields a bad name
BRICKFIELDS: Residents and business owners in ‘Little India’ feel the government should do more to make the place vice-free, especially at the red-light area of Jalan Thambipillay. When The Malay Mail checked the area on Nov 23, we saw prostitutes and pimps openly soliciting for customers, many of whom were foreigners.

This was a far cry from the vice-free scenario in late October when Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Razak and his Indian counterpart, Manmohan Singh, visited the area.

Long-time Brickfields resident Goh Ah Moi, 76, said Jalan Thambipillay had been a haven for prostitution since the 1970s.

“The red-light area used to be at Jalan Scott but when the old buildings there made way for redevelopment, the vice activities moved to Jalan Thambipillay,” said Goh, who moved here in 1955 soon after getting married. Her husband passed away in 1987 and she now lives with her daughter.

“In my 55 years here, I have witnessed about 50 vice raids. If the government is serious about restoring the reputation of Brickfields, they should demolish the old buildings in Jalan Thambipillay. It’s as simple as that.” S. Gunasegaran, 51, was ashamed of the sordid image Brickfields had become.

“Last week, when my sister and nephew from Johor Baru visited me, I advised them not to walk along Jalan Thambipillay as they would be approached by prostitutes and pimps,” said Gunasegaran who runs a pub here since 1990. “Tearing down brothels is not effective as the culprits always return. The government should take over the old shoplots and redevelop them into places for legitimate businesses.”

Rahman Hussain, 67, a former Brickfields resident who had since moved to London, England, said the government should eradicate vice activities in the area.

“It can be achieved if the authorities work with residents and property owners,” said Rahman who left Malaysia a quarter century ago.

On July 11, Federal Territories and Urban Wellbeing Deputy Minister, Datuk M. Saravanan, said Brickfields would be “vice-free” by year-end. He said the government wanted to improve the image of Brickfields as KL’s ‘Little India’, adding that the transformation of Brickfields had several stages and the first stage was to relocate hawkers, including illegal ones. In early October, when The Malay Mail accompanied Saravanan on a spot-check to Brickfields, he was repeatedly solicited by prostitutes and pimps.

READ: Vice will be stamped out after Brickfields’ Little India revamp is complete
READ: Minister gets sexual invites during Brickfields visit
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A proper zone in all major cities encompassing a street or few should be designated where the sex workers, pimps (cool hats!) and madams are allowed to solicit. This should not be considered vice as long as participating parties are both consensual and not trafficked or coerced and is an organic way to prevent society from becoming too fragmented by fear of horny men, feminists or broken marriages, even prevent incest. Give the libido it’s proper place. Young (or stingy) men are healthier or happier (a more productive and happier society) with easily available sex (from lower class women of beauty but no upward mobility) and this in fact will prevent false courtships to obtain sex, separate the libidinous from the morbid (or religious), and will mean marriages will be longer lasting and more meaningful when they do occur. For those who have their own religious convictions, to each his own, so for Muslims or certain faith denominations, these will certainly be off limits in their respective communities. And because some people can’t afford to hire (middle class) outcall escorts or want privacy i.e. prefer not to deal with Madams or Pimps, prefer not to share but want to support a dedicated kept mistress (upper class or women at the end of their youth, sometimes with good education to cater for the sensitivities of companionship of the upper classes), or can afford a wife (probably for love, though some for status, education being unimportant especially for poorer but good families), or even a 2nd, 3rd, or 4th wife (should institute for non-Muslims too), the lower end adult services industry will always thrive. While already overcharging (value for money dictates that a blue collar worker’s 8 hours of work is worth far more than 1 session of sex – so don’t get conned young guys, pay no more than 1 third of a day’s work if you are no fool), adult services really should also have a proper designated zone. Posing as a massage parlour or other business is pathetic and speaks volumes about Malaysia’s sex negativity and extreme moral policing. Legislate those Red Light Districts and give better definition to society and thus strengthen the family unit. It’s all too grey and opportunist based as it is now. Liberalise and emancipate, open choices for those inclined, while ensuring everything has a proper space. Adds variety and colour as well. Note : Replace all male terms with female terms and vice versa (or LGBT terms) if so inclined. – Submitted by AgreeToDisagree on Monday, December 27th, 2010.

‘Agreetodisgree’, I honestly respect your disgreement with the definition of free will, especially when u don’t believe Allah in the 1st place. I was just trying to tell u that recognizing vice officially or allowing even 1 of u to tell public that u do it/allowed to do it or even suggesting, is against our culture since we believe that it will lead us to destruction, degradatin of humanity, dishonour of women dignity, our mother/sister/daughter, u and me. Many of my writings have not made here too so u might wan na take it offline tru sedarlah at gmail dot com. – Submitted by muslim on Monday, January 3rd, 2011.

Regulating so that those who do actually participate is not asking ti to be recognized as allowed in Islam. However the non-Muslim community that does use or participate in adult services need regulation to PROTECT them. In this case though, to further assure that Muslims will not come into contact with the adult services industry (as in gambling or pork or alcohol) I further suggest that zoned areas be monitored by non-Muslim non Malay police as well. In fact other than to ensure that unmarried persons (those divorcees, with deceased spouses but not wishing to get married or have emotional commitment again, bachelors or sexually mature teens) and persons with spouses unwilling (we do know that childbirth changes a woman sometimes), or at least spouses who do not mind (and even appreciate the lack of sexual pressure), foreigners from outside Malaysia have access to sexual outlets in a fun a pleasurable environment.

I do not advocate any good family’s women or married women to participate, and bid that only those with :

1) uncertain futures from impoverished backgrounds from the lower social strata without access to expensive educations or limited quota scholarships
2) no family reputation to uphold (i.e. orphans who’s parents treated them as accidents *BUT NOT* ALIENATED children)
3) suffering from uncommon libidos, or conditions such as nyphomania or satyriasis
4) spouses with weak constitutions or constitutions weaker than that of the husband’s or wife’s
5) during late stage pregnancy
6) anyone who so happens to feel most at home in a sexualized environment and wants to make a living of it
7) foreign women from 3rd world countries who intend to remit funds back home to support their families

Everyone else, especially the HAPPILY married (unless unable to cope etc.) should not patronize the Red Light District at all but this cannot be a lw though a divorce on the basis of a husand using sex services is ridiculous. Some husbands need to have sex very ofetn and some wives don’t want to. This is where the sex worker comes in when the husband does not have the money for a few wives but can afford occasional sex worker visits. Destruction of society will not occur, in fact pensions should be mooted for those who have served a number of years, medical checks and even in-area Medical personnel could be assigned to overlook the area. It should not be considered degrading either as it is another form of culture (like fan-idol concerts or sports), though not ‘high culture’ for certain.

It is interesting and diverse, a place to relax NOT anything else as you fear. It is not devilish, it is HUMANISH. As a species, biologically we need to breed, and to prevent overpopulation, such outlets actually keep numbers down while affording a sense of intimacy as well. It is not reasonable to deny anyone, especially a non-Muslim to access intimacy (it is not 100% about sex, quite companionship also) in a public setting, entirely zoned away from Muslims. There would be alot of less frustrated people making society a psychologically (and aura-wise) difficult place.

Personally I am also disinclined to patronage of such places due to social background and personal preference (not like sharing, more into polygamy haha) considerations, but do want others to be able to access for convenience. Yet you will certainly see me there, enjoying the atmosphere, gathering inspiration for literary works, art photography etc.. and not judging or belittling others. It’s all about diversity and holistic governance. People need ‘unmarried’ sex or multiple sex partners or persons who do not demand a relationship to begin with. And this again will be strictly for non-Muslims AND in a cordoned area. Of course there are so many that APPEAR like goats but better in a controlled environment than no outlet at all. They would end up as predators eventually, or waste far too much money travelling outside Malaysia for a simple service and that would have been averted simply with the legalisation of adult services industry and a proper red-light zone.

I can’t imagine how poorer or less emotionally invested Muslims keep their libidos in check or manage to keep all wives happy, but then again to each his own, and in this I think there will be not much difference in society at all, excepting some very wide smiles on some weary faces. This has been a very meaningful discussion, I hope the government (or a future candidate in Brickfields) will take the points in this exchange into consideration to Emancipate the Libidos of non-Muslims in Malaysia. @muslim and all the other pious peoples, we walk separate paths but we can also always be friends and relegate our differences to the separate districts I propose. – Submitted by AgreeToDisagree on Tuesday, January 4th, 2011.

Its getting to be boring here when people turned this column into viva voce for phd examinations or academic, political and religious polemics. this is not the battle ground for semantics or pseudo intellectualism,…… come on…life is too short, lets enjoy a few mugs of toddy and visit brickfield with saravanan….(p/s dont forget to bring yr rm40 for service charge) – Submitted by GOUNDAMANI on Saturday, January 1st, 2011.

That’s the spirit! Life’s too short, but this is best enjoyed when legal. If you run for candidacy in Brickfields, do tell me where your campaign is! Or vice versa haha. Like bulls we will charge . . . come to think of it how about *Bullfighting* in Malaysia eh? Get some matadors over here from Spain! – Submitted by AgreeToDisagree on Tuesday, January 4th, 2011.

Your definition of free will has flaw and is going to lead to destruction of humanity, and most probably not god-given. Allah gave a better definition of free will, for both muslim and not, u and me, faithful or not, ALL MANKIND. He said we are given two path, one lead to wellbeing and the other to destruction/hell. It is about hereafter. Nonetheless, Islam won’t force you to embrace/believe it and never lead to monoculture. But trust me, its teaching is proven historically. It’s already been academically debated in numerous journals/books. So read quran which is easily available in webs and bookstore, to both muslim and not, u and me, EVERYONE. Then u may learn to give muslims the space, and not try to suggest to encroach our life. Islam doesn’t force u to repent and read quran, it’ just my advise as a preacher/da’e. Please also have respect to > 50% of pop here, to official religion. Your suggestion is disrespectful. -sedarlah di gmail titik com – Submitted by muslim on Wednesday, December 29th, 2010.

hi @muslim,

Well Allah’s view on free will was relevant to the culture the Prophet came from, and indeed under those desert conditions without much technology, it very well could lead to destruction of humanity. Outside of that region and environment of course the situation would certainly be different that is why non-Muslims developed very different cultures being in different environments. Two path, one lead to wellbeing and the other to destruction/hell could be applicable to some, depending on the moderation in usage for what is considered haram to Muslims. Some people however do have their weaknesses and being non-Muslim are not bound to follow Hadiths as well.

Teaching may have been proven historically, but conditions are different, cultures are different. It’s already been academically debated in numerous journals/books but always in the context of Arabian and Islamic culture and not the rest of the world. That is why it may not apply to everyone everywhere else.

@muslim said : Then I may learn to give muslims the space, and not try to suggest to encroach our life. Well in every instance I have advocated keeping anything haram away from Muslims and in consideration of naturalised migrants, evven as some Malays have gone to any foreign country still practice their faith., Also that Islam itself was imported from the Middle East and subsumed Nusantaran Animism, what I suggest will not encroach on Muslims at all because only non-Muslims wil have access?

@muslim said : Islam doesn’t force u to repent and read quran, it’ just my advise as a preacher/da’e.

Thank you for keeping me informed on this choice which is also your duty. Proselytizing is best done on invitation though. Please also have respect to > 50% of pop here, to official religion.

The mention of population percentage defeats the principle of free will for those who are not Muslims, especially if they do not intend to encroach and have taken all reasonable measures to keep the 2 differing and incompatible worlds separate. To keep everything separate and disallowing Muslims into the ‘Haram’ Zones should be enough. It will in no way encroach and as the lands of the world belongs to all men after all, it would be wrong to deprive any entertainments deemed haram to non-Muslims who are not bound by the Hadiths correct?

@muslim said : Your suggestion is disrespectful. -sedarlah di gmail titik com

There was none intended, and the point was to access anything considered Haram in a manner away from Muslims. To have access to what non-Muslim cultures consider as just another facet of the diversity of life is a Human Right of any who are not Muslim. This exercise of this right should not be considered disrespectful especially if care is taken to keep such things away from Muslims. Please do not say non-Muslims are disrespectful when they exercise their rights of God given free will, also do not resent them if their actions are Haram or different from as the Quran advises. They have nothing against Islam and are not bound by Hadiths as they are not Muslims. I also resent the disrespect implied in calling me disrespectful. PC is so lacking in some faiths and cultures.

Think of my suggestion as a very large private home with internal roads (much like Genting or even those little 4D shops or places of worship where much runs counter to Islamic practice. Privacy of an owner is respected in Islam, what the non-Muslim people do in their home is their business.

We walk a different path and bear you no hatred and pay no heed to any differences and preference that neither should impose, in the interest of neutral shared Earth, and God given free will, do bear us no hatred too as we carry on separate lives. I think that you know that disrespect is not my intention, so try to reconcile the differences between choice of lifestyles if you can and don’t bother about how differently we feel about the world, we can’t understand how to live such a strict life either and thanks for thoughtful reply, best wishes on your seeking of closeness to Allah too.

Malaymail, I posted this comment but did it see it posting, so here it is again, just in case it somehow did not appear or was removed by another less open minded moderator for whatever reason. – Submitted by AgreeToDisagree on Thursday, December 30th, 2010.

I was a little bit concerned too about the perception and particular remark to your earlier post. Well, thanks for taking the time to fill in this extention. About Censorship of POSTs, it exist and Big Brother is watching irrespective of Editorial bias. They know where you are the moment you log in to this site. This information is easily available thru etc etc including coercion of Malay Mail. So, be aware. – Submitted by Anonymous on Friday, December 31st, 2010.

@Anon (aka Malaymail?) Thank you for giving a clear picture on this and I empathise with the immense pressure you must feel though the conversations we are posting here are badly needed for cross civilisational understanding. All parties could gather that these same issues could very well be brought up in Parliament some time too, not out of personal immorality but as an exercise of democratic principles that really must not be seen as an incursion on our more spartan and serious god seeking fellow citizens.

Those recent raids on 31st are quite inconsiderate. Where are all the bachelor(ettes)s, ex-pats and foreign workers going to get some New Year’s ‘fun’?

The sense of entitlement to what ‘God/Allah’ has given the religious among us, needs to be tempered with recognition that ‘God/Allah’ has also given the supposedly faithless or those of different faith – free will. Man is no angel and should not be required to live as an angel – this is Earth, not Heaven. Those who have decided to follow any Prophet or other faith system, also have the choice to do so follow of course, but that does not mean others have to follow either. Perhaps use of religion an attempt to oppress even as APARTHEID itself is used to drive naturalised citizens of different ethnicity? That is in fact ‘Kiasu’ and ‘Kiabo’ Singapore type behaviour. This preacher of course may have had little time or need to consider the wider context of application of religion, he does sound like hes from a different world, which does also contribute to diversity, but has forgotten about the non-Muslims and their right to free will! I hope he likes the continuation of my post below.


. . . and most probably not god-given . . . very human and not of god for certain yes. But human beings are not angels and could never live as angels. While Muslims would try to be angels, the Quran also acknowledges the rights of non-Muslims to non-Muslim expressions like alcohol or pork or gambling. This enclosed system is much like an alcohol pub or food outlet selling pork or a hotel that caters to non-Muslim couples, an zone dedicated adult services industry would hardly be felt by Muslims at all. This would be the best way to prevent strife between differing expressions and of course assimilate Singapore via my 13 point plan as well. It is not about sequestration of land or wealth per se, but the principle of free will and democracy as applicable across the world and the desire for inclusion of Muslims in diverse societies.

I hope @muslim will consider it as ensuring free will of mankind rather than anything else. Punishment as mentioned would be by God and not by Man. Abiding by the Hadiths are the responsibilities of Muslims and Angels, not non-Muslims much less non-Muslims not of Islamic faith.

Pleasure is a human right after all, so look out for an outspoken candidate on the legality of adult industry for international zones issue, I think City Hall has just killed a large voting bloc that should pave the way for an independent candidate if the open minded among voters would consider a Little Haadyai for Emancipation of the Libido, and who knows, even a Little Netherlands for Organics – but only for non-Muslims though! Make space for everyone! – Submitted by AgreeToDisagree on Friday, December 31st, 2010.

soon Brickfields will turn into Bang Cock.. – Submitted by Rayan Ka Goling on Wednesday, December 29th, 2010.

No! No! No!…its Bang Syok…..Bricfield will one day possibly become National STD centre, National HIV centre – Submitted by GOUNDAMANI on Thursday, December 30th, 2010.

I think the proposed solution of sending all the pimps and the prostitutes to Pulau B*** etc is ticklish and short-sighted besides being easier said than done . It is like saying the same things about drug traffickers and drug addicts, just banish them to an isolated island, solve the problem. How simplistic a thought. I agree to some extent with AgreeToDisagree. Everyone has a space in this planet and so long as society can work out ways to accommodate and regulate them so that no great social upheavals could develop, it is not too bad. There are certain men who visit prostitutes and these are people who suffer certain personality disorders like wanting to control, laden with emotional rage or having an abnormal urge due to their hormonal imbalance. It’s like an addiction. Just try telling a drug addict that God is angry whenever he takes drug, it’s like asking a hardcore smoker to stop smoking! So you want all these people to be banished? Have treatment,counselling,courses,seminars by all means but simply banishing people without proper legal recourse is going the path of an uncivilised society. For the high and mighty among us, do pray that you do not develop a growth in your brain making you a sex-addict or an uncontrollable social misfit to be trampled, despised and punished by “normal” members of your society. – Submitted by anonymous on Wednesday, December 29th, 2010.

agree to disagree,thanks for your long long seedless comments. suggest you play golf with one HOLE,you can feel the different. – Submitted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 29th, 2010.

“Wish Unto Others As You Do Others Wish Unto You.” – Submitted by AgreeToDisagree on Wednesday, December 29th, 2010.

willing buyer & willing seller………vice versa. enforcement is important,also public info to the relevant authority….. – Submitted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 28th, 2010.

Prostitution, especially male is well known among the muslim countries. Simply, using religion to claim prostitution is not very intelligent argument. NO religion allows or condones Prostitution, yet it flourishes among the most conservative religioous societies. The bottom line is prostitution flourishes where there is poverty. Eradicate poverty and support more enlightened societal roles, prostitution with be challenged when there is less human suffering and misery and degradation of women. Respect the women as equal partners, then there is less chance of prostitution taking hold. Exploitation of men and women should be outlawed, and gangs attacked with laws in place to challenge them daily and reduce opportunities for soliciting along the streets and roads. In otherwords effective policing by both the community and police and samaritarians,should uplift the society morals and will to ensure the good prevails. Reading religion on its own will only produce a group of religious bigots who will be bent on creating intolerance in the society. – Submitted by EthnicMalaysian on Tuesday, December 28th, 2010.

how to stop people from screwing? it is like bolt and nut, let them be. no religion allowed prostitution. thats why adam was kicked out from heaven because of ‘forbidden food’. sometimes ‘haram food’ taste better from ‘halal food’. those who go there are adult not a child. even muslim men with more than 1 wife go there. you know why? that ‘thing’ if you look carefully is ugly but the temptation is unbearable. let them be, let it be. – Submitted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 28th, 2010.

‘Agreetodisagree’, we muslims live in obedience of the holy book quran which condemns such vice activities, against allowing it to continue happening. Your religion/faith/believe may allow you to let such practice without control but Allah knows best that those thing will disintegrate humankind, society and family values and men himself. Your theory is therefore absurd. So repent and read islam. – Submitted by muslim on Tuesday, December 28th, 2010.

Because the world, lands wealth and right to exist and express oneself, belongs to ALL MANKIND : Have absolute respect for the diversity of mankind and that can only be shown by ensuring space for EVERYONE and ALL EXPRESSIONS. Some people like halal diets and strict families in strict societies that forbid abortion and prophylactics so they have a right to spaces where lifestyles reflect their preferences. Conversely, some people like pork, alcohol and sex or even euthanasia and abortion or contraceptives, so they also have a right to demand spaces where what they prefer can be accessed as well.

So as free will is God given (and punishments for ‘personal sins’ certainly require an element of conscientious ‘non-proliferation’ especially to protect religious sensitivities), no man may forcibly impose their preferred lifestyle upon any other human being if their culture or faith or lifestyle is different, especially by force of arms or threat of jail terms and sentences which in fact oppress self determinism.

This can be as simple as placing a wall or enclosed area (google – Boy’s Town, Nuevo Laredo for an idea) so that Muslims will not have cause for concern and expand the size on when necessary. Even post religious police at entrances or exits to make sure that no Muslims enter properly zoned Red Light Districts. From what I know, Islam applies to Muslims only and not non-Muslims, so any non-Muslims are free to live their own lifestyle. Of course to be principled in approach as regards to God given free will, care should be taken by both different lifestyle sides, to not encroach or sequester unnecessarily  space for others to live their preferred lifestyles as well.

Well about repenting and reading Islam, it is rather invasive and disrespectful to challenge free will given by God, so do know that to proselytize to those of other faiths that are non-Muslim, no faiths, or lifestyle preferences, will only result in resentment and monoculture. Monoculture while convenient for the lazy minded and/or insular, creates and attenuates cultural diversity and in the comparative context of the natural bio-diversity, is necessary for social ecology to thrive with the most popular of diverse forms being the most populous. Let the your fellow human choose their own preferred lifestyle.

A real Muslim is one who joins Islam by choice, not out of social pressure, economic benefits, inculpation in childhood or simple cultural aggression or being weak willed or im[poverished that they cannot resist domination by another who willingly and in an unprincipled manner takes advantage of such weaknesses (being young and unable to form an opinion is a weakness if any) to proselytize and convert. It does not count unless that person is fully conscious and does not fall into any of the above criteria for conversion. To ensure world peace, no person should feel a greater sense of entitlement by being of a certain faith denomination, even non-faith, or wish to impose their values or faith on any other, for the very essence of the flaws as mentioned in previous paragraph in any conversion would render the convert a false convert, in this case a false Muslim.

As for eating of haram foods like alcohol and pork, or haram trade like adult industry, banking and usury, these are personal sins of Muslims and not even applicable to non-Muslims. All such acts not of the nature or intent of war against any faith and done in isolation without any link to Islam should be permitted to other faiths.

If there will be punishment in the afterlife for any actions, then to punish in this life would be ‘Spiritual Subjudice’, even more so against non-Muslims. Do not take upon yourself what is tasked to the devils tasked to punishment of sinners or you will bring hell to Earth.

As for “The solution is to get rid of pimps and prostitutes by sending them to Pulau Babi or to an isolated island with 24 hours security.” may the one who suggested this take a course on Democracy 101, Civilisation 101 or Ethics 101. This suggestion promotes rule of mob, force of arms or a violence based solution not considering the rights of fellow equals. What is wrong with you?

As for @EthnicMalaysia’s economic based view, that too is inaccurate. It is a matter as much of economics as activism on Sex Positivity, or in some cases persons with exceptional libidos that do feel the need to enter the trade at any level to both indulge themselves and or service those with no immediate access or inability to commit resources (emotional or financial) to marriage. It’s not all materialism based, and to that materialism issue, again all citizens could NOT allow Prostitution to consume society organically. How? By paying any sex worker for an unskilled service with no real innate value, no more than what a fully trained and 60-200K invested degree holder might get. Most degree holders themselves do retire slightly into the upper middle (200-500K asset) or lower upper wealth (500K-1.5M) stature at most. Should a sex worker get the same to even begin with? An insult to the truly productive people of a nation and those who got into debt taking study loans, studied so hard and paid so much for their degrees, struggled to office everyday! Of course it is also arguable that education at tertiary level should be free as well, but that will be discussed again if our MPs can rubberstamp it into reality which would truly cut out all those who are merely interested in the financial aspect of adult industry than Sex Positivity activism or emancipation of libidos per se.

To ensure society remains productive, all a sex worker deserves is a comfortable and modest retirement, so pay accordingly (i.e. no more than 1/3rd of a blue collar shift worker’s salary), otherwise society will collapse with everyone becoming sex workers out of sheer greed. That way, only those particularly inclined (i.e. libidos or suitable background – tell the next VIP’s daughter putting out at the club or looking to be a mistress to take a hike or get married simply cos you respect the VIP and society’s stability) to that sort of thing will join and thus maintain the integrity of society. Socio-sexual ethics 101.

So think in terms of Multifaith-Multiracial conditions, if a Muslim and non-Muslim were the last persons on the world, could either honestly force another or berate another into joining or leaving a religion? Hence free will which humans have as opposed to angels who do not. We who are non-Muslim have rights to out own space and expression, even as Muslims have a right to their own practices which run counter to non-Muslims. By these facts, all it takes is awareness of social structure, and a simple wall and proper buffers or sensible zoning to end all strife and allow all expressions. Unlike some people, please take consideration in my posts so that oppression does not occur and common sense prevails.

A compilation of a study of sorts from various articles could be available in print sometime, maybe discussed and edited by reasoned and esteemed proponents as Datuk Khaw Boon Pin or Dr Choong Sim Poey (if they are so inclined to participate) as well. Any others are also invited to give viewpoints on this “Socio-Sexual Ethics Study” if interested. And yet lets all understand that Hudud for consenting Muslims also represent diversity as well and is something I will certainly promote as well! Live and let live. There really is space for all on this planet. – Submitted by AgreetoDisagree on Tuesday, December 28th, 2010.

i think this posting by Agreeto disagree is stupid and nonsensical. The solution (instead) is to get rid of pimps and prostitutes by sending them to Pulau Babi or to an isolated island with 24 hours security. Here they all will have to undergo a 3 year Moral course to teach them how to behave and to do good to society. Later they will have to work in legally jobs and pay back the cost to the government for the lessons they learnt while in the isolated island. This will make others- pimps and prostitutes to stopr this stupid oldest trade in the world. Also foreign prostitutes should be jailed for a year. Then deportation. It will be a lesson to others not to indulge in such trade. Those pimps will have to be put behind bars and go for mandatory 3 years Moral course. As for those who patronised prostitutes, they too will have to pay for the course for a 6 months period. In this way in 5 years time the question of pimp or prostitutes will be a thing of the past. Law enforcement must be clean of corruption in order for this methodology to work. – Submitted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 28th, 2010.

There is some merit to AgreeToDisagree’s point of view. It may also reduce unwanted and abandoned newborns. Maybe we should study how, again, Singapore addressed the issue. It was trial and error then. When all the illegal activities were clamped down, rape and indecent assault cases propped up. Un-planned pregnancies too. No kidding. – Submitted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 28th, 2010.

This is such an emasculated country. Won’t let you hire partners to play with the fleshy guns that nature gave you, and no 2nd Amendment Rights for metallic weapon guns either. Fireworks are also illegal. No popping at all. Just lots of political ‘pooping‘. Oppressive. Meanwhile REAL men are having fun all-ways, and always, in Europe or parts of Asia and in the Middle East little kids carry AKs and Stingers or mounted weapons on their cars like warriors. Try a simple rifle based Safari for domesticated food animals and instant barbecue maybe?

These are Human Rights (so long as people don’t kill each other, if a kid can tell the difference, adults with everything to lose sure as hell should not be disallowed . . . ), so please legislate appropriately rather than oppress. Any legal panel read to take up these challenging issues? Start with the RLD and organic psychedelics ones first . . . that I believe is very close to 50% of the population (the male 50%) and voters at least . . .


Hard times drive local women to vice Monday, January 30, 2012 – 22:22 by Aizat Sharif

FROM DESTITUTION TO PROSTITUTION – Mohd Bakri Zinin revealed figures showing an increase in the number of local women busted for vice last year. Pic: Arif Kartono

KUALA LUMPUR: Financial difficulties and the lure of easy money. These are the top two reasons why Malaysian women are turning to prostitution.

Police yesterday revealed figures which showed an increase in the number of local women busted for providing sexual services to customers last year. Federal Criminal Investigations Department director Datuk Seri Mohd Bakri Zinin said the trend is worrying and advised women not to be easily duped into such activities.

“Last year, a total of 1,801 local women were picked up for prostitution. This is 741 women more than 1,060 local women nabbed in 2010,” He said out of the figure, more Malays were nabbed for vice, from 213 in 2010 to 377 last year compared to Chinese (from 333 to 420) and Indians (from 84 to 151).  Checks by the Anti-Vice, Gaming and Secret Society Division showed most of the local prostitutes came from poor and broken families. “Financial hardship was believed to have forced them into participating in the illegal activity.

“There are those, especially the younger ones, who can’t resist the lucrative pay promised by these syndicates. Some were taken in by peer pressure after seeing their friends living luxuriously, driving flashy cars and staying in luxury houses. “At the same time, there are also those who claimed to have been abandoned by their partners. Without any steady income and support, they turn to prostitution in order to feed their children, pay off debts and to survive living in the city,” he said.

Meanwhile, on foreign prostitution activities, Mohd Bakri said China nationals were the most number of people caught last year, totalling 5,922, followed by those from Vietnam (2,169), Thailand (1,492), Indonesia (1,208), the Philippines (750), Myanmar (112), India (67), Cambodia (36), Bangladesh (34), Laos (14), Uzbekistan (12), Nigeria (eight), Uganda (four), and Austria and Taiwan (one each).

“There is a slight drop of arrest involving foreign prostitutes last year from 11, 919 in 2010 to 11,832 last year,” he said, adding that police would not compromise in combating vice activities, human trafficking and gambling, and would continue to conduct raids and arrests from time to time

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Non-Muslim prostitutes have the right to sex work. And Muslims are rightfully forbidden from visiting these non-Muslim prostitutes as well as non-Muslims may be fined and punished for entertaining Muslims. The law needs to be changed to reflect this and to be fair to the non-Muslim citizens who do visit brothels or sex workers when they need to.

” . . . after seeing their friends living luxuriously, driving flashy cars and staying in luxury houses . . . ”

The above types are the blood diamonds of the lot, no ethical John would want to use their services. It is best that the greedy or the financially compromised or the coerced among prostitutes should not be patronized. It is not too difficult to get a sense of who is viable based on this criteria. Broken family types who turn to pleasure and giving joy since they were so miserable are the only ethical choice – there is empathy between those who have a surfeit of companionship and those from the appropriate background and inclination. Those who do so out of an elektra complex or incenst or abused and ran away are being taken advantage of and should be counselled instead.

The worst of course are those who do it despite being wealthy. Greedy! Though insecure is not as bad. Too wealthy to be a prostitute – there is such a thing as reverse economic snobbery that the poor can very well apply! The irony. These trolls, being vastly wealthier than the customers in some cases (the most off putting thing ever is a prostitute driving a luxury car, or a prostitute that drives at all! Mistresses though, I have no comment, though legalize polygamous marriages for non-Muslims, Mistresses exist because there is no requirement for VVIPs to commit – at least allow them the option though do not enforce, not Muslims in either case so use civil laws . . . ), makes sex with these characters a losing proposition for the customers, spirit wise that is.

There is a very fine balance to who can and cannot, in too many cases most are too far manipulated, or simply too victimised. In general though many others settle down after they get married, so the issue is not as serious excepting that the law offers no protection and the prostitutes have no recognized trade union and too many are overcome with greed and destroy the men who patronise them by being too expensive.


Hemp is bursting out all over! Friday, 08 July 2011 02:04 Acharya S Contributing Writers – Acharya S

In a world where bad news floods us, it’s just so great to see all the positive moves toward hemp legalization and cultivation, not only in the United States but also in various other places globally. Many countries, such as Hungary, France and Canada, have been years ahead of the U.S. in sensibly recognizing the value in growing the hemp plant for a wide variety of purposes, from fiber to oil to seed. Before I continue, however, I must make the usual disclaimer that by hemp, which comes from the cannabis genus but which contains insignificant amounts of the psychoactive chemical THC, I am not referring here to medical marijuana, which itself has merits on its own.

In any event, along with the burgeoning medical marijuana industry, the cultivation of hemp as a major resource and economy saver is likewise receiving a great deal of positive attention nationally, and it appears that the state of California is just a hair’s breadth away from passing the Industrial Hemp Farming Act or SB 676, introduced by Senator Mark Leno in February.

As a one-time denizen of Southern California who worked passionately as a hemp activist for a number of years, including faxing hemp information sheets to numerous law offices in the area, among other activities, I am delighted to see industrial hemp blooming into a potentially rich future harvest.

In 1994, I stood up at a Jerry-Brown-for-President press conference in Los Angeles and asked Brown – who was standing just a few feet away – whether or not it was time to look hemp as a means to solve many of the world’s resource problems. I’m told there’s a video of the exchange somewhere on Youtube.

Brown is now the governor of California, and I’d like to hope I planted a little hempseed, especially since he’s previously made unsupportive statements about the subject.

Go, California! Hemp could TRULY help revitalize the economy. Are you listening, Governor Brown? (And Feds?)

“Support for hemp farming and manufacturing in California has been very strong.”

Thanks also to the incomparable Jack Herer, RIP, whom I met a number of times and who inspired me to raise the issue with Jerry Brown.


SACRAMENTO, Calif., July 7, 2011 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ — Introduced by Senator Mark Leno earlier this year, SB 676, the Industrial Hemp Farming Act is moving quickly through the California Legislature. SB 676 would create an 8-year pilot program to allow industrial hemp farming in five California counties, Kern, Kings, Imperial, San Joaquin and Yolo. Passing through the Assembly Committee on Agriculture last week with a 6-0 vote, leading hemp advocacy organization, Vote Hemp, expects the bill to reach the Governor’s desk this September.

The bill has the endorsement of the UFCW, the Imperial County Farm Bureau, California Certified Organic Growers and other leading farming organizations. Dan Rush, UFCW  5 Statewide Special Operations Director, stated, “UFCW enthusiastically supports SB 676 because we see it as a jobs and revenue generator at a time when they are sorely needed in California.”…

“Support for hemp farming and manufacturing in California has been very strong. It is passing through committee after committee with a positive reception. We expect this bill to be on its way to the Governor’s desk by early September. Governor Brown will then have 30 days to act on the bill,” explains Patrick Goggin, California Legal Counsel for Vote Hemp.

The bill clarifies that industrial hemp is separate and distinct from forms of Cannabis used to produce marijuana and if passed will allow commercial farming of industrial hemp in five counties (Imperial, Kern, Kings, San Joaquin and Yolo) under an 8-year pilot program. Industrial hemp was grown in California up until shortly after World War II. Industrial hemp is the non-psychoactive, low-THC, oilseed and fiber varieties of the Cannabis sativa plant. Hemp has absolutely no value as a recreational drug….

A variety of products made from industrial hemp including healthy food and natural body care products as well as eco-friendly clothing are made in California. “There are over 50 member businesses of the Hemp Industries Association (HIA) that make or sell hemp products in the state of California alone that could benefit from an in-state source of hemp seed, fiber and oil,” says Eric Steenstra, Executive Director of the HIA. “Because of outdated federal and state policies these businesses are forced to import millions of dollars of industrial hemp from Canada, China and Europe.” Companies that manufacture or sell products made with hemp include Dr. Bronner’s Magic Soaps, a California company that manufactures the number-one-selling natural soap in the U.S. as well as best-selling hemp food manufacturers, such as French Meadow Bakery, Living Harvest, Manitoba Harvest, Nature’s Path, Nutiva and Sequel Naturals who make their products from hemp grown in Canada. Major companies such as Ford Motors, Patagonia and The Body Shop also use sustainable hemp seed, fiber and oil.

“Dr. Bronner’s currently purchases twenty tons of hemp oil each year from Canada. We look forward to the day that we can meet our supply needs from hemp produced right here in our home state,” says David Bronner, President of Dr. Bronner’s Magic Soaps of Escondido.

On May 11th, Rep. Ron Paul introduced The Industrial Hemp Farming Act of 2011 (H.R. 1831) in Congress along with 22 co-sponsors including 6 Representatives from California (Farr, McClintock, Miller, Rohrabacher, Stark, Woolsey). If passed, H.R. 1831 will remove federal restrictions on the cultivation of industrial hemp.

To date, 17 states have passed pro-hemp laws or resolutions, including the California Assembly in 1999 when it passed a resolution declaring that “the Legislature should consider action to revise the legal status of industrial hemp to allow for its growth in California as an agricultural and industrial crop…

The Hemp Industries Association (HIA) represents the interests of the hemp industry and encourages the research and development of new hemp products. Vote Hemp is a national, single-issue, non-profit organization dedicated to the acceptance of and a free market for low-THC industrial hemp and to changes in current law to allow U.S. farmers to once again grow this agricultural crop. More information about hemp legislation and the crop’s many uses may be found at and

SOURCE Vote Hemp
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Apart from licensing organic drugs manufacturing businesses for hemp or other organic psychedelics, it is best to not allow monopolies to occur via :

1) Allow growing for own use up to 1000 sq ft per person
2) Controlling Prices (make sales per ounce limited to USD$3)
3) Allowing Storage for own use (3 cubic metres max?)

General Information :

Legalise red light districts so that spillover into Muslim parts of town will not occur. At the same time, adult service business operators should not traffick people (though snakeheading the consensual is an entirely different matter), otherwise  crackdowns will be difficult to defend while attempts to legalise and properly zone red light areas will also be affected.

Non-Muslim services from haram food processing, to alcohol to gambling to adult industry should not be affected by Ramadan. Consider a dedicated Nudist Beach or Park or City area if you are up to it. Religion has no injunctions against those who are not members of the faith.

I don’t think during the Prophet’s PBUH time any such commandment was made against non-Muslim ‘Quarters’ of town. Maybe some lesser personages did this before, but one should follow the Prophet not less personages. After all who did Malaikat Jibril visit and talk to. The Prophet or some clergy born generations later?

It’s not the job of anyone to prohibit or punish, Allah did not give anyone the right to punish non-Muslims, even Muslims, for personal sins at least (which in fact include drinking alcohol or eating pork or visiting adult industry venues btw), though later in the afterlife will the offenders be punished.

The Hon. (YB) Chor Chee Heung and the Hon. (YB) Goh Leong San, (also Datuk Khaw Boon Pin or Dato Dr Choong Sim Poey patrons of Penang Heritage Trust) are the ‘alpha male’ parallels of Bung Mokhtar, Ibrahim Ali (pity he’s still racist) and other Obedient Wives Club members (the above mentioned 4 should be made honorary members of the OWC if not form a non-Muslim branch of the same). Men with emancipated minds need places and organisations to match their emancipated . . . well you get the idea, though some might not necessarily indulge though they advocate FREEDOM to live as Voltaire does.

With some effort, polygamy could be extended to the minorities in Malaysia too, and hopefully by efforts of MPs and would-be MPs not yet on the scene legalized Adult Services Industries as well as gambling licenses for non-4D based outlets as well. The issue is zoning and price control so that patrons will not be impoverished should they be inclined to over-indulge.

Luminaries among intelligensia and self determinism who do advocate appropriate spaces for all expressions of humanity, Sir Ahmed Salman Rushdie and the Venerable Sardar Khushwant Singh, could be invited to advise, though once again to remind, all of the above are only relevant to non-Muslims and in urgent need of implementation wherever Dhimmitization or extreme Islam oppress non-Muslims.

Yingluck, Asia’s new flavor and Pakatan has Malaysia’s reply – Nurul Izzah – by Wong Choon Mei, Iskandar Dzulkarnain – 5th July 2011 (Malaysia Chronicle)

In Uncategorized on January 30, 2012 at 2:52 pm
 Yingluck Shinawatra, Thailand’s new and first woman prime minister, is now the hottest name in all of Asia. Not only because this is a landmark political change for Thailand, but also because of her ‘X’ factor, her special oomph due to a combination of fantastic youthful looks and charisma. It remains to be seen how Yingluck performs as a leader but she has already won the hearts and minds of the Thais. In Malaysia, we have someone waiting in the wings. She is not yet ready , not for a few years more but she is definitely a potential with a capital P, much to the chargin of another youth rival, UMNO’s Khairy Jamaluddin. Of course, we are talking about Nurul Izzah Anwar, the daughter of Opposition Leader Anwar Ibrahim. She is young, ambitious, bright and has all the qualities needed to lead. Especially the ones that have gone missing for ages in the scandal-tainted Malaysian political scene – integrity and honesty. Even so, within the Pakatan Rakyat opposition coalition, there is so much talent, she will have to wait her turn. However, in the wake of the Yingluck victory, Izzah had better prepare for the UMNO spin mills to churn plots and conspiracies aimed at sowing dissatisfaction amongst the Pakatan leaders. Why do you think some former UMNO leaders were so kind as to start an Izzah-for-PM campaign if not to shoot poison arrows and to demoralize the other deserving candidates in Pakatan? But Izzah is smart enough to catch this. She also knows she has to tread carefully. One of the main reasons is that supporters in Pakatan tend to be more realistic than those in Prime Minister Najib Razak’s UMNO-BN. Especially rife in UMNO is the culture of hero-worship, while dynastic politics is also the order of the day. In fact, no one can be prime minister of Malaysia except for Najib cousin’s Hishammuddin Hussein, Mahathir’s son Mukhriz and then back to Najib’s son. In between will be the seat warmers like Abdullah Badawi and soon-to-be-PM Muhyiddin Yassin.
Even wannabe Khairy Jamaluddin, Badawi’s son-in-law who tried to break into the old-boys-club, has slim chances and the only way for him would be to use a lot of money if he seriously wants in at the very top. Talent parade As hero-worship and family politics still rule the local scene, Nurul must be very careful she does not trigger the same sort of crticism for the Pakatan and her own PKR party. Even though she is a first-time MP, her passion for truth and capacity for hard work has set her apart. But people being people, they are to bound to say she got there the easy way, through her famous dad and mum. And this is why she has had to work all the harder. But surely, if Izzah continues, she will get somewhere one day. Who amongst the women in Malaysia has really been successful so far – Rafidah Aziz? Ng Yen Yen, Shahrizat Jalil? Would you vote for them? Within Pakatan though, women who can give Izzah a really tough challenge are many and these include, Dr Siti Mariah Mahumud, Lo’Lo Ghazali, Teresa Kok, Fuziah Salleh and the very gutsy Zuraida Kamaruddin. If we take away the gender wall, there are even more talents she has to get past. Her male contemporaries would include include Azmin Ali, Nizar Jamaluddin, Mohamad Sabu, Lim Guan Eng, N Surendran, Nik Nazmi, Tian Chua and Tony Pua, Khalid Samad and Dzulkefly Ahmad. These are just some names plucked because of their visibility. What about those still unknown and still waiting to be honed? In 10 years or so, when current batch of top leaders – Anwar, Hadi, Kit Siang, Karpal, Nik Aziz, Chua Jui Meng – give up their positions, the current second-liners must step in. Nurul and Co. would be ‘old’ faces by then. Spine of steel But for now, there is a quest for excellence that she and her colleagues must keep chasing and not rest on their laurels. Youth is wonderful but to govern a nation, maturity is essential especially political maturity. Or Pakatan would become like Najib and the UMNO elite, resorting to Datuk T and Commie plots to stay alive.
Pakatan Rakyat, when it comes to power, must make sure it stops emulating extinct UMNO culture and transform the nation into a democratic government that embraces new politics. Malaysians must start getting used to younger and more energetic leaders helming the nation. Age and gender should never be the criteria but obviously, aspirants must be fit, healthy and above all honest and accountable to the people. It won’t be so soon for Nurul and she still has to prove herself. One reason why some ‘evil’ people tried to make her compete against Azmin the PKR No. 2 post was to try and make her overconfident and become arrogant like Khairy. But Wan Azizah, her mother, has done a good job. Search for Izzah and you find a lady – tall, skinny, a little bit geeky and very determined. But rooted to the ground and very filial. This is why her enemies failed. Even so, she must be careful because more and more devious tricks and traps will be designed for her in the days ahead. This was why some of her colleagues advised her not to go for the vice-presidency so as not to fuel the image of UMNO family politics in PKR and to shield her from harm before her time really comes. But she is too popular and the members demanded her inclusion. Not surprisingly, in a one-member-one-vote election, she topped the list. After winning, she has been smart enough to hold back and watch and learn from her more experienced team-mates. Truth be told, it is very easy to gather experience. It is an essential quality but should never be used as a tool against her or other young leaders when their time comes. But our guess is she will be too smart to rush for it. With fresh looks, new ideas and an energetic ‘corporate’ feel on her side, Izzah has the potential to lead the country to new heights and put it on a more credible international footing. Malaysians are looking for a more moderate, modern and functional democracy. And Izzah should be able to achieve this for them. She has the political will and courage to make the break from the past.
Don’t underestimate her youth, there is steel in her. And she doesn’t blow with the wind. All she needs is a competent team drawn from the three Pakatan parties to help shape vision, strategy and execution. Riding on the Izzah gravy train On a personal level, she is married with 2 kids and juggles her political career with her family life. She is also academically well qualified, with a Masters degree from the United States. She speaks flawless English, which will help Malaysia’s international image. Although even if she couldn’t, it wouldn’t be such a big deal. She is also musically inclined, able to sing and play the guitar. She is a down-to-earth person, who is already a hit with the people. Like her famous father, she can hold an intelligent argument, articulates well on most platforms and issues and writes well. Just like Anwar Ibrahim, she can unite the Pakatan Rakyat although the coalition is already settling down and less glue than before is needed to get the parties working together. Yingluck’s win must have set alarm bells ringing in Putrajaya, with the top bosses and their strategists furiously plotting ways to fend off the new and unwelcome threat of young opposition leaders catching fire with the masses. They will surely try to neutralize Izzah’s instant appeal. Like Yingluck, she has a face worth a million votes, and Pakatan Rakyat is lucky to get a chance to ride on her gravy train. It is possible UMNO Puteri is now under pressure, and Umi Hafilda would have been an option if she was 10 years younger and had made less a villianess of herself. These are changing times. New trends have to yet to settle but the people have reached a point where they know what they want. It is inevitable Malaysians will follow the flavor of the world despite the hyperactive machinations of the existing ruling regime. In fact, the more they show their hand, the greater they instil in the people the sense and urgency for change. So political Malaysia – at the highest echelon – will not remain the domain of men. Unlike UMNO’s Hamidah Othman, who once famously said, women can never be chief ministers, Malaysian women will stride out. They are unstoppable! Watch this trend unfurl in GE14 and 15. – Malaysia Chronicle
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“Not surprisingly, in a one-member-one-vote election, she topped the list. . . . With fresh looks, new ideas and an energetic ‘corporate’ feel on her side, Izzah has the potential to lead the country to new heights and put it on a more credible international footing.”
HOOOOOIIIIII Hold your horses you LIARS !!! That election quorum was only 8% rather than a 66% minimum. HONEST REPORTING PLEASE. This is OLD UMNO style politics, NEPOTISM style. Zaid is the honest one, because he left PKR in disgust. Chegu Bard is the honest one because he refused the PKR-VP’s post. Another one or 2 other MPs who at least protested are the honest ones because they were unsupportive. This ra-ra family oligarchy nepotism rubbish has to stop. Also Yingluck is a blight on the Thai political scene and a damning confirmation of the uneducated voter mentality in Thailand. Read the below if you are educated enough to grasp what I post : Try this one in relation to NEPOTISM on top of a failure to address seperation of powers, they can’t even seperate family from political party :
(1) If Thakshin becomes the PM, Yingluck cannot become PM in succession, or a dynasty will be formed and will set a bad example to politicians who lack the ethics to want the same. Love your family but not at the citizen’s expense. Not having the PM’s post in one’s family for generations is no sacrifice. Millions of Thailandns do not have the opportunity, so why should they vote for people who do not see the harm it can cause. If they do this will not come to past, but if it does (Thakshin as PM then Yingluck as PM in turn), then be prepared to vote for a 3rd Force Coalition for Pheu Thai merely replaces the existing Oligarchy of BN. This is what PM Badawi intended for Khairy in Malaysia and makes Pheu Thai citizen no better than Barisan in Malaysia. Nepotism is a sickness affecting too many of Thailand’s politicians, and their supporters know no better than to egg them on. This will create conflict of interest and make Pheu Thai’s governance and ethical paradigms untenable and begin a trend towards neopotism that will end in much misery for the people. Even blocs of MPs from the same family are causing conflict of interest in Parliament as of now. Only Tok Guru has had the statemanship and sense of ethics to demand his son-in-law to step down rather than fette him for leadership in PAS or GLCs.
(2) Anyone can look good on the podium, but to apply ethics and prevent conflict of interest via nepotism is the preserve of a handful of rare men like Tok Guru whom must propagate awareness of such ‘creeping individuals’. There are no such things as good actors. Only good roles.
(3) This country belongs to all Thais, no single family or group of families must be allowed to reserve seats much less the PM’s post, directly or indirectly because it insults the people’s intelligence. Why should they allow you to become a dynasty? Why not run as independents on this premise of preventing dynasties alone? In fact all those who have had MP posts in should step aside after they retire (or train UNRELATED proteges specifically to prevent conflict of interest to continue their good work) so that other families of this nation (names not of that current ‘MP Family’ via Oligarchy and reserved seat so unsubtle . . . ) can experience governing a nation and share that pride further among the populace in a manner that distributes this indirect influence having a PM or a former PM in a family offers.
(4) This right to be an MP or PM is to be shared by all Thailand citizens and if sequestered within ONE family, or a group of families results in Oligarchy and subsequent Dictatorship – not by 1 family but 222 families or less if you count the blocs of relatives within parliment and the personal networks that ultimately become oppressive of the people in time. (Google ‘Unmoderated Malaysian’ + The column that wasn’t – Marina Mahathir)
(5) Not having sons and daughters or relatives take up relinquished or retired seats is the essence of First World thought, this is the way REAL democracies must apply safeguards against nepotism to prevent conflict of interest, via strict and ethical politicians. I hope this warning will be taken to heart by the voters in preventing an Oligarchy or Fiefdoms and successive reservations of MP-ships or worse still Ministries and the DPM’s or PM’s post. There are unwritten rules clearly evident in application of ethics and prevention of conflict of interest via nepotism, and some of us aware will ensure that Dictatorship via an Oligarchy does not come to past. We can all be supportive of Thakshin or Yingluck alone (but only after both parents have retired) being PM, but not both in succession one after the other on the PM’s post. We also do not appreciate the fact that Thakshin, Wan and Yingluck, Kit and LGE, Karpal and Dio, Ngeh and Nga and a few others are forming the same family bloc style governments in PR as BN had. But if this continues when they become the mainstream dominant party, to intend to have Yingluck become PM after Thakshin becomes PM will result in the early death of Pheu Thai.
(6) Could Pheu Thai citizen promise the people they will not create conflict of interest via nepotism after they gain power? Likely Tok Guru is already there in such understanding and statesmanship, what of the rest? This country belongs to all of us equally, please ensure all of our families have achance to have had arelative who was PM or Minister or MP. The citizen expects the best from REPRESENTATIVES voted by citizen, not conflict of interest and nepotism via reservation of seats. FINALLY Yingluck (like her BN countepart KJ) is too young to be PM and if Thakshin becomes PM (like Pak Lah has earlier before . . . ), then Yingluck should never be PM to prevent nepotism and oligarchy. It was nepotism that tore BN apart as the sons of former PM’s fought for the future right to be PM, while they were fighting they became so weak that Pheu Thai easily took over as the non-nepotists within BN and the citizen became disgusted with BN and went to Pakatan seeking a difference.
Thakshin/Yingluck trend is no different from Pak-Lah/KJ trend. Beware you nepotists of Pheu Thai! You’re headed down BN’s path . . . If Yingluck means business, she will ensure the best for her fellow citizens by sacrificing her ill gained opportunity to be PM to set an example to all would be Oligarchs within Pheu Thai citizen and even BN. There is no shortage of arrogance among Pheu Thai citizen’s MPs and adun as of now, this fetting of Yingluck as PM after Thakshin’s PMship could be the straw that breaks the Pheu Thai camel’s back – do not test the tolerance of the citizen, administer and form no dynasties or the individuals mentioned could also get out of Pheu Thai and let ETHICAL statesmen arise to govern Thailand . . .
Otherwise we will need to vote for a 3rd Force coalition instead with best invites to a most respected and ethical PAS party to join 3rd Force and lead by example (though minor technicalities remain unclarified) We do not need nepotists tearing up DEMOCRACY, they will find they have bitten off more than they can chew. Remove these feral political animals from our midst ! I do not care even if English Caucasian neo-colonial crowds love them. They are HARMING DEMOCRACY ! This shameless and bold faced promotion of a dynasty in waiting has gone on far enough, beware the teeth of the citizen, we will not tolerate a second BN via this NEPOTISM . . . just imagine if an Ayatolla appointed his son as the next Ayatolla, same thing with PMs or Heads of Political parties ! NO TO CONFLICT OF INTEREST ! YES TO ETHICS ! YES TO EQUALITY ! YES TO FREEDOM !
***Shame on you. How could you betray the citizen with nepotism? Ethics and conflict of interest are something you have yet to learn . . . I’d rather deal with negotiating about an Islamic State than mindlessly accepting a far more dangerous Nepotistic State, for people lacking ethics will stop at no lengths to retain power and even murder with C4 in time to come . . . I will concede that Nurul  could be a leader IN THE CASE that no PKR second liners who have had no relatives in PKR fail to become popular enough.
The ethical choice for Thailand would be someone causing the LEAST conflict of interest, and between Yingluck who has had her brother as PM (even after they retired), and an unknown second liner Phuey Thai Paty member (don’t tell me there isn’t anyone?!?), the latter would be a better choice simply by lack of having an advantage via oligarchy. Those who have had all the opportunities MUST ALWAYS defer to those who have not. And that would be true leadership being displayed, not this cult of family/mindless follower mentality promulgated by supposedly ‘erstwhile’ cybertrooper article writers and the globalist hegemonists.
Talk about 3rd world mentality in unprincipled treatment of politics and lack of statesmenship in Thailand! Thai voters your memories are short, did you forget that Thaksin tried to defraud with the aid of SingTel USD$1.9 billion from the Thai people with Yingluck in Charge of Thai Telecom? Do you know who the SingTel counterpart was who colluded with Thaksin’s son and sister, now PM? Lee Kuan Yew’s son both exact parallels an colluding to harm the citizens of both nations. If you cannot put 1 and 1 together, then you will get ZERO for your country as the international collusion destroys you and your country in time. Why do you encourage this Wong Choon Mei? HONEST REPORTING PLEASE. If this is a feminist foray for you, then readers, you already know where this is childishly leading. Gender politics cannot override GOOD and ETHICAL POLITICS. Nurul has no business in politics until both her parents are no longer active in politics and if Anwar does become PM, Nurul should not in tuen become PM as well, we might as well be back in Pak Lah’s time when KJ was slated to be OM immediately after him but dr.Evil wanting Mukhriz tore UMNO apart internally even as hatred for APARTHEID grew. This is a promotionary propaganda piece for PR by Wong Choon Mei and Iskandar Dzulkarnain neglecting so many facts ! Tsk tsk tsk, a Pakatan Rakyat Information Ministry in the making !
*** Commentary : This response was not allowed on Malaysian Chronicle. Most Information Ministry worthy. I am disappointed that instead of refuting or rebutting, Malaysia Chronicle has decided to be an authoritarian media portal favouring PR and ignoring the citizens’ comments. Beware voters, as mentioned many times before, it could be critical that Selangor and Penang MUST be controlled by neutral parties neither BN nor PR dominated, and East Malaysia controlled by East Malaysian local political parties ONLY, with the remainded left for Pakatan Rakyat, OTHERWISE Pakatan Rakyat with its burgeoning nepotists and oligarchs will become a second BN. The treatment of the comments in complete removal and censorship, are an indicator of the mentality that Pakatan Rakyat likely has. As in the title of this dishonest article, Yingluck is indeed like Nurul – both nepotists and from oligarch form political parties. #rd Force, Independent MPs, remove the 50% of nepotists from Pakatan by challenging them ! A RELATED REPOSTING WARNING ABOUT NEPOTISM : Please note the Oligarchs in Pakatan as listed below : NEPOTISM IN PAKATAN RAKYAT Three of the below must be challenged so that only a single candidate without relatives remains : Lim Kit Siang (MP Ipoh Timur – Perak) Lim Guan Eng (MP Air Puteh – Penang) Chew Gek Cheng (Assemblyman Kota Laksamana – Malacca) Guan Eng’s wife Lim Hui Ying Guan Eng’s sister (Vice-Chairman) Two of the below must be challenged so that only a single candidate without relatives remains : Karpal Singh (MP Jelutong – Penang) Gobind Singh (MP Puchong – Selangor) Karpal’s son Jagdeep Singh (Asssemblyman Dato Keramat – Penang) Karpal’s son Two of the below must be challenged so that only a single candidate without relatives remains : Anwar Ibrahim (MP Permatang Pauh, Seberang Prai) Wan Azizah Nurul Izzah Anwar(MP Lembah Pantai – Kuala Lumpur) Anwar’s Daughter Also either Ngeh (Pantai Remis) or Nga (Sitiawan) must go to prevent 2nd degree nepotism and the kind of environment that caused DAP’s Kulasegaran, PKR’s Gobalakrishnan, to be kicked out possibly an act of racism but more likely at the order of the Lim Dynasty clique. BN of course we do not need to discuss, blocs of relatives galore. Nepotism: Umno controlled by 3 families. – by Patric McClean
For even stronger consideration, I also list seats that HRP demands : 1. Padang Serai (Incumbent: PKR – N Gobalakrishnan) 2. Batu Kawan (DAP – Ramasamy) 3. Sungei Siput (PSM – Dr D Jeyakumar) 4. Ipoh Barat (DAP – N Kulasegaran) 5. Bagan Datoh (BN – Ahmad Zahid Hamidi) 6. Cameron Highlands (BN – SK Devamany) 7. Hulu Selangor (BN – P Kamalanathan) 8. Kuala Selangor (PAS – Dzulkefy Ahmad) 9. Klang (DAP – Charles Santiago) 10. Kota Raja (PAS – Siti Mariah Mahmud) 11. Rasah (DAP – Anthony Loke) 12. Teluk Kemang (PKR – Kamarul Baharin Abbas) 13. Alor Gajah (BN – Fong Chan Onn) 14. Tebrau (BN – Teng Boon Soon) 15. Lembah Pantai (PKR – Nurul Izzah Anwar) HRP might very well be aware of some things we are not aware of to list some surprising choices as well, do not discount their reasons. PSM’s Jeyakumar appears to have been bought by BN though, so their viability is uncertain until PSM’s clique leadership changes. I have done some probing and casual calls to PSM, they are not very grassroots, DAP of course (also tried earlier) is far worse and absolutely TREACHEROUS and clique based and beholden to SINGAPORE’s PAP. I would not be surprised if the nepotists in DAP are rounded up a 2nd time, for collusions with Singapore to subvert Malaysian Federal authority instead amongst other things like ‘neurotech abuse’. Everyone else, should meanwhile stand as independents in any constituency with bad assemblymen or MPs or people who do not endorse term limits and asset declarations. Here’s something that will help voters decide if candidacy is not their thing or too expensive : Barisan – Apartheid, Corrupt and Nepotistic-Oligarchs Pakatan – Corrupt and Nepotistic-Oligarchs (excepting PAS) 3rd Force – Corrupt Only (watch Marina’s cliques as well) Pick the coalition with the least flaws. End the APARTHEID ! Destroy the Oligarchs in all political coalitions ! 3rd Force is best.

2 Articles For a Quick Look Into Pakatan Coalition’s Agendas – posted by @AgreeToDisagree – late February 2012

In Equality, Fundamentalism, Invasive Laws, Islam, Law, Malaysia, Muslims, non-Muslim rights, non-Muslim Rights in a Muslim country, Pakatan, Pakatan Rakyat Coalition, social freedoms, spirit of the law, word of the law on January 30, 2012 at 10:52 am


Hadi not wanting to contest in GE-13 a sign something is wrong – Awang Adek – Sunday, 29 January 2012 07:42

KOTA BAHARU — The intention voiced by Pas President Datuk Seri Abdul Hadi Awang not to contest in the 13th general election clearly indicates that there is something wrong in the party, according to Kelantan Umno Liaison Committee deputy chairman Datuk Dr Awang Adek Hussein.

He said the public statement made by the party president was something really extraordinary and was a sign that the party was passing though a severe crisis.

“This (decision) is probably resulting from the conflict in PAS, including from the sacking of Selangor PAS commissioner Datuk Dr Hasan Ali.

“This situation will probably give a major blow to PAS spiritual leader, Datuk Nik Abdul Aziz Nik Mat, as he is the one who should be making such a decision after holding the post of Kelantan Menteri Besar for too long,” he said.

Earlier, Dr Awang Adek witnessed the signing of a memorandum of understanding (MoU)between AFPM Lifestyle Sdn Bhd and Jalinan Prospek (M) Bhd here.


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Save for the Hudud issue, PAS is really the ethical soul of Pakatan Rakyat now. Removal of Nepotistic family blocs? – PAS leads. Term limitless leaders stepping aside? PAS leads. Fiat currency replcement with PMs? PAS leads. If PAS can endorse with intent to grant :

1) Freedom from Apartheid/Fascism
2) Freedom from Religious-Persecution/Religious-Supremacy. (address UNHCR Article 18 for Malays)
3) Equality for all ethnicities and faiths in all aspects of policy, Law and Constitution.

;as well as ensure that non-Muslim entertainments are fully allowed in their entirety in the appropriate districts (i.e. obviously non-Muslim and non-religious areas), even the Indians and Chinese would be happy to vote for PAS.

PAS btw needs to make the PAS supporter’s members FULL members with equal votes as well.

Good work Hadi, a political party is not a family clan or clique association, insular as Hadi is and being from PAS, the other members of Pakatan Coalition should learn from a wise man – end all term limitless politicians and nepotistic family blocs in all political parties!


Umno goes after Guan Eng’s daughter now: She ‘changed for the better’ after NS – by YB Chief Minister Lim Guan Eng – Saturday, 28 January 2012 12:41

My family and I are upset at the statement made by Defence Minister Datuk Seri Dr Ahmad Zahid Hamidi in Sibu yesterday, dragging my daughter into his latest spin that the National Service (NS) training programme is now widely accepted and trusted by parents for the positive effect it has on their children.

Datuk Seri Ahmad Zahid claimed that both my father and me had seen how my daughter had changed for the better after attending the programme in Balik Pulau NS camp in Penang.

This is untrue. My daughter is a good kid and is the same before and after joining the NS Camp. Both my father and I had never told the Defence Minister as claimed by him and neither had we thanked him for it.

Respect my daughter’s right to privacy

My daughter was selected to join the NS Camp for the 2008-9 session and she had duly complied. We have never talked about my daughter’s experiences, good or bad in NS, because she is still under 21 and a student who is not involved in politics.

My family and I love our daughter and want to protect her privacy. We have shielded her from the glare of publicity so that she can grow up and enjoy life with her friends as a normal kid. We hope that Datuk Seri Ahmad can respect my daughter’s privacy and not drag her into his political games to justify the NS programme.

If children of politicians venture into public life involving public interest, then they are subject to public scrutiny. However for BN leaders to try to use my children as political capital to boost BN when they are still studying and not involved in public life is wrong and regrettable.

Even my son was accused of molest and till now there is no apology

This is not the first time that my children have been unfairly targeted by BN and UMNO leaders. Last year, my 15 year old son was defamed by UMNO leaders and UMNO Online for sexually molesting his classmate and that I have to pay RM200,000 to cover-up the scandal and transfer my son to another school. A picture of the alleged girl victim of my son was even put up by the UMNO blogs.

This cruel and barbaric lie by UMNO against my minor son was quickly exposed when the picture of the girl victim was discovered to be a fake and belonged to a Hong Kong chess grandmaster who had never met me or my son. So far no UMNO leaders had apologised to my son and me for this vicious lie that had caused my son to miss school for 2 days.

Leave my kids alone

I urge UMNO and BN leaders to throw your lies at me if you must but please leave my children alone. They are still studying and are not in politics. By continuing to drag my children with lies or misrepresentation, is an act of desperation that shows their lack of moral values and absence of ethical judgment.

Have BN and UMNO leaders run of ideas and ideals that their only political capital is to preach lies and hate not only against PR leaders but also at our children?

Lim Guan Eng is the Penang Chief Minister and DAP secretary-general

***Commentator comments : Sunday, 29 January 2012 03:17 posted by @Lord Jim
LGE is better off not even talking about the matter and giving absolutely no oxygen to those who have sunk so low as to, this time, use his daughter to score cheap points (i.e. LGE will sell his own children for political power). Just like when it was his son, LGE is milking it a bit too much.It is not that people do not know scUMNO etc are a bunch of low-class pondlife and would resort to this kind of antics, everyone do know that – that is, after all, scUMNO’s stock in trade! It cannot but operate like the low lives they are! LGE should ignore this new round of attempt at cheap scoring of worthless points, he is no naive operator himself, stand above all these, leave his children out of it all, not mention a word as squealing or bleeding indignation is what those monkeys are after. LGE can stir it for all it he thinks is worth but at the end of it all, we already know scUMNO etc would behave exactly the way he describes. LGE should just treat it like no skin off his nose, water off a duck’s back – or where justified, a lawsuit or two if there is any case to be made.

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Doesn’t surprise since DAP was equally withering when KJ went for his stint. Stop this political points scoring, its detestable, more so when NS itself does not have an abstention or opt out option. Forced Military Conscription is a very backward thing to endorse, don’t insult the voters and stop militarising the populace.

General Reminders On Voting – AgreeToDisagree – July 2011

In Uncategorized on January 29, 2012 at 4:07 pm
5th columnism and potential proxy propaganda-ism is as detestable and treacherous, unethical and untrustworthy. If Utusan is not another false flag newspaper to continue enriching the term-limitless oligarchs and nepotists on BOTH BN or PR sides, the Sultans should nab Malaysia Chronicle for fomenting the destruction of Malaysia via foreign elements on behalf of DAP being proxy of PAP, PAP being proxy of USA, USA being proxy of the anti-goyim elememts of Zion.
This is a Nusantaran cultural region, if Utusan is a proxy somehow to ‘draw ire’ so that Malaysia can be toppled by ‘Zionists’ (Jews and Israelis who can respect religious diversity are not Zionists btw), then it deserves no support or quarter from the Fede4ral government either. If the Federal government is in fact doing the same, the Rakyat shhould give no vote to the ruling coalition at all. It is that simple, unless the Rakyat wants to become a PIIGS nation and like in homless shelters and subsist on food stamps with the bankster-Fed-Reserve owning Malaysia.
The problem is DEAR RAKYAT (I am not addressing Malaysia Chronicle-DAP-PAP-USA-Zion or the QE2/Pope/Mson/Inns-of-Law worshipping segments of UMNO-BN) and simple citizens who want autonomy for Malaysia, if BN itself and Pakatan are both foreign run outfits, it will be better to run for independent candidacy and attempt to warn any last ethical citizens here to drop both coalitions PR and BN in favour of local and non-Internationally affiliated, non-plutocrats who are non-nepotistic as well. Make sure you know who you vote for. A REAL Malaysian who knows what Malaysia is or should be, or the globalist hegemonist banksters mentioned in so many ‘advanced’ websites as discussed who are not neutral citizens but slaves of so many who intend to foster neo-feudalism in absolutist governance paradigms which I have been addressing in my links.
Again to help you think on how to vote : A RELATED REPOSTING WARNING ABOUT NEPOTISM : Please note the Oligarchs in Pakatan as listed below : NEPOTISM IN PAKATAN RAKYAT Three of the family blocs below must be challenged so that only a single candidate without relatives remains :
Lim Kit Siang (MP Ipoh Timur – Perak)
Lim Guan Eng (MP Air Puteh – Penang)
Chew Gek Cheng (Assemblyman Kota Laksamana – Malacca) Guan Eng’s wife
Lim Hui Ying Guan Eng’s sister (Vice-Chairman)
Two of the below must be challenged so that only a single candidate without relatives remains :
Karpal Singh (MP Jelutong – Penang)
Gobind Singh (MP Puchong – Selangor) Karpal’s son
Jagdeep Singh (Asssemblyman Dato Keramat – Penang) Karpal’s son
Two of the below must be challenged so that only a single candidate without relatives remains :
Anwar Ibrahim (MP Permatang Pauh, Seberang Prai)
Wan Azizah
Nurul Izzah Anwar(MP Lembah Pantai – Kuala Lumpur)
Anwar’s Daughter Also either Ngeh (Pantai Remis) or Nga (Sitiawan) must go to prevent 2nd degree nepotism and the kind of environment that caused DAP’s Kulasegaran, PKR’s Gobalakrishnan, to be kicked out possibly an act of racism but more likely at the order of the Lim Dynasty clique. BN of course we do not need to discuss, blocs of relatives galore.
Nepotism: Umno controlled by 3 families. – by Patric McClean
MCA, MIC, Gerakan also littered with nepotism – political parties are not family clan associations (family clan associations being unpopular enough already due to the same politicking as well whu=ich drives same named families away from the same structures . . . ).
For even stronger consideration, I also list seats that HRP demands :
1. Padang Serai (Incumbent: PKR – N Gobalakrishnan)
2. Batu Kawan (DAP – Ramasamy)
3. Sungei Siput (PSM – Dr D Jeyakumar)
4. Ipoh Barat (DAP – N Kulasegaran)
5. Bagan Datoh (BN – Ahmad Zahid Hamidi)
6. Cameron Highlands (BN – SK Devamany)
7. Hulu Selangor (BN – P Kamalanathan)
8. Kuala Selangor (PAS – Dzulkefy Ahmad)
9. Klang (DAP – Charles Santiago)
10. Kota Raja (PAS – Siti Mariah Mahmud)
11. Rasah (DAP – Anthony Loke)
12. Teluk Kemang (PKR – Kamarul Baharin Abbas)
13. Alor Gajah (BN – Fong Chan Onn)
14. Tebrau (BN – Teng Boon Soon)
15. Lembah Pantai (PKR – Nurul Izzah Anwar)
HRP might very well be aware of some things we are not aware of to list some surprising choices as well, do not discount their reasons. PSM’s Jeyakumar appears to have been bought by BN though, so their viability is uncertain until PSM’s clique leadership changes. I have done some probing and casual calls to PSM, they are not very grassroots and quite a clique based outfit very suspicious of outsiders.
DAP of course (also tried earlier) is far worse and absolutely TREACHEROUS and clique based and beholden to SINGAPORE’s PAP. I would not be surprised if the nepotists in DAP are rounded up a 2nd time, for collusions with Singapore to subvert Malaysian Federal authority instead amongst other things like ‘neurotech abuse’.
Everyone else, should meanwhile stand as independents in any constituency with bad assemblymen or MPs or people who do not endorse term limits and asset declarations. Here’s something that will help voters decide if candidacy is not their thing or too expensive :
Barisan – Apartheid, Corrupt and Nepotistic-Oligarchs
Pakatan – Corrupt and Nepotistic-Oligarchs (excepting PAS)
3rd Force – Corrupt Only
Independents – any citizen can be an independent, think you are not a plutocrat (worth less than 20 million), will respect term limits and not write 750K/120K funeral laws in favour of yourself? Not racist? Then run for election! The world needs you!
BN = 90% Apartheid, 90% Nepotism, 90% Corrupt
PR = 50% Nepotism, 50% Corrupt
3rd Force = 0% Nepotism, 0% Corruption
Yourself running for candidacy means the flaws or benefits and freedoms you bring.
Pick the coalition with the least flaws. End the APARTHEID ! Destroy the Oligarchs in all political coalitions ! 3rd Force is best. Beware voters, as mentioned many times before, it could be critical that Selangor and Penang MUST be controlled by neutral parties neither BN nor PR dominated, and East Malaysia controlled by local East Malaysian political parties ONLY (not Peninsular Coalitions like BN or PR), with the remainded left for Pakatan Rakyat, OTHERWISE Pakatan Rakyat with its burgeoning nepotists and oligarchs will become a second BN.
Here’s something that will help voters decide if candidacy is not their thing or too expensive : Pick the coalition with the least flaws. End the APARTHEID ! Destroy the Oligarchs in all political coalitions ! 3rd Force is best. End APARTHEID, nepotism and corrupted plutocracy or keep killing the nation. No self serving and racist political coalitions filled with lapdogs who do not know what citizen equality is.
Why 0% Nepotism? Unless entire families run en bloc, most likely will be without relatives. Why 0% corruption? Because not been in government before, so never had a chance to write 750K funerals for self, or buy a Scorpene sub. Choose the best.
If both coalitions’ candidates BN and PR are nepotistic or corrupt or racist, term limitless, then run for candidacy yourself. I’m sure the constituents will donate a ringgit or 2 so that APARTHEID will end,so that they get an MP that will not be a threat to them. Pakatan should ideally not win EVERYTHING with BN holding 1/3 of Peninsular Malaysia seats and East Malaysia being entirely East Malaysian party controlled without any Pakatan presence.
SUPP of East Malaysia may have difficulty so long as it associates with BN. If it LEFT BN, it might have fought better against DAP. As long as it remains in BN, SUPP is a mere lapdog. SUPP is just kidding itself if it thinks the minorities will accept being 2nd class citizens. Even with young candidates, there is no difference. A young lapdog is still a lapdog. SUPP leave BN and run on the below 3 items or disappear by GE13 :
1) Freedom from Apartheid/Fascism
2) Freedom from Religious-Persecution/Religious-Supremacy.
3) Equality for all ethnicities and faiths in all aspects of policy, Law and Constitution.
I’d like to see SUPP sweep Sarawak and even Sabah rather than let DAP take over East Malaysia. But with the shadow of UMNO domination and 2nd class citizenship and tacit approval Bumiputra APARTHEID hanging above their heads by being a BN member, SUPP has no chance at all of gaining the minority vote. Leave BN SUPP, if you stay in BN SUPP will be finished and we citizens will have to find a non-BN altemative to dealing with DAP then. PKR/DAP(potential but quietly Christian fundos) as you know are inclined to write 750K/120K funerals for themselves and are VERY nepotistic, do not want to respect MP or Assemblyman term limits (meaning members in Pakatan will NEVER have the chance to be MPs or Assemblymen, no independent thought in Pakatan Rakyat, no better than Barisan) and aligned with foreign powers in the order of PAP-USA-Zion-Illuminati (which has the intention of wiping out Islam).
Pakatan Rakyat must not dominate either Peninsular Malaysia or East Malaysia, East Malaysia must be dominated by local East Malaysian parties that are not beholden to UMNO-BN and Bumi-APARTHEID. You’re an old man George Chan, think like one. Denounce APARTHEID and become as popular as DAP by doing the same thing. Challenging UMNO. No hard feelings UMNO, but if you guys endorse the above 3 items, you (at least the non-plutocrats or less obviously racist or those able to show repentence from racism) could still survive GE13 (with corruption issues certan to be unearthed even as dr.Evil is being outed by the likes of Ling Liong Sik, it’s not about that failed and highly unfair apartheid Bumi concept anymore, it’s about the 2/3rds of the world’s population and their aggrieved cousins living here in Malaysia seeking merely equality.
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PR MPs Are The Real Heroes By Exposing KR1M Scheme – YB Tony Pua (MP for Petaling Jaya)- 17 November 2011

In 1% tricks and traps, 3rd Force on January 16, 2012 at 10:25 am
Pakatan Rakyat members of parliament have over the past 2 weeks exposed the fact that many of the goods sold in Kedai Rakyat 1Malaysia (KR1M) were not only substandard, illegal and unhealthy, many of these products were also not cheaper than products sold in existing hypermarkets. We were criticised by the Domestic Trade, Cooperatives and Consumerism Minister, Ismail Sabri as being unfair by not comparing “apple to apple”, that is we should not be comparing 1Malaysia products with house-branded products from Tesco, Giant or Carrefour.
However, we have proven that the comparison was indeed not “apple to apple” for products such as the “oyster sauce” because the sauce from Tesco contained real oyster extracts, the 1Malaysia product had only flavouring and no oysters. At the same time, the comparison of 1Malaysia milk powder with that of Nestlé’s Nespray 1+ demonstrated not only that the former is a far inferior product but also the fact that the latter was 24% cheaper.
The 1Malaysia milk powder was short of at least 15 legally required vitamins and minerals, deficient in calcium and iron and provided a 802% overdose of Vitamin A, putting at real risk our very young children. Instead of facing up to the problems, IsmailSabri has chosen to go on an inflammatory rant calling Pakatan Rakyat MPs, DAP and myself racists for allegedly being anti-Malay in our exposés. Ismail Sabri said on his Facebook and Twitter on Tuesday 15th November 2011 that :
TONY PHUA DAP ni masih tk habis2 menfitnah KRIM. kini dgn tuduhan tdk berkualiti. semlm isu ini tlh dijwb oleh Mydin & pembekal IKS. jelas agenda DAP yg ingin menguburkan KRIM yg rata2 supplier nya terdiri dari IKS bumiputra. Rata2 pembeli nya terdiri dari gol berpendapatan rendah bumiputra. Mydin pun bumiputra. malangnya ada bumiputra spt nurul izah & zulkifli ‘menyalak’ bagi pihak DAP.”
The racist accusations made by the Minister is not only completely baseless, it is the complete opposite of what the Pakatan Rakyat MPs are trying to achieve. By exposing the list of poor quality and illegal products which do not meet the minimum legal standards set out in the Food Act 1983 and Food Regulations 1985, it is Pakatan Rakyat that is truly fighting for the interest of the mostly Malay consumers at KR1M as well as other poor Malaysians.
If not for our exposés, many Malays and poor Malaysians will still be consuming poor quality oyster sauce, evaporated millk, ice-cream,sardines and fruit jam sold at KR1M. What is worse, if not for Pakatan Rakyat highlighting the shocking deficiencies of the 1Malaysia children’s milk powder which resulted in the product’s withdrawal yesterday, a whole generation of Malay and poor Malaysian children might end up suffering from malnutrition, disease and poor physical development. It is the BN Ministers like Ismail Sabri who are more than willing to sacrifice the interest of ordinary Malays and Malaysians by giving unsubstantiated “guarantees” on the quality of KR1M products and pander to the monetary and vested interest of certain businessmen. The fact that Ismail Sabri’s ministry is going to subsidize theKR1M stores to the tune of RM40 million in 2012 to sell some of these productsto ordinary Malaysians without first ensuring strict quality control over the products shows that BN Ministers are only keep [[[ *** typo or NLP – this should read keen? *** ]]] to score political goals with KR1M. They are not at all interested in the welfare of Malaysians, especially the Malays, who will suffer the most.
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3rd Force MPs Are The Real Heroes Fighting For The Interest Of Malays And Poor Malaysians By Exposing Nepotism and Globalist Collusion by DAP type parties.
3rd Force Coalition members of parliament have over the past 2 years exposed the fact that many of the MP’s selling themselves to Globalist/NWO/Illuminati purposes, were not only substandard, illegal and unhealthy, many of these MPs were also less cost efficient than policies made in other existing nations. We were criticised by family blocs within the Pakatan Coalition, as being unfair by comparing “propagandist to propagandist”, that is we should not be comparing Pakatan policies with policies from ethics and conflict of interest viewpoints.
However, we have proven that the comparison was indeed not “propagandist to propagandist” for products such as the “Limitless Terms Prevention For Better Democracy” because the term limit issue from 3rd Force contained consideration for democracy, the Pakatan policy had only 750K funerals and no prevention of Limitless Terms. At the same time, the comparison of Pakatan’s jobsworth-ism with that of 3rd Force demonstrated not only that the former is a far inferior coalition but also the fact that the latter was 124% less nepotistic.
The Pakatan jobsworth-ism was short of at least 15 legally required considerations (i.e. ethics, protections via separation of powers, prevention of nepotism, failed quorums, land grabs, abuse of power, sackings of part members dissenting of the ‘Family’) deficient in self-appraisal and conscientious address of APARTHEID and provided a 802% overdose of Vitamin M in the enriching or proxy contractors, putting at real risk, subverting our ‘Malaysian Spring’ into a self serving second UMNO style clique. Instead of facing up to the problems, Tony Pua has chosen to go on an inflammatory rant calling 3rd Force MPs, DAP and myself out of touch for allegedly being anti-progress in our exposés. Tony Pua effectively said on Malaymail (his Facebook and Twitter also?) on Tuesday 17th November 2011 that ‘DAP was doing a fine job.’
Well DAP has not and is a second UMNO in the making, has not addressed APARTHEID. The out-of-touch accusations made by Tony Pua is not only completely baseless, it is the complete opposite of what the 3rd Force MPs are trying to achieve. By exposing the list of poor quality and unconstitutional policies which do not meet the minimum legal standards in UN (such as not addressing APARTHEID and NEPOTISM), it is 3rd Force that is truly fighting for the interest of the mostly Malay voters as well as other poor Malaysians. If not for 3rd Force exposés, many Malays and globalist/hegemonist unaware Malaysians will still be accepting fifth columnist b.s. political coalitions, poor quality policies, nepotism, limitless terms, self serving 750K funeral-for-CM, 120K funeral for assemblyperson (CM’s wife) policies, and unkept promises such as no quorum Local Council Elections maintained at the taxpayer’s expense at Parliament.
What is worse, if not for 3rd Force highlighting the shocking deficiencies of Pakatan’s bad policies which resulted in the product’s withdrawal yesterday, a whole generation of Malay and poor Malaysian children might end up suffering from blocs of families passing MP and asasemblyperson seats to their children, enforcing Gambier Threat type laws than amending the same and poor ethical development among Pakatan type followers who do not address APARTHEID or other freedoms in the UNHCR. It is the PR runners like Tony Pua who are more than willing to sacrifice the interest of ordinary Malays and Malaysians by giving unsubstantiated “guarantees” on the quality of Pakatan policies and pander to their own monetary and vested interest (think land grabs) of their proxy businessmen.
The fact that Tony Pua’s party DAP is going to subsidize old folks (much like the way RM100 assistance for primary and secondary school students – institutionalized bribery and vote buying actually – voters, every 100 thy give you now will be extracted via taxes many times more in ‘revenge’ policies, vote them out foolish voters . . . haven’t you noticed that life gets harder every year? Same coalition in charge for 50+ years . . . or same 2 coalitions in charge in USA’s case :
;to the tune of (b)millions at tax payer’s expense to continue some of these abusive policies to ordinary Malaysians instead of first ensuring considerate amendments to make cost of living lower, shows that PR politicians are only keep to take over control-of-citizenry goals with Pakatan where they intend to replace UMNO-BN.
They are not at all interested in the welfare of Malaysians, especially the Malays and non-Christians (some Churches even run like family businesses, you can’t sell religion or monopolise it, the House of the Lord is not a building or a religious order, it’s in the spirit of interaction with others and the World, what happens here is parasitism off the uneducated or those who have sinned and suffer guilty consciences that leave them vulnerable to you-know-who-dohs), who will suffer the most fron rampant nepotism and ultimately an oligarchy of UMNO-like family members from the Lim/Karpal/Anwar dynasties nominally backed by Zionists if the Zionists in Israel manage to retain their grip on the USA.
Vote 3rd Force or at least the non-nepotist family blocs and term limitless types in Pakatan.

Hadi and Kit Siang to be DPMs when Pakatan wins, any problems with that? – by Melissa Lee – 20 November 2011

In Uncategorized on January 16, 2012 at 10:19 am
DAP chairman Karpal Singh reiterated that PAS president Hadi Awang and DAP adviser Lim Kit Siang would be the deputy prime ministers of Malaysia when the Pakatan Rakyat wrests control of the federal government. “Both of them are capable of bringing progressive development to the country,” Karpal told reporters on Saturday. His comments are not new but the BN media has been keen to stir up trouble among the 3 coalition members – PKR, PAS and DAP. Recently, DAP sec-gen Lim Guan Eng nipped in the bud further such talk by reiterating that Opposition Leader Anwar Ibrahim would still be prime minister even if the BN jailed him on manifestly fabricated sodomy and sex video charges.
The BN then turned its attention on the No. 2 post, hoping to create envy among PAS members and suspicion among the Malay voters with the news that Kit Siang – an ethnic Chinese – would get to sit in such a high post. Racist Umno unable to accept a non-Malay DPM The BN is notoriously racist in its conduct. Led by Malay nationalist party Umno, it has been accused of driving the economy to the ground with massive and widespread corruption at all levels, and using racial and religious politicking and bigotry to mask its financial moves. Despite talk of power-sharing, none of the non-Umno components have any say in the BN decision-making. A recent example is Gerakan president Koh Tsu Koon, who was forced to announce that he would not contest in the next general election, widely expected to be held soon. However, even that was not enough to appease Umno and former premier Mahathir Mohamad has already led the Umno call for Tsu Koon to give up the Gerakan presidency. It is believed that plans are afoot for Tsu Koon’s predecessor Lim Keng Yaik to make a return to national politics. However, Keng Yaik is widely known to be battling a serious illness. Malaysia Chronicle
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Yes. Theres a problem. These 2, (less so Hadi though) will keep the system in place to cynically take advantage (also deny freedom) of all Malaysians (Malays) at worst with the nepotism in DAP as bad as UMNO, or stagnate in a manner on issues as below mentioned.
Solution? Let ALL members of Pakatan political parties vote enmasse at a quorum of 66.6%. You’ll find Kit Siang and Hadi possibly at the bottom of the list (much like PKR’s 8% quorum in which Nurul and Azmin got to bve committee members in absence of a 66.6% quorum – can you say ‘kelam kabut’ – means slipshod  . . .), simply because they might be too old and irrelevant to the majority younger members who want issues that old folk can never reconcile to, and I am not merely referring to LGBT or Apostasy for Muslims alone which these 2 probably will not be able to handle much less END APARTHEID.
Any politician who cannot honestly address and grant the below 3 items :
1) Freedom from Apartheid/Fascism
2) Freedom from Religious-Persecution/Religious-Supremacy.
3) Equality for all ethnicities and faiths in all aspects of policy, Law and Constitution.
;does not deserve to be DPM, much less an MP. All things considered, if the winning coalition has the guts and sense of ethics, one DPM should be from the losing coalition or any other coalition as well. BN did not have this confidence and sportsmanship, Pakatan sure looks like it doesn’t have confidence or ethics either.
*** Commentary : This comment was removed by Malaysia Chronicle in less than 5 minutes. Apparently they cannot handle dissent. And we all know what that means for the Malay demographic in DAP constituencies, looks like there will be nary a Malay vote for DAP . . . as of late December 2011, comments were allowed again . . . a corrected lapse is better than no correction at all. Continue enjoying my comments at Malaysia Chronicle :

Ghani slams Pakatan’s ‘one-term millionaires’ – by Athi Shankar – 26th August 2011

In Uncategorized on January 16, 2012 at 10:13 am
The firebrand NGO leader says Umno leaders needed 50 years to land themselves in lavish homes, but Pakatan reps in Penang did it in three.
GEORGE TOWN: Umno leaders, according to Suara Anak-Anak Malaysia chairman Mohamed Ghani Abdul Jiman, took more than 50 years in power to purchase lavish homes. However, he said Pakatan Rakyat representatives were dwelling in luxury within three years of seizing control of Penang. These representatives, he added, lived in double and triple-storey bungalows as well as posh townhouses. “Umno politicians needed 50 over years to buy such houses but current elected representatives only needed one term to become millionaires. I have evidence to prove my allegations,” he said. After a long hiatus, the firebrand Ghani led several pro-Umno NGOs to stage their outine post-Friday prayers anti-Chief Minister Lim Guan Eng protest outside Masjid Jamek some 50m from Komtar this afternoon.
Unlike the last riot-like street demonstration against the state government on July 1, this time the protest was a tame affair with about 10 people taking part. Media representatives and police personnel at the scene outnumbered the protesters. Despite the poor turnout, the protesters however did not lose their sting when attacking Lim and his administration. ‘Jump off the Penang bridge or Komtar’ The demolition of Malay and Mamak-owned eatery outlets on the island was the main issue of their protest. “We wish Selamat Hari Raya to all victims of Lim’s brutal rule. The current state government only demolishes Malay and Indian shops, not Chinese shops. “I am not a racist. I only want a government which is fair to all,” said Ghani, who is also the vice-chairman of the Coalition of Islamic NGOs Penang. He urged Lim to step down if he could not return the items seized from the demolished outlets, including from his shop.
“If he can’t return my belongings, I will present him with a special gift soon,” warned Ghani, who also heads another unregistered NGO, Suara Anak-Anak Mamak Pulau Pinang. The protesters displayed three anti-state government banners and chanted anti-Lim slogans, where the chief minister was condemned as a “communist, coward and ‘pondan’ (transvestite)”. Shouting at the top of his voice, Ghani called on curious onlookers to reject Lim because “the Malaccan was not a Chinese but a communist.” He called on Lim to quit and go back to Malacca immediately and repeated similar calls on the chief minister’s political secretary Ng Wei Aik, who is also the Komtar assemblyman. Ghani also suggested that Lim jump down from either the Penang Bridge or the Komtar building to save Penang.
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Here’s something that would never make it’s way into the pro-Opposition media site articles or reporting. No problem on the above issues except that peaceful Communists are as viable a political party paradigm as any, and that the discrimination against ‘pondan’ merely shows the protesters’ narrow attitudes to the LGBT community. Also this group while highlighting serious problems with Pakatan is itself likely not a supporter of :
1) Freedom from Apartheid/Fascism
2) Freedom from Religious-Persecution/Religious-Supremacy.
3) Equality for all ethnicities and faiths in all aspects of policy, Law and Constitution.
;even though Mamaks themselves do not have equality yet! Ghani’s suggestion that LGE jump off the bridge or KOMTAR is ridiculously rhetorical and not valid at all in dignifying his supporters or even detracts from the destruction of stalls issue. Ghani should run for election instead and demand full Bumi Status for Mamaks, the same status that dr.Evil has that you somehow do not. One term millionaires though is a strong rallying factor, alongside the issue of limitless terms. LGE’s father LKS has beaten Mubarak and even dr. Evil here in years . . . Indian Muslims demand for bumiputra status!